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Canada's Conference Board Found Plagiarizing Copyright Report

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the no-no-we-got-it-from-the-internet dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "There is a storm brewing in Canada as the prestigious Conference Board of Canada has been caught plagiarizing US copyright lobby group documents in a report on copyright reform. The report was funded by the Canadian copyright lobby as well as by the Ontario government. The Conference Board has acknowledged some errors, but stands by the report, while the Ontario government admits spending thousands of dollars and it now wants some answers."

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Turn it in! (5, Funny)

hypermike (680396) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095429)

Turnitin.com eh?

Funny (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095457)

The Canadians are always so stuck up about their way of life, but they're liars just like the American.

Boards of Canada? (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095727)

Fernando Poo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBZeWjGjl8 [youtube.com]

Re:Boards of Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096719)

in 1492, Fernando Poo discovered Fernando Poo!

One of our underground agents will be contacting you shortly...

Re:Funny (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095817)

The Canadians are always so stuck up about their way of life, but they're liars just like the American.

True, except we're not all fat from eating cheese. And we don't shoot our allies instead of our enemies. Aside from that, it's the same.

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095975)

"Fat" has become an insult for 3rd world citizens to criticize 1st world citizens.

I suggest that 1st world citizens have better access to, and larger supplies of, nutrition. Therefore, us "fat" Americans, SHOULD be fatter than you "skinny" Africans, or "skinny" Asians, or "faggots" from Europe.

Don't be jealous of my jelly donut, fuckface.

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096277)

1st world citizens have better access to, and larger supplies of, nutrition

And your point is? Americans are fat in spite of that, not because of it. Rotten Ron's and HFCS sodas are hardly what anyone would call "nutrition".

Therefore, us "fat" Americans, SHOULD be fatter than [...] Africans, or "skinny" Asians [...] from Europe.

Umm, since when were Japan and Europe not "1st world"? And (in case you missed it) the post you're responding to was about Canadians.

Are you really so stupid that you believe the drivel you're spouting?

Re:Funny (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096765)

hence the reason for pepsi throwback

Natural Sugar FTW!!

Re:Funny (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096739)

Apparently you have a blatant misunderstanding of what nutrition does vs abundance.

Actually unhealthy folks (3rd world) tend to be fatter, contrary to the image of the starving skin and bones somalian children. Healthier folks SHOULD be skinnier. However, us americans are fat people who eat too much, thus all the healthy food in the world doesn't help when you have your 4th portion.

One word: (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096581)

Poutine.

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096583)

"And we don't shoot our allies instead of our enemies."

cause you don't shoot anything at all... you're welcome.

Re:Funny (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096771)

Posting anon since I don't want to take the karma hit for flaming.

You sir, are a gigantic flaming asshole. We've lost over 100 soldiers in Afghanistan fighting a war that you started and left for us to clean up. So go fuck yourself sideways with a rake.

Re:Funny (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095819)

I bet you've never been north of the 49th and are talking straight out of your ass. Have you ever met a Canadian in person?

These aren't "the Canadians" talking, it's an independent, not-for-profit organization that just happens to have "Canada" in their name.

Re:Funny (4, Informative)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095835)

That's redundant. Canadian's ARE American's. They just aren't US American's

Re:Funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095993)

The term US Americans is just stupid (US American's doubly so.) Make a trip through the Americas and tell a Canadian (or Brazilian, Mexican, whatever) how friendly all of "you Americans" have been during your trip. At best, they'll look at you like you're an idiot. At worst they'll take offense.

Everywhere in the Americas (and most of the world, I don't know where you are), American == resident of the USA.

Re:Funny (1, Funny)

gubers33 (1302099) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096129)

I could have sworn Canada was the 51st state. We just haven't gotten around to adding another star on the flag.

Re:Funny (5, Funny)

penguinstorm (575341) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096305)

It's usually at this point that I like to remind Americans that Canada is the only country to succesfully attack the White House, and there are still scorch marks on the walls of that hallowed building to commemorate it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington [wikipedia.org]

So keep it up skippy. We're a feisty lot. Don't fall for that "Canada is a peace loving country" crap either. Hockey is our national sport.

Re:Funny (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096513)

I still find it strange that Canada considers itself an independent country and not a territory like Puerto Rico or Guam. What with letting our moronic politicians and corporations run your government for you. We're fighting too many fights right now, it's your chance to tell us to piss off.

-Lifyre

Re:Funny (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096559)

Hockey is our national sport.

Actually, it's Lacrosse.

Re:Funny (1)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096749)

Both lacrosse and hockey are Canada's national sports. We have a split personality.

Re:Funny (4, Insightful)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097009)

Hockey is our national sport.

Actually, it's Lacrosse.

Frankly, the point still stands. Perhaps even better.

Re:Funny (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097437)

Yeah. Anyone watched a lacrosse game? Friggin' brutal. Moreso than hockey, nowadays, due to all the NHL anti-fighting rules.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096563)

Actually thats Lacrosse

Re:Funny (5, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096679)

Canada is the only country to succesfully attack the White House, and there are still scorch marks on the walls of that hallowed building to commemorate it.

True, but they felt so bad about it afterwords that they apologized a lot and finally burned down their own Parliament buildings [about.com] about a hundred years later.

Hockey is our national sport.

That's one of your national sports [pch.gc.ca] , and only for the past fifteen years. Before 1994 Canada's only national sport was Lacrosse, a game loosely based on an old First Nations game in which hundreds of participants would run around a field beating each other with long sticks while ignoring a small ball. Modern Ice Hockey is just a pale, polite shadow of Lacrosse.

Re:Funny (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096791)

To be fair they only got their independence from the UK in 1982.

Re:Funny (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096799)

It's usually at this point that I like to remind Americans that Canada is the only country to succesfully attack the White House, and there are still scorch marks on the walls of that hallowed building to commemorate it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington [wikipedia.org]

So keep it up skippy. We're a feisty lot. Don't fall for that "Canada is a peace loving country" crap either. Hockey is our national sport.

Contrary to popular Canadian belief....no Canadians were ever involved in the attack on Washington. The members of that attack were all from the British Isles.

Stop believing this crap, and we'll stop saying you eat whale blubber and live in igloos all year round.

Re:Funny (4, Informative)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097083)

Contrary to popular Canadian belief....no Canadians were ever involved in the attack on Washington. The members of that attack were all from the British Isles. Stop believing this crap, and we'll stop saying you eat whale blubber and live in igloos all year round.

Semantics. Obviously since Canada didn't exist as an independent country until 1867 and the White House burned in 1814, Canada as it is now could not have been involved.

However, if you think there were no people involved that were born on what is now Canadian soil, then you are mistaken. Yes, it was British soldiers simply because Upper and Lower Canada were British colonies, and not all were sent from Britain itself.

Re:Funny (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096819)

This is true, however...

The Burning of Washington forms the background to this portrait of the Rear Admiral George Cockburn

You guys rocked our most sacred building, however, it was done by a guy who has the most hilarious job title and last name in known existence!

Re:Funny (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096197)

That's redundant. Canadian's ARE American's. They just aren't US American's

...yet. But at the rate at which they're adopting our IP law over the muffled murmurs of the citizenry, how long will it take? First you control information...

Re:Funny (1)

dadragon (177695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096627)

Acutally, so far Canada has resisted adopting American IP laws. This is just the American lobby groups trying harder than ever to get Canada to adopt them.

Re:Funny (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097463)

Dude, we were just placed on your "anti-piracy watchlist." There was even a story or two about it on /. So I hardly think we've "adopted your IP laws." We just happen to be part of the two over-arcing international copyright agreements.

Re:Funny (1)

digitrev (989335) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097059)

Look. Language evolves. If you asked a group of people what the term American refers to, I can guarantee you that the majority of people will think of denizens of the United States of America.

You want to refer to somebody from the Americas? Call them a North or a South American. And besides, no Canadian wants to be called an American.

Re:Funny (1)

tabrnaker (741668) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097385)

North and South americans? You're going to piss off all those people in central america. :)

Re:Funny (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096117)

What is wrong with you people? If someone said "I hate Iranians" and "I hate the French", everyone would be in an uproar.

But you bash Canadians and Americans and it's entirely OK? Eat shit, hypocrite.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096249)

It's just that, well, Canadians are not a terribly divisive subject.

It'd be like if someone loudly decried cotton. Very few people would be legitimately offended by that, because on the whole no one has a strong opinion about cotton.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28097563)

It is entirely OK. The reason is because we are not a bunch of pansies that wilt in a stiff wind.

Canadian Law (0, Offtopic)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095431)

Laws against common assault are no longer being enforced by the police in my Canadian city. If you can't afford to pay the courts to charge them out of your own pocket, nothing will happen to your assailant. So, basically, the police are there to enforce your economic slavery. They are not there to protect you. Incidentally, they just hired 50 more of them here.

Re:Canadian Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095507)

I didn't know assault occurs in Canadian cities.

Re:Canadian Law (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095647)

Are you talking about a specific case, or in general. I find it hard to believe that Assault is not being enforced when an innocent person is assaulted.

Re:Canadian Law (1, Offtopic)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095861)

The police won't file charge an assault easily. One of my friends went into diabetic shock, and crashed his car with his daughter in it. One of the locals thought he was drunk and punched him in the nose, and did quite a bit of damage. The local wanted to send a message about drunk driving with kids. The police wouldn't charge him for assault, because "one hit" could be self-defence.

Also, if no witnesses are present, it can be really tough to prosecute an assault case.

Lesson: if you want to cops to charge someone, show up with a textbook case in advance. The victim should be ready for that random surprise crime. Don't expect the cops to be able to prove it, after the fact.

In fairness to the cops, with no witnesses, many crimes can be almost impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Most criminals are stupid, and repeat the same crime endlessly until the get caught. It wasn't the 10,000 examples of vandalism that got a local spray painter thrown in jail. It was the last attempt where the cops caught the vandal red handed.

Re:Canadian Law (2, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095961)

Are you talking about a specific case, or in general. I find it hard to believe that Assault is not being enforced when an innocent person is assaulted.

I'm talking in general. I'm talking about huge fights breaking out in the street while the police watch and do nothing. I'm talking a massive crime wave going on over the last week, with a massive number of assaults occurring and nothing being done about it. I'm talking about shootings on an almost daily basis in an area that doesn't usually see a lot of it. I'm talking a friend of mine got his head beat in in the middle of a movie theater, and the police advised him that they didn't do anything about common assault.

I'm noticing that people in my community who have been listening to me rant about what's going aren't arguing any more, but are looking to me for answers, and I'm thinking I'm going to have to organize people myself if anything is going to get done. I don't really like the idea very much, but my family and friends are here.

Re:Canadian Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096073)

Where the hell do you live? That can't possibly be somewhere in Canada.

Re:Canadian Law (1)

davecb (6526) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096239)

Jane and Finch.

--dave

Re:Canadian Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096405)

See, GP was right, downtown Toronto isn't Canada.

Re:Canadian Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28097239)

Are pizza shops still refusing to deliver there due to drivers more often than not being shot for the $20 on them?

Re:Canadian Law (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097545)

Yeah, that's what I'd like to know. I'm in a provincial capital city, and people get booked for assault and other minor crimes on a regular basis. Sounds more like his city just has fucking shitty police. Happens in a lot of metropolitan police departments. Small places with RCMP detachments usually fare better, since the Mounties are cycled occassionally, and so you don't get the complacency. Also, people tend to respect the RCMP a bit more than local cops. Not sure why...

Re:Canadian Law (2, Interesting)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096183)

This has been true, to varying degrees, for a long time. In general it is very hard to get Canadian police to pursue a common assault case unless if there is overwhelming evidence that the assault happened and was unprovoked, or the victim suffered a life-threatening injury. The problem is that most assault accusations come down to one person's word against another's. It is very easy to claim self-defence if you do attack someone, and the legal system is based on a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. When there is no clear evidence to support an assault charge the police tend to just separate the parties involved and get back to work.

Re:Canadian Law (1)

thirty-seven (568076) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095713)

Laws against common assault are no longer being enforced by the police in my Canadian city. If you can't afford to pay the courts to charge them out of your own pocket, nothing will happen to your assailant. So, basically, the police are there to enforce your economic slavery. They are not there to protect you. Incidentally, they just hired 50 more of them here.

What are you talking about "pay the courts to charge them out of your own pocket"? A person can't fund a criminal prosecution. Or do you mean that someone with enough money could afford to sue someone for assault in civil court?

Re:Canadian Law (3, Interesting)

topham (32406) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095799)

The requirements to bring charges in Canadian courts do not only rest with the Police and the crown. There is a process by which you can file charges and have them assessed and, potentially prosecuted without police involvement.

This isn't the normal process, and it is heavily discouraged but an incident a few years ago where an individual who was being prosecuted hard a charge of treason brought forward against a judge confirms it. The charge was not pursued as another judge overseas the process and it was without cause; but the point is that police do not have to be involved.

Don't worry about it, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095465)

It's a sincere form a flattery.

Cory and Trevor (4, Funny)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095477)

<Bubbles>Why, plagiarism is highly illegal Cory and Trevor! You shouldn't plagiarize, Cory and Trevor!</Bubbles>

Re:Cory and Trevor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096517)

Copyright Lobby (played by Ricky): Shut the !@#% up Bubbles. Now, Cory and Trevor, deliver the !@#%ing report and go get me some !@#%ing Zesty Mordant, for !@#% sakes.

The Americans are going to sue (3, Insightful)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095481)

Those quotes were stolen from our hardworking corporate lobbyists without acquiring the relevant content licenses and now it's time to exact a settlement from the Canadians.

Re:The Americans are going to sue (1)

linumax (910946) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096717)

time to exact a settlement from the Canadians.

Um... how about a new White House paint job?

Irony is alive and well (4, Insightful)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095525)

Once again, the copyright lobbyists are eating themselves like an ouroboros lawyer. Are they going to hire Lars Ulrich to explain us why it's alright to pirate your own work when you've been so adamant about suing the pants off everyone else?

Re:Irony is alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095569)

Alternatively, the report was sponsored by the same mega-corps behind the scenes.

Re:Irony is alive and well (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095667)

Lobbying used to be called bribery. It's time the people took control back of their own countries.

Time for world-wide civil disobedience.

Re:Irony is alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096355)

Lobbying used to be called bribery. It's time the people took control back of their own countries.

I really wonder about that. Lobbying, in America, is just Freedom of Speech and also talking with your representative.

But I have qualms about giving non-citizens (read: groups and corporations) the right to spend money lobbying.

Re:Irony is alive and well (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097317)

Mod parent up.

Influence buying and peddling are what the pseudo-copyright ecosystem folks are all about. Go ahead, look at how the RIAA, the MPAA, and the other EIA/TIA working groups give campaign contributions to federal and state representatives. Then tell me about free fucking speech.

Re:Irony is alive and well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096065)

The reasons why shareware exploded into growth in the 90s were because of a number of reasons. Hardware was expensive, today if a game doesn't work because you have too little RAM all you need to do is spend less than $20 and get a gig of DDR2 RAM, likewise if you don't have enough storage, you can move some pictures or movies onto a few GB flash drive for less than $20, if you don't have a fast enough graphics card all you need to do is spend $100 and you can get one that will handle most games (well, perhaps not Chrysis but other than that....), if your CPU is the bottleneck you can get a decent enough box for less than $500, back in the 90s an upgrade like that could be a thousand dollars or more. Shareware gave you a chance to make sure the game ran decently before you spent $50 on it. It also curbed piracy, by giving away part of the game for free pirates had something to distribute other than the full game. On the other hand shareware was as annoying as heck and still is especially on non-PC platforms such as Windows Mobile, iPhone (though due to the app store its a lot better than on Windows Mobile), or the generic cell phone.

Re:Irony is alive and well (1)

praetorblue (1395623) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096101)

like an ouroboros lawyer

Is it sad that when I read this the first thing I think of is City of Heroes?

Hope someone gets the reference.

Re:Irony is alive and well (1)

CannedTurkey (920516) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097015)

If they don't it's likely a Nemesis plot.

Re:Irony is alive and well (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097021)

Hah! I thought of Resident Evil 5. So there. (There's an "ouroboros" virus in the game.)

What is the Conference Board of Canada? (5, Informative)

thirty-seven (568076) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095603)

As a Canadian, my first reaction to reading this story on /. was "what is the prestigious Conference Board of Canada?" I mean, I know what the "Ontario government" is and the "US copyright lobby" and "Canadian copyright lobby" are self-explanatory terms, but I'm not familiar with the Conference Board of Canada. When I read it here, I thought maybe it was an agency of the federal government.

Anyway, I little digging turns up that the Conference Board of Canada is basically a non-profit think-tank, that is funded on a per-service basis. So private groups and governments will pay it to research a topic and publish a paper on it. It also holds conferences and does research reports on its own. According to their official website, their areas of expertise are "running conferences", "conducting, publishing, and disseminating research", "economic trends", and "public policy issues". It is affiliated, but legally separate from, the U.S./international "The Conference Board, Inc. of New York".

They state: "Objective and non-partisan. We do not lobby for specific interests."

Re:What is the Conference Board of Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095661)

They state: "Objective and non-partisan. We do not lobby for specific interests."

They lie.

Re:What is the Conference Board of Canada? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095909)

Apparently their expertise doesn't extend to properly citing their sources while conducting their "research".

Re:What is the Conference Board of Canada? (4, Interesting)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096155)

As a Canadian, my first reaction to reading this story on /. was "what is the prestigious Conference Board of Canada?" I mean, I know what the "Ontario government" is and the "US copyright lobby" and "Canadian copyright lobby" are self-explanatory terms, but I'm not familiar with the Conference Board of Canada. When I read it here, I thought maybe it was an agency of the federal government.

Anyway, I little digging turns up that the Conference Board of Canada is basically a non-profit think-tank, that is funded on a per-service basis. So private groups and governments will pay it to research a topic and publish a paper on it. It also holds conferences and does research reports on its own. According to their official website, their areas of expertise are "running conferences", "conducting, publishing, and disseminating research", "economic trends", and "public policy issues". It is affiliated, but legally separate from, the U.S./international "The Conference Board, Inc. of New York".

They state: "Objective and non-partisan. We do not lobby for specific interests."

A "think tank" is just a group of non-experts who organize expert-produced information despite their lack of qualifications and understanding of the topics they discuss. They can dig up sources satisfactorily, but they get into serious trouble when they try to draw conclusions. Friends don't let friends believe a word written in a think tank.

Re:What is the Conference Board of Canada? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096343)

Everything but "objective" certainly sounds correct. On your description it sounds like they'll lobby for whatever you pay them to lobby for.

Dear Mrs Morissette (4, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095615)

Dear Mrs Morissette,

Please pay attention. This is ironic.

Thank you.

Re:Dear Mrs Morissette (1)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095773)

And to the Ontario Government:
It's like a free ride, when you've already paid.

Re:Dear Mrs Morissette (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096041)

Yah know, it really isn't all that clear if she was writing the song earnestly or ironically.

She is cynical enough to have tried to be a pop star before doing whatever you would call the stuff that led to her public rise in the U.S., so who knows.

Re:Dear Mrs Morissette (1)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096231)

When told the only ironic thing about the song is that it contains pretty much no irony, she said "I know, it's a malapropism." *eye roll*

Re:Dear Mrs Morissette (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096509)

Well played Alanis, well played.

Now that's what I call... (2, Insightful)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095621)

... the definition of irony :)

Their response is just as bad and very revealing (5, Insightful)

ashitaka (27544) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095651)

"...some of the cited paragraphs closely approximate the wording of a source document."

Closely approximate???!! Hell, they're word-for-word copies right down to the bullet points. They are not in quotations so they aren't really citations.

This really makes me sad because it shows an external corporate influence in Canada's affairs that would have Americans screaming if the reverse was true.

Re:Their response is just as bad and very revealin (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095839)

Americans would scram if there was Canadian influence in the affairs of external corporations?

Re:Their response is just as bad and very revealin (2, Insightful)

ashitaka (27544) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096153)

Read it again.

Americans would scream (yes, the 'e' is there) if Canadian corporate interests interfered with US internal matters.

The reality, of course, is that they do as does corporations from all over the world. Suitable screaming thus ensues but nothing is really done.

Re:Their response is just as bad and very revealin (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095967)

"...some of the binary files on my hard drive closely approximate the sound of a copyrighted song."

Hey, after all, MP3 is lossy ...

Duh (5, Insightful)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095679)

You didn't expect them to actually work for their money, did you? Here's the way these things work: the government pays a lot of money to an organization for policy "consulting", so they can have a report which recommends doing what the lobbyists wanted them to do in the first place.

The report is a foregone conclusion. The $15,000 is spent to passing the blame, not on any actual work, and for a politician, it's money well spent. You can't really blame the conference board for plagiarizing their report, usually nobody bothers reading those things anyway.

It's great work if you can get it. You get to sit around, getting paid to accept blame for public policy. Except since you're just a private individual, there's no actual responsibility or consequences involved. Meanwhile, the politicians can point at you, defusing any potential scandal by claiming they're just doing as was recommended by the "experts" and if they made a mistake, well it was well intentioned and they did their best.

Finally! (1)

Hoyty1 (1502645) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095689)

Now I can defend against all those cheating accusations in college!

Subservience (1)

siloko (1133863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095737)

I for one bow down to our new plagiarizing copyright lobby overlords. And on a brighter note this summer looks set to be a scorcher!

$15,000 to photo copy? Sounds good to me! (1)

dan of the north (176417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095785)

Crisis? What crisis? And they're hiring too!

Soo canada is awesome?! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095807)

Props Canada, you show those stupid american companies what being a pirate is all about!!

Sad but True (5, Insightful)

hardwarejunkie9 (878942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095813)

This is the reason why we have to have very close fact-checking standards for legal and academic publishing. It's quite possible that if someone hadn't truly caught this then someone would be quoting this material as reliable information. It's actually quite frightening when you consider how much "reliable" material is out there that truly has basis neither in fact nor reality.

Canada Conference Board Found Plagiarizing Copyrig (1)

nickull (943338) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095919)

An anonymous reader writes "There is a storm brewing in Canada as the prestigious Conference Board of Canada has been caught plagiarizing US copyright lobby group documents in a report on copyright reform. The report was funded by the Canadian copyright lobby as well as by the Ontario government. The Conference Board has acknowledged some errors, but stands by the report, while the Ontario government admits spending thousands of dollars and it now wants some answers."

Oh dang it!! I'm Canadian and I just did it again...

Incorrect Summary (5, Informative)

ColonelBobo (934213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28095927)

The summary is incorrect in that at this time, the Ontario Government has yet to seek answers into how the funds it provided were used. The questions posed are by Michael Geist as to what the Minister responsible should be asking.

Re:Incorrect Summary (2, Interesting)

hardwarejunkie9 (878942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096089)

The likelihood of anyone doing anything about this is very low, however. After all, they're just going to claim it was an honest mistake and people will look away and pretend those tax dollars never existed. The problem with these governmental expert boards is that people often pour money into them to get a reputable title put on their agenda and there is little to no accountability in the entire process.

Re: Correct Summary (4, Informative)

davecb (6526) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096191)

Michael Geist writes: Update (5:15): Brian Jackson of IT Business reports that the Minister's office acknowledges spending $15,000 on the report. It plans to follow up on the issues raised in my post.

Not plagiarism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28095965)

It's simply Fair Use between assholes.

Re:Not plagiarism... (1)

Frigga's Ring (1044024) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096537)

It's simply Fair Use between assholes.

Kinda like in prison?

Re:Not plagiarism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28096685)

Those are two different issues. They failed to cite their sources. It's therefore plagiarism regardless of whether or not it is copyright infringement.

(And it's "fair dealing" in Canada anyway)

Related discussion about North American Union (1)

cagrin (146191) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096031)

Interview [youtube.com] with Richard Syrett, a Canadian talk show radio host.

makes me wonder (2, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096083)

what if Canada gets sued for copyright infringement.

Re:makes me wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28097173)

we'll go on strike!

And the problem is?? (1)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096107)

Like I always say (having borrowed the phrase from my former boss), "Why Improvise when you can plagiarize?"

I am surprised this is even newsworthy. If the Canadians want to borrow phrases from other countries' current laws, then that should be simply a compliment to the originating country.

Re:And the problem is?? (4, Insightful)

davecb (6526) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096301)

It's a problem when a government pays for a report from an uninterested third party, and gets a quickie rewrite of a pressure-group's screed. And a dishonest one at that.

--dave

You reap what you sow (5, Insightful)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096289)

This is the kind of crap that results from a casual disregard for plagiarism in schools. It's awful here in the states, and I imagine just as bad in Canada. Copying that freshman assignment leads to copying conference reports later on in life. Any form of plagiarism is corrosive to real progress.

Re:You reap what you sow (4, Insightful)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096999)

Copying that freshman assignment leads to copying conference reports later on in life.

Actually, copying that freshman assignment _really_ pisses off the poor schmuck who has to grade it. Not only have you just insulted his (or her) intelligence by turning in something that was obviously cribbed from Wikipedia, but also instead of just spending a few minutes reading your paper, scribbling down a grade and then moving on to the next one he has to look up the original source that you copied from, have a chat with the professor in charge of the class, take time out of his day to have a meeting with you and explain exactly how dumb you just were, and then after wasting all that time dealing with your mess, decide whether or not to inform your department head and have you expelled for it.

By that time the only two things keeping you in school at all are the fact that there's an awful lot of paperwork involved in having you expelled, and that your professor may still feel sorry for you. Your best bet is to admit everything, tell a mildly sad story about how you were running out of time and panicked, and then never do it again.

Saying "No, you're wrong, I just forgot one citation but everything else is fine [conferenceboard.ca] " is not it.

Perfectly good explanation for this (3, Funny)

Nerdposeur (910128) | more than 5 years ago | (#28096643)

"We just realized we could produce more content by borrowing from and building on the work of others. Ow! C'mon, guys!"

THOUSANDS? wow. (1)

pdxp (1213906) | more than 5 years ago | (#28097441)

...while the Ontario government admits spending thousands of dollars...

That's some serious cash... I mean, almost twelve US dollars!

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