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ASUS Designs Monster Dual-GTX285 4GB Graphics Card

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the nvidia-get-back-in-the-kitchen-and-bake-me-a-gpu dept.

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suraj.sun writes to mention that ASUS has just designed their own monster graphics card based on the GeForce GTX 295. While the card retains the GeForce GTX 295 name, same device ID, and remains compatible with existing NVIDIA drivers, ASUS has made a couple of modifications to call its own. "the company used two G200-350-B3 graphics processors, the same ones that make the GeForce GTX 285. The GPUs have all the 240 shader processors enabled, and also have the complete 512-bit GDDR3 memory interface enabled. This dual-PCB monstrosity holds 32 memory chips, and 4 GB of total memory (each GPU accesses 2 GB of it). Apart from these, each GPU system uses the same exact clock speeds as the GeForce GTX 285: 648/1476/2400 MHz (core/shader/memory)."

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I surrender. (5, Funny)

Oricalchos (1339065) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141359)

Does it run Linux?

Re:I surrender. (5, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141419)

Maybe, but it will work better on Windows. Just ask Asus... :P

Re:I surrender. (5, Funny)

Volanin (935080) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141497)

I really miss a "Well Played Sarcarm" mod option.

Re:I surrender. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141941)

I really miss a "Well Played Sarcarm" mod option.

*ring ring*

NY Times Editor: Marcus? Hi, it's Bill Keller from the New York Times and since we're all in agreement that today we put our paywalls, I just wanted to call you up and thank you again.

Washington Post Editor: Oh yeah, Bill, we gotta do this--I mean, we just can't sustain without this revenue *snicker*.

NY Times Editor: Alright well, I'm calling because it's 10am now EST and we had all agreed that at midnight EST our papers would switch over to paywalls.

Washington Post Editor: Yep. That's right. *snort*

NY Times Editor: Yeah, well, your paper is still accessible without a paywall.

Washington Post Editor: What? Oh, man, hah, must be a bug. I'll get right on that!

*click*

Two hours later.

*ring ring*

NY Times Editor: Yeah, Marcus? It's Bill from the New York Times again, it's noon, still seeing a paywall on your site, what's up?

Washington Post Editor: Oh yeah, it's a bad bug, we can't figure it out--might take weeks. *laughing in background*

NY Times Editor: Really? Well, we haven't had a single person sign up for our paywall and I'm looking at an ad online right now that says, "Washington Post: Because Information Wants to be Free." And, uh, I also am reading some comments on blogs about only idiots will ever use the New York Times from this point on. Am I on speaker phone?

Washington Post Editor: Bill, it's time I came clean. In the newspaper business, there are sheep and there are sharks ...

Re:I surrender. (2, Funny)

EdZ (755139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141819)

I wonder how long until a BIOS is added on-board modern GPU cards. It'd be like budding an extra little computer off inside your existing computer.

Re:I surrender. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141829)

Yo dawg, we heard you liked computing ...

Re:I surrender. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142411)

I heard you like computers. So I... ahh nevermind.

Re:I surrender. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142611)

Graphics cards have their dedicated BIOS on-board.

It's really not enough. (1, Funny)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141361)

tongueincheek:

I'm working on my game, called Titanographic, and it requires a 16GB graphics card. Ho hum, I guess I'll have to wait another fews years before I can release it!

Re:It's really not enough. (2, Funny)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141851)

I'm working on my game, called Titanographic, and it requires a 16GB graphics card.

Coincidentally, so will directX 12 *ducks*

So, when will be be getting dual-PSU cases... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141377)

...so we can dedicate a full 2nd 1KW Power Supply Unit for the graphics card alone?

Re:So, when will be be getting dual-PSU cases... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141577)

In the future, running Crysis will actually create an electricity crisis for your power grid.

Re:So, when will be be getting dual-PSU cases... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141621)

Re:So, when will be be getting dual-PSU cases... (2, Interesting)

LUH 3418 (1429407) | more than 4 years ago | (#28143109)

Back in the day, just before 3DFX went down, the Voodoo5 graphics card had its own power brick: http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/08/10/3dfx_voodoo5_6k_2.jpg [regmedia.co.uk]

I recently had to upgrade from a 2 year old 500W power supply because it didn't have enough (6 pin?) power cables for my GeForce 9800GTX. I was honestly disappointed, but went ahead and bought a new one. I now have a 700W power supply from rocketfish, and I think that's quite insane.

In the end, I think graphics card manufacturers might just go back to external power bricks. Either that, or people will get tired of ever-increasing power and cooling requirements... I think that console manufacturers, for one, would not be so happy with the idea of having to design a console that can supply 400W+ to a GPU. This might pressure GPU manufacturers into limiting the power requirements of their future chips.

Re:So, when will be be getting dual-PSU cases... (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141793)

The P190 can fit two PSUs, as well as a lot of other 'high end' cases (i.e. built like a brick shithouse, cost an arm and a leg). Then you have double-width server chassis, or custom rackmount designs.

Re:So, when will be be getting dual-PSU cases... (2, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141937)

Well even as hungry as this card is, a 1kw PSU would still do fine. Computers don't use as much power as people seem to think. However, there are actually larger PSUs for sale. For example E-Power sells a 2000 watt PSU. It is an external enclosure that houses the actually PSU components, and then a bunch of wires connecting to an internal patchbay that you hook your cables in to. Completely overkill, but then hey so is this GPU.

Imagine a beowulf cluster (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141429)

of these

I feel nerd-emasculated (4, Funny)

Toe, The (545098) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141479)

Oh dear. My primary computer has half as much RAM as a graphics card.

(Hangs head in shame.)

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (2, Insightful)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141715)

A true nerd looks at this card the way an off-roader looks at an H2: It's bigger than it needs to be, costs more than it should, and is at best no better at what it's supposed to be good at then something a third the price. Oh, and only rich posers actually own one.

It's not tech for the sake of tech. It's tech because you can do something cool with it that makes you a nerd. And there's not really much you can do with this that you can't do just as well while spending less money.

A nerd can get his computer, with half as much RAM and less processor power, to do everything this card can do. And do it better.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (2, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142017)

How can you compare something that costs $80,000 (plus running costs) to something that costs $800?

The other big difference is that this thing will be "normal" in a couple of years and only cost $100. Mid-range PCs will have this as standard.

A Hummer, OTOH, will still be just as expensive and just as stupid.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (5, Funny)

nsayer (86181) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142191)

How can you compare something that costs $80,000 (plus running costs) to something that costs $800?

You're on /. and you're questioning a car analogy?!

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (1)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142223)

but to buy an '09 Hummer in a few years will be much cheaper, the same as your analogy that a card like this will be cheaper in a few years

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (5, Insightful)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142391)

How can you compare something that costs $80,000 (plus running costs) to something that costs $800?

He didn't compare them, he used their few similar traits to illustrate a point. A common use of analogies.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (2, Informative)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142645)

How can you compare something that costs $80,000 (plus running costs) to something that costs $800?

The other big difference is that this thing will be "normal" in a couple of years and only cost $100. Mid-range PCs will have this as standard.

A Hummer, OTOH, will still be just as expensive and just as stupid.

His analogy with the offroad makes sense... If you are familiar with off roading. My old First Generation 1989 4Runner will destroy a Hummer H2 offroad, and I am in the process of buying another rolling chassis for it today. Total cost? $500.00 off of Craigslist.

A H2 is something that APPEARS to do well off road, but in reality it does not. Plus, when parts come flying off of your offroading vehicle (and if you are doing real off roading, THEY WILL FLY OFF) replacing those parts on a old 4Runner is cheaper than a H2.

So, his analogy is valid. A offroad nerd can get much more out of a 1st gen 4Runner than an H2, in the same way an IT nerd can get more out of a non-4GB card than the twit that likes to drop $800/month on his gaming system.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (1)

ground.zero.612 (1563557) | more than 4 years ago | (#28143013)

I offer you this challenge:

Build this cheap PC you allude to, then compare it to some real world tests using this new Asus beast.

I'll take any and all bets against your budget PC. FFS my new laptop has core2duo, 4gb ram, and a 9600GT 512mb, and there is no way in hell I would bet against it with my desktop p4, 2gb ram, and 6800gt. Well, unless I was retarded *cough*.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142385)

Says the nerd who can't afford it. I think it would have been awesome to put this in a liquid cooled quad SLI setup, even though it'd require it's own power circuit, AC unit and noise-isolated room in the basement. You can't say that's NOT nerdy...

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (3, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142799)

It's not nerdy, it's poser. it is no different than those supercharger ricers you see doctor's kids driving, that they have tricked all to hell on daddy's credit card, and then wrap around a telephone pole. Anybody with the bucks to buy this thing has more bucks than brains and probably won't know what to do with it, other than brag about his FPS in Crysis.

Nerdy is like my former boss, when he found it would take 2 PSUs to power all the SCSI drives he had. He stripped two towers down to the frames, put the mobo and SCSI cards in one along with half the drives, mounted the other half along with a second PSU in the second skeleton, picked them both up and went to the auto body shop down the street and had them spot weld those bitches together. It was fugly as hell but gave him an insane(at the time) 500Gb of nice fast SCSI storage on the LAN. He had the drivers for pretty much every piece of hardware built for over a decade at his fingertips. Now THAT was nerdy!

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (1)

Mal-2 (675116) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142915)

No problem, feel free to buy one and use it to the fullest, with the blessings of the rest of us. It's the high-end buyers and early adopters that subsidize the rest of us. Without them, there would be no sub-$100 cards that were worth a damn. They spend way too much for what they get, but the rest of us win.

Mal-2

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (2, Insightful)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142427)

A true nerd looks at this card the way an off-roader looks at an H2: It's bigger than it needs to be, costs more than it should, and is at best no better at what it's supposed to be good at then something a third the price. Oh, and only rich posers actually own one.

It's not tech for the sake of tech. It's tech because you can do something cool with it that makes you a nerd. And there's not really much you can do with this that you can't do just as well while spending less money.

A nerd can get his computer, with half as much RAM and less processor power, to do everything this card can do. And do it better.

Sort of... But not really.

I mean, I understand where you're going with this, and I generally agree. I usually buy a $100 video card and put the extra money into RAM and CPU. Generally that works out pretty well for me. But my needs are relatively low...

I play things like WoW and EVE on at 1280x1024. I don't have a ginormous monitor, and I don't play a whole lot of visually-impressive high-speed games. If I had a big ol' monitor and wanted to play something like Crysis at 2560x1600 it just wouldn't happen. I'd get a slideshow at best. And that's without even pondering whether I'd turn on anything fancy like HDR or whatever.

No, you probably don't need a card like this. And you can probably get away with something less expensive. But it isn't like they just stuck a bunch of gold and diamonds on the card to jack up the price... It does actually do more than my budget card.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (5, Insightful)

director_mr (1144369) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142473)

Not trying to be offensive, but you are wrong. A GTX285 card is the most powerful single-GPU processor for gaming out there right now. 2 GTX 285 processors in SLI are the only thing that can play some games in 2560x1600 resolution at the highest quality settings. So to make your analogy more appropriate, its like the way an off-roader looks at a car designed to win the Baja 1000. Here is a benchmark that makes my point: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3501&p=6 [anandtech.com]

The article doesn't mention the price, but I suppose it would cost more than the GTX 295, so this card would be expensive. The advantage of it though, is you can stick enough graphics power in a single slot to power a 30 inch monitor at the highest settings with playable framerates in almost any game. So while I can not speak for every nerd, this is surely not tech purely for the sake of tech. No one could get something with half the RAM, less processor power to do everything this card can do that I know of. Perhaps you could prove me wrong on that point?

So while some think your post is insightful, I think you have no idea what you are talking about. This card was made to fill a niche in the high end gamers market, pure and simple.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142577)

can you imagine the guys from Pixar working with a GeForce FX 5200 ???

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142701)

No, All offroaders look at H2's as if they were jokes. Hell a 90's suzuki Sidekick can kick the crap out of a H2 off road. I mean the small 4 banger and kicking the crap out of it really REALLY hard. The H2 is a utter and complete joke offroad. We regularly laugh at the idiots that try to take the trails in those idiotic things. They are a Hummer in name only, just like the useless H3.

The Funny part is that gaming and 3d tech has stagnated. A $129.00 card can do everything you need prefectly, this monster is useless in every way. It cant even get traction on dry flat pavement. It's a H2 sitting on 13" low profile racing slicks. It's useless and looks retarded.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | more than 4 years ago | (#28143057)

Well friend, some people go offroad as a hobby. Some people go off road because they need to. If you live in rough terrain this becomes a means of living. Same goes for gaming. I am looking to get a 120hz monitor (when they come out) and a pair of 3d Glasses from Nvidia. This card is going to be absolutely necessary for my day to day gaming, same as my 4x4 for getting in my 2 mile long driveway.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (2, Interesting)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142315)

I was told by a NVidia scientist that the memory that these video cards comes with actually is more a result of the kinds of parts available at the speeds needed for the amount of address lines they need to connect rather than a requirement for an application.

Re:I feel nerd-emasculated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142767)

I see you haven't heard of Crysis.

GDDR3 (3, Interesting)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141489)

Bleh on the GDDR3. Radeon HD 4870 I just picked up for $200 has GDDR5, just smoking fast memory.

Re:GDDR3 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141541)

If your GDDR5 alone made your card faster people would care. It doesn't.

Re:GDDR3 (4, Informative)

ifrag (984323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141713)

You do realize the bus width on the Nvidia cards is wider?

Re:GDDR3 (0, Troll)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142323)

You do realize the bandwidth of DDR5 is twice DDR3's? The 512bit DDR3 bus bandwidth is equal to a 256bit DDR5 bus' bandwidth.

Re:GDDR3 (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142353)

Hmmm, maybe I was right:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1 [anandtech.com]

"The Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 both use a 256-bit memory bus like the 3870 before it (as well as NVIDIA's competing GeForce 9800 GTX), but total memory bandwidth on the 4870 ends up being 115.2GB/s thanks to the use of GDDR5. Note that this is more memory bandwidth than the GeForce GTX 260 which has a much wider 448-bit memory bus, but uses GDDR3 devices."

Different card, but you get the idea.

Batteries not included (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141523)

Customers who bought this also bought:
Delonghi PAC C100 Portable Air Conditioner 10,000 BTU

Re:Batteries not included (1)

j79zlr (930600) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142937)

Customers who bought this also bought: Two (2) Delonghi PAC C100 Portable Air Conditioner 10,000 BTU

Fixed that for you :p

oblig. (-1, Offtopic)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141535)

Maybe this will finally be able to run Vista.

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these. (SLI?)

Does it run Linux?

Re:oblig. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141691)

Yeah, it plays Tux Racer hella fast.

Re:oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142843)

You know that only 3d app worth running on linux is glxgears? Gazyllion frames per second, imagine this...

Dual GPU card (1)

crow (16139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141599)

So if I'm reading this right, they've taken what would normally be a dual-card solution and put it on a single card. This should have been an obvious next step.

Re:Dual GPU card (2, Insightful)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141795)

So what happens when you SLI two of these badboys together?

Re:Dual GPU card (2, Informative)

Jamamala (983884) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141983)

So what happens when you SLI two of these badboys together?

The card supports quad-SLI, so I guess you just end up with 4 285s in SLI.

Re:Dual GPU card (2, Funny)

DarrenBaker (322210) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142065)

The government opens up the taps on the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, as lights dim from Key West to Keokuk.

Re:Dual GPU card (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142719)

So what happens when you SLI two of these badboys together?

your power merer spins real fast

Does this mean I can run Solitaire in FULL RES? (5, Funny)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141633)

...I love that game. All the cards and the colors and stuff.

Someone had to say it. I bet a Minefield comment will beat me to the punch...

Re:Does this mean I can run Solitaire in FULL RES? (2, Funny)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142293)

Minefield? No, this thing still doesn't have enough memory for Firefox.

Bruno (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141739)

Finally! I will be able to play Crisis (at medium quality).

might work for GPU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141767)

I can't think of a game it would work with but for GPGPU this has got to have some power

I wonder... (2, Interesting)

DaMP12000 (710387) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141885)

what would happen if you try to plug that on a 32bits vista system... Since the operating memory for the OS is something like RAM - GRAPHICS RAM - (a little bit of other stuff...), that should leave about a negative amount of RAM for the OS. Good luck with that...

Re:I wonder... (3, Interesting)

mkaushik (1431203) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142149)

No graphics card maps the entire framebuffer into the physical address space, even on 64-bit OSs. I'll just use up a few 10s of MBs for BAR0, a few more for BAR1, and so on. The driver will manage all the framebuffer memory for you, all the client has to do is call the equivalent of malloc().

Re:I wonder... (1)

EvilToiletPaper (1226390) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142557)

Do you have to enable anything to do that in Windows XP? I know in Linux you can use a BigMEM kernel to map physical memory bits to pages of higher memory.

On my 32-bit XP machine with 4 GB physical memory and 2 512 Mb 8800 cards, it shows up as 3 Gb memory. Remove one card and it shows up as 3.5 Gb, so it looks like the OS is mapping then entire VRAM framebuffer to physical address space?

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28143027)

That's because 32bit x86 is limited to 4Gb address space. You want something like PAE - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension - to sort it out. From memory, none of the XP-series kernels do..

Re:I wonder... (1)

Kayden (1406747) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142583)

Isn't the 4GB mark a limit of how many addresses the CPU can address? It's been my experience with 32bit XP that when you put in a 512mb card, your available system ram goes down by 512. I knew a guy that put in some beefy cards in sli and wound up with less than 2GB of 4 available.

Re:I wonder... (1)

wgoodman (1109297) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142657)

closer to 4GB max 32bit RAM -~700MB of misc device reservations -4GB of video RAM..

your calculation was slightly off, but this is the first thing that popped into my head as well.

Oblig Lowtax Quote (5, Funny)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141921)

Not only will [this card] smooth out the jaggies on your screen, but it will anti-alias everybody elses's computer games within the surrounding five miles.

It was inevitable (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28141929)

I think this may actually support a higher resolution and framerate than real life.

Not particularly useful even for Folding at Home (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141985)

Folding at Home GPU clients don't require all this graphics RAM. You would probably do just as well with two GTX295.

Three Words... (1)

JoeSixpack00 (1327135) | more than 4 years ago | (#28141987)

Playstation.3.Emulator.

(or decent PS2 emulation for that fact...)

Re:Three Words... (1)

Hailth (1479371) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142493)

It's not the hardware that's the issue, it's the emulators. I've run plenty of PS2 games at 60FPS and max quality with no graphics card. You don't actually need something vastly more powerful than the console to emulate it, you need someone who developed the console to sell out and make an efficient emulator for you, or enough geek hobbyists to spend long enough to finally get something good.

Have faith, there are finally good PS2 emulators.

Fast Memory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142093)

Did I just read 2400 MHz memory? When will i have 2400MHz system memory?

All white meat chicken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142187)

Every time I see specs for yet another more-resources-than-god video card I cant help but remember, and laugh, at the old 3dfx comercial about curing world hunger and engineering 'all white meat chicken'.

here is the link if you're not familiar with this classic commerical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o72T8qQr7GE

Hmmmmm.... (3, Insightful)

Overfiend1976 (979710) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142245)

I'm sorry, but I see the point of purchasing something like this as sensible as spending $12,000 out of pocket for the Adobe True Type font package. It's great and all that you can make things run at a barely perceptible higher speed, but at the cost of not only the card itself, but cooling, PSU, etc., I'd rather just stay with a more affordable card.

Meh (1, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142269)

My intel GMA950 is still overkill for Diablo II and Starcraft.

Please don't mention Diablo III or Starcraft II.

Will they price it right this time? (2, Funny)

Terranex (1500465) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142313)

The last time I recall ASUS doing this was with a Dual 7800GT Like this one [komplett.ie], and it did not sell very well due to being prohibitively expensive.

All white meat chicken (1)

e3m4n (947977) | more than 4 years ago | (#28142599)

Every time I see the specs of yet another more-resources-than-god video card, I cant help but remember, and laugh, at the old 3dfx commercial 'all white meat' where they talk about curing world hunger and engineering 'all white meat chicken'. for those that dont remember the commerical, here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o72T8qQr7GE [youtube.com]

Finally ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28142975)

Something that reminds me my beloved amiga !

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