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Sophos Releases Klingon Language Version

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the a-for-effort dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 94

Bantu1 writes to mention an attention grab by anti-virus company Sophos, which is now offering a Klingon language version of their popular anti-virus software. Now Qo'nos too can be completely safe from the storm. If only we could see a Sophos logo in the next Paramount endeavor, the cycle would be complete.

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May I be the first to say... (3, Insightful)

Akido37 (1473009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28002999)

wtf?

Re:May I be the first to say... (4, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003129)

I'm about to commit a cardinal sin of slashdot, but I don't care.

Bring back idle

At least when all this worthless, not even funny 'news' was on idle, I could filter it out of my front page. Now it's in every category: news, entertainment, IT... Just put it in the corner somewhere so that those of us that don't want it don't have to see it.

Re:May I be the first to say... (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003403)

Bring back idle

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Oh, and it didn't go anywhere [slashdot.org] . It's still sitting behind the scenes, watching, waiting, getting ready to threaten our intelligence and very existence!

As for this story however, it is actually "News for Nerds". Even if it doesn't matter.

Re:May I be the first to say... (0, Flamebait)

SlashWombat (1227578) | more than 5 years ago | (#28008943)

Only nerds with a low IQ ... It really is insulting to the rest of the nerds.

This is akin to the religious freaks that speak in tongues.

Re:May I be the first to say... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004207)

Totally agree. Idle was bad, but at least you could turn it off. Please take these things off the front page and put them back somewhere they should be, like idle or digg.

Re:May I be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28004225)

Saphos erotica? [homer simpson]Oh....sOphos...[/homer simpson]

Re:May I be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28008379)

I'm about to commit a cardinal sin of slashdot, but I don't care.

Bring back idle

At least when all this worthless, not even funny 'news' was on idle, I could filter it out of my front page. Now it's in every category: news, entertainment, IT... Just put it in the corner somewhere so that those of us that don't want it don't have to see it.

You don't have to read it but you chose to do so so you can whine. Just like me reading your meaningless post. Grow up.

Klingon software is *NOT* released... (2, Interesting)

mangu (126918) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003325)

... it *escapes* [taragana.com] leaving a bloody trail...

Re:May I be the first to say... (2, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003681)

wtf?

Advertisement. And it worked!

Re:May I be the first to say... (2, Insightful)

nametaken (610866) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004915)

"$Header: index.html,v 1.2 2009/05/08 14:53:14 james Web page status: Draft 0.8. Req action: Mktg to review wording and imagery (better screenshots required etc..), and QA to check links. Expected launch date: July 2009. Software status: Ready. $"

Except oddly, it looks like this is a leak.

Re:May I be the first to say... (1)

lateral (523650) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004437)

wtf?

Score:3, Wordsmith.

L.

Re:May I be the first to say... May *I* say: (2, Insightful)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004495)

KAM CHE CHAMI CHEK!

Picard: KAM CHE CHAMI CHEK!

Gowron (smiling): You swear WELL in Klingon, Picard....

Re:May I be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28022119)

Um. Privately held company? 'nuff said?

Tribbles!!! (3, Informative)

Raistlin77 (754120) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003005)

"Use Sophos's Klingon Anti-Virus to quickly perform an on-demand scan and find viruses, spyware, adware, zero-day threats, Betazoid sub-ether porn diallers and Tribbles that your existing protection might have missed. The software can be run without deactivating your current anti-virus software. Phasers can be left set to stun."

Haha!

Re:Tribbles!!! (1)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003095)

Here I was thinking that tribbles would be fairly evident in the presence of a klingon and wouldn't require a scan to find.

Re:Tribbles!!! (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004509)

"Use Sophos's Klingon Anti-Virus to quickly perform an on-demand scan and find... Tribbles that your existing protection might have missed.

I breed my own Glommers to keep my home Tribble-free.

Re:Tribbles!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28009669)

Phasers can be left set to stun."

Haha!

What self-respecting Klingon has a stun setting let alone uses it?

Klingon weapon settings tend to look like the following:

( ) Kill
(X) Kill (+Agony)
( ) Kill (+Agony +Giblets)

Klingon Linux distro (3, Interesting)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003019)

I would've thought the first major software with Klingon support would've been a Linux distro.

Or is there already such a thing...?

Re:Klingon Linux distro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28003067)

Gentoo.

Re:Klingon Linux distro (3, Informative)

Raistlin77 (754120) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003071)

See http://www.lanana.org/docs/unicode/unicode.txt [lanana.org] - scroll down to "Klingon language support"...

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 5 years ago | (#28005825)

See http://www.lanana.org/docs/unicode/unicode.txt [lanana.org] - scroll down to "Klingon language support"...

Alas, Klingon did not make it into the Unicode script - it was proposed (and there's a copy of the proposal to give it Unicode codepoints for it), but in the end, it didn't get approved...

I'm not sure what's at those codepoints that were proposed, but maybe if enough people just start using them, we can unofficially make it part of a extended Unicode standard?

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006429)

'm not sure what's at those codepoints that were proposed, but maybe if enough people just start using them, we can unofficially make it part of a extended Unicode standard?

No, that's the wrong approach. Creating a conflict with Unicode Consortium decisions will just be inconvenient for people and make the Consortium mad. The right approach is to encode Klingon in the Private Use Area. This has already been done. The encoding is registered at the Conscript Registry [evertype.com] . The Klingon range is F8D0-F8FF [evertype.com] . James Kass's Code2000 [code2000.net] font includes Klingon glyphs using the Conscript codepoint assignments.

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

Vandilizer (201798) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003091)

Well yes, of course

Ubuntu 8.10, you can get it here:
http://klingbuntu.wizage.net/

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003323)

Well yes, of course

Ubuntu 8.10, you can get it here:
http://klingbuntu.wizage.net/ [wizage.net]

[facepalm]

Re:Klingon Linux distro (4, Funny)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003817)

This isn't really in Klingon, though, is it? It just 'brings together some of the best in Klingon art, music and applications'...

That's all well and good, but without the language, etc, would any true Klingon actually use it?

THIS is why Linux isn't ready for the Klingon Desktop...

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

eggfoolr (999317) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003437)

Why would the Klingons use such a geeky OS as Linux? I'm pretty sure they're using the more warrior like operating environment, IBM System 3.

Why they need anti-virus for M$, I have no idea. Maybe it's integrated in their transporter?

Re:Klingon Linux distro (3, Funny)

realnrh (1298639) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006147)

Klingons have a fondness for Windows because they hear it has lots of COM-BAT files.

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004113)

I would've thought the first major software with Klingon support would've been a Linux distro.

"The kill button takes up most of the screen!"

Re:Klingon Linux distro (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004513)

Been there done that, if you look at the Languages menu in Mac OS X, you will find " tlhIngan Hol"

Also, there is a package [ubuntu.com] for Ubuntu.

Ahem. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28003037)

What pitiful Klingon would need anti-virus protection? A true warrior relishes at the opportunity to die the perfect death at the hands of Canadian Pharmacy pop-ups.

Where can I find this dishonored warrior?

Re:Ahem. (3, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003747)

Klingon reaction to virus: "Perhaps today IS a good day to have Conficker wipe out all my files!"

Re:Ahem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28010273)

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANFICKER!

Hmmm.... (1)

robinsonne (952701) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003047)

I must have missed that memo in the latest newsletter they send me every other day.

Klingon's use Windows (1)

MacColossus (932054) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003081)

Should be be happy or offended that Sophos assumes Klingons use Windows and not Linux or Mac OS X?

Re:Klingon's use Windows (1)

robinsonne (952701) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003103)

Sophos has a MAC OSX version of their software or did I just whoosh myself?

Re:Klingon's use Windows (1)

MacColossus (932054) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003271)

They do have a Mac and Linux version, but the Klingon version is only available for Windows according to their site.

Re:Klingon's use Windows (3, Funny)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003203)

Klingons don't use WIMP interfaces.

A real warrior carves bits onto his harddrive with the tip of his Bat`leth.

Re:Klingon's use Windows (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006809)

I doubt they WINE much about it either.

Re:Klingon's use Windows (2, Funny)

auric_dude (610172) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003257)

No, Window's clings on despite our best efforts to flush it away.

Re:Klingon's use Windows (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003351)

"Today is a good day to crash!"

Re:Klingon's use Windows (2, Funny)

powerlord (28156) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006057)

A real warrior does not use Operating Systems that coddle you like OSX.

A real warrior does not hide behind the security of a Linux install.

A real warrior relishes the eternal battle between himself, his operating system and those that would cunningly infect your system.

Windows is obviously the only choice for honorable combat.

uu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28003157)

.uu mi badri [lojban.org]

Heard in the HQ (4, Interesting)

Randseed (132501) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003205)

"This virus has no honor! You dishonorable top'aQ! Defend yourself!"

Re:Heard in the HQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28003501)

The notion that any self-respecting Klingon would use an antivirus program is preposterous. What Klingon wouldn't love to battle with anything?

Re:Heard in the HQ (1)

princessproton (1362559) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003523)

When a virus is successfully detected and eliminated the alert is a hearty "Q'apla!".

as long as.. (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003249)

as long as there are no rights of ascension or duels to the death involved (though I'd love to see a bat'leth fight....more over...just love to say the word "bat'leth").

u know...maybe that's why there are lots of viruses out in the world....if there were Klingons who would slay you if you were to write a virus and it f's up their computers...well...that should be the best deterrent if any.
just imagine the thought of a bat'leth gutting them would discourage a lot of virus writers (at least the scriptkiddies anyways)

bet there are no viruses in Sto-vo-kor.

I almost feel sorry for them.... (1)

nrasch (303043) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003557)

I almost feel sorry for them....

With all the 'your using our IP' cry baby-ness going on, I'm sure lawyers will be sending them take down requests in droves.

There is at least one story every day on ./ about some corporation whining and threatening about things like this. :(

Maybe that is why they didn't fully finish the page.... ;P :Quote:
Why did we translate it into Klingon?
  Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Duis consequat odio vel risus fermentum at hendrerit sapien malesuada. :End Quote:

Why? (3, Insightful)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003629)

From the webpage:

Why did we translate it into Klingon?
<Need some blurb here> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Duis consequat odio vel risus fermentum at hendrerit sapien malesuada. </end blurb>

I'm guessing that's Klingon for 'God fucking knows'.

Re:Why? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003779)

Why did we translate it into Klingon?

Fortunately, there is a musical answer to that question: here [youtube.com]

Re:Why? (1)

j_ham3 (917669) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004091)

Also, did you notice the header? The web page isn't finished.

$Header: index.html,v 1.2 2009/05/08 14:53:14 james Web page status: Draft 0.8. Req action: Mktg to review wording and imagery (better screenshots required etc..), and QA to check links. Expected launch datehttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/18/2018218#: July 2009. Software status: Ready. $

I guess (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004595)

They figured it'd be a better use of their time than, you know, actually writing a virus scanning engine that doesn't suck and take half your CPU.

Re:I guess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28004677)

Wow. So the best use of your time is criticising Sophos Klingon nerds who actually did something in a back-water discussion between other Klingon nerds? Dude, you rock.

Re:Why? (1)

Trecares (416205) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004647)

That's not Klingon. It looks like Latin. Plugged it into a online translator, but only got a partial translation.

Trecares

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

princessproton (1362559) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004687)

It looks similar to Latin, but actually it's just frequently used nonsense placeholder text [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28004825)

It's not supposed to be Klingon, it's lorem ipsum [lipsum.com] . It means they haven't finished the page. The download is in Klingon. I think. Pretty sure it's not Lorem Ipsum anyway.

Good Grief. (0, Troll)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003639)

Honestly, anti-virus and Web security in general is no joking matter. The days where you hired the goofy Trekie kid who hacked your system to do your security are long gone. Can these people be trusted to be on the ball while they are dinking around with porting their software to an imaginary Sci-Fi "language"? Not for my company.

Well motivated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28003723)

from the link:

Why did we translate it into Klingon?
<Need some blurb here> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Duis consequat odio vel risus fermentum at hendrerit sapien malesuada. </end blurb>

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28003727)

"Klingon software is not 'released.' It escapes, leaving a bloody trail of developers and QA testers in its wake!"

(No, I don't remember where I heard that from.)

Why am I so ashamed? (4, Funny)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003777)

Betazoid sub-ether porn diallers

Why am I so ashamed - to admit that this sounds pretty hot?

Re:Why am I so ashamed? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006087)

New from the Alpha Quadrant:

Betazoids Gone Wild!!!!

Just what goes on at those Betazoid Weddings?

We bring the cameras and you get to see!

Its like you're actually participating in the joining ceremony and seeing just WHAT all the fuss is about!

If you like the holo-recording do nothing, and another installment will appear on your PAD next month, cancel at any time.

Betazoids Gone WILD!!!

Act now and reserve for your free copy of: "When Founders Attack!" Newly recorded in the Gamma Quadrant!

Re:Why am I so ashamed? (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006509)

Betazoid sub-ether porn diallers

Why am I so ashamed - to admit that this sounds pretty hot?

should i be ashamed or proud that the first thing it brought to my mind was "that's a continuity error--sub-ether is hitchhiker's guide technobabble!"?

Re:Why am I so ashamed? (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 5 years ago | (#28007339)

No, it's not "sub-ether", it's "sub-etha". Jeez, if you're going to nerd out about something, at least be correct about it. Kind of defeats the purpose of nerdiness otherwise.

Re:Why am I so ashamed? (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 5 years ago | (#28007445)

i always took that to be the brand name, and something of a play on non-rhotic [wikipedia.org] english accents.

Paramount? (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003793)

Can't Paramount sue them for the money they will make off of the four copies they sell (plus damages)?

Re:Paramount? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28033527)

What rights would you say Sophos is infringing on with the Klingon language "localization" of their antivirus software? I'll grant that the web page text is rife with trademarked terms, but the software itself seems to be a straightforward translation of their Windows program.

Oh crap! (3, Funny)

KneelBeforeZod (1527235) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003845)

We've DECLOAKED!!! If only we had used anti-virus software. Noooooo!!! *kaboom*

Re:Oh crap! (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004135)

What -- a Non-Screen Of Death?

ERROR (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003879)


ERROR: maximum geekativity threshold reached. Product STOPPED.

Nothing wrong with this (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 5 years ago | (#28003999)

Google search has an interface in:

Elmer Fudd (Google seawch for those wascaly wabbits)

Hacker (aka 13375p34k)

Klingon

Bork Bork Bork (I don't even know what that is)

Re:Nothing wrong with this (2, Informative)

russlar (1122455) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004079)

Bork Bork Bork (I don't even know what that is)

Sweedish Chef [wikipedia.org] , from the Muppet Show.

leaked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28004087)

Did no one notice this little header at the top of the page:

$Header: index.html,v 1.2 2009/05/08 14:53:14 james Web page status: Draft 0.8. Req action: Mktg to review wording and imagery (better screenshots required etc..), and QA to check links. Expected launch date: July 2009. Software status: Ready. $

Who reported this link? A Sophos employee?

Great business move (5, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004147)

Bantu1 writes to mention an attention grab by anti-virus company Sophos who is now offering a Klingon language version of their popular anti-virus software.

First time I've seen an anti-virus company release a birth control product!

Re:Great business move (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004715)

Babies: the worst infection out there.

klingon? (1)

gintoki (1439845) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004333)

I am not joking when i say this. Until about a year ago I actually thought that klingon was some programming language. Only learned what it was when I heard people talk about the star trek film and mentioned the word. Asked them what it was and boy was I surprised. I really felt like a an idiot.

Re:klingon? (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 5 years ago | (#28005147)

I presume that you have handed in your slashdot account resignation?

Re:klingon? (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 5 years ago | (#28007635)

No, you're thinking of Var'aq [esolangs.org] .

Re:klingon? (1)

gintoki (1439845) | more than 5 years ago | (#28008859)

That might have been the root of the confusion. But I don't think that I have ever heard of Var'aq. Now more to the point...are you serious? There is actually a programming language that works with a fake made up language?

Re:klingon? (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 5 years ago | (#28041229)

Browse some more at esolangs.org, and just imagine the pointless creativity has some sane, rational basis even though it doesn't.

Re:klingon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28013785)

I am not joking when i say this. Until about a year ago I actually thought that klingon was some programming language. Only learned what it was when I heard people talk about the star trek film and mentioned the word. Asked them what it was and boy was I surprised. I really felt like a an idiot.

Ahahahahahaha!

You are not the idiot.

Product Placement (2, Interesting)

isorox (205688) | more than 5 years ago | (#28004733)

If only we could see a Sophos logo in the next Paramount endeavor, the cycle would be complete.

After having Kirk with a nokia mobile phone [memory-alpha.org] , and drinking Budweiser [memory-alpha.org] , I fully expect Uhura will be running emails from the Klingons through her Sophos package in the next film.

Re:Product Placement (1)

realnrh (1298639) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006181)

That brings up a thought. If he had been driving a Kia with a built-in Nokia, would the two have cancelled out and left him just zooming along by himself?

Re:Product Placement (1)

syn3rg (530741) | more than 5 years ago | (#28023891)

Heh -- nice.

Boring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28004887)

Now, if Rossetta Stone came out with Elvish, Dwarfish and Klingon products...THEN i'd be interested.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28005417)

Did anybody even notice the HTML source code?
Check the comments.

Wait a minute (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28005487)

Mozilla wants to kill tabbed browsing, The Hard Drive Is Inside The Computer, and now Sophos in Klingon? Is 19 May a significant day I wasn't previously aware of? Second Fools Day or something?

Make it so (1)

spaceman375 (780812) | more than 5 years ago | (#28005979)

When is Rosetta Stone going to include Klingon?
I'd actually give it a shot if they did.

Re:Make it so (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006453)

Probably about the same time they include Elvish and Esperanto as well.

Re:Make it so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28033603)

The Rosetta Stone people actually visited the Klingon Language Institute in 1996 to look into making a Klingon language learning tool. It turns out that their typical beginner lessons work by showing pictures of animals and foods. Terms for typical real-world animals and foods are, not unreasonably, absent from the Klingon vocabulary. The proposed project was shelved at that point.

Expected launch date: July 2009 (1)

iammiscreant (1473275) | more than 5 years ago | (#28006643)

from http://www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus/ [sophos.com] $Header: index.html,v 1.2 2009/05/08 14:53:14 james Web page status: Draft 0.8. Req action: Mktg to review wording and imagery (better screenshots required etc..), and QA to check links. Expected launch date: July 2009. Software status: Ready. $

A few more fun things on the site (2, Informative)

Alystair (617164) | more than 5 years ago | (#28008063)

Check out the release notes, and the source code for the page for more comedy. I wish other sites had hidden back-talk between the developers :)

Re:A few more fun things on the site (1)

Unexpof (1364249) | more than 5 years ago | (#28050115)

I am clinically fascinated by the product video they made for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6XD2zGtvAM [youtube.com]

It features a backing track of "YMCA" translated into Klingons (thank goodness there are subtitles so I can join in)

Who needs to buy drugs after watching that?

Example Of Use (1)

BigBlueOx (1201587) | more than 5 years ago | (#28010753)

Sophos:"We have detected a viral anomaly in disk sector 1A10BC"

Me:"Captain, We have detected a viral anomaly in disk sector 1A10BC?"

Sophos (grudgingly):"Captain, We have detected a viral anomaly in disk sector 1A10BC"

Me:"What are you waiting for? Go kill them!"

Sophos (indignantly):"I don't kill viruses, I jail them"

Me:"Huh. Some goddamn Klingon you are!"

geeks in the source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28014657)

ha - check out the source code on www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus [sophos.com] for awful geek conversation
also i tried to install it but came up against a problem when I could understand it enough to get through one of the screens - but this securitywatch page [pcmag.com] tells you how

now is anyone actually going to find out if this is a real translation or not?

So it seems Sophos have cleaned it up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28017003)

Check out Mr Cluley's explanation of the screw up: http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/
"trust me, you never want to upset a Klingon's grandma"
ha!

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