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going out on a limb, here ... (5, Funny)

lambent (234167) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038077)

... you're a fanboy, aren't you?

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (-1, Troll)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038157)

Please, the show sucked.

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (4, Funny)

Nutria (679911) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038251)

I've just gotten tired of Yet Another Uber-Aggressive Fight Babe stories. They've become too common for me to suspend disbelief that there really are that many physically aggressive women in this world that beat up men on a regular basis.

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038321)

They've become too common for me to suspend disbelief that there really are that many physically aggressive women in this world that beat up men on a regular basis.

You wouldn't say that if you knew my wife. (please don't tell her I wrote this)

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (5, Funny)

sigxcpu (456479) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038369)

You have obviously never met my mom.
Or grandmother.
I mean, clearly you don't have any redheads in your family.

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (1)

sigxcpu (456479) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038411)

Now an aggressive brunet, that may be science fiction, but not enough to base a show on.

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038453)

You have obviously never met my mom.

Living in her basement must be hell.

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (3, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038375)

Sci-fi stories don't all take part in the same Universe, and there are only 2 properly hard women in TTSCC (not including Cameron). Though I noticed the guy who invented Ghost in the Shell does seem to like his female protagonists (Dominion Tank Police, Appleseed, and probably more I don't know about), and he doesn't do much to make them unique from show to show..

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (-1, Flamebait)

Flentil (765056) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038385)

Previous post is FLAMEBAIT. Metamoderation needed. People loved this show because it was a great show, and was unexpectedly highbrow when people expected more explosions. Most people who say it sucked never saw it, or only saw an episode or two. Some moron said he refused to watch it because the actress who played Sarah Connor was pretty. I bet he would say the show sucked also. Was that you?

Re:going out on a limb, here ... (5, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038517)

I've seen every episode, and I still say the show sucked, but thats my opinion and it differs from yours.

Here, I'll summarize. (5, Informative)

khasim (1285) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038337)

Movie 1. Robot from the future comes back in time to kill someone but another human is also sent back in time to try to save them.

Movie 2. See 1 but there is another robot sent back instead of a human.

Movie 3. See 2.

TV series, see 3.

Will the killer robot kill the hero this week? Will the hero robot kill the killer robot this week? And the plot never changes. The killer robot doesn't take out the rest of humanity. It doesn't even try to kill his grandparents. Great-grandparents. Etc.

You never watched did you? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038455)

Anyone who actually watched the show would know the plot was not like that.

It wasn't some Kung-Fu the Legend Continues. It had a very complex plot with many main characters. Outstanding writing, acting, suspense, and plot development made this the best show on television.

Watchable show (2)

Bredero (1154131) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038081)

Too bad because i liked it. The first couple of episodes were painful to watch but later on it actually turned into a good bit of sci-fi. Plus it had the babe from firefly in it.

The babe from Firefly? (3, Insightful)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038099)

It had Summer Glau in it. Jewel Staite and Morena Baccarin are the babes from Firefly. Little Summer needs to grow up a bit, and eat a sammich or two before I'm willing to call her a babe.

Re:The babe from Firefly? (5, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038183)


Jewel Staite is hot...

Never did watch this Terminator series. To be honest I'm getting bored of the whole series model. The idea these days seems to be to start off as many subplots as possible and then take care never to resolve anything so that there's always room for another season. Then you string it out for as long as you can until you get cancelled. If you're lucky you get a really rushed ending in two episodes that clumsily attempts to tie up the storyline. Quite often not though.

Re:The babe from Firefly? (5, Insightful)

pzs (857406) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038399)


I wasn't always a fan of Babylon 5, but you have to admire the coherency of the plot. Straczynski designed the plot for the first 4 seasons before he even started making the first. He even made forward references to future seasons in the first.

Place this in stark contrast to Lost, where it's clear that there is no long term game plan and they're just trying to keep people guessing for as long as possible. What's the point in guessing if there isn't, and never has been, an answer?

Re:The babe from Firefly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038491)

Lost is for women these days. It's all lovey dovey crap between the same characters. There is no mystery, intrigue or weird monsters to it, just Kate wanting a double cock session with Doctor Narcissus and "Sawyer". She clearly prefers "Swayer" but knows getting hooked up with a Dr will mean never having to work again.

Re:The babe from Firefly? (1)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038477)

To be honest I'm getting bored of the whole series model. The idea these days seems to be to start off as many subplots as possible and then take care never to resolve anything so that there's always room for another season.

This is why I have started waiting for series to end before watching them, unless they have primarily episode based plots (like X-files, or Pushing Daisies).

But I can safely vouch for the Terminator series.

Re:The babe from Firefly? (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038481)

Little Summer needs to grow up a bit, and eat a sammich or two before I'm willing to call her a babe.

Looks like some of us are going to the special hell. Mainly, though its a pity that they didn't employ one of Joss Wheedon's fight choreographers to make full use of her ability to grab someone by the throat while simultaneously kicking them in the back of the head.

But fear not, it looks like we're going to see Morena Baccarin swallowing voles in the re-make of "V". (Re-make a cheesy early-80s SciFi series as serious drama? Where did they get that idea from?)

Sarah who? (1)

roger_that (24034) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038091)

Sarah who? I don't think I've seen this.

Re:Sarah who? (1)

hort_wort (1401963) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038225)

That's one thing -- they shouldn't have named the show after the least popular character in it. What did she do besides yell at everyone? Heck, the young AI John Henry was a better character than she was. I liked watching that robot paint models and d&d, I would hang with him. :)

I[t]'ll be back.. (4, Interesting)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038093)

...in some fashion. Fox has learned that geeks buy DVDs of TV shows they once loved. Sometimes they even make new content.

Re:I[t]'ll be back.. (3, Interesting)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038269)

yes, they realised that Firefly DVD sales are still strong so.... they give Dollhouse another season while cancelling all the good shows.

SCC had its moments, and I think overall it was very good, even if I had to yawn through the moody pauses as Sarah says "so, John, how do you feel", as he just looks moody in the half-distance. Perhaps they were trying to increase the female watching figures.

Re:I[t]'ll be back.. (2)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038343)

Huh? Dollhouse is way better than SCC. SCC was unwatchable... it felt like a high school attempt at making a show.

Re:I[t]'ll be back.. (2, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038511)

I think the point was Dollhouse vs Firefly, not Dollhouse vs SCC. Dollhouse got pretty interesting towards the end, but it was not a patch on Firefly.

Fox have now acknowledged their mistake in cancelling Firefly by saying "Hmm, we made a mistake last time. Rather than resurrect the show we shouldn't have cancelled in the first place for a second season, we'll renew the newer, less popular show by the same people."

Complex? Non-populist? Meditative? (5, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038103)

Oh, you mean dull. Or as Homer Simpson would say:


Re:Complex? Non-populist? Meditative? (5, Interesting)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038197)

I think more to the point it was none of those things. He's using the terms to rationalize why the show was canceled. Basically saying the show was too good for FOX and that's what FOX canceled it but if it was on another network, it would have lived on...honestly, no, because it SUCKED!

Bottom line: another Logon's Run.

more plausible (5, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038117)

A simpler explanation is that this show was just another attempt to increase the profits of the terminator franchise. I suspect that given the number of people involved, and the number of people that had to be paid off to gain the rights to the characters, ideas, and franchise made the show too expensive. p It seems to me that the same show could have been made with new characters at a lower cost. I am sure the network thought the fact that this was terminator meant that more people would watch it and they would recover the additional costs. Obviously they were wrong.

Re:more plausible (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038257)

Well, it's been years since the last movie, and with the next sequel in the pipeline (now out in the theaters), it seems the real purpose of the show (or at least one of the main goals) was to renew interest in the Terminator storyline.

When you think about it, the show couldn't go on too much longer, without stepping on the metaphorical toes of the storyline used in the sequel(s).

Although I have to admit as a Terminator fan, this show turned out to be bettter than I thought it would be.

Re:more plausible (3, Interesting)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038341)

A simpler explanation is that this show was just another attempt to increase the profits of the terminator franchise.

I don't think that in itself a problem - I'm looking forward to seeing Terminator 4, after all - I guess the problem was trying to cash in on the name, but also Fox expecting it could be done on the cheap.

Whether it was an attempt to make profit or not, I've always thought a TV series spin off would be interesting to see - in particular, showing stories set during the war (which this series did to some degree, and which Season 3 would have shown far more of, by the looks of how it ended). I don't really care who does it, as long as it's done reasonable well (and I think this show was generally good), and as long as they actually follow through with it.

But instead Fox give us a half-story that's cut off on a cliffhanger, with lots of loose ends around. It means that although I loved it, it's useless to the Franchise as a whole (unless someone else continues that story). I also fear it makes it far less likely that anyone else will want to do a TV series based on it (because of the expectation of failure, but also the confusion in all the additional storylines that have to be considered non-canon).

Re:more plausible (5, Insightful)

WindowlessView (703773) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038483)

terminator franchise

Maybe the problem is with the franchise. It seems so-last-decade. Reality is so much more interesting than silver liquid robots from the future.

I could never accept that in the two seasons barely any mention was made of the forces that are really behind robotic and large database development. It was as if DARPA, the defense industry, the "war on terror", the growth of domestic surveillance, insatiable corporate data aggregation, battlefield robots and drones in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc., didn't exist. The series had ample opportunities to be relevant and insightful about human psychology, social trends and politics. But it wasn't.

Bawwwww a little harder please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038123)

Watched 15 minutes of the first ep, thought it was stupid, never came back. Don't feel like I missed anything.

Get a life, people. This isn't Farscape we're talking about.

Re:Bawwwww a little harder please (2, Informative)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038363)

WTB Blu-ray release of Farscape.

It's damn near impossible to find Farscape, outside of the Peacekeeper Wars for a reasonable price.

No need for an article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038129)

Simple answer. It sucked.

But you geeks are all about populist bullshit... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038131)

I mean, look at who you elected as President!

Re:But you geeks are all about populist bullshit.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038379)

Well, it's better now than when the rednecks all voted for the dry drunk they wanted to have a beer with.

Re:But you geeks are all about populist bullshit.. (0, Flamebait)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038475)

I'm a geek and think Obama is a fucktard and wouldn't have voted for him for all the money in someone else's wallet that he'll be taking from them to give to people who don't do shit to help themselves.

Slow starter (4, Informative)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038177)

The reason it died, is because the first season and a half were mediocre, and it only really ramped up to 'being good' right towards the end of season 2.
As slow starters go, it's not really any suprise it's canned.


Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038181)

not worthy of slashdot

ok, who am i kidding

"Non-Populist, Meditative, Complex" (5, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038195)

Which is to say, "Elitist, Slow-Moving, Muddled."

Never watched the show, but thanks for the tip; you've told me all I need to know to stay away from the torrents and DVDs.

Damn! What a shame! (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038201)

The reason I want to see the movie today is because I enjoyed the TV series.

I have to wonder if part of the problem is the "ratings" system itself. Isn't it possible that while Neilsen families aren't watching it, college kids and others are watching it... owe WERE watching it?

Fox and other networks are going to have to put up their OWN bit torrent shares of their TV shows and start seeing for themselves which ones are the most popular and which ones aren't. It won't stop people from looking at the TV when it's on. It won't stop people from buying the DVDs when they come out. (I downloaded every episode of the terminator TV series, bought season one and am waiting for season two on DVD so I can clear up the space on my drives.)

These media publishers and their digital phobias... they need to USE the digital and not fear it so much.

I can think of five reasons: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038217)

1. Moved time slots about a dozen times and finally was paired with another lackluster show: Dollhouse. Let the flame wars begin!

2. Summer Glau as a terminator? Let's just call her the model iRiver and be done with it. Let the lawsuits begin!

3. Science fiction? I don't think so. This show was a trap from the get-go. It's a DRAMA. Don't try to fool me. Let the purist cleansing begin!

4. Sarah Connor: showing the world one episode at a time that the only thing that will save us is feminazi sentiment. Let the misandristic comments begin!

5. Not nearly enough Shirley Manson. Mmmmm.

Re:I can think of five reasons: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038519)

Yeah, but it was a good drama.

It seems like every damn show on television is bad science fiction these days. Even detective shows. Life in its second season had a victim killed by LN2 freezing (in a rather unbelievable manor, I might add) who shattered at the slightest touch. A person isn't a rose petal, dammit, and it takes a hammer blow even for that.

And they're not the only ones.

You're right, though that SCC was really a drama, but it was a drama about fate with decidedly christian motifs, (set with a backdrop of homicidal robots from the future.) Perhaps uncomfortably so for some people on both sides. It was a good show, and I'm sad to see it go (especially as it ended on a cliffhanger...).

4: huh?

Fine advertising (1)

heatseeker_around (1246024) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038219)

It was a good advertising, a nice marketing move to promote the new Terminator movie. Here are the release dates: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/releaseinfo [imdb.com] Except for the Premiere, the movie will show up on 21 May 2009. oh... wait... what day is it today ?

Re:Fine advertising (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038373)

Indeed the dates are interesting, but given that the movie will probably be much more popular that the series, I'd say it's the other way round: it'll be the movie that generates advertising and hype, and it seems sad to cancel the TV series now. Instead, it may have been better to have started a series shortly after T4...

Simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038235)

because it was on Fox. nothing good can survive on fox. just look at Firefly. Joss Wheaton needs to get Dollhouse on another network, or it will not last the year.

Re:Simple (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038403)

Fox has very strict standards for their shows. The first episode gets a free pass, but if half of those viewers do not pull a gun on 9 people they know and make them watch the program, it gets canned. The next week 5 of those people have to do the gun trick and so forth. This is why everyone is forced to watch American Idol, because if they don't a lover, friend or grandchild will get it.

Re:Simple (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038521)

because it was on Fox. nothing good can survive on fox. just look at Firefly. Joss Wheaton needs to get Dollhouse on another network, or it will not last the year.

Fox has already renewed Dollhouse for another season.

Terminator was still popular? (1)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038237)

The first movie came out in the 80s, the second one was a smashing success. The third one sucked and Arnie is Governor so couldn't care less about it anymore. Why was the rest going to be any good? My expectations for the movie coming out are low, the only reason worth seeing giving it a shot is for Christian Bale. How far can they take the story with the termniator franchise anyway?

Re:Terminator was still popular? (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038439)

How far can they take the story with the termniator franchise anyway?

It's a time-travel movie, they can just keep writing timeline changes until people won't pay to see them anymore.

Sarah Connor Chronicles, Why it Died (4, Insightful)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038255)

Why it Died: cost > income

you don't work at fox do you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038507)

didn't think so

Re:Sarah Connor Chronicles, Why it Died (4, Insightful)

SlappyBastard (961143) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038547)

Not true. The vast majority of TV shows turn a profit. The case is more that Fox feels they can make more money with a different show.

Missing the big picture here (4, Interesting)

SGDarkKnight (253157) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038267)

The show was good, a handful of people here saying it sucked makes no difference in the big picture. What the article dosn't talk about was the change-over in corporate leadership and show time scheduling. As the studio leadership changed over, they had new people take over that wanted to push their perfered shows; the re-do the scheduleing and put Terminator: TSCC at a time slot that was certin to kill the show, just so they could take the better time slot and push their programming. Also, they never really announced when they changed from the orignal show day and time. The die hard fans picked up on this, but the regular viewers who enjoyed the show had no clue and figured, hey guess it got cancelled and never bothered to look into it further, so the ratings dropped, and the show finally did get cancelled. Too bad, it was a good story line, and they never had filler episodes, each episode was a continuation of the previous, which i liked very much.

Re:Missing the big picture here (1)

FTWinston (1332785) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038305)

and they never had filler episodes

While I agree with everything else you say, you clearly aren't remembering that funeral episode.

Re:Missing the big picture here (1)

xjerky (128399) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038551)

Or that episode where Glau is hanging out in the Library with a guy in a wheelchair that is supposedly friends with her yet was never seen before while they read a story about a 1920's Terminator.

Still I'm pissed to see it go....mostly becuase it ended on such a cliffhanger!

Re:Missing the big picture here (2, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038451)

There were plenty of filler episodes.

Cameron at the library for instance (that was good, but it was certainly filler).

The drugged up Sarah Conner interrogation episode was also filler and stupid.

damn it! (2, Insightful)

ilblissli (1480165) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038279)

god damn it! every time a show starts to actually pick up steam and get good they throw it off the air. how can they leave us with a cliffhanger like that?!

translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038281)

"A non-populist, meditative, complex piece of television on a smash-bang, show-me-the-ratings kind of network"


non-populist = unpopular;
meditative = asks sophomoric meaning-of-life questions that appeal to angsty teens;
complex = employs loghorrea and ductile plot devices to do so;
piece of television = recreational medium, giving the brain a rest from thought and concentration;
smash-bang = not an epic novel;
show-me-the-ratings = business.

If there are enough of you that disagree, feel free to get together and found some organisation dedicated to producing your idea of entertainment. Back in 1992, Demon Internet - the first real commercial UK ISP - started its operations by getting enough people to pledge money toward start-up costs. I hear the Internet's doing quite well now. What are you waiting for?

Just a wild guess (1)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038287)

Maybe it was because audience size couldn't draw in the advertising to cover production costs and make a profit?

It was alright (1)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038295)

I actually thought it had been renewed for another season, oh well.

I ignored the "Terminator" part of the show and let it stand on its own. From that standpoint it was OK. Certainly better than all the "Ow, my balls!" crap on TV and at least the show progressed, unlike some others (*cough* Lost).

Bad medium (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038319)

From the sounds of it, the story was written in such a way that television was not the right way of transmitting it. If, like the link said, you needed to have seen every single episode to fully understand what was going on - then something like iTunes (or other download service) could be a perfect home for it.

If the programme is really that amazing (I don't know, I never watched it) then there could be a good chance to make money that way and so fund future seasons.

Re:Bad medium (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038463)

Just the wrong channel/presentation.

I would have actually worked on something like the Sci-Fi channel that not only runs it when it premiers, but then follows it up with a second showing the same night, and a few arbitrary time slots afterward so everyone gets a second or third chance to see it. This is part of the reason Showtime and HBO have made such successful series along the same lines. Prime time networks value every minute of airtime so much they can't afford to present this type of series in the way it needs to be presented for the target nerd audience.

You think they would learn (1)

Mordaximus (566304) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038327)

FOX has a pretty horrendous track record with Science Fiction shows in general(Space : Above and Beyond, Firefly and now this to name a few.) Why don't they just stick with what they know is beyond me. I'd wager we can kiss Fringe goodbye next year, too.

Re:You think they would learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038459)

You know, reading this article gave me flashbacks to the cancellation of Firefly. Aside from the plot-specific stuff, if you did a search/replace on this article it could be about Firefly instead of SCC. It's time for people to stop putting good shows on Fox, and let them fill their schedule up with more shitty reality TV. That way at least we won't keep on being disappointed. I'm still wondering about Shepard Book's past...

Why it failed. (2, Interesting)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038329)

I watched it a couple of times to see some cool terminator robots. Everyone was human-looking. Yawn for no-budget and no cool terminator robots.

why i didn't watch it (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038347)

When I first heard about the show I didn't bother to watch it. These were basically my assumptions about the show. I'm not saying that my assumptions were correct but that this is just what I was thinking

1. self-fulfilling prophecy. I figured it would get canceled so I didn't want to start watching a show that wouldn't have a proper ending.

2. no one from the films was involved. Sure the govenator is too busy to be in it but when I saw that no one involved in making the films was in it I wasn't that interested.

3. the scrawny girl from Firefly is supposed to be a Terminator? Just the idea seemed lame and meant to target horny boys.

4. there was a movie coming out that had nothing to do with the show. So it seemed kind of pointless since this tv show didn't seem to "count" as a "real" Terminator product since the new movie didn't have anything to do with it.

I saw only first episode but it was crap (1)

dvh.tosomja (1235032) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038351)

Mod me troll if you want, but that show simple wasn't good. Why would I watch such a lame show?

It dies because the Second Season was terrible (4, Interesting)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038355)

I can understand trying to build a storyline to try to build a base to build the story on, but to spend an entire season doing so...not the way to make good TV. They spent the entire season moving towards something, but we never really got any idea of the something until the last 45 minutes of the season.

let me spell out a basic point here: Terminator = Action there was little action this season.

duh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038361)

because it sucked!

Cheer up (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038371)

Now that they've cancelled this show as well as My Name Is Earl, the networks can fill the space with more reality and talent shows.

The sad fact is that given the amount of attention Susan Boyle has received, I can see this happening quite easily.

The Real Answer (4, Insightful)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038391)

Networks are now interested in "reality" shows where they can get a bunch of stupid, likeable-only-by-morons, "contestants" to make complete twats of themselves, and who are naive enough to be easily manipulated into becoming a corporate cash cow and puppet. That is, until the fickle audience grow weary of them; usually within a few weeks.

A lot of TV shows have vanished from our screens because of this: Terminator, My Name is Earl, Scrubs, Frasier, Samantha Who... the list is endless.

And when you have much of the western world swooning over a 48 year old singer who shows up to Britain's Got Talent, why the fuck would you want to pay script writers, actors, researchers, and marketers? These people cost money; they're a drain on profits.

From the boardroom's point of view, you can't beat a bunch of teenagers with mobile phones who are willing to text 30 votes a night, at £1 per message to shove someone onto a global stage and thereby generate even more revenue when you dig them out a year later.

This is the future of television, people; that's why I watch so little of it these days.

That's one of the few shows in my Hulu que. (1)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038413)

I didn't know it was canceled until just now. Really, I thought it was in hiatus after that cliff hanger ending of the last episode.

It's not easy to get in my Hulu Que, now that Galactica is gone all that's left beside Terminator is Dollhouse, Family Guy, Simpsons, and American Dad.

It's easy to tell which major network is the only one I watch. That, and that I don't have/need cable.

Did I miss something? (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038417)

I didn't give this show as much of a chance as I intended to. I watched five seconds, in which all the characters had to run naked across a highway for some reason. In that five seconds, I saw twenty things which conflicted with established continuity from the movies.

"Oh, |/FOX\| is running some vaguely-scifi show which uses the name "Terminator" in a shallow attempt to gain ratings, while pulling cheap stunts to make people giggle."

end of program

I nearly didn't watch it. (3, Informative)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038427)

My assumption was that it was going to be a cheesy capitalization on the Terminator franchise to drum up attention for T4. Fortunately, episodes were on Hulu (take note network execs) and it quickly became my favorite television series.

I'm sure this was a pervasive problem. The movies are mostly generic action movies (although I think T2 stands out). The best selling points of the Sarah Connor Chronicles--intricate plot, interesting and well-developed characters, emotional conflict, etc.--are exactly what you would assume to be weak-points if you watched the movies. Even though I enjoyed the movies, I was ready to skip the series, because even if they kept up with blockbuster quality shooting, I just didn't think that I'd like to see the same kind of plot stretched over a season. But now I wish the movies had been more like the series.

I loved especially how they would often shoot episodes using different styles of storytelling. It is a nice break from formula-shows (another huge surprise coming from the Terminator franchise!) and shows a true mastery of skill.

I am alright with the series ending where it did, however. They tied up all the loose ends introduced previously despite popping a few new ones, and I'd rather have a great series come to a dignified close than have it devolve into some dumbed down marketing-droid version which would force me to start hating it.

I hope like other well-done film, which was not immediately popular, that the Sarah Connor Chronicles will gradually gain wide renown and inspire emulation.

Written to be released on DVD (3, Insightful)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038461)

One of the reasons mentioned is the same reason I didn't like Heros and 24. If you missed the first couple of episodes, you may as well go home.

I'm pretty good at gathering threads up just from watching a show for a few minutes (pisses off my wife who can't seem to follow along and she's watched 24 from the first episode).

So I suspect, and the article seems to confirm it, that the show was written with an eye towards releasing it to DVD.

My wife and I watched Heroes first season and I really like it. Enough that I wanted to watch it when it came on for the second season. But with the commercials every 10 minutes and 5 minutes of commercials at the end, I finally bailed. I'm sure I'll get the DVD for the second series and will probably like it a lot.

24 is similar. It's written from start to finish. Like a long movie. You wouldn't come in in the middle of a movie and expect to understand what's going on.

So we'll get Heroes as they're released, my wife'll get 24 (she already has the first couple of seasons), and we'll get SCC when it's out on DVD (if it isn't already).


Sad, as it was getting a little interesting. (2, Insightful)

RATLSNAKE (1371461) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038465)

The 1st season I pushed myself through. By the 2nd season it was different but actually getting a little better. There's nothing worse than a show that is cancelled before it can finish off the show, even if doing so makes less sense due to the axe. T3 was a crap rehash of T2. I look forward to Salvation, but am not expecting much, as I fear they might be taking this part of the fabled mostly unseen story down the wrong path. But I expect it cannot be worse than T3. I would've liked one more season to try close off the story.

Bad marketing (3, Interesting)

slim (1652) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038479)

non-populist, meditative, complex

... and yet they way I learned it existed was through bus stop posters of a woman in a vest with a shotgun slung over her shoulder.

Target your marketing.

I hated the lack of directing and editing skills (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038501)

One of the most unintentionally funny scenes is in the second half of the second season when John and Sarah are hiding out with Charley. He's making soup and pours John a bowl. John takes one bite. Charley pours him a second helping. Sarah walks in asks for soup and Charley tells her that it's all gone.

One bite of soup empties out two bowls? And who the hell makes only two bowls worth of soup when three people are staying at the house?

It's these details that frustrated me to no end with the show and made it hard to watch.

easy question to answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28038533)

It died because no one was watching it and this was its second season.

If it was making a profit for Fox, it would have been renewed. But viewership numbers were very low.

It's that simple. Viewership == renewal. If not enough people like it to watch it, then it gets cancelled.

Cheers was on for 11 seasons. (5, Funny)

royler (1270778) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038535)

Cliff: Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.

But We know how it ends, don't we? (1)

Prototerm (762512) | more than 4 years ago | (#28038555)

The big problem with the series was that it had no story to tell. Say what you want about how lame the third film was, at least it had one last revelation: Skynet was software, not hardware, and it's appearance was really the direct result of the increasing complexity of the Internet (well, more or less, but you know what I mean). That was a cool idea, and as the bombs went off, turning the planet into a gigantic barbecue spit, I found myself thinking "Crap, why didn't *I* think of that?"

So, what else was the series going to tell us? What else are the new movies going to tell us? Anything? Face it, the series had nothing to say, and so (as the article tells us) did a lot of naval-gazing to justify its existence. It was down right *boring* (anyone see that god-awful episode where they all wandered around someone's funeral the whole hour?). Yes, dramas revolve around *people*, but those people have to *do* something. There has to be a *point* to it all.

Unfortunately, the whole show was pointless!

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