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Microsoft Kills 3-App Limit For Windows 7 Starter Edition

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the crippleware-wasn't-politically-correct-anyway dept.

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Chabil Ha' writes "Heard the rumors that the much-maligned Windows 7 Starter Edition would be able to run more than three concurrent applications? Today, the Windows team made it official: 'Based on the feedback we've received from partners and customers asking us to enable a richer small notebook PC experience with Windows 7 Starter, we've decided to enable Windows 7 Starter customers the ability to run as many applications simultaneously as they would like, instead of being constricted to the 3 application limit that the previous Starter editions included. We believe these changes will make Windows 7 Starter an even more attractive option for customers who want a small notebook PC for very basic tasks, like browsing the web, checking email and personal productivity.' Small consolation, of course, if you want to watch a DVD natively, but I'm sure this won't stop the Slashdot crowd from enabling it."

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THIS JUST IN (5, Funny)

buttfscking (1515709) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146447)

Still not using it.

Re:THIS JUST IN (4, Insightful)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146457)

"a small notebook PC for very basic tasks"

I would never trust Windows to do anything OTHER than very basic tasks.

It's like trusting a 3 year old to stack all your fine China.

Re:THIS JUST IN (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146651)

a better example is sending an 8 year old to the grocery store. You CAN do it, but unless you give them VERY specific instructions they'll come back with a shopping cart full of poptarts and cereal.

Re:THIS JUST IN (5, Funny)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146755)

...they'll come back with a shopping cart full of poptarts and cereal.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Re:THIS JUST IN (5, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146817)

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Except this time, the poptarts is from the Russians and the cereal is from the NSA.

Re:THIS JUST IN (-1, Troll)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146777)

Depends when he was abducted him and skill of reprogramming.

Re:THIS JUST IN (4, Funny)

elashish14 (1302231) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147105)

A better example is giving a 10-year-old a new Honda Fit and telling him to go to the store. Relatively cheap car, probably going to get banged up, but dispensable. The alternative extreme is giving him a Porsche 911, considerably more expensive, and telling him to go to the store without turning it (and himself) into a flaming heap.

Wait, I forget what we were talking about

Re:THIS JUST IN (4, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146793)

The premium edition 3 year olds have been able to stack fine China for a while now, it just requires a plug-in for stability and hand-eye coordination.

Re:THIS JUST IN (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28147073)

Its Microsoft Bob Version 7

linux users suck my cock three times per day (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146449)

first post

Re:linux users suck my cock three times per day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146701)

fdadfhahfaha

Outbreak Of Sanity (5, Insightful)

maz2331 (1104901) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146451)

At least someone realized that it was an epicly bad idea before the thing was released into the real world.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146485)

At least someone realized that it was an epicly bad idea before the thing was released into the real world.

Maybe Microsoft are responding to competition for once.

I think they're finally listening to slashdot (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146595)

Time to stop posting so many helpful tips.

Re:I think they're finally listening to slashdot (3, Interesting)

Foredecker (161844) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146643)

Yes - we're watching :)

Re:I think they're finally listening to slashdot (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146735)

Don't I know it. While I've got you here... You do know that Microsoft's netbook definition also defines the Linux netbook that violates those rules as a premium item, right? Are you sure you want to do that?

Re:I think they're finally listening to slashdot (5, Interesting)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146963)

Linux wins another round. First, Linux in developing countries forced MS to break their "one price around the world" policy, creating the Starter Edition, then Linux on netbooks made MS extend XP and lower the price (further damaging Vista's sales), and now Linux on netbooks has forced MS to abandon its attempted segmentation of the market. Even without a large install base, Linux continues to be a force in the market.

Or you know, was the plan all along (5, Insightful)

Auraiken (862386) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146603)

This seems more like they were marketing it as going to be limited and people were turned off by that but it kept the product in the public eye. Waited for a bit. Now they're marketing it as without the limit as to improve the perception of the product, leading to more people wanting it.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (5, Interesting)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146725)

Maybe Microsoft are responding to competition for once.

Maybe.

But the rest of the likely limitations are fairly ridiculous too.

  1. Screen: Not to exceed 10.2"
  2. Memory: 1 GB RAM
  3. Storage: 250 GB HDD or 64 GB SDD
  4. Single core processors that :
    • do not exceed 2 GHz frequency, and
    • have a CPU thermal design power that is less than or equal to 15 W, not including the graphics and chipset.

The most interesting result will be if manufacturers take the opportunity to release higher specced netbooks with Linux than Microsoft will allow for Windows. I find it hard to believe Microsoft would shoot themselves in the foot like that, given netbooks are the currently the fastest growing computer segment. I'm fairly sure the RAM limitation at least will be dropped before these things hit the market.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (4, Insightful)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146769)

They might actually make more money this way. Microsoft seems torn between:
  1. Cripple the cheap version to force people to buy the expensive Windows while keeping the sticker price low. Most users don't consider switching to Linux an option so we can charge as much as we want.
  2. Maybe basic netbook users aren't even looking for advanced features that scare people away from a new OS

The only reason for arbitrary limitations (it costs them nothing to unlock them) is to encourage people to buy the more expensive version instead. That logic has worked in the past because users haven't seen anywhere else to go (except even further up the price range with Apple), but Linux is doing well on netbooks and I think MS is starting to figure that out.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (4, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147007)

That logic has worked in the past because users haven't seen anywhere else to go (except even further up the price range with Apple), but Linux is doing well on netbooks and I think MS is starting to figure that out.

The trouble is, Microsoft is just starting to figure it out, others are way ahead of them.

There's about to be a watershed in the OS field, and a company which is collecting 85%+ profits won't be able to compete. With Qualcomm, Freescale, Longsoon, et al prepping supercheap machines, there simply won't be the margins for an expensive MS OS. Microsoft will have to reduce its prices and profitability just to stay in the netbook/smartbook market.

They've even managed to scare their long-time collaborator, Intel, into developing Moblin. If Intel didn't do something to keep a toehold in the low-power/cost end of the market, they could see themselves swamped with ARM, MIPS, Snapdragon etc Linux netboox/smartbooks that are cheaper, get better battery life and still run most of the Linux application stack.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147091)

Most users don't consider switching to Linux an option so we can charge as much as we want.

Even more important from their POV is that your average Joe Sixpack or Aunt Millie doesn't even know Linux exists, so they're not aware a choice exists.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146923)

MS knows they have to release a rock bottom price version to remain competivive in the netbook/nettop market. At the same time they don't want people using the netbook version on higher end machines. Those requirements look to me mainly like an attempt to draw a line between netbooks and regular laptops.

I'm sure some netbook manufacturers will offer netbooks with specs that exceed theese bundled with either linux or a higher version of windows (HP already do this, you can get the mini 2140 with 2G of ram but only if you don't choose XP home).

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (1)

asavage (548758) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146945)

The biggest problems with those limitations I see is the RAM and SSD size. 2GB of RAM already costs next to nothing. You can already get netbooks with 64 GB of SSD. In a few years 64GB SSD might even be hard to buy. I guess they may alter the max specs every year.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147063)

That only applies to the significantly cheaper Starter Edition that's designed for netbooks. There's nothing stopping manufacturers from using a different version of Win7 that doesn't have those artificial restrictions in place, though of course there's also nothing stopping them from using Linux either, as you point out.

I think it'll prompted increased Linux availability on higher-end netbooks, but I still imagine Windows will significantly outsell them if only because that's what the vast majority of people are familiar with.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146503)

They believe it's now more attractive than a big pile of poo.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146607)

At least someone realized that it was an epicly bad idea before the thing was released into the real world.

One out of hundreds. Yay!

Does it still tell you to reinstall after chkdsk loses an activation file? (Yes, it happened on a legal copy of Vista. I suspect pirated versions don't have this feature.)

And, of course, Windows ME.

Re:Outbreak Of Sanity (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147127)

At least someone realized that it was an epicly bad idea before the thing was released into the real world.

Even Microsoft can't be that stupid to believe that most people would accept a three process limit. Granted that some would because they don't know any better but anyone with a even half a brain would start to realise that BSD and Linux distributions will run just about anything they want (games for windows aside) whether it be a netbook or even a full blown PC and there is no extra cost to do this.

At the moment the only counter to Linux Microsoft has is Games for Windows, Office/Exchange integration and plenty of FUD.

Other suggestions that make about as much sense (5, Funny)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146487)

* Disable the thing that shocks you with an electric shock every ten minutes (every thirty minutes if your OS validates as genuine)
* Remove the requirement to take, PCR, and compare a DNA sample at startup to allow WGA to know it's the same person
* Take that thing out of the EULA that allows MS to terminate your license or you at any time for any reason.

Re:Other suggestions that make about as much sense (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146513)

How about: Make Windows 7 Starter install 2 gigabytes of Hard Disk space :D

I just made the mistake of reinstalling Vista Home Basic on one of my systems the other day... 15 gigs of disk space to install 8-10 after installation... and nothing more than wordpad/notepad and a few crappy games to show for it.... uhmm I could get most of that with windows 2000 thankyouverymuch... what else do you have to offer me?

Re:Other suggestions that make about as much sense (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146805)

what else do you have to offer me?

Aero.

Millions and millions of bubbly little nothings, surrounded by chocolate.

All those nothings take up a heck of a lot of room....

Re:Other suggestions that make about as much sense (1)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147125)

Aero.

Reread the Coward's post. He said Vista Home Basic. That doesn't even come with Aero.

Re:Other suggestions that make about as much sense (5, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146521)

How about making window management not block when a modal dialog is open?

Re:Other suggestions that make about as much sense (4, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146877)

THIS.

Holy fuck, this.

Why do we *still* have windows you can't fucking minimize until you answer their inane questions?

Re:Other suggestions that make about as much sense (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146801)

Dont give the cubicle creeps and gutter geeks at MS ideas :)
MS genuine DNA ID, sends a small burst of your details back to the US after every login.
After 2 years MS knows a lot more about its user base :)

A new low for MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146493)

That's like Apple saying the next iPhone will have 0-9 on the keypad like everyone else, instead of only 0-4 as previously planned.

I guess MS ran out of things to say for Windows 7 so they made things up

"Even more attractive..." (5, Funny)

lastomega7 (1060398) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146501)

I don't get how it's "even more attractive"

MS: Ok so guys, you can only use 3 apps at a time on our new OS.
World: Well who would want to use that?
MS: Ok, we changed it back. Now it's even better than before!

Sigh.

Re:"Even more attractive..." (5, Funny)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146535)

They've been studying at the Coca-Cola school of marketing, apparently.

Re:"Even more attractive..." (1)

Jamie's Nightmare (1410247) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146605)

First of all, the "Starter Edition" is not intended for the entire "World". It is a low cost version of Windows for small computers that people like YOU could not go into Wal-Mart and purchase. This version is not for you or anyone you know. I can't stress that enough. Take yourself out of the picture, just this once.

The 3 application limit, while inconvenient for people like us who are not used to such restrictions, isn't nearly as bad as the trolls (see Slashdot) have made it out to be. Why is it attractive to people who need it? Because it's a cheaper version of the most popular and widely used OS on the planet. That usefulness far outweighs any other limitation they could put on it.

Re:"Even more attractive..." (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146635)

This version is not for you or anyone you know.

Who is it for, street people?

Re:"Even more attractive..." (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146827)

"Who is it for, street people?"

don't belittle my people you fuckin' fatass!

Re:"Even more attractive..." (1)

bigmadwolf (1411635) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146787)

Steve?

Re:"Even more attractive..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146633)

ASUS confirm it. [slashdot.org]

Re:"Even more attractive..." (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146891)

MS: Ok, we changed it back. Now it's even better than before!

CUSTOMER: Great. Thanks MS, you're the best! ...

...Wait a minute, now all my apps are limited to 640k!

WIndows 7 even more basic ed. (2, Interesting)

Squarewav (241189) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146541)

After how badly Vista Basic failed I find it odd that MS would try again, and even more odd that they would make an even more basic version of it. (yes I know starter has been around sense xp, but they are trying to sell it worldwide now)

I predict that it will follow the same path as Vista Basic

A few companies will try selling it with cheep entry level systems for 400. No one will buy them, and those that do will complain about how much Win7 sucks. In the end the companies will be forced to put home premium in order to sell them.

If starter was free to download and basic was less then $30 (retail) I could see some value in them for home builders and people who want to upgrade and want a low cost and legit version of 7

Re:WIndows 7 even more basic ed. (5, Interesting)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146597)

Who says it failed? Offering a cheaper version of Windows probably staves off defections to Free operating systems, even if no one actually buys it.

Microsoft is an excellent marketing organization. Most people probably believe that a cheaper OS costs less because less effort was put into producing it. It doesn't matter that, in fact, *more* effort must put into producing crippled versions of Windows. The average consumer equates cheap Windows with being less functional, and so by extension free software must be completely unusable.

It's all a very well-designed marketing scheme, and not a failure at all.

Re:WIndows 7 even more basic ed. (1)

zMaile (1421715) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146807)

So you're saying that the key to Linux's success is to charge people for it more than win7? To who do the 'donations' go to? A support company?

Re:WIndows 7 even more basic ed. (2, Interesting)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146989)

Those "donations" are called "profit". And they go to whomever can sell and support Linux as a functionally equivalent alternative to Windows.

This is how free markets work. I know this may be a new concept since it doesn't exist in most mature industries. You sell at the market price, or slightly less. If your new product is a successful alternative, then over time, your profits will rise, the market price will drop, and you can invest in lowing your production costs. Inefficient competitors will not be able to keep up, and will go bankrupt and exit the market.

Of course, this mostly assumes lack of government interference, cronyism, or monopolies. It also assumes there is such a thing as a "market price" to begin with.

Re:WIndows 7 even more basic ed. (1)

Ken_g6 (775014) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146977)

So in case any average consumer reads this, let's put an end to that myth. For instance, I'll compare the Starter Win7 disabled list in TFA with Puppy Linux:

  • Aero Glass - well, Puppy has Compiz-Fusion [wikipedia.org] .
  • Personalization features - Yes. [wikipedia.org]
  • User switching - I couldn't find Puppy specifically, but most Linux can [linuxforums.org] .
  • Multi-monitor support - Yes [murga-linux.com] , although spreading windows across more than one screen at once is iffier.
  • DVD playback - probably; but might have to install VLC Media Player or something (which you can [murga-linux.com] ).
  • Windows Media Center - well, not Windows, but definitely media [wikipedia.org] .
  • Remote Media Streaming - If Linux can, Puppy can with VLC. You can definitely stream from a Windows machine to Puppy. [engadget.com]
  • Domain support - Yes, [onlamp.com] with Puppy 4.1 [dedoimedo.com] .
  • XP Mode - well, no, but installing Wine may give compatibility similar to Windows 7! :P

Re:WIndows 7 even more basic ed. (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146867)

"After how badly Vista Basic failed"

[citation needed]

Aww (1)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146545)

Just when you thought Mr C Sense had been a casualty of the Redmond lay-off spree it turns out he was just hiding under a desk all along, not wanting to draw too much attention to himself.

Re:Aww (1)

LordKaT (619540) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146703)

I'm sorry, but as a C programmer I have to say that C doesn't make a lick of sense.

Re:Aww (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146931)

I'm sorry, but as a C programmer I have to say that C doesn't make a lick of sense.

Then you're a lousy C programmer.

Who says netbooks are only suited for basic tasks? (5, Informative)

Entropius (188861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146551)

Microsoft's line about netbooks being only suited for rudimentary computing tasks is full of shit.

I'm typing this on a eeepc: 1.6GHz Atom cpu, 2GB ram, blah blah blah. Microsoft (and others) may have this attitude that netbooks are only suitable for checking email, updating Facebook status, and the like ... and that you need a "real computer" for "real computing". That's absurd.

Yes, they're not the most powerful computers around. But they're about as powerful as desktops of five years ago. I run dozens of Firefox tabs, Skype, OpenOffice, GIMP, Picasa, Pidgin, my camera's timelapse software (Olympus Studio), and other stuff, often at the same time ... with no problems at all, and with plenty of CPU to spare. Of course I can do this -- people were loading old desktops this hard and nobody complained that they weren't "suitable for serious computing". If I wanted to run apache and serve webpages on this machine I certainly could -- I did it on my old crappy desktop when I was an undergrad, after all!

Saying that a netbook isn't a real computer is like saying a Toyota Yaris isn't a real car just because it only has a 100 hp engine. Sure, if you want to tow things you need something different -- just like if you want to play Crysis you need a desktop (replacement), and if you want to do lattice quantum chromodynamics you need a supercomputer.

A netbook is a small, full-featured computer that can make use of all of the flexibility of a full-featured operating system.

Re:Who says netbooks are only suited for basic tas (5, Insightful)

jo42 (227475) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146569)

Marketing has a very, very short memory. Not too long ago people where word-processing, spread-sheeting, data-basing, developing software and even Windows, heck, even using AutoCAD on a Pentium II. Or a 486 if you go farther back a bit more.

Actually... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146675)

You can sit by the pool and play Crysis or use Photoshop or Autocad on your netbook with wireless, even on Linux. You just RDP to the machine that's doing the heavy lifting. I would recommend external video and I/O for the fine work, but for getting some quality WoW time while you're making sure the kids don't drown the basic kit should be OK.

Re:Actually... (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146861)

Right -- I intentionally didn't count that, since the point I was trying to make was that netbooks are suitable for much more than dumb terminal use (counting "facebook client" as a dumb-terminal-type application). Today I was using my netbook to ssh to a 10,000+ CPU computer in Texas to generate data and my dinky quadcore desktop at home to analyze it, neither of which the netbook would be able to handle on its own (although I wouldn't be surprised if Atoms power the next generation of supercomputers... how do they compare with Opterons in flops/watt?)

I'm surprised by that, though. How much bandwidth does it take to send game-type 3D renders through the network? That's impressive.

Re:Actually... (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146919)

You probably want the YouTube link [youtube.com] . 802.11g is 50Mbps, and some vendors offer a Turbo-G that does twice that. It's more than sufficient, even without considering 802.11n. If you're really interested, check the related videos.

Re:Actually... (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147003)

Uh, that youtube link is a fake. :)

Re:Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146899)

uh.. gfx accelerated apps don't jive real well with RDP.

Re:Who says netbooks are only suited for basic tas (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146723)

Geez, this Eee PC 701 with 600 MHz processor is my main machine. I use it for everything.

GENIUS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146553)

GENIUS
Announce that your are removing restrictions from your software to make it more attractive, but you purposely created these restrictions to start with.
Profit!

Windows 7 is a good release (-1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146555)

It seems Microsoft has really made a good Windows release, I'm not just talking about the notebook anymore, even on the desktop Windows 7 is pretty good. Well I can say Windows 7 will never out preform my Linux install I have to it credit of being just as fast and stable as XP. Can't wait to see what else this new version has in store for us! :-)

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146585)

shill much?

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (4, Insightful)

exploder (196936) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146667)

"It's not as good as Linux, but it may be as good as their own product from eight years ago."

Yeah, that's a real effective shill.

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (2, Informative)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146619)

From what I heard the early RC was light, stable etc but has recently taken on a rather hefty meal or ten making it as bloated as Vista was. It seems that the initial "light and snappy" version was only designed to get people to have a favorable impression, a bit like bribing the bloggers for favorable reviews. If this is true then Windows 7 is just Vista with a make over as many predicted all along.

From what I hear Windows 7 has as much chance of running on a netbook as Vista does, it'll be interesting how they take the knife to it to make it work as they are desperate to deny customers the choice of XP anywhere, while also denying Linux any of the market. All the while convince people to cough up a significant percentage of the netbook price for Windows. It's a fine balance and one that's gonna be hilarious to watch.

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (4, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146697)

How can you really believe that? Do you really think that Microsoft released a great version that everyone liked, just to trick people before giving them a shittier version?? What possible motivation could they have to do that?

I swear, the die-hard MS haters make that company out to be some sort of cartoon villain.

For the record, my 6 year old laptop runs the latest version of W7 just fine. I doubt I'll put it on my desktop any time soon, but if/when my employer rolls it out, I won't mind.

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146943)

"How can you really believe that? Do you really think that Microsoft released a great version that everyone liked, just to trick people before giving them a shittier version?? What possible motivation could they have to do that?"
          I don't know, but it's not unprecedented. They did EXACTLY this with Windows 95 -- as much as the Windows lovers reminisce, Windows 95 was buggy, bloated (for the time) and slow. The "Windows 4.0" prereleases? They had basically the same requirements as WIndows 3.1... it mysteriously bloated up in the final months before release.

          Note, I'm not going to claim anything of the sort for Win7, but I am confused -- earlier reviews made it out like WIn7 was far faster than Vista, while the more recent ones peg it at like a 5-10% speedup. Something's up...

In an unrelated note,
"Small consolation, of course, if you want to watch a DVD natively, but I'm sure this won't stop the Slashdot crowd from enabling it."
          The Slashdot crowd doesn't use Windows, so they have no reason to enable DVD playback on a crippled version of it.

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146993)

It is not a large speedup because Vista isn't all that slow compared to XP. Everyone is benchmarking it against a Vista that has been worked on to address its early problems.

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147041)

It is not a large speedup because Vista isn't all that slow compared to XP.

Yes, yes it is. Lets see, I had a Intel Cellron M at 1.5 Ghz with 512 MB of RAM laptop with XP pre installed on it. I also had a Pentium Dual Core 1.6 Ghz with 512 MB of RAM with Vista basic pre installed on that laptop. Which one had the higher specs? The Vista laptop had faster RAM, a faster CPU, better integrated graphics, and should have ran Vista perfectly. However it failed miserably, lockups every few seconds, even checking e-mail or browsing the internet seemed to take forever, on the other hand the XP laptop ran quickly with no slowdowns with more programs running in the background (such as IMs, etc.) while the Vista laptop had only the base Windows system with all OEM bloatware stripped out running only IE and Windows Mail. Yes, theres a huge difference between XP and Vista speedwise.

Re:Windows 7 is a good release (2, Informative)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147089)

You don't have enough RAM, plain and simple. Instead of $5 worth, you should go for $20 worth.

"even more attractive"... what? (5, Funny)

Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146561)

We believe these changes will make Windows 7 Starter an even more attractive option for customers who want a small notebook PC for very basic tasks, like browsing the web, checking email and personal productivity.' Small consolation, of course, if you want to watch a DVD natively

Wow. Microsoft basically took a market where Linux and Apple excel in (customers who just want to do basic tasks with minimal hassle) and crippled the features that make Windows even slightly attractive in that arena. Now they un-crippled one of those features. That's not "even more attractive"; That's "somewhat less ridiculous".

I have a new bullshit meter. It measures in units of "picosofts".

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (2, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146581)

I have a new bullshit meter. It measures in units of "picosofts".

Hey, I might start using that.

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146705)

Linux users want to do things with minimum hassle? Have you used it? For about 5 years I thought the entire point of using Linux was to endlessly dick around with my configuration and have basic functionality mostly work.

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (1, Insightful)

basementman (1475159) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146783)

As a Linux user I find it hilarious that Slashdot thinks Linux in general can be used with minimal hassle.

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (5, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146927)

Sure it can.

I use ubuntu on both my laptop and desktop. Both work just fine with very little hassle.

Ever tried installing Windows on a machine and then spending the next few hours updating drivers and security patches, and then downloading all the stuff you need (firefox/OpenOffice/trillian/winamp/whatever) to actually get your stuff done? THAT is a hassle.

Installing Ubuntu consists of:

1) stick thumbdrive in netbook
2) boot netbook
3) click "install" and decide how big you want the partition to be
4) notice that while you're doing that it has found your wireless network
5) run pidgin and talk to people while waiting a few minutes for the install
6) tell friends you're going down for reboot and will be right back
7) boot working system with tons of useful software

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (1, Interesting)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146975)

Installing isn't using. You also forgot step 8:

Wonder how you are going to get to the docs about configuring your non-working wifi connection going. That was Ubuntu. Or rewrite my X.Config or whatever it's called now so I can use my widescreen monitor. That was Ubuntu, too. Seriously, I was writing Modelines in 1998, what the fuck?

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28147061)

I didn't mention that because it didn't happen to me.

My desktop's monitor is 1680x1050. Worked fine out of the box. My netbook's display is 1024x600, a nonstandard resolution if I've ever seen one. Also works fine.

My netbook's wireless also worked just fine -- in fact, it worked without me even thinking about it, since I got a status message during install: "We found some wifi, do you want to connect?"

Some people do have trouble with wifi and Ubuntu, but that's hardly Ubuntu's fault; typically it's because the manufacturer can't be arsed to write linux drivers, and the community has to reverse-engineer stuff and use ndiswrapper. Windows doesn't have to mess with any of this.

For how little support Broadcom gives Linux, it's remarkable that wifi *does* work out of the box so frequently.

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (0, Troll)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147107)

Yep, Linux is the only place in the world where crappy hardware support is acceptable or even desirable. When Vista broke driver compatibility and left peripherals out in the cold it was MS's fault.

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (1)

ubergeek09 (1412177) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147031)

When I set up ubuntu on my laptop I had to tell alsa which sound card I had, but after that I've really had no problems with it at all.

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146951)

I have a new bullshit meter. It measures in units of "picosofts".

I think pico is a little too fine grained. What about something bigger .... like, microsofts maybe? ;-)

Cheers

Re:"even more attractive"... what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28147121)

But how many LoC of bullshit are in a picosoft?

Still waiting for another move.. (1)

moon3 (1530265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146601)

I am becoming tired of paying $300 for Windows. They should reevaluate this too and come up with more reasonable price plan.

The real question is... (1)

jdong (1378773) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146653)

what are they gonna do about the 3-app limit on this Vista machine I'm using at work?

In related news (1, Troll)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146657)

Microsoft took out the limitation of Windows 2009 server of running more than 10 simultaneous tasks, if your computer is a 486.

Re:In related news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146933)

My liquid helium cooled 486 runs at 6.2GHz, you insensitive clod! Why must you toy with my hopes so cruelly?

old news aside, windows 7 is amazing! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146661)

I swear I read this like a month ago on /. but I guess it's just slashdot being slashdot. Anyway... I love Windows 7... It's my fav OS yet! There are a few kinks in it still but you won't notice them unless you are trying to massacre your machine and see what it can really do. What is crazier is that it operates so much better than XP and has a higher compatibility level than XP (also has XP mode for the adventurers)

It works so well (and the benchmarks show it) that we replaced XP Corporate 64bit at work with Windows 7. After many updates (including Adobe's updates) it never crashed once. I want to applaud Microsoft for finally doing something right. Aside with practically copying OSX with almost everything, they did a good job.

Now if only they could make only 3 Windows7 SKU's >: (

Re:old news aside, windows 7 is amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146853)

I think three Windows 7 SKUs is a great idea. The versions should be like XP, where there is a Home edition, a Pro edition, and a VLK edition.

The VLK would be like the Pro edition, except with no product activation. This means no KMS servers, or anything of the like.

By Microsoft doing this, the increased sales to businesses would more than offset the losses due to piracy. This also would allow Windows 7 on networks that just don't connect to the Internet at all, and where a reimage of a box doesn't mean calling MS for a manual activation for each non connected machine.

Re:old news aside, windows 7 is amazing! (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147009)

By Microsoft doing this, the increased sales to businesses would more than offset the losses due to piracy. This also would allow Windows 7 on networks that just don't connect to the Internet at all, and where a reimage of a box doesn't mean calling MS for a manual activation for each non connected machine.
According to MS you can telephone activate a KMS and then use that KMS to activate all the boxes on the non-internet connected network.

Re:old news aside, windows 7 is amazing! (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146949)

[citation needed]

Seriously, how is it better than XP?

Also, should we be surprised that it doesn't crash? The world has lots of Linux machines that people just forget about, shoved under desks and in closets, that sit there doing their jobs without people worrying about them crashing.

If MS can make an operating system that doesn't crash much ... well, hooray. That's like making a car whose brakes work.

I am loving it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146671)

It does not include:
Personalization features for changing desktop backgrounds, window colors, or sound schemes.

There, saved 512MB of RAM usage!

Surprise, surprise.... (4, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146685)

Impose an artificial 3-app limit in a new OS. The get all sorts of positive press coverage when you rescind that limit. Brilliant marketing.

.
But what about the technical aspect of this? Microsoft is pulling out all the stops in its attempt to create a "marketing buzz" for Windows 7. Was Vista really that bad that Microsoft has to attempt to manipulate the press and websites to this extent in order to give the illusion that Windows 7 is better?

If Windows Vista was so bad, do you really expect Windows 7 (a.k.a. Windows Vista 1.2) to be that much better? Or is the marketing effort the actual improvement here?

Does the Emperor really have clothes this time?

Re:Surprise, surprise.... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28146747)

Completely indepdent bloggers with no known connection to Microsoft together all say the same thing: this is the most exciting Microsoft product yet. Ordinarily, I would bash Microsoft like those poseurs trying to establish hipster cred with their iPod phones or smelly basement-dwelling command-prompt Ubunix lusers. But now, for once, Microsoft has earned its great reputation.

I've heard things, a buzz or rumor, from the people who would know, people who are impartial and love that WIndows 7. A friend of a friend saw some internal demos, not available to men with small penises or skin rashes. It'll blow you away when you get to see it. Which pretty much only very cool people get to early on. So, don't go around spreading rumors about how mind-bending Windows 7 is ... unless ... you want people to know that you are really cool.

Re:Surprise, surprise.... (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146855)

Troll? That, sir, is an example of genuine internet gibberish.

Re:Surprise, surprise.... (1)

timpdx (1473923) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146893)

Brilliant marketing, in this case, well, maybe. But brilliant marketing overall, as a company, M$ can be pretty poor. Just look at the Bing release. Hoopla, media attention galore, and what do people *still* get when the enter bing.com into their browser? "Coming Soon." yeah. Just what I want to see on a big, mother-of-all-launches-to-take-on-google hype machine. Well, they sure blew it, yesterday & today Bing was the talk of the office, but, meh, who in my office is going to remember Bing in the middle of next week when the media machine has moved on and there is work to get done? Well, rescinding the 3 app limit may be good marketing, but, boy does M$ know how to blow it sometimes.

Re:Surprise, surprise.... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#28146981)

Was Vista really that bad that Microsoft has to attempt to manipulate the press and websites to this extent in order to give the illusion that Windows 7 is better?

If Microsoft ever fails to convince people their newest stuff is better, than they're out of business.

The new hotness is always the new hotness, and the old and busted must be replaced for a generous amount of money they'll happily accept from you.

What are they going to say, "now, 10% better"??

Cheers

Re:Surprise, surprise.... (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147043)

Was Vista really that bad that Microsoft has to attempt to manipulate the press and websites to this extent in order to give the illusion that Windows 7 is better?

Now whatever gave you the impression that a company needs a reason to overhype their newest product?

No Way (1)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147045)

Who would've thunk it [slashdot.org] .

Apple's netbook / tablet PC will be out sometime in 2010 and, as usual, it will rewrite the rules and Microsoft will then change these silly specifications in an attempt to try and catch up to Apple. I've seen this movie before.

Still a POS (3, Informative)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147049)

Windows 7 Starter does not include:
        * Personalization features for changing desktop backgrounds, window colors, or sound schemes.
        * DVD playback.
        * Windows Media Center for watching recorded TV or other media.
        * Remote Media Streaming for streaming your music, videos, and recorded TV from your home computer.
        * Domain support for business customers.
        * XP Mode for those that want the ability to run older Windows XP programs on Windows 7.

I especially like the part about not supporting XP mode... so it can't run XP apps... which are the only apps spec'd to run on it. Granted, XP mode is a VM hack that really can't run on it, but if you're not sticking with Windows for compatability on your netbook, wtf are you sticking with Windows for? Honestly, the only remaining compatibility issues on Linux are precisely the things Microsoft has banned from starter.

Maybe the 3 program count... (1)

fluch (126140) | more than 5 years ago | (#28147067)

Maybe M$ realized that the three program count would be reached to easily without (!) the user intervention: "Sorry, three viruses are already running, application limit reached. We are sorry for the inconvenience this cased." ;-)

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