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329 comments

You know it's a slow day (0, Offtopic)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056233)

when I first post.

I think we all saw this one coming. I'm suprised though that it happened so fast.

Re:You know it's a slow day (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056347)

Is it me? Or do Norway and Sweden look like a two headed flacid penis?

Re:You know it's a slow day (5, Funny)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056617)

Yes, I know where I'm posting.

But man, you watch too much porn.

And apparently freaky stuff, too.....

Re:You know it's a slow day (1)

csartanis (863147) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057249)

Too many syllables in the first line.

Re:You know it's a slow day (4, Interesting)

Tolleman (606762) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056717)

Re:You know it's a slow day (1)

bFusion (1433853) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056763)

It looks sad :(

Re:You know it's a slow day (0, Offtopic)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057381)

To be fair, so does Manhattan [chsnyc.com]

Re:You know it's a slow day (1)

DarrenBaker (322210) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056973)

Man - I ALWAYS thought that, but was afraid to say it. Thank you for reaffirming my faith in... myself.

You truly are the king of kings.

Re:You know it's a slow day (1)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056979)

you know you are right because Florida looks like a penis shooting a load

Re:You know it's a slow day (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057431)

The US has Florida; area, 170,304 km^2.
Europe has Norway and Sweden; total area, 835,216 km^2.

Is it any wonder we're so obsessed with having guns over here?

Re:You know it's a slow day (4, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057481)

I thought Norway WAS Sweden.
You know, like Holland and Deutschland. Damned Dutch. Good waffles though.

Re:You know it's a slow day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056845)

test

Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBay? (5, Interesting)

bonch (38532) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057025)

I have a question. Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBay? You are aware that they were running a major piracy ring, right? That they were providing the torrent trackers that facilitated the distribution of copyrighted materials?

Don't you guys ever wonder why big-name developers like John Carmack don't post here anymore? Slashdot has adopted a position that it is completely okay to rip people off and never pay them for their work. The site mindlessly posts two or three pro-piracy articles per day to appease the masses, who will subsequently drive up ad revenues by clicking and posting about how evil they think capitalism is.

All of this is amusing considering Slashdot has threatened websites in the past for posting Slashdot's stories--due to copyright infringement. And Slashdotters love to make a big deal when a company "steals" GPL code. Apparently, piracy isn't theft and copyrights don't matter except when it benefits you.

Re:Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBa (5, Insightful)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057171)

I side with PirateBay in this particular instance because there **was** a biased judge hearing their case, no more, no less.

In the interest of justice and fairness that a judicial system is supposed to have, I can only think that you would side with PirateBay also.

If not, then there must be some other agenda.

Re:Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBa (0, Redundant)

hackiavelli (672464) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057217)

Unfortunately it looks like you're going to get buried when you made a legitimate point.

Re:Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBa (3, Insightful)

Lord_Frederick (642312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057293)

Some activities that are considered wrong in some cultures are perfectly fine in others. What's wrong is for huge powerful cultures to pressure everyone else to adopt their moral code.

Re:Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBa (5, Funny)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057449)

Some activities that are considered wrong in some cultures are perfectly fine in others. What's wrong is for huge powerful cultures to pressure everyone else to adopt their moral code.

That activity is not considered wrong in my culture.

Re:Why does Slashdot constantly side with PirateBa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057325)

Copyright infringement is OK as long as it not a GPL violation. I'm allowed to download stuff for free because I don't want to pay the MAFIAA for stuff that I don't want. They can't stop me. Fuck the MAFIAA and fuck BSD.

I thought that would happen (3, Insightful)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056251)

he should have recused himself.

Re:I thought that would happen (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056457)

This is just laughable.

To summarize: The trial judge is being accused of bias because he is a member of several IP protection groups. The judge assigned to review those allegations is also a member of the same groups. What's worse is that it seems the original judge may have directed the case specifically to this new judge.

The unanswered question is, why was the second judge found to be biased? If his membership in those groups made it inappropriate for him to judge copyright cases in general, that would imply the first judge will also be found biased. But if his membership only made it inappropriate because he was judging the implications of the first judge's membership, that is less meaningful.

Re:I thought that would happen (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056643)

hoo boy, worse and worse. Don't think the Swedes will be pleased.

Re:I thought that would happen (2, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056665)

It would seem obvious wouldn't it. But since when is the obvious ever a factor when rendering decisions? And I speak not only of legal decisions, but of decisions we all make at large. Jews/Christians/Muslims quite often don't believe in magic but at the same time believes an invisible being turned people into salt. I am equally guilty of overlooking reasonable and logical conclusions in favor of my own personal beliefs or feelings on a matter. (For example, my ex-wife was a complete wreck of a woman and everyone was telling me so for years but it wasn't until she became a direct threat to my health, safety and freedom before I could face the reality of the situation... oh was I ever blind and stubborn!!!)

If you think you might be immune to such mental weaknesses, think again and think back and you will quite likely find good examples of your own stupidity.

Re:I thought that would happen (1, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056779)

Jews/Christians/Muslims quite often don't believe in magic but at the same time believes an invisible being turned people into salt.

No we don't, at least a lot of us don't. Please don't confuse every christian, Jew, or Muslim with fundamentalist, backward, literalistic holy book readers. They are a very vocal part of religions, but they do not represent all(or even most) believers.

Re:I thought that would happen (2, Funny)

SolarCanine (892620) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056883)

Citation needed

Re:I thought that would happen (3, Funny)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057245)

I believe him, no citation needed.

Re:I thought that would happen (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056955)

Get off Slashdot you moron. You talk to an invisible man in the sky.

People are committed to mental institutions for saying that they talk to invisible men in the sky. Dostoevsky called them "God's fools". Why take a storybook and believe only the parts that you like? Your parents lied to you. Your god is as real as Santa Claus.

Religious people should put loaded guns to their heads and pull the triggers -- God will forgive -- and they'll get to live in the clouds with their milk and their honey and their 72 virgins while saving the right-thinking folks a lot of hassle.

Re:I thought that would happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057047)

- You're a believer, so you believe in an all-powerful God.
- You believe he couldn't -possibly- have turned someone to salt?
- If he can, you believe he didn't... but with what evidence?

Your story is awfully full of holes for a "forward" thinking believer.

BTW, if you're going to criticize them "backward" folks for being too vocal... try speaking only for yourself when you do it, instead of making broad generalizations.

Re:I thought that would happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057223)

My problem with the whole turning people into salt thing is not the "impossibility" of it. I mean, I could posit a science fiction story in which so alien scientist created a matter transmutation phase to turn people to salt.

I mean, when the story was created, turning human remains into diamonds [lifegem.com] would seem just as fanciful. Now it's routine enough to make a living out of it.

The problem is God's motivation. Why let them run away, and then turn them into salt for looking back? I mean, He's acting like Bluebeard [wikipedia.org] in this story.

Ok, it isn't entirely out of character for Him, but then thousands of years later He gets this semi-platonic ideal of the perfect ultimately good being grafted onto Him, which doesn't really fit with the homicidal maniac we've seen up until then. It's like killing a bunch of kids with she bears for making fun of one of His prophet's bald head. [seanet.com]

Fine for the old God, the one who said He needed one of His prophets to sacrifice His kid, and then said, "Just kidding, but I'll have that ram stuck in the thicket, thanks." It doesn't really fit in with the beatific vision [google.com] version, though, does it.

Yes, I know sacred mysteries and all that, but it always makes me think that the main reason the monks didn't want the Bible translated into the vernacular is because they all realized how poorly written it was...

Re:I thought that would happen (1)

mazarin5 (309432) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056861)

The new judge is connect socially to the judge they are reviewing. As you mentioned, the old judge requested them. That's bias enough, but it doesn't necessarily reflect on the group itself.

Re:I thought that would happen (1)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057179)

lets put it this way.. a judge prosides over a copyright case here in the us..said juge rules in favor of the AA's after the fact it is found out the judge was a member of the AA's the seciond judge brught in to see if the first judge prosided fairly but the seciond judge is also be found to be a member of the AA's thuse makeing it possable and LIKELY for the seciond judge to say o ya the first judge ruled fairly now do u see the issue?

Re:I thought that would happen (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057197)

To summarize: The trial judge is being accused of bias because he is a member of several IP protection groups. The judge assigned to review those allegations is also a member of the same groups. What's worse is that it seems the original judge may have directed the case specifically to this new judge.

Sweden: East Texas of the North?

Re:I thought that would happen (2)

Trent Hawkins (1093109) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056687)

New RIAA plan: keep bribing lawyers until there are no lawyers left

Re:I thought that would happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056849)

I agree.

It's getting worse (2, Informative)

apelsinskal (1294500) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056999)

For clarity: the judge that is no longer judging the TPB-judge is a woman. Also, one of the three judges that are to take her place is a member of the same research group as two of the prosecutors lawyers. The show must go on!

Good. (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056255)

Good. That was a flagrant distortion of natural justice, whether it was legal or not.

Re:Good. (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056295)

So do they get a re-trial or appeal rather quickly now?

Re:Good. (2, Interesting)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056399)

No. Nothing appears to have happened to original verdict yet, as the original judge's bias has not been evaluated. The judge who was judging the bias of the original case was dismissed, so I assume they must restart the review the bias of the original case, and then, if needed, have a retrial. Unless they run out of judges.

Re:Good. (1)

Znork (31774) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057259)

Well, the bias review hadn't really gotten anywhere before the court itself requested the case to be transferred to another section of the court to avoid the possible appearance of bias on part of the reviewing judge. The review board was also expanded to three judges.

Of course, as it's now turned out, at least one of the three judges on the board, Anders Eka, has worked with several of the industry lawyers under the leadership of one of the more rabid intellectual property advocates, Jan Rosén, at Stockholm University, at a group translatable as "The Research Department for Media Rights". He claims, at least, to not have been involved in intellectual property matters, but with free speech issues, which, perhaps, isn't impossible.

But frankly, with the cancerous spread of the IP lobbyists throughout the judicial system it's starting to look like running out of unbiased judges might not be impossible.

Re:Good. (3, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056645)

Natural Justice?

Is that where the lions that team up to bully those poor baby oxen on YouTube get chased into a river full of crocs by the vengful herd?

Yes, yes. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Good. (1)

csartanis (863147) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057423)

Not exactly how it happened. The lions fight with the crocs over the baby oxen, before the herd finally drive the lions off and save the baby.

Battle at Kruger [youtube.com]

Wow. (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056259)

Pretty smart judicial decision. And that's all I have to say about that.

Re:Wow. (4, Informative)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056561)

A summary here:


The prejudice question will now be tried by three other judges from another department that doesn't have intellectual property rights as a specialty.

The question will have priority and will take a few weeks to process. If it is decided that Norström had a prejudice the case will have to be retried. But if it's decided that there was no prejudice then the case can be appealed at a higher instance.

So the case was originally handled by a department specialized in immaterial rights. Obviously many members of that department are members in organizations handling the immaterial rights or have connections with such organizations.

It may be interesting to see where this ends. What's at stake here is the trust in the legal system. And if it's decided that there was a prejudice then the whole department handling immaterial rights are essentially disqualified from the action.

Not very surprising (1)

edwardd (127355) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056261)

Especially when you consider how public the conflict of interest was made.

Translation available (3, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056267)

Bork Bork Bork !!!

Re:Translation available (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057139)

Bork Bork Bork !!!

Well, he didn't make it to the Supreme Court either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork [wikipedia.org]

Seriously? (5, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056287)

Are they trying to make their legal system look like a circus? If they are, they're succeeding, in spades.

Re:Seriously? (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056469)

Are they trying to make their legal system look like a circus? If they are, they're succeeding, in spades.

Ha! They'll never make their legal system look more like a circus than ours! U-S-A !!! U-S-A !!! U-S-A !!!

Re:Seriously? (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056675)

funny, sad but funny.

Re:Seriously? (5, Funny)

rahvin112 (446269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057315)

If both legal systems are part of the same circus than the Swedish system is the clown car where another clown keeps getting out of the car just when you think it's empty and the US system is the rampaging elephant that tramples the audience.

Re:Seriously? (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057349)

Ha! They'll never make their legal system look more like a circus than ours! U-S-A !!! U-S-A !!! U-S-A !!!

Fuck yeah!

Re:Seriously? (1)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056681)

I'm wondering if the RIAA is giving away freebies to judges. Something along the lines of how some of the drug companies give free cruises to Doctors. Something along the lines of:

$DOCTOR_WHO_PRESCRIBED_DRUGS$, please come on this free ocean going cruise. We are a great drug company. We like Doctors. We support Doctors. You just have to listen to one free speech on $DRUG_OF_THE_DAY$. Aren't we a great company? Isn't this cruise great? Oh and it's free!

Except now it is:

Judge $CIVIL_TRIAL_JUDGE$, please come to our golf and country club. We won't even comment on the multitude of active litigation cases you have, because odds are, they have nothing to do with us. By the way, music piracy is bad. Invite your other friends that are also judges out to the golf and country club too. By the way, music piracy is bad.

The judiciary may have been bought and paid for, before the trials even started. This tactic might not work in the U.S., but in a smaller country, like Sweden, it might be possible to encourage judges to join an organization. Support the organization generously, and opinion can be slowly swayed.

Re:Seriously? (2, Funny)

Overfiend1976 (979710) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057339)

Are you kidding me?! Free cruises?! Free country clubs?? Fuck no! They're giving them free downloads....

Re:Seriously? (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056877)

There's a reason that it was called the spectrial in sweden even before it started. Search for the "spectrial" tag on TPB for example.

Cool, but... (4, Insightful)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056297)

Kind of wish you guys had waited for an article to be translated.

This is, after all, an English-language site. And submitters are not always the best judges of TFA.

Re:Cool, but... (5, Funny)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056315)

I kind of wish you had waited to RTFA, me.

+5 insightful? (1, Offtopic)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056345)

That was the funniest thing I've read on /. in a while. Ty!

Re:+5 insightful? (2, Funny)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056487)

hahaha, I literally just spent 3 minutes trying to figure out why the ", me." was there. /facepalm

Re:Cool, but... (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056361)

The Wired article is already in English...the Swedish article is just a local take on the story. Presumably, you can get all the information you need from the Wired story. I wouldn't know of course, because as a Slashdotter I have a pathological aversion to reading the articles.

Re:Cool, but... (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056527)

Presumably, you can get all the information you need from the Wired story. I wouldn't know of course, because as a Slashdotter I have a pathological aversion to reading the articles.

Wait ... there are articles on this site?

Re:Cool, but... (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057475)

It wouldn't be so bad, but this pathological aversion to reading articles is affecting my graduate school education as well. I haven't gone over a reading in months, and whenever my professor doesn't like what I say, I just mod him down as a troll.

Are these people professionals or not? (-1, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056319)

After racing events, the winner stands on the dais and sprays champagne over the audience before guzzling several mouthfuls himself. Who knows, maybe a day before the race he was living it up at the bar. But that doesn't mean he can't drive in the important race. His job is to drive well in the race, not necessarily before or after it.

So if a judge is a professional, his connections with professional groups should only be a factor outside the courtroom. Inside the courtroom, justice is the goal.

Re:Are these people professionals or not? (1)

techiemikey (1126169) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056465)

While ideologically, I agree with you, reality often disagrees. Some people just can't separate their personal views from what they are supposed to be doing.

Re:Are these people professionals or not? (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056705)

In this particular case he has worked with a group who has already shown a particular bias. You'd probably let an accountant count votes because he can count, but you wouldn't let that same accountant count the votes if he was also a campaign manager.

Re:Are these people professionals or not? (2, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056723)

Your analogies are usually pretty good, but this one of yours really sucks, man. Your comment title says it all:

Are these people professionals or not?

Come on, man, they're literally people first and foremost! Look at all the so-called "professionals" working in the American financial industry and tell me that they were working for the good of their companies. Being bailed out by the gubmint is not a bullet point on any company's resume!

Re:Are these people professionals or not? (1)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057017)

BadAnalogyGuy is an old-school troll.

It's irritating, he's still a troll, but it's also refreshing to see this kind of craftsmanship again after years of freshman pseudo-libertarian bullshit.

Re:Are these people professionals or not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057191)

I guess, a killer of one of your relatives would be a good judge in your case, afterall, in the courtroom it is an impartial judge, not a killer, right?

Great Summary (5, Informative)

Sagara Sozou (726002) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056321)

This doesn't even tell us how the judge was biased.

If anyone's wondering, both the original judge and the reviewing judge were part of the same copyright-supporting organizations.

Re:Great Summary (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056521)

The affiliation of the judge in a case he has to decide with one of the both parties is called bias. If the judge who has to judge if it was bias is in the same organization whose membership was the grounds on which the accusation of bias was based on, is in exactly the same organization, then his judgement about exactly this membership will be as biased.

Re:Great Summary (1)

Sique (173459) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056587)

Ah yes... but it was stated in the Wired article.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056331)

I'm sorry but did slashdot just admit, on the frontpage, that they really do NOT want us to read the article? Who the hell says this is legit? The submitter? For all I know the frigen article says "Bwa hahaha, jack ass. You fell for it!". Seriously slashdot.. way to fail at even basic journalism.

Re:What? (1)

docbrody (1159409) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056413)

uh, did you actually try clicking on any of the links in the post? Only one of them is in Swedish.

Irony (5, Insightful)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056339)

Is it just me, or do he Pirates seem to be more virtuous than the Judges?

Re:Irony (2, Interesting)

hesiod (111176) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056519)

Yes, but they make up for that deficit with childishness. This is not to suggest that I don't support them, but seriously...

Re:Irony (4, Insightful)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056755)

I'm pretty sure they knew about all of this as soon as they knew who the judge was. It probably explains their behavior. Why care about the trail when you know it is going to be thrown out anyway.

Re:Irony (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056829)

I'm pretty sure they knew about all of this as soon as they knew who the judge was. It probably explains their behavior. Why care about the trail when you know it is going to be thrown out anyway.

To make it easier for the Joe and Jane Public to support your cause.

Re:Irony (1)

Skelosh (1482211) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056771)

They wanted this to be a "spectrial" and they succeeded admirably. But I find it would be hard for any judge to take them seriously when they're acting this way... provided they can indeed find a non-biased judge.

Translation (5, Informative)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056351)

Google fails to automatically translate the page, but not the content. Translation follows:

The Court of Appeal replace the newly appointed judge in Pirate Bay case. The question of the district court was biased now determined by three judges from another department.

The information can be mentioned that none of these are or have been members of any of the compounds are present in the case, write the court of appeal in a press release.

Following reports that the newly appointed Court of Appeal judge in Pirate Baymålet previously been a member of the same compound as the copyright jävsanklagade District Court judge, asked the Court of Appeal president yesterday to hear unless another law departments should determine jävsfrågan.

Today came the decision: Designated hovrätt Council Ulrika Ihrfelt, who works for the department which has a special focus on copyright and intellectual property goals, may not adjudicate the issue of the district court was biased.

Instead, jävsfrågan be moved to another court of appeal of the departments and review by the department head, hovrätt lagmannen Anders Eka together with the Court of Appeal councils Christina Jacobsson and Ulrika Beer Grehn.

"The reasons for this is to jävsfrågan to be reviewed by other judges than those which may subsequently come to try the case and that, having regard to the contents of jävs-opposition, deemed appropriate to jävsfrågan be determined on a department that has not specialized on copyright, "writes the court of appeal in the press release.

Jävsfrågan should be treated with priority. Court of Appeal president Fredrik Wersäll expect that decision may come "in a maximum of a few weeks", states the TT.

The Court of Appeal will not go ahead with the Pirate Bay case until jävsfrågan settlement. If Norström would be judged as biased, the goal can be sent back to district court and the ruling reopened.

Several of the condemned pirates defense lawyers argue that Norström been biased, particularly because he is a member of several compounds related to copyright. The four sentenced to one year's imprisonment and to pay damages of 30 million.

Re:Translation (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056699)

Following reports that the newly appointed Court of Appeal judge in Pirate BaymÃ¥let previously been a member of the same compound as the copyright jÃvsanklagade District Court judge, asked the Court of Appeal president yesterday to hear unless another law departments should determine jÃvsfrÃ¥gan.

Wait...I can't read Swedish, but from the context, did that just say that the Court of Appeals judge was a member of the same copyright-protection groups as the biased District Court Judge? Wouldn't that make her biased, but in the other direction?

This case gets more entangled and ludicrous by the minute...

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056823)

Yes that's what it says.

Re:Translation (2, Funny)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057369)

Did somebady say jÃvsfrÃ¥gan?

Translates as...? (5, Funny)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056355)

We apologise again for the fault with the judges. Those
responsible for sacking the judges who have just been sacked
have been sacked.

Re:Translates as...? (0)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056479)

I guess this lays to rest the question "But who will sack the sackers?"

Re:Translates as...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057015)

I guess this lays to rest the question "But who will sack the sackers?"

But YOU already know the answer to this, right?

(was a subtitle reference that they will make us all pay one or the other way)

Re:Translates as...? (2, Funny)

KingPin27 (1290730) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056597)

BAH! WTF - this is too true - next thing you know its going to be the llamas have been put in charge and those responsible for the sacking of the sackers of the judges who have just been sacked have been sacked.
I don't think llamas can be members of any copyright extremist groups.

Re:Translates as...? (0, Offtopic)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056735)

Yo dawg!!...

Please note the sackers have been sacked... (5, Funny)

Turken (139591) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056359)

...and the trial will be completed at the very last minute and at great expense. (cue llamas)

Google translation here (4, Informative)

Optic7 (688717) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056365)

New judge in Pirate Bay case

Published: May 20, 2009, 10.11. Last changed: May 20, 2009, 17.04

The Court of Appeal replace the newly appointed judge in Pirate Bay case. The question of the district court was biased now determined by three judges from another department.

- The information may be mentioned that none of these are or have been members of any of the compounds are present in the case, write the court of appeal in a press release.

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Following reports that the newly appointed Court of Appeal judge in Pirate BaymÃ¥let previously been a member of the same compound as the copyright jÃvsanklagade District Court judge, asked the Court of Appeal president yesterday to hear unless another law departments should determine jÃvsfrÃ¥gan.

Today came the decision: Designated hovrÃtt Council Ulrika Ihrfelt, who works for the department which has a special focus on copyright and intellectual property goals, may not adjudicate the issue of the district court was biased.

Instead, jÃvsfrÃ¥gan be moved to another court of appeal of the departments and review by the department head, hovrÃtt lagmannen Anders Eka together with the Court of Appeal councils Christina Jacobsson and Ulrika Beer Grehn.

"The reasons for this is to jÃvsfrÃ¥gan to be reviewed by other judges than those which may subsequently come to try the case and that, having regard to the contents of jÃvs-opposition, deemed appropriate to jÃvsfrÃ¥gan be determined on a department that has not specialized on copyright, "writes the court of appeal in the press release.

JÃvsfrÃ¥gan should be treated with priority. Court of Appeal president Fredrik WersÃll expect that decision may come "in a maximum of a few weeks", states the TT.

The Court of Appeal will not go ahead with the Pirate Bay case until jÃvsfrÃ¥gan settlement. If NorstrÃm would be judged as biased, the goal can be sent back to district court and the ruling reopened.

Several of the condemned pirates defense lawyers argue that NorstrÃm been biased, particularly because he is a member of several compounds related to copyright. The four were sentenced to one year's imprisonment and to pay damages of 30 million.

Translated: New judges in the Pirate Bay case (4, Informative)

ebohman (11378) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056541)

The Court of Appeals is replacing the newly appointed appelate court judge in the Pirate Bay-case. The issue of whether the local court Tingsrätten had a inappropriate bias will now be decided by three judges from a different department.

  - It can be noted that none of these three are, or have been, members of any of the groups that are relevant in this case, the Court of Appeals write in a press release.

  After learning that the newly appointed Court of Appeals judge in the Pirate Bay case has been a member of the same Intellectual property industry group as the local judge accused of bias, the president of the Court of Appeals was asked yesterday to try whether another department should rule on the issue of bias.

Today the decision was made: The appointed "Hovrättsrådet" Ulrika Ihrfelt, who works in the department specialized in cases on copyright/creators' rights and intangible assets, is not allowed to judge whether the local court had inappropriate bias when judging the case -"varit jävig".

Instead, the issue of bias will be moved to another department of the Appelate Court and be tried by the manager of that department, Anders Eka, and judges Christina Jacobsson and Ulrika Beergrehn.

"The reasons for this is partly that the issue of bias ought to be tried by other judges than those who could be asked to later judge in the actual case, and partly in consideration of the objection to the bias, it has been deemed appropriate that the issue of bias is decided by another department not specialized in copyright", the court writes in the press release.

Then issue will be decided with priority. The president of the Court of Appeals, Fredrik Wersäll, is counting on the decision coming "within some weeks at most", according to the news agency TT.

The Court of Appeals will not start handling the Pirate bay-case until the issue of bias has been decided. If Norström is considered biased the case can be sent back to the local court and the verdict will be torn up.

The defense lawyers of several of the convicted pirates claim that Norström had a bias, i.e through being a member of several industry groups connected to copyright. The four were sentenced to one year in prison and damages of 30 million SEK (ca $4 million).

(end of article)

Note that in Swedish, having had bias is almost the same as having been a dickhead. "varit jävig" vs. "varit jävlig".

Re:Translated: New judges in the Pirate Bay case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057087)

So... all I need to do to get a +5 informative is post the article text?

This is the third posted translation so far, will he make it?!?!?!

Bad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056559)

I got bad news: According to the Spectrial (trial.thepiratebay.org), the Pirate Bay crew's inmate uniforms have fairly large holes in "the nether lands" and that the judge will forced them to wear them throughout the year. That's right, all their junk and anuses will be in danger of being - ironically - pillaged by other inmates.

No word yet on whether their suits will displayed on the Swedish National Museum of Science and Technology.

The establishment is fed up with the net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056575)

The empire strikes back. In other news: The ITU recommends [itu.int] that network filters should be installed which prevent access to websites with child abuse material. It should not surprise anyone that such filters would be technically content neutral.

You inseNsitive clod!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28056647)

so8ely diminished. if you don't tto, can be a Share, this news unpleasant first organization where it belongs, Clean for the next from now on or

Somewhat OT, Concerning DMCA and p2p software (0, Offtopic)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056651)

Maybe this has come up before, and I apologize for being off topic, but has anyone proposed the idea of a p2p network where the clients are licensed under a relatively open licensing, but have caveats in there denying that they can be used by specific groups? Not a lawyer and not very knowledgeable on how this stuff works, but it seems like if you could explicitly define what the **AA does to find the infringers is not permitted as acceptable use of the software, then I would think you might be able to hit them with DMCA complaints / C&D letters when they do.

Re:Somewhat OT, Concerning DMCA and p2p software (1)

jshackles (957031) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056911)

To do this would almost certainly imply there is some illegality to what you are doing. Therefore, a company/group/organization/whatever that set terms like this would almost instantly get sued into oblivion.

A moose once bit my sister. (1)

KTheorem (999253) | more than 5 years ago | (#28056941)

Brought to you by KT the Wonder Llama.

The Swedish judicial system... (5, Informative)

oh2 (520684) | more than 5 years ago | (#28057111)

...is not like the American one.

TingsrÃtten is the lowest court, all cases go before a judge and three lay assistants that judge the case on the evidence.

HovrÃtten is the next level, its the district appeals courts of Sweden. A large number of cases end up here and are judged by three judges. Pirate Bay was always going to end up there since its such a difficult case.

HÃgsta Domstolen is the Supreme Court of Sweden, it only handles very sticky cases and those that set precedents.

What has happened is that the lawyers for the Pirate Bay people have appealed to HovrÃtten and also put forward a claim that the original judge in TingsrÃtten is biased due to his membership in an association for copyright interests. The HovrÃtts-judge that was going to assess this claim has previously been a member of such an association and has because of this been recused. A panel of three senior judges in the HovrÃtt is now going to first assess the TingsrÃtten judges possible bias and then make a determination if the trial needs to be remade in TingsrÃtten with a new judge, or if it should be redone in HovrÃtten. These three have no affiliations with special interest groups on copyright and do not practice that kind of law.

Im quite pleased actually that our Judicial system is so carefully dealing with the whole Pirate Bay mess.

Frist ps0t (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057115)

The Cathedral but it's not a going to continue, deliver. Some Mof had at lunchtime do and doing what list of other took precedence EFNet, and apply

Sacke moose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057201)

This whole pirate bay thing is starting to read like the sacked moose in Monty Python credits. :\

Why not a translator from Sweden this year? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28057205)

> in Swedish, which Google fails to translate.

WHY NOT? With all the stuff that Google is throwing against the wall,
where is the SwedishEnglish translator? With all the stuff from
Star Trek that is really getting built, I think they will get a warp
drive and transporter working before the universal translator.

How am I supposed to flirt with the hot Swedish blondes without a
translator? And how do I get this lame US keyboard to make that
cool O with the slash through it? My keyboard is defective! Who
do I sue? "mOOse bites" just doesn't look right without the slashes.

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