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Google's "Wave" Blurs Chat, Email, Collaboration Software

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the you-may-be-thinking-of-shimmer-floor-polish dept.

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superglaze writes "Google has unveiled a distributed, P2P-based collaboration and conversation platform called Wave. Developers are being invited to join an open source project that has been formed to create a Google Wave Federation Protocol, which will underlie the system. Anyone will be able to create a 'wave,' which is a type of hosted conversation, Google has said. Waves will essentially incorporate real-time dialogue, photos, videos, maps, documents and other information forms within a single, shared communications space. Developers can also work on embedding waves into websites, or creating multimedia robots and gadgets that can be incorporated within the Google Wave client." Jamie points out this more informative link.

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first (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28128411)

The first "wave" created? "Hello world!"

Re:first (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128555)

Would be great if Google had added encryption into the protocol by default, it would make it so much better. Its a nice step to P2P the chat network, but its just stupid to send all the conversation unencrypted specifically in corporate situations.

Muddying the waters... (5, Interesting)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128717)

I get the feeling this could blur quite a few distinctions regarding protocol-based traffic monitoring (shaping, legal persecution, etc.). What if some dastardly person occasionally put a video stream or audio stream into the workspace, for instance...

Re:first (5, Informative)

GreyLurk (35139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129011)

From my reading, they're requiring TLS on the XMPP stream, which pretty well covers encryption.

Re:first (5, Informative)

sam.thorogood (979334) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129249)

TLS sounds about right. The protocol also provides a verification protocol (see http://waveprotocol.org/ [waveprotocol.org]), so actions performed by any participant in a hosted conversation can always be verified by other participants in that hosted conversation, regardless of their provider. What this means for you: encryption (TLS), and your contributions can't be tampered with.

PFS and deniable encryption (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28130767)

TLS sounds about right.

The protocol also provides a verification protocol (see http://waveprotocol.org/ [waveprotocol.org]), so actions performed by any participant in a hosted conversation can always be verified by other participants in that hosted conversation, regardless of their provider.

What this means for you: encryption (TLS), and your contributions can't be tampered with.

What about PFS and deniable encryption so things can't be used against you in the future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_forward_secrecy

html 5 and encryption? (2, Funny)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129223)

Note that this app uses (or going to use) HTML 5. Not sure if it already contains a tag for encryption.

Re:html 5 and encryption? (5, Funny)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131525)

yeah, with HTML5, encryption is easy. You just surround any content you want encrypted with <secure>credit card number goes here</secure> and the magic of HTML does the rest!

Re:html 5 and encryption? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28132179)

Seriously mods this was sarcastic, not informative ...

First one to Make a Lame Wave Joke Loses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28128421)

Come on, you can do better then 90% of the Tech Journalists

Re:First one to Make a Lame Wave Joke Loses (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28128601)

How about this: I fisted your mom in her dog-anus. The bitch loved it!

I think my chainsaw may be racist. It goes "RunnnnnnNIGGAniggaNIGGAniggaNIGGAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa!" when I start it up.

KNIG KNOG == KING KONG.

The Python programming language, like majoring in linguistics, is just a fad. Just like getting knocked up was a fad last year.

DOG DICKS.

Re:First one to Make a Lame Wave Joke Loses (1)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130249)

I find it kind of odd that they call it the wave. Maybe its inspiration is from the TV movie [imdb.com] of the same name?

Hopefully their motto won't be "strength through community."

Re:First one to Make a Lame Wave Joke Loses (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131047)

Judging by the tags, and because it would be awesome, I'm going to say it's more like Firefly.

Re:First one to Make a Lame Wave Joke Loses (1)

professorflipwig (1420413) | more than 4 years ago | (#28133425)

We will end up with a history teacher making one of these things and using it to emulate Nazi Germany in the classroom without the students' knowlage.

Windows Only? (1, Troll)

AppleOSuX (1080499) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128437)

They always release their software for Windows first. Will this be the same? I wonder...

Re:Windows Only? (2, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128835)

Since Google's stock price peaked at $700 (give or take) and is currently $400 (give or take), they're a boring company now. Make sense for them to release software on boring Windows rather than cool Mac. :P

Re:Windows Only? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28130151)

Mods have no sense of humor whatsoever today. Maybe they're Google shareholders. :P

Re:Windows Only? (4, Informative)

Zarel (900479) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131283)

They always release their software for Windows first. Will this be the same? I wonder...

Considering Wave is an online service, it would be pretty difficult for them to make it Windows-only. None of Google's other Web pages are Windows-only.

Perfect... (4, Insightful)

GypC (7592) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128491)

for PNP RPGs!!! I'm going to write a dice throwing app. God, I'm a nerd. :-\

Re:Perfect... (5, Funny)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129621)

Pride 'N Prejudice RPGs? I wanna be Mr. Collins he had his choice of babes.

Re:Perfect... (1)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130983)

I'll play as Mr. Darcy, as babes choose him consistently over Mr. Collins, and he has a job.

Re:Perfect... (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 4 years ago | (#28133495)

Please, Mr. Darcy was a gentleman and would never stoop to dirtying his hands with a "job". Otherwise, what's the point of owning land and waiting for your titled Aunt to die and make you a Lord?

Now pardon me as I go fondle my wife's breasts to banish the ghey that's creeping out of this thread. ;)

Public warning (5, Funny)

suffix tree monkey (1430749) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128503)

Make the client Windows-only again and you'll feel my wrath!

(Reply by Google: What are you going to do, quit gmail? Ouch! )

Re:Public warning (2, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129523)

Make the client Windows-only again and you'll feel my wrath!

(Reply by Google: We know where you live. )

Fixed that for you.

Re:Public warning (5, Funny)

monkeyboythom (796957) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130095)

Make the client Windows-only again and you'll feel my wrath!

(Reply by Google: We know what porn you look at. )

There. Really fixed.

Re:Public warning (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28132549)

Actually, you did fix it.

Google tracks you online.

Google knows what you watch, what you read, what medical conditions you search on, reads the emails you send to your mom, knows where you live and what color frisbee is stuck on your roof, and soon will track every phone call you make from the gphone.

Replace "google" with "the feds" and I bet we'd all... oh, no, nevermind, I just remembered, we all trust big corporations...

Re:Public warning (1)

cl0s (1322587) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129923)

Also if you're referring to the Google video/voice chat which isn't available on Linux browsers. Its available, and works even better in Empathy (Gnome's voip/chat client).

Re:Public warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28133373)

Make me write 10k+ line programs in jscript and you'll feel mine!!!

Federation Protocol != Non-interference directive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28128573)

Speaking personally, I think "they" (Google) will always own the word in their minds, in the sense that "they" will continue to use it with a negative connotation attached. No amount of cultural shift will affect the meaning that "they" will personally ascribe to it. What will change, I believe, is mass-culture's perception of the word. The negativity will be sucked out of it by the tides of the young and the tolerant. People like yourself will voice yourselves less cautiously, and will be listened to more openly. But it isn't going to be easy, and it will often come at a mental/emotional/physical cost. People's notions of self and identity are wrapped up in words like 'atheist' and 'believer,' and many of those people will continue to be threatened by a destabilization in what they consider to be 'family values.' Or, on the other side, will continue to feel frustrated and fenced in by an intolerant larger culture - all as we make slow but visible strides toward a more socially accepting, yet individually hyper-critical, society. In other words: Business as usual.

(Just my two cents)

Re:Federation Protocol != Non-interference directi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28128697)

Maybe increasing your medication would help?

Re:Federation Protocol != Non-interference directi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28129625)

Just paint his roof white.

Re:Federation Protocol != Non-interference directi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28133359)

Alright, I'm painting. But, WTF did he SAY?!?

If you read it for the comments (1)

BurzumNazgul (1163509) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128611)

This makes a lot of sense for those of us that read the news for the comments. I'm looking at you /.ers (ps i love reading comments too!)

Groove ? (3, Insightful)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128693)

Somehow I can't shake the feeling that this is a similar product as 'Groove' from a few years back...

Re:Groove ? (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129537)

Sure but if google does it maybe it won't suck. At least we can be fairly sure it won't get bought out by Microsoft. Which, IIRC, is when the major suck set into groove.

Re:Groove ? (4, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131277)

I think that real-time collaboration is a flawed concept in most contexts. People are not at their best when they have to be creative, inventive, or thoughtful in real-time with an audience. Nor do people do their best analysis when they're sitting around a (virtual) whiteboard.

Asynchronous collaboration tools are always going to be more important than synchronous ones; synchronous is better for broadcast and one-to-many communication.

Re:Groove ? (2, Interesting)

GaryOlson (737642) | more than 4 years ago | (#28133129)

And, if you force people to function asynchronously, people will more likely take the effort to request only what they need. Real-time people have little impulse control and make requests because they can -- not because they should.

Ugh (4, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128785)

It's like email and twitter and instant messaging and facebook all in one.

Disgusting.

Re:Ugh (5, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129797)

Except maybe it will be what something like Twitter, Facebook, and IM should have been from the beginning. For one thing, it sounds like it will be open and decentralized, meaning that I can set up my own Wave server, and you can set up your own Wave server, and our users can talk without any problems.

You can already do that with IM so long as we're all using Jabber, but otherwise it can get a little problematic. But I can't set up my own private facebook or twitter server, and even if I do, there's not support for my server to let people befriend and network with people on the real Facebook and Twitter.

To me, that's always been the #1 problem with social networking sites on the Internet. You can't set up your own, but instead your left to make a new account on whatever site is cool this week. Like what if instead of being able to set up my own webpage, I had to set up a webpage on whatever hosting company was trendy, and then rewrite it based on that host's protocols?

Re:Ugh (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131011)

By setting up your own you're destroying the networking aspect.

A private site for friends will never have the pull of a world-wide LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE site.

If that's what you want, great, go for it. But I seriously doubt that's what Google has in mind. They want all of your data, and this is just another tool for them to get at it.

Maybe you'll be able to set up your own wave "servers' (be they on your hardware or Google's), but they'll all tie in to Google's master server hive (of scum and villainy).

I'd guess that you can go to any wave and get the same base content, functionality, and networking, but you can also get that content (and all your personal stuff) through any other wave designed for specific interests. Go through the wave and get all your same shit with a different layout, and added content (sports scores, etc).

Regardless of function or intention, my comment still stands (despite being modded troll by Googs) - the layout shown is hideous and provides nothing but total information overload.

Re:Ugh (3, Interesting)

Tenebrousedge (1226584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131669)

By setting up your own you're destroying the networking aspect.

A private site for friends will never have the pull of a world-wide LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE site.

Accurate, insightful.

If that's what you want, great, go for it. But I seriously doubt that's what Google has in mind. They want all of your data, and this is just another tool for them to get at it.

Controversial point. Trying to spread fear, whether or not it's justified. The following couple of paragraphs present some interesting speculation.

Regardless of function or intention, my comment still stands (despite being modded troll by Googs) - the layout shown is hideous and provides nothing but total information overload.

If there's anything in your post to warrant a troll mod, this is it.

You post here a lot, and you don't trouble yourself to be terribly civil. Not that that's uncommon, but I think it's a shame. Your ideas seem generally worthwhile, but your attitude probably limits their discussion. Geeks and engineers are probably more likely than most to pay attention to the factual accuracy of any statement instead of the emotional context; the opposite is the rule in other circles. If I may offer some advice: if you're going to be callous, be right, and even if you are right, don't bitch about the troll mods.

Respectfully yours,
-T

Re:Ugh (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#28132389)

I'm not bitching about it, someone else commented on it.
I don't give a shit about being civil or whatnot. I see bullshit and I call it out.
I have an idea and I put it out there.
I have an opinion and I state it.

Wave is ugly as shit.

Re:Ugh (2, Interesting)

Locklin (1074657) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131745)

I can set up my own Jabber server and talk to people on Google's GoogleTalk or Gmail chat. In fact, that's what I do except I'm using jabber.org's server. Of course, Google still gets your conversations with those people, but not if you use OTR.

This sounds like the potential that Jabber/XMPP has always had, but no one seems interested to implement.

Re:Ugh (2, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131205)

But I can't set up my own private facebook or twitter server,

Twitter -- I see no reason why this couldn't be just Jabber to some sort of broadcast channel.

Facebook -- XFN, OpenID, and friends.

even if I do, there's not support for my server to let people befriend and network with people on the real Facebook and Twitter.

That's the real problem.

There's a whole set of open standards that pretty much covers all of what social networks do for the user. But for some reason, most users are still in the gated community of Facebook, so even though the open communities could theoretically be bigger, better, and freer, right now they're smaller, because they're not Facebook.

But what makes you think this will be different, other than the Google branding?

Here's hoping they actually take a clue from existing systems designed for this, and at least support them. That way, at least they might start to do for other systems what they've done for Jabber... Of course, I have maybe three or four contacts who use Gtalk (and they use it only from Gmail), whereas I have more like 50 who use Yahoo, MSN, or AIM. So the same problem applies.

Re:Ugh (1)

monkeyboythom (796957) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130225)

Why is the parent marked as a Troll? It is an opinion.

From the picture given, it looks extremely busy. Are we trying to raise a seizure-proof human by overloading one's senses until one completely shorts out by having no attention span at all?

Yes, I see where people feel the need to group apps into one container; it is our nature to try to tidy things up. But really, do we need that much data anyway?

Seeing people walking or driving or whatever they're doing while looking at a tiny screen reminds me of the Monty Python skit of the man who never looked up.

wave.google.com (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28128899)

http://wave.google.com

HURR I AM SLASHDOT EDTOR me mash keys 4 u lol micro%ft suks lol

Uhhh. SIP Anyone? Anyone? (3, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#28128967)

So, they use SIP to chat and handle voice. There's a protocol for presentation that's rolled into some SIP servers. You guys have no idea how powerful the SIP standard is. There isn't a client that handles it all yet.

Besides the very un-special nature of the application, I'd be interested to see if the Telcos will litigate Google on their gigantic pool of obvious patents. Either that or Google's paying them a 'vig' already.

Re:Uhhh. SIP Anyone? Anyone? (1)

GreyLurk (35139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129041)

It doesn't appear that there's any "Voice" in it inherently... it's just a method for retrieving and modifying XML documents in a shared setting. I wouldn't think that putting Voice data in there would be very efficient.

Re:Uhhh. SIP Anyone? Anyone? (1)

gehrehmee (16338) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130453)

Well, given that it's all XMPP-based, and XMPP has standardized methods to negotiate an out-of-band video/voice session, this could dovetail quite naturally.

Re:Uhhh. SIP Anyone? Anyone? (1)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 4 years ago | (#28132597)

...if the Telcos will litigate Google

Sadly, you won't be able to find said Telcos on the Internet... :-/

Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28129005)

Oi Google, Google, give us a Wave Give us a Waaaaave Google, Google give us a Wave Give us a Waaaaave Rraaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!

quite needed... (4, Insightful)

hh4m (1549861) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129013)

i cant wait for this app... its so hard for people on tight budgets to collaborate on projects due to the high software costs... sure one can argue that there are many free alternatives out there but there really isn't anyone that has it quite right yet. One on one collaborations are okay but it is still quite impossible to have a decent meeting on line if you have three people or more, for free...

Re:quite needed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28129647)

While they don't benefit from Google's massive budget or standing with the dev community, drop.io [drop.io] has actually introduced some of this already. It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, granted, but present.io [present.io] (extension of drop.io) explores a similar concept - synchronous filesharing and communication. It's less suited for group editing on singular assets, but is still a highly workable solution. Great for meetings.

Won't be able to hold a candle to Wave once the project goes live, but it's worth recalling that this sort of thing isn't entirely new.

Patent License? (5, Interesting)

xlotlu (1395639) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129379)

It's this [waveprotocol.org] I find most interesting:

Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, Google and its affiliates hereby grant to you a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this License) patent license for patents necessarily infringed by implementation of this specification. If you institute patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the implementation of the specification constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, then any patent licenses for the specification granted to you under this License shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed.

Cool. (5, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131375)

If I'm reading this right, it looks like patent MAD. Basically, Google is saying, "If you sue anyone for patent infringement about this spec, you give us the right to sue you. If you don't sue anyone, we're cool."

The implicit threat is, of course, that Google will own as many patents regarding this spec as anybody, but as long as nobody exercises them, it doesn't matter -- they're still allowed, for this spec.

Which is both very cool, and raises some interesting questions -- like, what if I implement the spec as part of a much larger app, and someone sues me for infringement of a different part of the app? Or, what if I want to create a modified version of the spec, or create a wholly unrelated application that infringes on patents related to this spec -- do I open myself up to lawsuits then?

Re:Patent License? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28133093)

IANAL so could someone explain this a little better?

I guess it has something to do with how Google is going to get around the patents with this technology or what?

Messyboard anyone? (4, Interesting)

Eharley (214725) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129433)

This reminds me of a PhD thesis I read about a few years back. Adam Fass' Messyboard [messyboard.org]

MessyBoard is a networked bulletin board that allows people to share notes, pictures, files and other content. Everyone who looks at a MessyBoard sees exactly the same thing, and all users see changes in real time. It runs as a Java applet inside your web browser, so no software installation is necessary. Text and images from other applications can easily be posted on MessyBoard using drag-and-drop and cut-and-paste. Each board has a URL that is easy to remember, so you can access it from any computer on the Internet.

MessyBoard stores a complete history of all activity, allowing users to go back in time and recover old content simply by clicking on a slider bar.

Coincidentally, Fass now works for Google in WA state.

Re:Messyboard anyone? (1)

Message (303377) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129709)

Or the CoMotion platform that is used in the Army's Command Post of the Future (CPOF) system.

Re:Messyboard anyone? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130933)

There was one at Brigham Young a few years back discussing collaborative software, nothing quite as polished like this.

Google is also... (5, Funny)

proc_tarry (704097) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129449)

Google is also introducing the new service "Particle" which will be the same service with different properties.

Physics humor :) (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130379)

Ahh, I see you slipped a cute physics joke through one of the slits.

Re:Physics humor :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28130833)

And you just ensured that only Particle OR Wave will be released, not both!

Photophlow (0)

NightRain (144349) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129531)

This thing is a complete rip off of photophlow [google.com.au]

Re:Photophlow (2, Informative)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130371)

Well, no, it is completely different, other than having avatars and thumbnails. photophlow are flickr photos with a javascript chat. Wave are XML documents which are kept in sync via collaborative editing "protocols", and those documents can be text conversations, maps, videos, gadgets or any other thin.

Sounds good for playing RPGs online (2, Interesting)

HertzaHaeon (1164143) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129553)

This could be a cool tool for playing RPGs (of the pen and paper variant) online.

Use the chat or Skype for talking, and the Wave functions for posting maps and stuff, and clients for rolling dice and such.

Re:Sounds good for playing RPGs online (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130855)

Be honest: you're just looking for excuses not to leave the house, aren't you? :)

A lot of potentially good uses (1)

PhantomHarlock (189617) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129711)

On a personal level, we just planned a large camping trip for 19 people on Memorial Day Weekend through email, and it would have been a lot easier had we been able to conveniently embed maps and such into the conversation, and had it flow a little more real time.

On a business level, we have employees on two coasts and this might be a useful tool. Though how much of this is really P2P and how much of the data resides in the cloud? The encryption issue stated by a poster above is also a big one, and I would want all business related traffic encrypted.

Good stuff though, can't wait to play with it.

Re:A lot of potentially good uses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28130297)

On a personal level, we just planned a large camping trip for 19 people on Memorial Day Weekend through email, and it would have been a lot easier had we been able to conveniently embed maps and such into the conversation, and had it flow a little more real time.

Couldn't you use one of those free (or pay) wiki hosting sites like wikidot?

On a business level, we have employees on two coasts and this might be a useful tool. Though how much of this is really P2P and how much of the data resides in the cloud? The encryption issue stated by a poster above is also a big one, and I would want all business related traffic encrypted.

Or host your own wiki server with encryption?

Granted, Google "Wave" may be as cool as it sounds, but it sounds like a good wiki will do most of what you're looking for.

man, I love Google. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28129793)

This will be another great step into freedom.

Hotline all over again (5, Funny)

plurgid (943247) | more than 4 years ago | (#28129941)

countdown to this being used for warez and porn ... 3 ... 2 ... 1

Re:Hotline all over again (1)

Eil (82413) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131405)

Hello, this is the Internet we're talking about. If there were any service, protocol, or application which wasn't used for porn in some way, I'll eat my hat.

Re:Hotline all over again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28131439)

IPv6?

Re:Hotline all over again (1)

plurgid (943247) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131469)

slashdot: not used for pr0n or juarez.

yes yes, but we use http for that all the time :-)

Easier! (1)

Pahroza (24427) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130023)

Great, nothing like a good wave to help get some height.  Should make it considerably easier to jump the shark with.

Serious threat to Facebook, Twitter, et al (5, Insightful)

David McBride (183571) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130327)

The decentralised nature of this system will directly threaten Facebook, Twitter et al.

The DNS system works, and scales, because everyone publishing information to the DNS is responsible for the upkeep of the nodes that publish their own records.

Facebook and Twitter, however, have scaling and financial problems. Facebook, so far as I am aware, continues to make a substantial annual loss despite its enormous success, and I have yet to hear that Twitter has managed to turn a profit.

More importantly, the privacy of everyone publishing much of their personal, private correspondence using a small number of centralized agencies is directly threatened -- and it could get particularly messy if, in a few years time, $SOCIALNETWORK fails to become profitable, goes into receivership, and the vast databases of private information are identified by the administrators as the organisation's most valuable asset.

In contrast, a Wave infrastructure, like DNS, will distribute the upkeep and storage of private information to many (hopefully) locally trustworthy systems. Because of social engineering / hacking attacks, leakage of private information can and will still occur, but the impact should hopefully be minimized if the Wave protocol and its implementations have been suitably well engineered.

This is going to be interesting.

Google Wave? Federation?? (0)

decavolt (928214) | more than 4 years ago | (#28130657)

My inescapable train of thought while reading the summary:

Google Wave Federation.
Goole Wave?
Federation?
Genesis Wave.

KAAAAAHHHHHHN!!!!!

Please kill "One Note" (3, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131293)

If this could kill Microsoft One Note that would be so nice. :)

There goes my plan for world domination (1)

ynotds (318243) | more than 4 years ago | (#28131839)

Which is a good thing, because my priorities have moved on anyway.

All I ever wanted the never really started TransForum 2.0 for was a tool for communication and collaboration about other, potentially media-rich, projects.

Now a decade on from when TransForum [transforum.net] 0.99 was momentarily state-of-the-art, I have a dozen projects ready to try surfing this next Southern Ocean Wave ... as always too much choice.

Now if only Google will finally complete what has long been their obvious mission and provide a guaranteed permanent URI for everything ever worth citing.

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