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Zune HD Unveiled, Set For Fall Release

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the for-sufficiently-small-values-of-h dept.

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Several readers have written to mention that Microsoft has confirmed and unveiled the Zune HD. It has a "3.3-inch, 480 x 272 OLED capacitive touchscreen display, built-in HD Radio receiver, HD output," and it makes use of multi-touch input. More details will be forthcoming at E3, including how the device interacts with Xbox Live. Reader johnjaydk notes a PCWorld article that asks whether the Zune HD will be capable of competing with the iPod Touch. Quoting: "... the real competition between the Zune HD and the iPod Touch will come down to software. The new Zune will be based on a custom version of Windows CE, while the iPod Touch runs on the already popular iPhone platform, for which thousands of applications are available."

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Title (5, Funny)

Anonymous Custard (587661) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111889)

I first read that title as "Zune HD Unveiled, Set For Fail Release"

Wake me up when... (0)

narfspoon (1376395) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112031)

Wake me up when they release the Nokia N-Gage [bruceongames.com] HD.

Re:Title (0, Redundant)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112045)

Ditto, you took the words right out of my mouth. Or fingers. Whatever.

Release should be fine (2, Informative)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112051)

The device is sturdy (judging from past Zunes), the screen (while not HD by any means) will still be a decent screen to work with, and the hardware will be solid enough to output 1280x720.

It's a winner in my book, even though I still wish the screen itself was 720p.

Re:Release should be fine (1)

Capt. Cooley (1438063) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112429)

I'm happy about this, it sounds like Microsoft is finally getting it's act together with this new Zune. If they can actually get all their apps and features together in one place, and the browser works even half decently, it looks like it'll be a good value.

Re:Release should be fine (3, Interesting)

rzekson (990139) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112551)

From this never-ending iphon/ipod/zune buzz, one could get the impression that the world has only two cutting edge devices, ipod/iphone and zune. it just so happens that the fantastic features they promise to come have all been around for some time now. I just find it genuinely hard to understand why the free software community drools over the iphones, and fails to notice the availability of platforms that are superior and basically made for developers (not to mention there are a number of better devices out there). FYI, for well over a year I have owned a Windows Mobile device (IPAQ 210) with a fantastic 640x480 touch screen that beats all the ipods, zunes and other such iphones by a large margin in terms of resolution and comfort. it cost me $400, about as much as any of the other toys. It eats 32 GB memory in flash cards (allegedly even more, have not checked). Compact flash and SD, replaceable at anytime, including while the device is on. It has good-quality 802.11 radio (no flakey operation), wiht no restrictions, I can open sockets, send multicast, consume web services. It has bluetooth. It lasts for days without charging. And most importantly, it takes the latest compact editions of the .NET framework, allowing me to deploy any code I feel like to deploy on it at a press of a button in Visual Studio, bypassing the need to unlock it, use app stores or other such bizarre nonsense. I like the idea of being able to program my devices, and I use that feature constantly. And yes, it does play hd mp4 videos from youtube very smoothly. Doesn't come with a phone. And what would I need a phone for?! To pay the $100+ in monthly charges for a data plan? I pass by wifi access points so often, I don't need to think about it much. Most of the time, I get my email while carrying the device in my pocket. It boots in about a second. It does not come with GPS. Frankly, I wouldn't have noticed. Most of the time, I know where I am, and when I travel, I prefer to use a professional device such as tom tom that was made for thus purpose and has been developed and improved for a long time. And no, I don't work for hewlett-packard.

Re:Title (3, Funny)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112471)

Raise the failure flag!

Re:Title (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112531)

Fall, release, drop, give-up, fail... all much the same really.

Re:Title (2, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112603)

I first read that title as "Zune HD Unveiled, Set For Fail Release"

Maybe that's the date they will all fail simultaneously [google.com] ? But this time, it'll be in high-definition!

Re:Title (1)

superdana (1211758) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112683)

Damn, I clicked through just to say that very thing :)

Re:Title (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112695)

But now it will fail in advanced 480 x 272 resolution!

Zune (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28111899)

Q: What do you call a bunch of Zunes?

A: Shit bricks! Haw haw haw haw HAAAAAWWW!!1!!!

Re:Zune (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112443)

Q: What do you call a bunch of Zunes?

A: Overstock

headline misreading. . . (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28111907)

Anyone else read the headline as "set for FAIL release"? :)

Why a Zune (-1, Troll)

LinuxOverWindows (1549895) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111917)

Why base a Media player on a PDA os, that doesn't make sense, why would you use a PDA level OS to run a media player.  Why not just run a basic firmware.

Re:Why a Zune (0, Redundant)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112013)

why is the iphone/touch not on basic firmware?

Re:Why a Zune (0, Troll)

LinuxOverWindows (1549895) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112107)

And why does the Ipod Touch suck also, a touch screen media player is a bad idea, there is nothing wrong with a media player then can handle movies but having a touch screen is completely pointless.  The best firmware on the web is Rockbox hands down.  It does everything a normal human needs with a meida player and because it's open source if anyone wants to edit it there free to. 

In other news... (-1, Troll)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111935)

World points.
World laughs.
World goes on with the business at hand, chuckling quietly and smirking.

Re:In other news... (2, Funny)

will this name work (1548057) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112037)

Re:In other news... (1)

rishistar (662278) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112589)

So I should get one to go with my new South American phone [arstechnica.com] .

It's coming to Europe (5, Informative)

CNETNate (1469133) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111937)

Zunes are also finally coming to Europe as well, which marks the first time Microsoft has announced the US exclusivity on the Zune is being dropped. Understandably, the US press has perhaps overlooked this fact, but if you live here in Europe, it's possibly bigger news than the Zune HD being announced.

Re:It's coming to Europe (4, Funny)

Reapman (740286) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112073)

You can actually get the Zune up here in Canada, and contrary to popular belief we're not the 51st state ;)

Re:It's coming to Europe (1)

CNETNate (1469133) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112105)

Can you use the Zune Marketplace for that as well? Part of the European rollout will be integration with Xbox Live and the Zune Marketplace.

Re:It's coming to Europe (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112113)

...contrary to popular belief we're not the 51st state ;)

When did this happen??? They seceded?

Re:It's coming to Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112313)

In other news, Canada was renamed Texas.

Re:It's coming to Europe (1)

rvw (755107) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112709)

...contrary to popular belief we're not the 51st state ;)

When did this happen??? They seceded?

No, they were sold to Europe! It's coming to Europe you know! The Zune is just a cover operation.

Re:It's coming to Europe (-1, Flamebait)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112453)

Haha, too much French in you guys, lol. Just kidding. Brings the thought that that might make you surrender too much/easily.

Re:It's coming to Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112605)

You can actually get the Zune up here in Canada, and contrary to popular belief we're not the 51st state ;)

Big news... when was the civil war?

Re:It's coming to Europe (-1, Troll)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112195)

which marks the first time Microsoft has announced the US exclusivity on the Zune is being dropped.

...which is exactly why I predict Microsoft is unlikely to sell a single unit. Microsoft has totally missed the boat. They might as well just pick up their bags and go home, maybe to try and sell some lame operating system riddled with bugs and bigger holes than Britney...

Ahem. Sorry.

In other words, Move along please, nothing to see here...

Re:It's coming to Europe (3, Interesting)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112259)

Huh... if missing the boat is making something that works really well, and has more features, I guess they did. My zune works flawlessly, has a better screen, wireless sync, and the ability to tune radio stations. Contrast with my wifes 2g ipod nano, which locks up randomly, repeats the same song endlessly, skips the the next song randomly, and lets not forget that abomination of software call iTunes, and the recommended fix from the apple store? "Buy a new 3G ipod!!" Which was the same answer they gave to EVERYONE that came in with a problem with apple hardware. Bleack.

OLED screen? (2, Informative)

Alcimedes (398213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111957)

Will this be the first mass produced consumer product to use an OLED screen? I know I've been reading about them for some time, but other than one digital camera (i think) I don't know that I've heard of any products that will actually contain one. It will be interesting to see how it looks relative to other small media players.

If nothing else it's great that they're raising the bar.

Re:OLED screen? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112011)

No, OLED screens have been on devices for a while. Check out Cowon's sleak S9.

Re:OLED screen? (4, Interesting)

njen (859685) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112237)

I have an S9, and I am very impressed with it. The AMOLED screen is simply amazing, this coming from a CG graphics industry vet. Colour reproduction is very important to me, and it does not disappoint. Unless the Zune is priced better than the S9, or the Samsung equivalent (was it called the P3?), then it's not going to do that well, especially knowing that by that time, Cowon and Samsung (not to mention everyone else) will have updated models of their products (possibly even second generation level) by the time Microsoft get's in with this. Pass.

Re:OLED screen? (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112267)

Small ones [amazon.com] are all over the place. Most of the desktop sized digital photo frames I saw last I was in Japan are OLED.

Lousy screen, Low Storage (5, Funny)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111963)

With specs like that, I'm curious as to what their target demographic is? Apple already tied up the young, hip and ignorant. iRiver owns the cheap and techy. All that's left is the old and confused.

The Zune is like the Go-Bots of digital media players. It's what your grandmother will buy you for your birthday, knowing you like that "music thing"

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1, Interesting)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112009)

Aw, come on now. There are a few of us young people who actually prefer the Zune to the iPod. I happen to be one of them. I'll take the evil Microsoft over the snobby Apple anyday.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (3, Interesting)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112133)

Really, in preparation for the coming flame war, I feel it necessary to point out that you can use visual studio to compile and run Zune games without fear of the heavy hand of Microsoft crashing down upon you and your work. I dislike Microsoft, but free update to run homebrew software that doesn't have to have a corporate blessing? I still have Windows on one box for games anyway though (not a WoW/Quake junkie), so I guess things might be different for me.
Until that Linux company I keep hearing about comes out with MP3 players, then this is the way to go for me. :)

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (2, Informative)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112327)

You can develop iPhone/iTouch software and deploy it without any involvement by Apple. Just connect the computer with the application to your device. What you cannot do without using iTunes or your own (probably corporate) server is widely distribute your applications to others around the world.

I'm always amazed how ignorant non-Apple users are about Apple's products and how much disinformation they spew. If you really want to know what you can or cannot do with an Apple device or software, you should ask the people who know - experienced Apple users.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

iamhigh (1252742) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112425)

If you really want to know what you can or cannot do with an Apple device or software, you should ask the people who know - experienced Apple users.

In my head, that would play out like asking a hipster what music he doesn't listen to and expecting anything other than smartass reply.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112673)

I flattered that you think I'm a hipster. I don't think I even know any. I like and use Apple's products because they work well and well together. If you prefer Linux, Windows, Zunes or whatever, I'm fine with that.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112517)

You cannot develop iPhone/iTouch software WITHOUT A MAC.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (4, Informative)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112621)

Can you develop Zune software without Windows?

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112687)

And you cannot use Visual Studio on anything other than Windows... so what's your point? Microsoft stays with Microsoft for dev, Apple stays with Apple for it's dev, business as usual.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

tlaloc58 (1092121) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112705)

You can make your own programs for the iPod right out of the box. Xcode comes included on every mac. As for microsoft, they too can provide a joyful programming experience as well when it comes to approving software, just ask the guy who wrote Braid for the xbox arcade.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112295)

There are a few of us young people who actually prefer the Zune to the iPod.

Bill? That you? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're only a year or so older than I am, and you're the only other owner of a Zune that I know.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

Bruiser80 (1179083) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112095)

They'll have an HD radio receiver. That's something that iPod doesn't do. Screen resolution does sound cruddy. It would be interesting to see what this thing could do, but most likely will be discarded, just like the original Zune (I believe the original Zune had a radio receiver too).

Lol, GoBots :-)

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112189)

HD radio receiver is not a good thing. Have you even listened to HD radio?

P.S. Hd radio means "Hybrid Digital Radio" they hope you assume the Marketing ignorance and think HIGH DEF! It sounds like crap, like a 64Kbps stereo mp3. Sirius and Xm sound better, and those are horrid.

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112287)

Sirius and Xm sound better, and those are horrid.

Sorry, is it still 2000? Did I imagine the last 9 years?

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (1)

Bruiser80 (1179083) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112657)

But if that's what radio is transitioning to, better to have the next gen, which can also pick up old stations, than be left with an obsolete bit of tech, right?

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112137)

Probably the same demographic that has XBox 360s.

Necessary Response (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112141)

Apple already tied up the young, hip and ignorant.

Glad you're enjoying your iPod.

They also tied up the people interested in the platform with the widest capability...

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112217)

That would make the iPod the My Little Ponys?

Re:Lousy screen, Low Storage (4, Interesting)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112331)

I'd have to say that their target demographic is probably everyone who bought an Xbox 360. The one piece of MS's gaming strategy that's been noticably lacking is the handheld. Now, it appears they're getting serious about it. I had high hopes for Zune integration when the 360 came out, and it just never happened. Then, XNA came out and it looked like things were going to happen in that space again, and then nothing. Maybe the old axiom about MS getting it right on the third shot is going to hold true, yet again?

Hmm.. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#28111975)

The hardware is pretty good looking(though the screen resolution is a bit of a WTF? in this day and age). My primary concern would be browser related. Mobile IE is a worthless unforgivable pustule on the ass of mankind. Since it isn't on x86, it doesn't even have the "compatible with every last weirdo activeX control and embedded horror" angle going for it. Unless MS has made extraordinary enhancements, they might as well not bother.

Hopefully it will be compatible with Opera or other third party browsers.

HD, yeah.. (4, Informative)

omgarthas (1372603) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112005)

From TFA: "Supported 720p HD video files play on the device, downscaled to fit the screen at 480 x 272 - not HD resolution. Zune HD and AV Dock, and an HDTV (all sold separately) are required to view video at HD resolution" Seems like every single product these times has to have "HD" at the end, just like "2000", "Professional", etc, etc..., even if its missinforming...

Re:HD, yeah.. (2, Informative)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112067)

It can output 720p to an HDTV.

Re:HD, yeah.. (4, Funny)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112275)

Seems like every single product these times has to have "HD" at the end

Yay! It can finally allow me to read all those 1.4MB floppies I have in a box in a cupboard somewhere...

Re:HD, yeah.. (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112459)

Don't get ahead of yourself, now. Nowhere does it say it handles double-sided media. Just high-density.

Re:HD, yeah.. (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112423)

My personal suspicion is that Apple planned the next iPod Touch to be called the Touch HD, Microsoft got wind of it, and decided to pre-announce to "reserve" the name in the public's mind. The iPod has already done video out at 480p and 576p via (optional) component cables for awhile, so my guess was that they'd bump that up to 720p and call it the Touch HD with June's hardware refresh. The catch is, of course, the bitrate. I haven't seen what the Zune HD's "High Definition" bitrate actually is. For example, a Blu-Ray disc can transfer 10x the bitrate of most download "HD" services, which means less compression and better visuals.

Re:HD, yeah.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112681)

HTC was already using the name "Touch HD"; see here: http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/overview.html

Also, there's a pretty big difference between 480p and 720p (720p is three times the number of pixels as 480p), but it does seem natural they would move in that direction.

Re:HD, yeah.. (1, Troll)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112437)

In this particular case, HD means "highly distorted".

Redmond Start Your Copiers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112017)

Redmond, start your copiers...again

Re:Redmond Start Your Copiers... (1)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112213)

Microsoft had multitouch first by way of Surface (compared to Apple, anyway).

And CE isn't popular? (4, Insightful)

Onyma (1018104) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112023)

"The new Zune will be based on a custom version of Windows CE, while the iPod Touch runs on the already popular iPhone platform, for which thousands of applications are available."

This makes it sound like CE is just some new kid on the block. I mean I don't deny the popularity of the iPhone platform and the benefit of their app store, but common, CE is no flash in the pan for applications either. Not to mention Visual Studio makes it a BREEZE to develop for.

Re:And CE isn't popular? (5, Insightful)

Zerth (26112) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112403)

I believe the point is that while it is called "WinCE" any software labeled as "WinCE compatible" won't be compatible with this device, much like "PlaysForSure" on music guaranteed that it wouldn't.

Re:And CE isn't popular? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112581)

CE is no flash in the pan for applications either.

So it supports Flash, eh? Must have plenty of flash memory.

Re:And CE isn't popular? (1)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112645)

CE has thousand of apps that act as if you're on a desktop--hence not-intuitive from the desktop UI.

iPod has thousand of apps that are useless, hence useless.

You pay either way so it's a win-win for Apple and MS.

Re:And CE isn't popular? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112719)

It's just too bad that that BREEZE is coming out of Steve Ballmer's ass.

a custom version of Windows CE (2, Informative)

wiredog (43288) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112027)

Which means that anyone who can program for Win 2k/xp/vista/7 can program for the Zune. I've done WinMobile programming and it's easy in C#. Many apps can be easily ported from desktop to Mobile and back, with the main issue being the screen size.

The tuner (I assume it does regular FM if it does HD) is a big win here.

I wonder how hard it is to transcode video for it? If it's as easy as for iPhone (using Handbrake, for example)...

That's the whole issue (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112183)

Many apps can be easily ported from desktop to Mobile and back, with the main issue being the screen size.

That's the whole reason Windows Mobile has such problems, because in development you are basically targeting a desktop but the user doesn't HAVE a desktop, they have a mobile device with constrained screen and constrained input. It makes the applications developed fundamentally more frustrating than they are on OS's built around a mobile platform - like the Android, iPhone OS or even WebOS from Palm.

Not to mention it can lead to apps that really chow down battery.

Re:That's the whole issue (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112497)

So the whole reason that Windows Mobile has problems is because application developers are porting their desktop applications?

Transcoding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112219)

Transcoding difficulty shouldn't be higher than for the iPhone. You'd still be using Handbrake. The only difficulty you might have is that Handbrake only comes with profiles for Apple's products. I have a Sony Walkman and use a Zune profile I found on a forum after a few clicks from Google.

Who else thought... (0, Redundant)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112053)

...the title said, "Fail Release"?

HD radio is awesome! (4, Informative)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112061)

I bought an HD radio just to check out the technology. The cheapest one I could find was $80--quite a bit for a radio. But the quality is spectacular (HD AM sounds better than the best non-HD FM reception), and you get more stations and metadata.

I am surprised that his hasn't caught on more yet. I believe it is because the chips needed for HD radios are still expensive. I sure hope the Zune drives down implementation costs and helps bring HD radio to the masses. Listening to NPR as if I'm right in the station is a great experience.

Re:HD radio is awesome! (2, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112099)

its hard to find hd radios with spdif out (the industry doesn't like that and they try to make it hard).

that, and the fact that the audio is too compressed to be called 'hi fi'.

I'll pass.

Re:HD radio is awesome! (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112549)

You'll pass on HD radio in favor of what? Non-HD radio? So you prefer hiss-and-pop mono AM radio? You prefer the white noise in the background of FM radio? Really?

If your concern is volume range compression, you should know that your analog radio stations are probably playing their music from similarly-compressed CDs. Are you sure HD is responsible for whatever compression you dislike so?

Re:HD radio is awesome! (1)

bwalling (195998) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112247)

If HD is just more of the same music selection that comes on regular FM, I'll pass.

People said the same thing about Xbox failing... (2, Insightful)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112089)

Look at how the Xbox 360 unceremoniously unseated Playstation as the console of choice.

MS is playing for keeps -- if they keep at it, they will do well. I actually think their Zune Pass is one of the best things out there, even though I don't have a Zune. If they got a few 3rd parties to do a car integration kit (ala Dice) I'd be on board and buy one.

Re:People said the same thing about Xbox failing.. (3, Interesting)

WankersRevenge (452399) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112395)

meh ... bad analogy. I would say Sony really earns the props for the 360 coming in second place. The fact that MS is not in third place considering the fact it was cause of the largest consumer electronics fuckup in US history showed just how bad Sony screwed the pooch. Especially coming off the runaway success of the playstation 2. If Sony wasn't so incompetent, i would imagine that Microsoft would be probably be in a distant third right now with plans on escaping the market.

fiRst po5t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112093)

Still? (1)

hlimethe3rd (879459) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112163)

Zune? They still have those?

Re:Still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112399)

Yes, people are still having Zune [livejournal.com] ... hopefully they are now using condoms.

can't wait .. (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112179)

It's patently obvious that the Zune is the better and most innovative product ever to come out of Redmond, despite Apple launching the iPod in 2001, a full five years before the Zune. And Apple stealing the 'Zune Marketplace' and rebranding it as the iTunes Store .. :)

Seriously: if they don't tie the Zune to the Windows desktop, and make using the other players a jolting experience, then the 'innovation' magic isn't going to work this time. The constant mud slinging at Apple being a reminder as to who they are a worry to.

'dirty Hobbitses, trying to steal my precious! kill Hosbitses'

Re:can't wait .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112241)

It's not the most innovative, but it is far and away a better music player than the Ipod, without the garbage interface taht is Itunes.

Re:can't wait .. (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112307)

Since you're comparing to iTunes then I'll just have to assume the comparison you're making is between iTunes and Windows Media Player. And if you seriously think that the user interface for WMP is better than the iTunes UI then I have a bridge you may be interested in purchasing...

/Mikael

Re:can't wait .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112685)

WMP is NOT the software interface to the Zune Device. You want the Zune Media Player [zune.net] It's a great standalone player also, even if you don't have Zune hardware. The Now Playing screen is just awesome.

Looks Like a Duck (3, Interesting)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112201)

If it looks like an iPod Touch and acts like an iPod Touch but comes from Microsoft, it ain't an iPod Touch.

It must suck to be an engineer at Microsoft. Ignoring the phat paycheck, it must really suck to work for a company that has largely given up on any semblance of innovation and is simply following the lead of other companies. I would imagine that many of their best and brightest are begging to explore some very cool ideas but are being held back by Microsoft's corporate culture... I feel for them...

Actually, they get paid magnitudes more than I do so I don't feel too bad for them...

I think Microsoft does not get it... (3, Insightful)

goffster (1104287) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112211)

I have Mac at home. I want to buy some music.
I do *not* go to Amazon.com or Walmart to buy my music more cheaply. I buy from ITunes because the whole F'ing process is streamlined. I don't have to think.

Re:I think Microsoft does not get it... (0, Redundant)

Kenja (541830) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112337)

I think Apple does not get it...

I want to listen to the radio or MP3s. Till Apple puts a 3$ radio in their 200$ MP3 player I wont be getting one.

Re:I think Microsoft does not get it... (1, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112533)

The point of an MP3 player is to listen to the music you want, when you want to. You don't get that from broadcast radio. Streaming services like Pandora come close. Most radio stations are now streamed on the 'net... with WiFi and 3G connectivity, what the hell do you need an AM/FM receiver for??? Yes, the iTouch doesn't do 3G, but people buy an iTouch for games, not for listening to music.

Re:I think Microsoft does not get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112577)

I don't think that many people miss radio. I used to like radio when there was more than 2 or 3 stations. Lately we have all these conglomerates like "clearchannel" that made me buy an mp3 player. I miss being able to listen to radio. Too bad it barely exists anymore.

Re:I think Microsoft does not get it... (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112435)

I do *not* go to Amazon.com or Walmart to buy my music more cheaply. I download bittorents because the whole F'ing process is streamlined. I don't have to think. Plus, I'm a cheap-ass bastard!

Re:I think Microsoft does not get it... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112601)

I don't have to think.

That's exactly what Apple is counting on. Most people don't consider thinking to be a burden. It's an amusing argument anyway, that choice of where to buy your music and the fact that music you buy from a variety of retailers works, is a bad thing. If you're against consumer choice I guess that explains why you prefer Apple products though.

Open up MTPZ (4, Insightful)

DevVar8++ (744671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112355)

I wish I could get my Zune to work in Ubuntu. Microsoft, please open up MTPZ!

HD Output? (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112363)

480x272 is 'HD Output'? Surely they are joking. Or maybe they've somehow made it so your speakers/headphones work better magically, and they mean HD audio output.

Re:HD Output? (1)

Z_A_Commando (991404) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112539)

Read the fine print in TFA. You can store HD videos on the Zune. It will automatically down-convert them to 480x272. If you have an HD docking station (not described yet and sold separately) you can output at 720p straight to an HDTV from the Zune.

Throw away my iPod Touch and buy a Zune HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28112379)

I can hardly wait.

Not!

You can get it in any color you want... (3, Funny)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112417)

... as long as it's brown.

Really Microsoft? (1)

WalletBoy (555942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112525)

Is that the best you can do? Do you really have the word "More" and its associated icon clipped on your products' main screen as shown on your official home product page? You couldn't at least make it so the home screen isn't clipped in all of your publicity photos?

Microsoft App Store - Lame. (2, Funny)

EMB Numbers (934125) | more than 5 years ago | (#28112615)

Smaller screen than an iPod Touch, Windows CE, Microsoft App Store - Lame.

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