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SourceForge To Acquire Development Portal Ohloh.net

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the get-your-conspiracy-on dept.

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SourceForge, Inc. (parent company of Slashdot, and the corporate overlord of SourceForge.net and ThinkGeek) announced today plans to purchase Ohloh, a three-year-old Seattle company that runs Ohloh.net, a software-development portal that specializes in the community aspects of distributed open source projects. The purchase will probably be final as of next month. (I hope no one requires that I show up to an office, just because one will be nearby.)

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I love slashdot, but... (4, Insightful)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130011)

How the hell do these guys make any money? I mean, really... The ads don't pay that much. Good for them though, I'm hopeful they'll be able to keep it up.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130111)

by screwing up the pages so they are visible only with Moz/Webkit/IE engines.

1) Find popular site
2) Convert to heavy Web 2.0, CSS 3.0, javascript crap.
3) Strengthen the use of javascript to view the web.
4) Make advertisers happy
5) Profit

You may point out that intelligent users can install the AdBlock or NoScript plugons. Sure. By defaults matter, and that leaves 99% of users vulnerable to google ads.

Even freshmeat was screwed beyond repair.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130255)

Even AdBlock and NoScript may not be enough. I've read about a recent trend where adverts are hosted directly on the content server. So if your website "requires" JavaScript and/or people have whitelisted it, ads will get through because the scripts and images are hosted directly on your website. Bastards.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (2, Informative)

bencoder (1197139) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130467)

I don't see the problem. You can stop using the website, no? I only block adverts if they are flashing, noisy or make the page unusable (like the stupid flash ones that cover up the text before shrinking down). Other types of adverts I have no problem with and am happy to view to support my favourite sites.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (2, Insightful)

Jamu (852752) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130779)

I block adverts where and because they're a vector for various types of malware. Flash adverts don't show because I block Flash.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

el americano (799629) | more than 5 years ago | (#28134161)

I tried to allow ads on slashdot. They are in my whitelist for AdblockPlus, but the ads still don't come up, because NoScript is blocking scripts from doubleclick.net.

I was open to ads on this site, but I will not be unblocking doubleclick.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130819)

I run both Adblock and NoScript and Slashdot still freezes my Firefox for 5 seconds before it loads.

HORSESHIT, I say. HORSESHIT.

It's that Jew homosexual KDawson's fault.

Web rewriting tools (1)

laburu (926935) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131397)

Even AdBlock and NoScript may not be enough. I've read about a recent trend where adverts are hosted directly on the content server. So if your website "requires" JavaScript and/or people have whitelisted it, ads will get through because the scripts and images are hosted directly on your website. Bastards.

In case you are willing to do something about it:

the last of which is hosted by... SourceForge.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28133075)

I wish that it were so. I block ads because I don't trust third-party networks to care about what they are distributing.
I block javascript because it usually doesn't add to the content value of websites that I visit; I also gain a slight enjoyment in seeing websites that fail to degrade properly without their javascript.
If an ad is malicious and infects visitors to the website then that particular ad server may end up on a security company's "bad" list; if that malicious content came from the website's content server, they risk losing actual visitors when the red flags pop out of a visitor's security software for being a "known malicious website".
I would like to think a website admin would care enough to properly screen ads being delivered from their domain to keep their reputation clean. If not, I hope they fail.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (2, Informative)

cartavio (1562005) | more than 5 years ago | (#28134549)

I use DNS level ad blocking. My DNS servers are set to 75.147.151.12 71.249.184.157 205.232.175.67 About 88% of the sites that I visits are free of ads. In fact these DNS servers even block the annoying ads on places like Hulu, Joost, fancast, and southpark.com. I usually get surprised at the amount of advertising out their when I am on a public computer, I'm so used to browsing sites without ads.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 5 years ago | (#28139737)

Hulu and South Park have annoying ads? Come on, we finally get some sites actually attempting to give us what we want, when we want, for free, and you can't watch a 15 second ad here and there?

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130427)

At work, I browse (and troll) slashdot via links. At home, I browse (and troll) slashdot via Safari (and occasionally firefox to check if it handled their latest fuck up more gracefully). The sad truth is, slashdot often works better in links than in Safari or Firefox. Only once have they fucked up links (a few weeks ago when the front page was turned into an rss feed and anyone who mentioned it was modded down), oh make that twice -- currently, reading the full story (with the /seo-happy-urls) doesn't work.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130507)

I actually appreciate the service provided by Slashdot so I click on the ads relevant to me. I could block them but it seems a bit silly to take money away from something you like.

It's a bit like shitting on your mom to reward her for making you dinner.

I can appreciate that people on source forge could get upset when conflicting ads show up on their projects but, with Filezilla, it's such a good product I wouldn't be swayed by an advertisement. People with good software need to have faith in their product and users.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130617)

It's a bit like shitting on your mom to reward her for making you dinner.

Wow, disturbing. How about, it's a bit like refusing to help your mom clear the table after she made you a delicious dinner. Or painting your mom white afterwards, whatever.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130967)

I'd say it's more like pushing your mom away when she tries to shit on you after making dinner.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131389)

I guess you've never met his mother.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (4, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130349)

You'd be surprised how quickly ad money can add up on popular websites. Plus Thinkgeek sells a lot of things and has a nice markup on some items.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | more than 5 years ago | (#28135023)

Um, the answer is it's not just ads, far far far from it. Look at the articles. LOOK at them. See all those words? It's propaganda, or insert your favorite word here, the nice term is "PR" but call it what you will. Companies try to bend consumer opinion about them by controlling/pushing/bending topics and articles and such to gain them favoritism, or to at least become more favorable towards them, or less unfavorable.

Why do you think companies sponsor conventions? *ahem*Microsoft*ahem* scewz me.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | more than 5 years ago | (#28135033)

And, to add to where I was going, ultimately that means that owning sites like Slashdot or others which have large communities means that companies will pay $$$$$ to be able to push articles onto the site, or bend reviews, or whatever. That's where the real money comes from. (some call it 'kickbacks' btw)

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | more than 5 years ago | (#28135051)

aka it's when you "sell out", lol. That's the primary reason these sites exist, so that you will hopefully become big enough that you can one day sell out to corps with cash. Whatever intrinsic reasons for hosting a site like Slashdot are long gone, sorry. I'm sure many of them may feel they're giving their honest opinion about stuff still, but their overlords will slowly put an end to that, you'll see.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Kotoku (1531373) | more than 5 years ago | (#28138181)

So who did you sell out your account to?

Because they are posting fast and replying to their own posts!

Re:I love slashdot, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28141637)

Did you forget to take your happy pills this morning? If slashdot was getting corporate pushed articles or bent reviews or anything it would be news immediately. There are plenty of other less popular sites that would love to take a hammer to this site.

Instead of ads, offer valuable content and... (1)

helpacoder (1555737) | more than 5 years ago | (#28142237)

ask for donations.

I've come to the conlusion that people HATE advertising hence all the blocking and hatred of content containing ads like 'adware'.

For 'small fry' not having large ad budgets to have ANY chance of earning money and not alienating your potential customers in this setting, 'tipware' seems to be the only way to go.

People are not interrupted by 3rd party advertisers and if the content offered has value and merit, people will support the creator financially.

If the audience pool is large enough, enough people will pay to make it all worthwhile. Otherwise make your offerings available free as advertising for YOURSELF -- someone could contact you with paid work later if what you make available to them for free is worth it to them.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130805)

Have you checked out the prices on thinkgeek? There's your answer.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Zapotek (1032314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131255)

And they've also added an option to disable ads on /. and I'm not a subscriber either. I already blocked them anyways...

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Samah (729132) | more than 5 years ago | (#28132375)

Good for them though, I'm hopeful they'll be able to keep it up.

They just need to get someone to start a project called OpenViagra.
Either that or start reading spam emails.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (4, Informative)

Repossessed (1117929) | more than 5 years ago | (#28132699)

400000 visitors, an hour.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28133537)

I'm headed back to CN. I so much enjoy reaming NPO's ass!! See ya there!

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#28134931)

Uh, I'd say that displays their high cost structure. You think they generate a ton of advertising revenue off of that? Maybe they do, but I'm pretty skeptical - how many people really click through on the florescent shower head ad?

Sure, they make a few bucks, I'm just saying they probably don't make much. But hell, either: 1) I'm wrong or 2) they're overextending themselves by making unneeded acquisitions, like plenty of other companies have done in the past. But like I said, I hope I'm wrong and they're making buckets of money.

Re:I love slashdot, but... (1)

Walter Carver (973233) | more than 5 years ago | (#28273343)

Impressive!

But where did you find this number?

Not a Good Thing (5, Insightful)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130149)

I don't really see this as a good thing. In my experience many of the projects on Ohloh.net are there because the maintainers were unhappy or frustrated with problems they were having at SourceForge. FileZilla, for example, kept complaining to SourceForge that the ads that showed up would always include download links to sites charging for download of FileZilla.

I suppose such projects will move to Google Code, but it's important to remember that choice is a good thing, and not everybody is happy with SourceForge.

Re:Not a Good Thing (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130317)

I suppose such projects will move to Google Code, but it's important to remember that choice is a good thing, and not everybody is happy with SourceForge.

So SourceForge will just buy Google!

Re:Not a Good Thing (5, Funny)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130457)

All I could picture was the SourceForge accountants dragging a couple of barrels of pennies to the front door of the Google office in Mountain View, and a Roomba calling security.

SourceForge could buy Google if... (1)

helpacoder (1555737) | more than 5 years ago | (#28142481)

If/(when?) the 'online advertising' bubble bursts and Google loses 90+% of their income tied up in their AdWords/AdSense programs.

To put it simply:

SourceForge delivers RESULTS in the form of hosted source code projects.

Google delivers PROMISES in the form of 3rd-party advertising delivered online through AdWords/AdSense. Take that away and Google wouldn't have the money easily available to keep their search engine and the USENET archive (Google Groups) going -- the only things of TRULY lasting value Google has when everything else there is gone.

Re:SourceForge could buy Google if... (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 5 years ago | (#28244811)

If/(when?) the 'online advertising' bubble bursts and Google loses 90+% of their income tied up in their AdWords/AdSense programs.

Google could probably afford a 90% reduction in ad income by cutting back to 1,000 employees. Seriously, they went on an incredible hiring binge of expensive high-tech employees. Hell, given that their search infrastructure is already built out, they could probably offshore most of it to India, China, Russia, Romania, etc.

SourceForge delivers RESULTS in the form of hosted source code projects.

Your post makes me laugh. So SourceForge gives away free hosting to open source projects. Now where do they derive income from? They sell ads, just like Google. They also offer paid-for services, which Google does as well.

At the end of the day Google's services are used by untold millions around the planet, whereas SourceForge probably has 1,000s of projects intensively using their resources for free, with plenty of competition from other hosting services. SourceForge is a dotCom zombie. I'd love to see where all their revenue is coming from.

Re:Not a Good Thing (4, Insightful)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130613)

I had no idea that ohloh hosted open source projects. My only exposure to them has been in the form of those annoying animated GIFs that display ohloh statistics on some open source project pages (typically hosted elsewhere).
I hated those so much that one of the two explicit blocks in my Privoxy user.action file was "www.ohloh.net/projects/\d+/badge_js". To put that in perspective, the other block was for ".on.nimp.org".

Re:Not a Good Thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130959)

To put that in perspective, the other block was for ".on.nimp.org".

I do recall having seen that domain somewhere but don't remember anything more. I will now need to visit it. I blame you if I will find something horrible and be traumatized or something

Re:Not a Good Thing (2, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131243)

According to http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/nimp.org [siteadvisor.com] its apparently some virus site from the GNAA (yes, from that /. troll of the "Gay Nigger Association of America")

Mod Parent Up (2)

furbearntrout (1036146) | more than 5 years ago | (#28135645)

that one made me laugh..
(posting to clear downmod
stupid dropdown needs an undo)

Re:Not a Good Thing (2, Informative)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28133711)

Never heard of nimp before. Being brave, I had to look. Just tell everyone it's goatse with a different skin, along with browser hijack.

Oddly - I visited from a Linux desktop, but the Windows VM alarmed about a virus attack.... hmmmmm I'm sure glad I didn't go there FROM Windows.

Re:Not a Good Thing (2, Interesting)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130725)

For some reason, (and i could be wrong) but it feels like the people who run thinkgeek, slashdot, and other sites under the umbrella may have a bit of autonomy as to how they run things. While yes, there will always be corporate mandates handed down from on high (DO THIS!), perhaps the ohloh.net managers will realize that how sourceforge does their ads was costing them big projects and would resist change as good nerds should.

Then again, I am an eternal optimist that likes to hope for the best, you don't gain anything by ignoring the best or the worst, but if you plan for rainy days but hope you never have to use the plan, you can sleep at night without nightmares.

Re:Not a Good Thing (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130817)

"I suppose such projects will move to Google Code, but it's important to remember that choice is a good thing, and not everybody is happy with SourceForge."

I was thinking the same thing. You see more and more projects (a lot of .NET stuff though) at code.google.com. I'm glad to hear that they have no intention of giving up the ghost.

Re:Not a Good Thing (2, Informative)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130861)

Um.. ohloh.net doesn't offer project hosting. It is a tool for analyzing statistics and creating reports about projects hosted on other sites.

Re:Not a Good Thing (1)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131051)

They absolutely do project file hosting, but, yes, they're mostly known for project analytics. I'm not sure if they do RCS hosting like SourceForge does, but file hosting absolutely. FileZilla, the project I mentioned, no longer consistently updates the SF.net site (if at all), and all download links on filezilla-project.org go to ohloh.net.

Re:Not a Good Thing (2)

Eil (82413) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131295)

What I hate most about SourceForge is when you search for an open source project and get handed the link to its SourceForge page rather than its actual web page.

Gods damn it, if it wanted to browse the CVS or any of that crap, I would have found my way there eventually. Most of the time, I just want to find out what the application is all about and *then* go poking around the source or download the software.

Re:Not a Good Thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28131923)

What I hate most about SourceForge is when you search for an open source project and get handed the link to its SourceForge page rather than its actual web page.

... which is one click away from the SourceForge project page? The first item in the menu?

Re:Not a Good Thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28132093)

FileZilla, for example, kept complaining to SourceForge that the ads that showed up would always include download links to sites charging for download of FileZilla.

FileZilla is GPL'ed. As long as those selling the program respect the GPL, I fail to see the problem.

Re:Not a Good Thing (1)

Spugglefink (1041680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146681)

Ohloh.net provides metrics, and the projects that are listed there are there because someone found them interesting enough to be worth tracking. They don't host projects. You imply that projects have left SourceForge for Ohloh to wind up "there" but that's nonsense. Ohloh tracks projects that are hosted all over the place. They don't host anything themselves. This is complete nonsense, and the people who modded you +5 "Insightful" clearly have no clue.

Re:Not a Good Thing (1)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28152435)

This is complete nonsense, and the people who modded you +5 "Insightful" clearly have no clue.

As opposed to reading the thread to see if the point you made was asked and answered?

Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (2, Interesting)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130171)

...it shows a breakdown of commits by language [ohloh.net] ; interesting stuff. Of course, the sample is limited to the projects they're tracking, and the metric - number of commits - is affected by the source code mgmt tool's idioms. Still, nice AJAXy-ness.

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (1)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130755)

Heh, its fairly interesting, but it reminds me of how my favorite languages (perl and C) are declining in general use and my programming skills will go the way of cobol and fortran.

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (1)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130911)

> my programming skills will go the way of cobol and fortran

Nah, those Perl skills will translate to Ruby, and those C skills to, well, anything. Take heart!

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131547)

I do, however, find it quite annoying when people write C in other languages. It would probably look fine in Perl, but it'd stand out like a sore thumb in Ruby.

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (1)

badkarmadayaccount (1346167) | more than 5 years ago | (#28161205)

That would be impressive, even for me, the person writing OO FORTRAN77 in pure ANSI C...

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131041)

You programming skills going the way of Cobol could be a blessing in disguise. Have you seen how much old Colbol guys get paid these days!?

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (1)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131317)

Well, one could expect those pay rates with 90 years of experience....

I kid, but yeah, the problem is that it might take them 8-9 months to find another job if they're disposed of when the system finally gets replaced by something that doesn't require a nice fat programmer maintenance salary. The salary, not the programmer being fat...

Ruby stats (1)

splict (1024037) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130915)

Interesting. The ruby metrics gave me a laugh. A steady rise around 2008 and a steady decline afterwards. Of course it isn't scientific data, but it does seem to coincide with the surge (and subsequent apathy) over Ruby on Rails by many developers.

No offense to the rubyists out there ;)

Re:Ruby stats (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131563)

It's not so much the Rails bashing, but the fact that Rails has existed since 2004. What was special about 2008 relating to Rails?

Re:Ruby stats (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131709)

The publicity, really. Kind of like when Survivor was popular. Now it still exists, but has a much smaller audience.

Re:Ohloh's programming language chart is nice... (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131815)

It would be nice, except that the output is complete nonsense. It think, for example, that I am responsible for around 50K lines of Autoconf and 1K lines of D, when I have never committed anything in either language. My statistics for C and C++ are correct now, but for a while it was counting all of my Objective-C headers as 'C/C++' not as Objective-C, giving a widely skewed result. Because most of my Objective-C headers are documentation, it thought I had a comment ratio of almost 90% for C/C++.

Congratulations! (1)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130199)

Congratulations to SourceForge for their triumphant acquisition of Ohloh.net. Have some delicious and moist cake to celebrate with those of us still alive!

Re:Congratulations! (4, Interesting)

legirons (809082) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130363)

so what happens when a site known for its great features and well-designed user-interface gets bought by a company with a phobia of both things?

Re:Congratulations! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130403)

The site starts to look like slashdot.

Re:Congratulations! (5, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130557)

They change the name so it doesn't sound like something chanted by an Age of Empires priest?

Re:Congratulations! (4, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131541)

so what happens when a site known for its great features and well-designed user-interface gets bought by a company with a phobia of both things?

Mod this one up to +10.

There is no more unwieldy a site on the web to navigate than Sourceforge.

It doesn't matter what OS you favor. It doesn't matter if you are thinking rock-solid for the end user or bleeding edge for the inner geek. Trying to extract anything useful from Sourceforge has all the joys of root canal without anesthesia.

The public face of FOSS needs something more inviting, something more along the lines of Download.com.

I was worried (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130293)

I was worried this was going to be yet another one of those useful openey sourcey things that was held back by a bad name. I guess bing was taken.

by acquire we mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130593)

i've heard of a few companies acquiring other companies of late. the kind of acquiring where one company says to the other, we'll give you jobs because it saves you from going broke.

timothy, timothy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130727)

> announced today plans Congratulations my sincere!

ahwell.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28130735)

Time to delete my info off of ohloh.

Just curious .. (3, Interesting)

THEbwana (42694) | more than 5 years ago | (#28130771)

Where are their servers located ? .. would be interesting to know, due to various regional annoyances such as the DMCA, opposition to open versions of DeCSS etc.

Re:Just curious .. (1)

ShaunC (203807) | more than 5 years ago | (#28139131)

They're hosted at Isomedia [isomedia.com] , in Redmond, WA.

Newsflash (4, Insightful)

Nezer (92629) | more than 5 years ago | (#28131235)

(I hope no one requires that I show up to an office, just because one will be nearby.)

Newsflash: We don't care. That's your personal fear and issue that really is best left off the front page.

Re:Newsflash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28135201)

Newsflash: We don't care. That's your personal fear and issue that really is best left off the front page.

Why so sad? Relax and enjoy life Nezer.

Re:Newsflash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28138583)

WHOOOOSH

Re:Newsflash (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 5 years ago | (#28139053)

We don't care.
Not true. If timothy starts wearing ties, or worse [google.com] , where does that leave the rest of us?

Need I say it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28133147)

Oh noh!

new features (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28133291)

I hope they finally start adding the popular feature requests. Like ignoring certain paths in a repository.

Lines Of Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28137277)

Using Lines Of Code as an estimate of a project value is just complete bullshit, and Ohloh even provides a widget for spreading such bullshit.

freshmeat.net'ish site (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 5 years ago | (#28138999)

I never heard of them. It looks like they are basically the same thing as freshmeat.net but with statistics tools for projects.

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