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Maddog's New Hampshire "Unix" Plate Turns 20

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the like-a-1-letter-domain dept.

Unix 212

An anonymous reader writes "Local newspaper talks to Linux International's Jon 'maddog' Hall, who lives in New Hampshire, and who since 1989 has had a 'Live Free or Die' UNIX license plate — a real one, not a conference hand-out — on his Jeep. From the story: 'The day he installed the UNIX plates, he went early to work at DEC's office on Spit Brook Road in Nashua, to be sure to get the parking space right next to the door used by all the Unix engineers. He watched them come in and, one after another, do a double take at seeing the real-world version of the famous fake plate. "People would race in and yell, 'Who is it? Whose plate is it?!?'" Hall said. It was his then and it is his now. After 20 years, one suspects you will have to pry it from his cold, dead fingers.'"

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Say it with me.... (1)

derfy (172944) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988217)

Live Free ....or DIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

So much better than "Famous Potatos"

RIP Carlin.

Re:Say it with me.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988225)

Live Free ....or DIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

Me too...

Live free..... or DIE!

Anyone else?

Re:Say it with me.... (3, Interesting)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988883)

Free as in beer or free as in speech?

Hey, I've had HAL 9000 in Virginia for over 20 years. Nobody made a big deal over that one.

Re:Say it with me.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989031)

I am all for a reinvented Holocaust that, rather than killing jews, we round up thugs and put them out of our misery. The number one problem in the US and the world right now are thugs that believe acting like animals is the proper way to function in society. All they do is impregnant/get pregnant, wait for the welfare check, and cause meaningless acts of violence. I say if they really love reenacting 50 cent, lets put them on the receiving end of a bullet and see how much they like it. Thugs cause property damage, are harmful to quality of life, and put an undue burden on the state to support them. They are an eye sore of society and there should be a call to arms to take any and all thugs out. Being a thug transcends race, nationality, or color, it is a choice that needs to be crushed. No one should have to live in fear or be on high alert because a burden of the state decide he wants to have some fun and rob/rape/kill someone. Let's turn the tables on these animals and end them all. All those dead thugs will also be less people to contribute to our carbon foot print and more resources to people who actually need them. Imagine how many students would be able to get an education if there were more money freed up from having to feed, clothe, and house a useless thug. These belligerents of society need a new Holocaust to end their world forever, and only then will the world progress.

Very cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988247)

It is always nice to see a nerd plate. I've had TCPIP here in Oregon since the mid 90s, and I am surprised how often a fellow nerd notices.

Re:Very cool... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988357)

It is always nice to see a nerd plate

And in this instance, the story is quite interesting.

Armando P. Stettner (aps for you old folks) got the plat initially. Then in 1989 after aps moved on from DEC, Jon Hall got it.

How appropriate that the president of Linux International copies a Unix guy's smart idea. :)

Re:Very cool... (3, Interesting)

kevinl (38843) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988407)

There is a PERL-TK New Hampshire plate cruising about as well. That one registers especially high on the geek scale.

Re:Very cool... (4, Interesting)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988437)

I have a friend whose last name starts with P. His parents gave him and his brother the initials TCP and IP.

Re:Very cool... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988485)

What about their sister Ulva Daphne?

Re:Very cool... (5, Funny)

dotgain (630123) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988607)

Yeah, I don't remember quite having the same connection with her.

Re:Very cool... (4, Funny)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988765)

All give, no take?

Re:Very cool... (5, Funny)

Nethead (1563) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989351)

Unreliable.

Re:Very cool... (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989051)

A few years ago, I was out getting some lunch and saw a car with the California plate 31337. I didn't have time to stick around and find out who it was, unfortunately. I really wish I had now.

Re:Very cool... (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989221)

At my college one of the guys in Admissions has the plate "1337"

Most don't understand the license plate motto (1, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988275)

Don't be fooled by this deceptive motto! In New Hampshire, the Motto "Live Free or Die" actually means: "Do exactly what the government tells you and you will remain free to continue obeying us; if you don't you just might wake up dead son." I know. I lived there long enough to have the "pleasure" ...

Also, it should be: "Live for a Fee: UNIX" Obviously Linux (or GNU/Linux if it wasn't too long to fit) belongs in place of UNIX, but to Maddog's defense Linux hadn't been conceived when he got the plate.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (5, Insightful)

evilned1 (778186) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988489)

Uh huh. I gather you aren't from these parts. Might I suggest you google Article 10 of the NH state constitution? Very interesting read and is occasionally brought to the attention of the Pols here.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (5, Informative)

virtualXTC (609488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988545)

For those that are too lazy to look it up: Article 10 [wikipedia.org]

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

knappe duivel (914316) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988621)

How about those too lazy to follow your link?

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988703)

They wouldn't have gotten this far, as they would have needed to already click at least one link to get here.

Of course, they could just need to rest their finger for a couple of minutes, and then it'll be good for another few clicks.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988969)

They wouldn't have gotten this far

Yes I did, you insensitive clod!

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (-1, Flamebait)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988549)

I'm from Massachusetts, but I lived in NH for a long enough period of time to know that what I said is true. Claiming that it isn't because something is written in a constitution is like serving shit pudding and telling people that the ingredients clearly list a set of ingredients that do not include shit. It still tastes horrible. It is still shit. Acts, not words.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988579)

As a long time MA resident, I find it's still better than MA... do you not agree? If you disagree, I'm honestly curious to know why.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (0, Flamebait)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988613)

They are both Police States. Each has its pros and cons. Both are definitely better than Florida in this regard, but between the two, I think it is a matter of where you live in each State, and what particular freedoms you wish to exercise that you will be imprisoned for exercising.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988873)

I notice you stop short of telling us what rights you don't have in those states and what it was you wanted to do in your own life that was restricted.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988961)

That is some incredible power of observation you have at your disposal.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (2, Insightful)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989155)

I would like more specifics, though I'm not going to be a tool asking you.

In MA:

(1) Gun laws are ridiculous. Not worst in the nation IMO, but certainly in the bottom five. You want that Kimber .45 that is fully parts-interchangeable with the Para 1911? Sorry; those aren't approved for sale here! You want to remove that front sight from your Bushmaster and replace it with an aftermarket gas block with a flip-up front sight? Sorry; you have a pinned muzzle brake, because for some reason threaded muzzles are too dangerous! Dumbasses.

(2) Housing is way too expensive, mostly because of local zoning ordinances that restrict the density of housing. I'd love to live within a walk or a 10-15 minute T ride from where I work, for instance, but I'm not going to pay $500K for a 1400 square foot condo: it just ain't gonna happen. And there's no reason for it to be that way except for the artificial scarcity of housing within the Cambridge/Somerville/Boston/Arlington city limits.

(3) Local government is openly corrupt. Virtually every politically-connected demographicâ"the unions, the politicians, cops, large corporations, and many of the rich local property ownersâ"colludes to transfer wealth from everyone else to themselves. Taxes don't primarily go toward public goods and common services. My total tax burden is roughly 50% than it would be were I living in NH, and yet the roads in MA (for instance) are absolute shite. I've already had to replace one $500 rim from striking a huge pothole at night this year. While it's perfectly rational that things would work this way under a democracy, there's no excuse for it when there's so much waste, fraud, and pork to remove from the budget.

(4) 12% short term capital gains tax. OMFG. That alone cost me a huge amount of money over the past two years.

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

The downsides to NH from friends seem to be (a) the state-owned liquor stores have a generally poor selection, though they can order what you want; (b) getting zoning approval for houses outside of established neighborhoods is a PITA because they require you to upgrade the road if it isn't class V or better; (c) property taxes are generally higher than in MA. In return, they get a part-time legislature; generally more responsive local government; less local- and state-level corruption; less sprawl and more natural areas; better roads; and lower overall taxes.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988633)

... Obviously Linux (or GNU/Linux if it wasn't too long to fit) belongs in place of UNIX, but to Maddog's defense Linux hadn't been conceived when he got the plate.

No, GNU's not Unix [gnu.org] .

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (5, Informative)

Mr680x0 (1116783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988719)

(or GNU/Linux if it wasn't too long to fit)

The most you can have is 7 letters on NH plates.

Re:Most don't understand the license plate motto (1)

seeker6182000 (798046) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988867)

I couldn't more strongly disagree with your assessment of NH government after having lived there for 21 years. Perhaps you didn't want to participate in your local government, or maybe you had lived in the border area that has been heavily influenced by migrants from the Republic of Massachusetts.

Let's see how long he can keep it. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988297)

It's little known in the nerd community that "unix" has also negative conotations for example in certain ghettos in california an unix is a one-legged chinese hooker.
I wonder how long it takes until someone is offended.

Re:Let's see how long he can keep it. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988457)

It's little known in the nerd community that "unix" has also negative conotations for example in certain ghettos in california an unix is a one-legged chinese hooker.

Call me sceptical, but this is remiscent of the bullshit entries near the bottom of the list on Urban Dictionary (3 thumbs up from the submitter and friends, 10 thumbs down from everyone else who stumbled across that piece of nonsense).

Shame they claim to reject insider jokes (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989113)

So tempting...

Re:Let's see how long he can keep it. (5, Funny)

JerkBoB (7130) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989187)

a one-legged chinese hooker.

... named Irene?

Re:Let's see how long he can keep it. (4, Funny)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989295)

Eunuchs?

I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988333)

I saw a chick driving a car with a Connecticut LINUX plate in Danbury. I just about divorced my wife right then and there. :)

Re:I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988405)

Yeah that happened to me too! But before you could do that your mom woke you up, right? ;)

Re:I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988469)

husband's car?

Re:I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (2, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988665)

You almost left your wife for a hard-core cleaning lady [samanathon.com] ???

Damn, dude, time for some marital counseling.

Re:I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988895)

Blast! Looks like I'll have to move to a different state then.

Re:I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (0)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988917)

I would be she's married and that's her husband's car.

Re:I've seen a LINUX plate in Danbury, CT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989275)

Your wife was very upset that it didn't work. Another day.

Exactly how many are there...? (3, Funny)

macraig (621737) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988377)

From TOFA:

"The combination of "Live Free or Die" and "UNIX" on his Jeep Wrangler is the most celebrated New Hampshire license plate in the entire world!"

Exactly how many are there?

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988439)

We here in Sweden celebrate New Hampshire license plates all the time. And this one is certainly the most celebrated here, without a doubt. I mean.. Why wouldn't we celebrate a license plate from New Hampshire? It would be silly not to really.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (5, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988523)

Ah yes, the famous Swedish Hampplattrsdag! I understand you even have a crispbread shaped like the plate.

Here in the UK we named a county 'Hampshire' in honour. I have the misfortune to live 'next door' in West Sussex, but I am considering moving.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (1)

dezent (952982) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988553)

The famous Swedish WHAT ? "Hampplattrsdag" is not a word or name i ever heard.. du kanske stavar som en kratta ?

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988623)

WHOOOOOOOSH

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988725)

And there is a breed of pig that's called Hampshire, probably because it originated there!

But anyway - I agree that having the real deal license plate scores a lot higher on the list than the conference handout plates.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988777)

Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?

See the løveli lakes

The wonderful telephøne system

And mani interesting furry animals

Mød parent døwn (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989025)

And mani interesting furry animals

Not funny. A møøse one bit my sister :(

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (1)

Trailwalker (648636) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988443)

The remaining plates are variations on the word "COLD".

In N.H., there are two seasons. Winter and tourist. Thanks to skiing, they now overlap considerably.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (4, Funny)

nebaz (453974) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988509)

Live, Freeze, and Die.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (5, Funny)

Bysshe (1330263) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988571)

That was the windows version.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (1)

Mr680x0 (1116783) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988711)

Live, Freeze, and Die.

Except I was sweating my ass off the other day up here in NH.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (3, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988741)

Considering that it for tax reasons isn't feasible to do farming in NH there has to be some kind of income.

One thing that's attractive with NH is that the sales tax is extremely low. That has a tendency to attract visitors.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (4, Interesting)

virtualXTC (609488) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988585)

Well considering NH has the highest number of vanity plates per capita, I'd say, quite a few. I personally like the Linux and BSD license plates better, though those from NH would probably agree IH8RT3 is also in the top tier.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (3, Interesting)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988791)

RT3 isn't that bad, that's one of the major routes to/from NH (just select direction after preference! :-) )

The worst thing I can think of when it comes to NH is the lousy GSM coverage when you get outside the main routes. New Boston lacks coverage, even though that's a really nice place otherwise. (At least it did last summer...)

And yes - I'm one of those lousy tourists pestering NH sometimes... Visiting from Sweden.

As for vanity plates - that's the headache of the owner if he's willing to pay for it. And from what I have found out the people in NH has a certain attitude that makes them willing to make a statement - like using vanity plates. Maybe the "Free" in the slogan is taken much as freedom of speech.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (4, Informative)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988911)

Plates with "H8" in them referred to as "hate plates" have been banned in the state, there was a big to-do about it a number of years ago when they started revoking plates with that in them.

FWIW I live in NH and all of my cars have vanity plates. Though only one of them is nerdy [solid-orange.com] .

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (0)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989137)

I'm gonna apply for "IMGNBWLFCLSTR"

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (1)

borroff (267566) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989285)

I still remember John Kemeny's "BASIC" plate from when he was the president of Dartmouth College.

Re:Exactly how many are there...? (1)

Nethead (1563) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989299)

Three. ECF-986 and XDT-677 aren't so well known.

Cool Plate -- Had Mine Sometime Before That (1)

joelsherrill (132624) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988449)

It spent years on the front of a 1987 Mazda 626 I bought new. I don't remember when I got it but it had to be before 1989. When I noticed the plate was getting rusty, I took it off and hung it in my office.

Re:Cool Plate -- Had Mine Sometime Before That (2, Funny)

Paracelcus (151056) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988493)

I can never remember my license plate numbers, so I have UNIX and Linux bumper stickers right next to them.

Oh yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988455)

Live free or die? Make me!

I've seen that plate (5, Interesting)

evilned1 (778186) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988473)

I live near Spitbrook and I've seen that plate around the area for years. I've never known the story behind it though.

BeOS on Quebec Plate (4, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988483)

" Je me souviens."

Re:BeOS on Quebec Plate (4, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988789)

I am soup?

Re:BeOS on Quebec Plate (4, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988821)

Pas de soupe pour vous!

Re:BeOS on Quebec Plate (2, Informative)

Tolkien (664315) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989059)

"I remember."

Re:BeOS on Quebec Plate (1)

rah1420 (234198) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989287)

That's funny, given the way that the Quebec drivers whip their cars around when I see them in traffic here in the US, I thought that the translation was "Drive like a dickhead."

But I never was very good at foreign languages.

Re:BeOS on Quebec Plate (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989289)

That's obscene.

Impressive, but... (1)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988495)

Impressive, but can you install UNIX on it?

UNIX ain't nothin' (4, Interesting)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988513)

My late father had "RS 232" as his license plate on his PT Cruiser. It's not as cool and hard-to-get as UNIX, I suppose, but considering recent popularity of UNIX derivatives in general it's certainly more obscure in the geek crowd.

Re:UNIX ain't nothin' (1)

Nethead (1563) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989323)

At one telco-hotel that I worked at (Westin Bld, Seattle) someone in the parking garage had the plate of UID 0.

Got root?

Taxation without Representation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988527)

Microsoft?

NHLUG (3, Informative)

cyberbill79 (1268994) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988559)

I had the great opportunity many years ago to meet Maddog at a NHLUG meeting. Very awesome and knowledgeable man.
Much respect.
-cb

It was Armando's plate (4, Informative)

btempleton (149110) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988597)

The summary made me do a double-take, and if you RTFA you will see the summary is wrong. The real plate isn't based on the fake plates. The fake plates were a copy of Armando's plate long ago, he made them himself. When Armando left New Hampshire, maddog apparently took over the plate.

I have one of the fake plates from Usenix, when Armando had dec make them.

Re:It was Armando's plate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989213)

Aha! So there's the proof that Linux copied Unix! Don't let SCO know.

"Live Free or Die" (2, Funny)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988627)

I don't believe the latter is optional.

Re:"Live Free or Die" (3, Informative)

srussia (884021) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988701)

"Live Free XNOR Die" then.

Re:"Live Free or Die" (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988805)

Some people put too much emphasis on the dying part.

You can live on and fight another day or die without accomplishing anything.

Re:"Live Free or Die" (2, Informative)

seeker6182000 (798046) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988897)

It may not be, and that is the whole point. Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils. -- Gen John Stark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die [wikipedia.org]

Re:"Live Free or Die" (1)

hot soldering iron (800102) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988981)

Maybe not, but like I tell my friends, "I'm going to live forever, or die trying."

I will, too.

20 years? (2, Insightful)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988681)

Man, I can't imagine living 20 years in one state.

Re:20 years? (1)

oracleofbargth (16602) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988997)

Man, I can't imagine living 20 years in one state.

Not even the state of Inebriation?

Too Bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988827)

Too bad Ontario's license plates don't read "Loyal We Began and Loyal We Remain" anymore. That would make a great Windows one in the future... :) What is also too bad is that Quebec's doesn't say "Screw You" more explicitly. "MICROSOFT : Je me souviens" doesn't cut it.

I've had the Maine "Linux" plate for over 11 years (1)

TransWebT (604758) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988859)

I've been a Linux fan since late 1992 when I could download the whole thing to a couple of high-density floppy disks (which I still have). Anyone remember the "SLS" distro? A co-worker pointed me to a Maine DMV site in the late '90s where you could check for available plates. Someone already had the "generic" Maine LINUX plate, but I was able to register "LINUX" with the conservation version of the plate. I've had it ever since. My family and I may move down south next year - anyone in Maine interested in getting a call at the exact moment I register the vehicle in another state (thereby indicating that the Maine plate I've been hogging is available)? :-)

Re:I've had the Maine "Linux" plate for over 11 ye (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989017)

I've been a Linux fan since late 1992 when I could download the whole thing to a couple of high-density floppy disks (which I still have).

You still can, if you choose a similarly small distro.

What a wuss! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988887)

MY license plate says: /dev/car

Which makes me the device driver!

NO. NOT NOW. NOT EVER. I'M COMING FOR ALL OF YOU! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988909)

The article summary leaves out the best part. DEC had its own competitive operating system, called VMS and made the Unix people (rightfully) live in the shadow of it.

VMS was truly an awesome operating system. It had the kind of command line interpreter (shell) that you could turn a secretary loose on (1000x easier and more powerful than DOS), but it could be frustrating for anyone familiar with Unix to deal with and for DEC, which invented multi-tasking, Ethernet, clustering, distributed file systems and a lot of other stuff, TCP/IP was a total after-thought, never mind that the first commercially available Ethernet controllers on the VAX ran XNS/ITP (not DECnet), a fore-runner of TCP/IP. The reason for this was that DEC was in the process of migrating $15bn/yr worth of high-end customers from DECnet to the newly created industry failure called OSI. Nobody expected TCP/IP to be more than a stop-gap until some SOB created the PPP protocol enabling asynchronous dial-up connections to handle TCP/IP traffic thus condemning the world to the Hell we have to day (without distance based pricing of async X.25/aka X.PC, viruses, spam, hackers troll the universe proclaiming how genius they are for being able to crack the very foundation of the Internet, TCP/IP itself, when the reality is that all those holes in TCP/IP were very well known and understood but were largely irrelevant when the only peers on the Net were businesses and universities --extending it to people's homes over X.PC (or even UUCP) was an extraordinarily Bad thing that happened right underneath our government and press RADAR). Roll the clock forward 10 years and you get a kid living in the shadow of Communist Russia running around with his copy of Andy's Minix book, he downloads some free crap from a long-time Communist who had been holed up on an academic payroll in Massachusetts rallying against DEC (not Microsoft) which sold the incredibly expensive (but incredibly awesome) VMS and it's layered products which he couldn't get funding for and, well, the rest is history --including the US economy. The little side-plot of Bill Gates hiring away the VMS A-Team and creating NT while ripping off the Apple GUI which was ripped off from Xerox PaARC ..and the rise of PCs/Macs, collapsing DEC and costing us 25 years to get back to essentially what the DEC GiGi was in 1982 are of little concern now. SUN (which had to file bankruptcy to reinvent itself to compete against the VAX) is gone now (part of ORACLE, which will be gone soon). Apple is just about history (have you pre-ordered your Pre yet?) Windows is going supernova and Linux is being pinned down --turned into a runtime environment that runs under Hypervisors on timesharing (excuse me, I meant "cloud") infrastructure (LOL), and as a base for running WebKit on embedded platforms. Exactly as it should be. How they are going to deal with an entire generation (and a big friggin generation at that) full of kids who grew up in the menagerie between DEC GiGi/VAX in 1982 and where we will be in 2010, I do not know. I hope they at least have the good sense to abandon .NET and J2EE while they are still young enough to retrain in JavaScript-based web-frameworks and parallel (excuse me, I mean "multi core") Linux application development.

Let me be the first to say (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27988933)

Timothy, stick to Idle. Please.

Nevada UNIXOS (1)

yumyum (168683) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988935)

At American Express in Phoenix, I worked with someone that had Nevada UNIXOS. Jim, you still around?

Jim, you still around ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989231)

No.

wtf (1)

gmagill (105538) | more than 5 years ago | (#27988979)

Still trying to parse this line of code:

"This is the vital point: Bell Labs was the pure-research division of AT&T, which as a regulated utility gave its computer researchers free rein out of fears about regulators looking askance at a telecommunications firm dabbling in other areas."

That... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989011)

After 20 years, one suspects you will have to pry it from his cold, dead fingers.

That can be arranged...

Nerd numbers unite...! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989035)

http://gallery.me.com/gordonsclyne#100021

my favorite XMT RCV..... for all you serial lovers out there.

My own favorite NH plate... (1)

5pp000 (873881) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989041)

... in fact, one of my favorites ever, said:

+ZEUS-

While it's not 100% clear, I've always read this as "powered by Zeus" (as if Zeus were a battery).

staple? (1)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989165)

... fake New Hampshire license plates naming Unix or its various flavors, including Linux, are a staple of the computing industry.

I don't think that author understands the meaning of staple.

Re:staple? (4, Funny)

ciderVisor (1318765) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989259)

I don't think that author understands the meaning of staple.

Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler...

Went to work early? (5, Funny)

MrDelSarto (95771) | more than 5 years ago | (#27989243)

To beat a bunch of UNIX engineers? I guess he got in at about 10.30am

VOID PTR is my license plate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27989395)

I pick up young males with it. That wasn't my intent, but hindsight is 20/20, isn't it?

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