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Asus Slaps Linux In the Face

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the et-tu-asus dept.

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vigmeister writes "From Techgeist, 'Linux just got a major slap in the face today from Asus. One of the highlights of Linux going mainstream was the wildly popular Asus Eee PC preinstalled with a customized Linux distro geared towards web applications. While I personally never got what the big deal was, I was still happy for all the Linux people out there waiting for this day, but it looks like the cause for celebration won't be lasting much longer. Asus and Microsoft have teamed up and have made a site called 'It's Better With Windows.' The page touts how easy it is to get up and ready with Windows on an Asus Eee PC, while slyly stating that you won't have to deal with an 'unfamiliar environment' and 'major compatibility issues.' While it is silly to state such a thing since Asus built the Linux distribution specifically for the Eee PC, I give Microsoft two points for snarky comments.'"

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644 comments

hey Asus (-1, Troll)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121697)

fuck you! i wont be buying your products anymore. i can squeeze a few more years out of that old thinkpad.

Re:hey Asus (4, Informative)

nschubach (922175) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121835)

They definitely lost sales from me... and I regularly buy motherboards from them.

Re:hey Asus (5, Insightful)

yanyan (302849) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122125)

I love Asus motherboards and hardware. That said, the site looks very fishy to me. It doesn't look "professional" at all. The Asus and Micro$hit websites look really polished and complex. Itsbetterwithwindoze looks like an attempt to start a new flamewar between the M$ and OSS camps while putting Asus in the middle of the crossfire.

Re:hey Asus (3, Insightful)

scumdamn (82357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121895)

Asus is just doing this to make a buck selling the EE PCs that have Windows on them. They'll still sell the Linux ones but they're expanding the market to Windows-only people who are afraid of Linux. And they're likely getting some marketing dollars from Microsoft to do this as well. Sucks that the company is "disloyal" but the libertarians among us should be happy that the free market is working so well. Asus is just following their profit motive and doing what comes naturally as distasteful as it is.

Re:hey Asus (4, Insightful)

x2A (858210) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122017)

"Sucks that the company is "disloyal""

Well those two words have never been uttered in succession before... and never will again!

I don't know what people are getting so upset for, it's just marketting, it doesn't mean anything. It's not like they're gonna be saying on their linux pages "but you'll prob want the windows version, cuz this one's shit"... no, their linux page is gonna be bigging up their linux product (presumably, I cba to look). Is like when a waiter says "excellent choice sir" when you choose the soup, the guy who cooks the chicken isn't gonna pipe up and say "what's wrong with the chicken?!". Everything is better than everything else, depending on what you're looking at.

Re:hey Asus (4, Interesting)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122133)

... it's just marketing....

There are some people that would like to take an organization's word for what the words mean. Asus made their own cut of Linux to work with the Eee and now they've caved to Microsoft pressure to eat their own words. Worse, it's a lie.

The integrity of such an organization then becomes suspect, as if they lied about this, then what else did they lie about? Trust is broken. And we then know them for what they are: an organization that will capitulate, lie, send mixed messages, all in the names of sales desparation. Too bad about Asus....

Re:hey Asus (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122237)

the libertarians among us should be happy that the free market is working so well.

Lies and slander from large corporations always seems to male Libertarians happy, yeah.

Re:hey Asus (3, Insightful)

lwriemen (763666) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121989)

Hope you bought your Thinkpad used; IBM's PC division has always been in bed with Microsoft, and I doubt Lenovo is any better. This is just more of the golden rule, "He, who has the gold, makes the rules." in action; it will continue as long as Microsoft maintains it's ill-gotten monopoly.

my cock slaps you in the face (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121709)

I first post while you suck the cum out of my cock, fondle my balls, and eat my asshole.

Meh (5, Insightful)

SchizoStatic (1413201) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121715)

Meh. I'll just install linux over the windows install as usual.

Re:Meh (5, Informative)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121743)

And make sure you demand your Windows Tax Refund - however little you manage to claw back from them, it'll still cost Asus extra to process the refund.

Re:Meh (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122081)

My time is not free. The amount of time and effort required to claw back $15 is not worth it.

Re:Meh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122123)

Then you are obviously not a Linux user to begin with.

Re:Meh (1)

cs96and (896123) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122131)

What about the time and effort you spent replacing windows with linux?

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122149)

Yeah, that'll show them.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121811)

I installed Linux over the Linux install that came with my Acer Aspire One. So yeah, it doesn't really matter what the laptop ships with - unless the Linux version is cheaper than the Windows version. If the price is the same, I'll take the Windows license just in case I have a need for it.
.
Of course for the "average user" it's a completely different matter.

AKA Marketing (-1, Offtopic)

jo42 (227475) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121725)

"Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies
(tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)"

AKA Politics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122193)

"Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies (tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)"

That's a damn shame (4, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121727)

I thought it was already pretty easy to "get up and ready" with my EeePC. Well, Asus will have to live with their decision.

My next motherboard will be a Gigabyte.

Re:That's a damn shame (5, Insightful)

al3 (1285708) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122051)

This website is such a hack-job. I can't believe MS or Asus was involved. The video player is FlowPlayer, the tracking uses Google Analytics, the fonts are all wrong for a MS job. There's no copyright, disclaimer, contact. Nothing. I call bullshit.

That, and I don't believe MS would be encouraging people to use XP with Vista taking so much heat and Windows 7 just on the horizon.

Re:That's a damn shame (1)

Genwil (943858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122085)

I agree. This is from 123 Fake St.

Re:That's a damn shame (2, Informative)

ciderVisor (1318765) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122129)

It's linked from Asus's own website [asus.co.uk] .

"It's better with Windows®

The Eee PC(TM) 1008HA comes pre-loaded with Microsoft Windows XP Home and Microsoft Works. With Windows® XP, you can be sure that your Eee PC(TM) will be compatible with your existing Windows applications and devices. Windows® XP is also easy to use and delivers a dependable experience that Microsoft and a worldwide community of partners stand behind. Visit www.ItsBetterwithWindows.com to find out more."

I agree. This is from 123 Fake St.

Fail.

Re:That's a damn shame (1)

al3 (1285708) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122157)

Then, wow. What a hack-job website Asus put together.

Re:That's a damn shame (1)

yanyan (302849) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122161)

+1. Slashdot has been trolled again.

Re:That's a damn shame (5, Insightful)

alienunknown (1279178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122179)

I just looked at the sites registration details and it looks even more sus. Microsoft and Asus register a domain name with godaddy to an individual and not a company?

I agree with you, I think its bullshit.

How much money changed hands? (4, Insightful)

gtall (79522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121733)

It is difficult to believe that Asus did this out of love for Redmond. I wonder how much MS paid for this special treatment, or did they threaten Asus with higher prices?

Re:How much money changed hands? (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121773)

It is difficult to believe that Asus did this out of love for Redmond. I wonder how much MS paid for this special treatment, or did they threaten Asus with higher prices?

I still don't see any conclusive evidence thi was Asus' work. I think your anger should be directed at Microsoft. I can't prove it for sure but the whois of this domain itsbetterwithwindows.com [domaintools.com] reads:

Registrant:
Michael Sharp
12932 SE Kent-Kangley Rd.
Box 238
Kent, Washington 98030
United States

Domain Name: ITSBETTERWITHWINDOWS.COM
Created on: 05-Dec-08
Expires on: 05-Dec-09
Last Updated on: 05-Dec-08

And so we put it in the same state as Washington. Now, I'm guessing this is a PR company and we have a perfect match of Arbirtron Ad agency listing Michael Sharp as Manager, Agency & Advertiser Services for several different regions of the US [arbitron.com] .

Ok, from there if you google Arbitron Asus [google.com] and Arbitron Microsoft [google.com] you come up with two very juicy powerpoints from Microsoft on Arbitron's site.

I would put my guess at 95% that this is a Microsoft run and funded site with little to do with Asus other than get their permission.

Re:How much money changed hands? (1)

camcorder (759720) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121851)

You don't need that much hassle to realize it's Microsoft marketting. Only one that will get benefit from pre-installed windows-xp is Microsoft, not Asus. It's less likely that market for Asus EEE PC is capped because of OS.

Re:How much money changed hands? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121965)

Without this kind of investigation, you "knowing" who's behind the campaign is nothing more than zealous speculation to non-fanboys. Backing it up with a simple trail from the real world means it can be added to the list of MS's anti-linux propaganda campaigns, and increase the awareness of the companies doing their dirty work.

Re:How much money changed hands? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122029)

The site and the code don't even identify the owner. There is no copyright notice. It looks too amateurish to be from either MSFT or Asus.

Mod parent up! (1)

publicworker (701313) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121873)

Nice little detective work. And I must say that there is no indication on itsbetterwithwindows.com that this is sponsored by ASUS. So give me proof instead of inflammatory headlines! (but of course this is slashdot, blah, blah, blah)

Re:Mod parent up! (4, Informative)

koiransuklaa (1502579) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121971)

I can't imagine why it would be sponsored by Asus but they certainly link to it: http://www.asus.co.uk/eeepc/1008HA/features.html [asus.co.uk]

Re:Mod parent up! (1)

publicworker (701313) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122075)

Ok that's just not nice - yuck! Bad ASUS!

Also a Michael Sharp at Microsoft (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121913)

And so we put it in the same state as Washington. Now, I'm guessing this is a PR company and we have a perfect match of Arbitron Ad agency listing Michael Sharp as Manager, Agency & Advertiser Services for several different regions of the US. Ok, from there if you google Arbitron Asus and Arbitron Microsoft you come up with two very juicy powerpoints from Microsoft on Arbitron's site.

I just noticed those two powerpoints only come up because they're Microsoft Powerpoints so that's not a very strong link.

But that linking is probably unnecessary considering I just found this bio on Microsoft [microsoft.com] of a Michael Sharp as Director with the Information Security Team. Yes, it's a pretty common name but I'm pretty sure this ad work reeks of Microsoft and not Asus.

Re:Also a Michael Sharp at Microsoft (1)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121981)

Seriously? You're linking this in your mind because there's two people with the same name? Microsoft hire so many people I bet there's dozens of Michael Sharp's emplyed.

Please, put your tin-foil hat back on. You're spilling crazy all over the carpet.

Re:Also a Michael Sharp at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122047)

Please, put your tin-foil hat back on. You're spilling crazy all over the carpet.

Wow, you've certainly convinced me that Microsoft has nothing to do with this ad.

Michael Sharp is a common name but:

site:asus.com "michael sharp" [google.com]
site:microsoft.com "michael sharp" [google.com]

Conclusive? Not at all. A good indication? In my opinion, yes. Considering no evidence toward Asus with no logical reason for Asus to make this ad (are they going to sell more by stirring this up?) I would say it's most likely Microsoft's work.

Re:Also a Michael Sharp at Microsoft (1)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122145)

Wow, you've certainly convinced me that Microsoft has nothing to do with this ad.

Since that wasn't my intention I have no feelings about this statement. My intention was to highlight the extremely weak, borderline ridiculous link the OP was making between MS, Asus and this web page.

Michael Sharp is a common name but: --SNIP-- Conclusive? Not at all. A good indication? In my opinion, yes. Considering no evidence toward Asus with no logical reason for Asus to make this ad (are they going to sell more by stirring this up?) I would say it's most likely Microsoft's work.

One of your links doesn't even work. You laughably say there's no evidence this is the work of Asus, then totally contrdaict your point by citing this as evidence that it's "probably" Microsoft. And yes, Asus could conceivably sell more through this web page since they're targetting the much wider user-base of Windows users.

Re:How much money changed hands? (5, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121941)

And so we put it in the same state as Washington. Now, I'm guessing this is a PR company and we have a perfect match of Arbirtron Ad agency listing Michael Sharp as Manager, Agency & Advertiser Services for several different regions of the US [arbitron.com].

Excellent work.

Now can you do something about the Lindbergh Kidnapping?

Re:How much money changed hands? (5, Insightful)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121947)

Ok, from there if you google Arbitron Asus [google.com] and Arbitron Microsoft [google.com] you come up with two very juicy powerpoints from Microsoft on Arbitron's site.

Errr, where exactly? I see a couple of Powerpoint links on Google. Newsflash - all Powerpoint files linked on Google say "Microsoft" next to them because that's who made Powerpoint. Neither of the presentations actually seem to be from, to or about Microsoft.

Re:How much money changed hands? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122141)

Ok, from there if you google Arbitron Asus [google.com] and Arbitron Microsoft [google.com] you come up with two very juicy powerpoints from Microsoft on Arbitron's site.

Errr, where exactly? I see a couple of Powerpoint links on Google. Newsflash - all Powerpoint files linked on Google say "Microsoft" next to them because that's who made Powerpoint. Neither of the presentations actually seem to be from, to or about Microsoft.

Grandparent caught that mistake and pointed it out here [slashdot.org] 3 minutes before your post.

Re:How much money changed hands? (1)

majorme (515104) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121797)

I assume MS offered to help them with future support, custom versions of Windows for specific Asus configurations and such. I don't think they promised any cash or have threatened Asus with higher prices. That would be utterly stupid.

Re:How much money changed hands? (1)

MrMr (219533) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121887)

I see no grounds for such an assumption. The whole domain and everything on it appears to originate from WA.
Involvement of Asus in this is completely speculative as far as I can see.

Re:How much money changed hands? (1)

readthemall (1531267) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121821)

Money / Pink Floyd

Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay and your O.K.
Money it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think I'll buy me a football team
Money get back
I'm all right Jack keep your hands off my stack.
Money it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody good bullshit
I'm in the hi-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a Lear jet
Money it's a crime
Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie
Money so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a rise it's no surprise that they're
giving none away

I agree (5, Funny)

ciderVisor (1318765) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121735)

It is better with Windows.

Re:I agree (2, Funny)

Undy (1506127) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121839)

Define "it"

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121847)

It is better with Windows.

Maybe now it is, but the original eeepc, with a 800x480 screen was not.

Asus couldn't have bought out the original eeepc without linux. XP on that resolution? Back then?

Re:I agree (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121861)

...and a cup of coffee and a rocking chair just beside it, admiring the morning sun.

Re:I agree (1)

Zashi (992673) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121875)

An MS troll on slashdot with a karma bonus? Now I've seen everything.

(And I mean no slights against parent, just /.ers in general)

Re:I agree (1, Funny)

ciderVisor (1318765) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122037)

My sig is a joke. This thread was too good an opportunity to waste. Hopefully someone will be clued up enough to mod me funny.

Re:I agree (3, Funny)

SpamBot 0wner (1564209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121929)

Everything works better with Windows. And the best part is, the built-in Windows Defender and Windows Firewall mean that you don't need to buy a separate anti-virus or personal firewall application like you would for some toy OS that didn't have those built in.

Re:I agree (4, Funny)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122187)

I'd rather use an OS that doesn't have a security model that resemble Swiss cheese requiring that it ship with an anti-virus application.

Can you say "Bought by Microsoft"? (5, Insightful)

Terje Mathisen (128806) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121753)

This might actually make sense economically for ASUS:

_Maybe_ less support calls.

_Very deep_ discounts/kickbacks from Microsoft.

Personally I am very glad that I got the Linux version of my Eee PC 901: More flash disk and more ram, for a little less money.
Currently I run the latest Ubuntu Netbook remix, and I'm very happy with it. The last time I booted it into XP must have been during Easter, to debug a Windows problem.

Terje

There is no "Linux" (0, Flamebait)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121755)

Linux is a concept. It's a theory. It's a dream. That's what makes it so powerful.

And it's also what makes it so frustrating for anyone who wants to see it succeed. What is success for an Open Source project? A child learning to walk takes the first step and the parents celebrate the moment, but what is that first step if nothing more than the first of countless more steps?

So what is Linux success? Is it dominating Windows? Domination of Windows is a worthy goal, but there is no one behind Linux to make that a reality. There is Ubuntu, sure. And RedHat. And MontaVista. And IBM. But are they behind Linux? No, they are out for themselves. Linux is the vehicle which they believe will take them where they want to go.

When Asus says they want to use Windows, let them. No skin off our backs.

Re:There is no "Linux" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121849)

IMO, success for Linux is no longer having to deal with vendor bullshit. "Oh sorry, yeah, no you can't use our product because you don't run a real OS" type bullshit. The numbers game is nothing but an abstraction of this. If Linux was treated equally by vendors, very few people would care how man people used it, (The people who do are those people called in to do jizz mopping on other people's infected windows computers.) but we recognize that we're only going to get an equal share from vendors if we put up the numbers.

Re:There is no "Linux" (1)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122025)

Linux will be treated equally by vendors when targetting Linux isn't:

(1.) A moving target. Ubuntu has two large releases with completely different packages a year. That's good for keeping the pace of development high, but compare that with Mac OS X: a major release every 18 months or so, and Windows: a major release every 3 years or so.
(2.) A deeply fractured target. Sure, let's say Linux actually does have 5% desktop marketshare. What is that, 60% Ubuntu, 30% Fedora, 10% everyone else? That's optimistic. Ubuntu is a gateway drug, heh, and it tends to get users to be willing to try other distros. I probably wouldn't put Ubuntu at more than 33%. Targetting "Linux" is close to meaningless.

Until someone, hopefully Linus or someone influential and benignly dictatorial, steps up and makes -the- Linux distribution, with a standard feature set, updated every 12 months or on a slightly longer timeframe, and a highly backward compatible API... Vendors will not treat Linux the same. It won't happen.

Re:There is no "Linux" (1)

Dunkirk (238653) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122211)

Well, they _could_ target something like SuSE's desktop, or Ubuntu's LTS.

Re:There is no "Linux" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121897)

Linux is a concept. It's a theory. It's a dream.

I think ``kernel'' is the word you were looking for. Nice try though.

Re:There is no "Linux" (1)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121915)

So what is Linux success? Is it dominating Windows?

See Ubuntu bug #1 [launchpad.net]

Re:There is no "Linux" (1)

jsiren (886858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121999)

I'd say Linux was a success here: it allowed Asus to market very low-cost netbooks, creating a new market in the process. Computers (and cars) have a tendency to bulk up, so when faced with competition in a situation where specs were no longer a limiting factor, familiarity to the average user became a more pressing need than the lowest possible price - therefore Windows is a more relevant choice of OS. I think the logic is that it's easier for those who want Linux to install it themselves over Windows than for those who want Windows to install it over Linux.

Then again, technically it would be possible to include both configurations, and have the user pick one at first boot.

Re:There is no "Linux" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122203)

Then again, technically it would be possible to include both configurations, and have the user pick one at first boot.

Red! No wait, blue! AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGHH!

Re:There is no "Linux" (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122031)

GCC doesn't have anybody behind it either. It is now, I think most would admit the #2 compiler after the .NET compiler.

Apache had a group about the same size and it is arguably in first place.

Linux is clearly successful in the server and embedded markets.

Success means at the very least that desktop purchasers see it as an option and actively decide for or against it in a meaningful way.

troll maybe? (1)

H.G.Blob (1550325) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121783)

The story broke on reddit a few days ago and someone pointed to the whois for the domain, which kinda looks like a troll. At least the hotmail address looks strange.

Michael Sharp 12932 SE Kent-Kangley Rd. Box 238 Kent, Washington 98030 United States Administrative Contact: Sharp, Michael rdcpro@hotmail.com 12932 SE Kent-Kangley Rd. Box 238 Kent, Washington 98030 United States (877) 788-8066 Fax --

Re:troll maybe? (1)

moj0e (812361) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121859)

The story broke on reddit a few days ago and someone pointed to the whois for the domain, which kinda looks like a troll. At least the hotmail address looks strange.

I think I will second that opinion, the quality of the video is way greater than the quality of the website. Plus, Microsoft or Asus doesn't appear to link to that website.

Re:troll maybe? (1)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121907)

I also never saw a Microsoft-made website with such poor graphic design. We can see the very hard JPG compression, and nothing but a video. No clickable link and no truly supported arguments.

If it is really a MS / ASUS initiative, it's a very poor one...

Customer lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121787)

Well then,

that's me never buying an Asus product again, unless it's so exceptional I really have to have it (that's
fanatism combined with a bit of practicality :P).

Now I'm definitely going to buy one! (4, Interesting)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121793)

Just so that I can cost the bastards some money by demanding a Windows Refund [linux.com] on it.

Re:Now I'm definitely going to buy one! (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121953)

I didn't RTA, but the summary makes no mention of them dropping the Linux version, just going out of their way to say that they think that the Windows version is better, and I'm pretty sure I would be accurate in my guess as to where the funding for that campaign is coming from.

Assuming that you can buy the same version with Windows as you can without(*) then I don't think you'll get your refund.

(*) I'm not necessarily sure that you can though. If you could, it would be immediately obvious to everyone what the cost (for certain values of 'cost') of windows actually is. I suspect that the Windows version will have a slightly different amount of memory, a slightly different CPU, or some other slight difference to mask the price difference between the windows and Linux versions...

Really? (1)

mokus000 (1491841) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121803)

How do we know Asus and Microsoft, were both involved, other than the article's assertion?

Re:Really? (1)

mokus000 (1491841) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121817)

Ugh, I, have, too, many, commas, !

Didn't plan on buying another Asus EEE anyway (4, Interesting)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121813)

Don't get me wrong, I like my EEE but Asus completely screwed up. The interface was poor, the updates were rubbish and in fact some of the updates would break it. It's quite possibly the worst Linux distro I've seen. I might as well buy a normal smallish laptop with an SSD as I still have to uninstall the OS and put my own on with an EEE.

In a way their Linux distro is more of a slap in the face for Linux than not using Linux.

I've had much better luck since putting my own instance of Ubuntu onto the machine which I prefer much more than I would Windows or that custom Xandros OS.

Re:Didn't plan on buying another Asus EEE anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121937)

So I guess you won't have to deal with an "unfamiliar environment" and "major compatibility issues' with the new MS system.

True enough.

Re:Didn't plan on buying another Asus EEE anyway (1, Interesting)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121969)

I've got the Windows 7 Beta on my (originally Linux) eee 901. I got it second hand from someone who'd wiped the stock linux for a (dodgy) XP install, so I've never seen the original linux distro. From what I've heard, I don't want too.

It's a tough call between putting Ubuntu or Windows 7 on it once the 7 beta expires though.

Re:Didn't plan on buying another Asus EEE anyway (1)

jimand (517224) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121985)

I totally agree. I got my EEE in February and the included OS (Xandros) was running Firefox 2.10 and could only be updated using a command line, plus lots of other minor annoyances. Xandros hadn't upgraded their repository to Firefox 3 yet. If they can't keep FF up-to-date they I didn't have much hope for any of the other included packages.

I'm now running Easy Peasy 1.1 have access to all the Ubuntu packages. I haven't tried it but I assume the Ubuntu Netbook remix would be just as good.

Dear Linux fans, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121819)

...stop being such whiny cunts.

Love,
That percentage of the world that doesn't want to have to compile an OS and install a virtual box just to fucking play Half-Life.

Deal, Linux Fan Hater (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121903)

... stop being such a sanctimonious fuck. We didn't write the article, and most of us really don't give a shit.

Love,
That percentage of the world that doesn't care about playing fucking Half-Life.

Re:Dear Linux fans, (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122055)

...stop being such whiny cunts.

Love,
That percentage of the world that doesn't want to have to compile an OS and install a virtual box just to fucking play Half-Life.

Dear Microsoft employee
Please build an OS that does not suck.

Love
The percentage of the population that did not get infected with Conficker.

US Fanboys are still archaic (3, Interesting)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121825)

This isn't the end of the world. Can't we all realise that there's a market for both Windows and Linux?

Those who want Windows on their netbook can buy it, those who don't can buy Linux. See?

Ultimately this is business, and it ain't pretty.

Re:US Fanboys are still archaic (1)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121857)

That was supposed to be Us, not US

Re:US Fanboys are still archaic (1)

mokus000 (1491841) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121935)

The original was funnier, in light of your nick ;-)

(BTW, it was *really* supposed to be "We")

Re:US Fanboys are still archaic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122009)

Oh fuck off.

You could have a point 2 years ago, but now that linux netbooks disappeared from the market, nobody can "buy linux".

And don't point me to companies like system76 either, because they only operate in the US.

Why bother? (1)

hansraj (458504) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121827)

Despite my desire to see Linux being the most popular OS, I fail to see why it should be so worrying to see that MS keeps using what seem to be underhanded deals to keep Linux away from the market. After all, it is not like Linux hasn't been making great progress in spite of a small userbase. Things have come a long way since I started using it around the beginning of the century; I don't have to fiddle with my machine everytime I want to try a new distro; all major distros look quite polished and mature, etc.

Perhaps it is a blessing in disguise to not have "familiarity" as the most important feature of the OS for Linux. Developers can decide to go with the completely radical way of doing thing (Sure it does not happen that often, but with a larger userbase even the possibility would become a challenge).

Flame War (1)

Crock23A (1124275) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121829)

Flame war in...

3

2

......

[beep]

calm down fanboy. (4, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121831)

ill probably see a trollmod for this, but what the hey. this article isnt really news at all, as corporations have been keen to align themselves with the market leader for centuries. this is no different.

its still a computer
it still has an option to install an operating system
you can still order an ASUS with linux preinstalled
windows can be returned for a refund
there are market alternatives.

and just because a corporation appears to align itself with your ideals and interests doesnt mean it likes you or said ideals...its just business.

didnt they do this from the beginning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121843)

the two versions were never alike.
Linux was always heavily locked down ( I was told by the sales assistant) to prevent poeple from messing it up.

Question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121883)

So what is an Eee PC?

Blame Microsoft (1)

Shrike82 (1471633) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121889)

Not exactly a well researched or even factual story this, even for /.

A quick check of the domain registry [networksolutions.com] shows that the site isn't owned by either Microsoft or Asus. In fact it appears to be some kind of ad agency, probably hired to increase sales of Asus equipment for a third party.

Don't let me stop the conspiracy theories though. I suppose the site is badly designed, looks awful and doesn't actually do anything useful deliberately? Perhaps to instil doubt as to whether such a large and evil corporation would actually publish a web page as crap as this? Microsoft do a lot of stupid crap but I don't think you can blame this on them. I'm sure plenty will continue to do so though.

I will Continue to Buy Asus (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28121949)

Because nothing is sweeter then fanboy tears.

-Calbrenar

Asus screwed up (5, Interesting)

wally0623 (1564211) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121955)

I was introduced to the eeePc when a friend bought one. It came with their version of Linux installed and he called me for help. I have been almost exclusively Linux since the early on and I was literally unable to help him. We were on the phone and with the graphical shell they put on the Asus, he couldn't find anything. He got frustrated and installed Windows. He ran for a short time before he screwed up Windows. At that point, he brought his Asus over and I installed eeebuntu. It has been a love affair ever since. I even offered to make his machine dual boot and was turned down. Now I have my own Asus running eeebuntu.

Re:Asus screwed up (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122089)

So windows is better than the Distro that it came with ... but a "proper" Linux distro is better than windows ....

So maybe the site is right? (ducks and flees ....)

Wow, unbelievable (1)

CXI (46706) | more than 5 years ago | (#28121967)

Check it out, a company has a marketing campaign, and you heard it first here on Slashdot! Oh, wait, no you heard it first on Techgeist, but they got it from a forum somewhere so... where was I going with this? Oh, yeah, did I mention Microsoft was evil? It said so in a blog I read once, when I wasn't reading actual important news stories that have content and meaning.

Need More Spin (1)

rliden (1473185) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122013)

This should be posted in the "Need More Spin" category. I don't see how Microsoft funding a marketing campaign targeted at a threatening competitor (Linux) is really news. In fact, it's not so different from techgeist.com creating an inflamatory article with some spin on it to generate clicks. I guess everyone has to make money.

Re: (0)

clint999 (1277046) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122033)

Not exactly a well researched or even factual story this, even for /. A quick check of the domain registry shows that the site isn't owned by either Microsoft or Asus. In fact it appears to be some kind of ad agency, probably hired to increase sales of Asus equipment for a third party. Don't let me stop the conspiracy theories though. I suppose the site is badly designed, looks awful and doesn't actually do anything useful deliberately? Perhaps to instil doubt as to whether such a large and evil corpora

unfamiliar environment, major compatibility issues (3, Insightful)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122041)

Also excellent reasons not to use Vista and Windows 7.

Well...... (3, Insightful)

Random2 (1412773) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122043)

Just make sure this isn't a ploy by Micro$oft to push the Linux fans away from a company that supports them.

it's not so much compatibility with whats in box (0)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122059)

As compatibility with other stuff. On a windows netbook you can run the same software on your desktop (resources permitting of course but office should be fine as should quite a bit of internal and specialist software and some older games). Without too much messing arround you can use any cheapshit printer you pick up in a big chain, any mobile broadband dongle and so on.

They still don't get it! (1)

yoshi_mon (172895) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122071)

These tech writers just don't seem to get it. They are treating FOSS as if it is a corporation that has some master plan. Granted there are parts of FOSS groups that have plans. Canonical or RH have goals that they want to do but 'Linux' or the FOSS idea works on different overall principals than deals with hardware vendors.

Of course writing about all that nuance would require actual thought and work so...

worse than religion (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122077)

I'm sure Linux is a fine OS, but why force the world to adopt it?

Be happy with your free OS and move on. Don't bother trying to convert me. You guys are worse than a cult.

sketchy (1, Troll)

ekyle (1564225) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122083)

I don't know. The whois says that domain is registered to GoDaddy... Last I checked MS and Asus owned their own domains. It doesn't seem legitimate to me...

While I'm a fan of Linux I have installed the Windows 7 RC on both my primary desktop and my EEE recently and it is working wonderfully. Finally MS will release a decent OS.

Re:sketchy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28122171)

please mod parent troll.

Nearly there.... (1)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 5 years ago | (#28122189)

Got rid of Linux...

Now why not get rid of the Eee altogether.

I sat through nearly all that rubbish and there is nothing that they were doing that I can't do on my phone (And I've got a 2 year old SE k610i).

Oh wait! I couldn't run Microsoft Works....

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