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Sorry For the Detainment, Here's a Laptop

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the fair-is-fair dept.

The Military 218

A select group of 17 Uighur Muslims held in Guantánamo, and waiting for a nation to grant them asylum are getting laptops and web training from the US military. Their web training will take place in a virtual computer lab the military has set up. The lessons will be limited to DVD language training as well as a basic users skill — set to help in any future employment options. Nury Turkel, an Uighur rights activist, said the training would help the men "be reintroduced into a modern society," adding that it "also would give hope to the men that their freedom is nearing." This special group already gets to order fast food and use a phone booth for weekly calls. I think the government is on to something here. Nothing keeps a man pacified like an occasional phone call, a cheeseburger, and surfing for a little porn.

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FIST SPORT (-1, Troll)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185539)

The laptops come pre-loaded with 4chan's finest child porn, just to help the mudslums feel at home.

These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185787)

They could be. Would you want them driving your taxi cab? Flipping your burgers? Digging up your main sewer line? No?. They are in Gitmo because YOU DON'T WANT THEM doing those things. OK, send them back to wherever they come from, but then they'll just amke more bombs and kill more Americans. You fucking bleading heart liberal socialists need a quick lesson in The World in the 21st Century. It is US against them.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (5, Insightful)

danking (1201931) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185843)

I think a lot of people there are detained as POW. They are not terrorists, they simply lived in a country and were part of an army that the USA decided to invade.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (0, Troll)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185867)

and people like you make the rest of us question whether our "side" deserves to win sometimes.

By the way, the terrorists have nearly won already. We're less free and have less of the ethical high ground than ever before.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (5, Informative)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185933)

"Coalition military intelligence officials estimated that 70% to 90% of prisoners detained in Iraq since the war began last year 'had been arrested by mistake,' according to a confidential Red Cross report given to the Bush administration earlier this year." http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0511-04.htm [commondreams.org] "In February, an American military official disclosed that the Afghan guerrilla commander whose men had arrested Mr. Dilawar and his passengers had himself been detained. The commander, Jan Baz Khan, was suspected of attacking Camp Salerno himself and then turning over innocent "suspects" to the Americans in a ploy to win their trust, the military official said. The three passengers in Mr. Dilawar's taxi were sent home from Guantánamo in March 2004, 15 months after their capture, with letters saying they posed 'no threat' to American forces." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?ei=5088&en=4579c146cb14cfd6&ex=1274241600&pagewanted=all [nytimes.com]

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186129)

Nice non sequiter there. Of the "70% to 90%" who were picked up, almost all of them were cleared and released immediately. Those detentions have nothing at all to do with Gitmo.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (2, Interesting)

ZombieWomble (893157) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186709)

So, taking numbers from Wikipedia's article on Guantanamo [wikipedia.org]:

775 prisoners have been delivered to Guantanamo. Of these, 420 have been released without charge already, and of those that remain only 60 to 80 actually have pending charges. The rest will be freed (once there's somewhere to put them). So, if anything, the accuracy of imprisoning people in Guantanamo is actually worse than general picking up of people in Iraq, not better.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (2, Insightful)

radtea (464814) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186533)

"Coalition military intelligence officials estimated that 70% to 90% of prisoners detained in Iraq since the war began last year 'had been arrested by mistake

The calculation in my .sig is based on the assumption that error rates amongst the detainees are no greater than those made by American police officers who shoot the wrong person when discharging a weapon after arriving at the scene of an altercation. That left-wing America-hating organization, the NRA, has done research to document that the cops shoot the wrong person about 10% of the time, as opposed to Real Americans, who shoot the wrong person about 2% of the time.

Of course, given the "fog of war" and the incentives to use non-judicial detainment as a way of getting back at your enemies, the probable fraction of innocents in Guantanamo is much higher. And to the anonymous coward who claims below that we can't infer anything about the fraction of innocents in Guantanamo Bay based on the astonishingly high fraction of innocent detainees in Afghanistan: what are the judicial procedures employed by American forces to ensure guilt prior to incarceration in Guantanamo?

Many centuries of blood-soaked history have taught us that a public and speedy trial by a judge who is applying more-or-less clearly defined laws is the only thing that is remotely likely to protect the innocent accused from zealous cowards who would otherwise see them punished without trial. No one who is in touch with reality at all can think that there are not many innocents in Guantanamo Bay, and anyone who loves America and the principles for which it once stood should be clamouring to have everyone either tried in public in the normal American system of courts, or released.

Advocating anything else is evidence of a profound hatred for everything that once made America a great and admirable republic.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (0, Redundant)

Beezlebub33 (1220368) | more than 4 years ago | (#28187041)

anyone who loves America and the principles for which it once stood should be clamouring to have everyone either tried in public in the normal American system of courts, or released.

Released where? That's the question. At this point, we'd love to release the Uighurs; should we 'release' them in China? They'd be tortured. And we'd love to release lots and lots of Yeminis. Should we release them into Cuba? Or into the Atlantic? Or Miami? How about into your neighborhood?

Your post seems like someone who's really pissed at the current situation, which is well and truly screwed up, but doesn't have a solution to solve it. The current Adminstration is working to get many of these people asylum in various countries, but they don't want them, and it appears that they don't want to come to the US, and the Congresscritters certainly don't want them to come to the US. So, it's going to take a while.

Re:These ARE FUCKING TERRORISTS what don't you get (2, Interesting)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28187155)

Personally, I'm willing to have these people in my neighborhood. The biggest threat to my safety I perceive is from vigilantes bent on finding and killing them, not the prisoners themselves.

Clearly full of spy tools. (0)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185551)

I'm sure they gave them laptops free of any spying programs. BTW mahmud, who you talking to in swat province?

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

theNetImp (190602) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185593)

I'm sure that phone booth isn't bugged either.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (0, Troll)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185697)

So it seems like soon the level of freedom in our illegal prisons and the general populace will converge on some middle ground like this one. We should all be grateful to our fast-food providing overlords. I miss freedom, QQ.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (0, Troll)

gnick (1211984) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186025)

I miss freedom, QQ.

You used to be free? Where are you from? I'd like to move there. I appreciate what I have here in the US, but I define a free country as being one that simply provides basic services to its citizens and implements laws to the extent that people are protected from one another. If that exists on Earth, I've yet to find it.

Back on-topic, it sounds like these folks are being prepped for return to somewhere in the West (TFA states English and Spanish language training). I usually like seeing states being allowed for themselves what they'd like to do, but we've made such a mess of this that I don't care if Virginia's legislators are objecting to these guys moving there - Force them to take them regardless if we can't find a friendlier place. It'll be tough on these guys, but probably a big step up from Gitmo. And with the integration training they're getting and support from the local Uighur population, maybe they can avoid some of the Gitmo stigma.

There must be a tacky "What's shipped to Cuba, stays in Cuba," joke here.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (0, Flamebait)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186859)

Stated more articulately, i miss the former priority in the US of becoming more egalitarian. In our country's beginning slavery was legal. In the 50s we experimented on the mentally disabled and ill. In the 60s (and before obviously) we persecuted minorities for trying to exercise their rights. In the 60s-70s we drafted and sent people to their deaths in war without allowing them the right to vote (draft age was 18, voting age was 21). These things aren't done anymore, and certainly not on an institutionalized scale. These things are now not acceptable. This is a good thing. As a nation, we have a history of eventually responding to dissent with corrective action (getting better). We are departing from that history and descending into barbarism in our dealings with a threat that does not merit it.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

Forge (2456) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185701)

What I found interesting is this line "...waiting for a nation to grant them asylum"

So ohm... Nobody wants them? I mean seriously, Guantanamo Bay is America's little piece of Cuba but it's a safe bet these men are not from America or Cuba . (Say what you will about Castro, he dose not let anyone else mistreat Cubans.)

What about the countries they originally came from? Do they not want them back? Why? Or is it that they don't want to go back? If so why?

Not passing judgments or anything, just really curious.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (2, Informative)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185781)

(Say what you will about Castro, he dose not let anyone else mistreat Cubans.)

So Castro's like an abusive, jealous spouse? Cool.

Per your question, RTFA or google a bit. If TL;DR, then the take away is that they're from western China and are already members of a persecuted minority. They'll all but certainly be killed if we send them back to China. No one else wants them, or if you read into it a bit, perhaps other countries enjoy leaving us between a rock and a hard place ethically.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185825)

What about the countries they originally came from? Do they not want them back? Why?

No. They don't want them back. Why? Because at best they're extremists seeking to cause strife and at worst they're real, live, actual, honest-to-goodness terrorists.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

xenolion (1371363) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185839)

Those are the questions that the American Media does not want you to ask or know. Their original countries do not want them back cause guess what they are considered terrorist in their home lands or unable to conform to the way the country has changed and their home country helped put them where they are. That would be my only guess on why they would have to "Wait for asylum" If they did nothing wrong then they would be welcome back home no questions asked. If you have to wait for asylum then something is wrong and that brings up a red flag..

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

eggnoglatte (1047660) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186015)

Right, because all possible home countries in the middle east are beacons of enlightenment and tolerance, where no innocent person from a religious or ethnic minority would ever be tortured or killed. /rolls eyes/

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

xenolion (1371363) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186233)

I'm just stating that I've never read a story of someone waiting to go HOME needing asylum. If they want to head back to the middle east we have planes heading there all the time it wouldn't be hard to get them there.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186257)

Right, because all possible home countries in the middle east are beacons of enlightenment and tolerance, where no innocent person from a religious or ethnic minority would ever be tortured or killed. /rolls eyes/

No one said that. Many people who were in Gitmo have been released back to their home countries. So, it does make you wonder why no one will take the ones that are left and awaiting release.

I do think it is up to the US to find somewhere to let these guys go if we are not going to charge them, but if they were just some innocent farmers we picked up one would think their home countries would not have a problem with us dropping them back off.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (3, Informative)

piquadratCH (749309) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186385)

What about the countries they originally came from? Do they not want them back? Why? Or is it that they don't want to go back? If so why?

Oh, most of their countries of origin would love to take them back. Then throw them into jail and torture them. In the specific case of the 17 Uighurs, the country of origin is China. We all know how much China likes members of ethnic minorities, especially if said members were in Afghanistan and could have been subject to terrorist training. The Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] got a bit of background information on the topic.

The Guananamo Uighurs are also a subject of discussion in e.g. Germany. While the possible threat of terrorism is generally assessed as non-existant, the German government tries hard to avoid any quarrels with China. Granting asylum to these detainees would certainly stress the diplomatic relationship between the two countries.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28187053)

Maybe the US could leave Gitmo and the people there, with their own little tiny country, "Bitofcuba".

People reading this article should realise that some people can get to be the real unfortunate victims of international politics. There's no proof they were anything but innocent, they've already had years of their lives stolen away from them in unpleasant conditions, its unsafe to return to their home country because they will be persecuted, and no other country will take them because the whole world is China's bitch. Including the US.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (0, Troll)

amilo100 (1345883) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186747)

(Say what you will about Castro, he dose not let anyone else mistreat Cubans.)

Dude, really? Castro rents Cuban doctors out to 3rd world countries and does not allow them to keep their salary (the Cuban government takes the biggest cut) - so het is basically a slave trader. He also keeps their family in Cuba to ensure that they do not defect to other countries.

Unlike what the left in the USA likes to believe, Castro is a dictatorial prick - and not a benevolent dictator.

Re:Clearly full of spy tools. (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186079)

I'm sure what they're doing is fully logged. What better intelligence gathering source that give a bunch of (suspected) terrorists laptops. Once they feel safe with them, they'll go to any online communication method available and try to contact their peers/handlers.

    Of course, that's the 10% of them that actually are terrorists. The rest are going to write to try to contact their families and let them know that they're still alive. ... and then look at porn. :)

Missing option... (2, Funny)

bughunter (10093) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185563)

an occasional phone call, a cheeseburger, and surfing for a little porn

I dunno. I can only eat, chat, and fap so much. But I could play CivIII [civfanatics.com] day and night.

Re:Missing option... (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186115)

I can only eat, chat, and fap so much.

Eat, fat, and chapped?

Sounds remarkably like my lovelife.

Surfing a little porn (4, Funny)

notarockstar1979 (1521239) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185569)

Nothing keeps a man pacified like an occasional phone call, a cheeseburger, and surfing for a little porn.

Tell my boss that. He won't let me surf porn or make personal calls at work. Cheeseburgers are alright though.

Re:Surfing a little porn (3, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185899)

And they wonder why people are so lonely, sexually frustrated, and obese these days...

Re:Surfing a little porn (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186293)

For call girls, surfing for porn is great, the occasional phone call comes in, and cheeseburgers are not allowed for the potential effect on revenue.

future employment options (1, Funny)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185595)

I dunno, I'm sure some of their resumes are stocked full of skills that some countries would be interested in.

Re:future employment options (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185611)

Willingness to blow ones self up is a skill?

Re:future employment options (0, Troll)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186281)

<quote><p>I dunno, I'm sure some of their resumes are stocked full of skills that some countries would be interested in.</p></quote>

US likes them so much they won't let them go away.

Uighurs (5, Interesting)

wiggles (30088) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185639)

For those not in the know, these prisoners are a tough case. The Chinese don't want them back (they're nasty separatist rebels to them), and they don't want to go back to China as it is for fear of waking up one morning with a bullet in their heads. They really don't belong in Gitmo -- they're not full-on Al Qaeda. Nobody in the US wants to grant them asylum because they're former gitmo detainees. The last thing the US wants is to release them to somebody like Yemen or Saudi Arabia, where they can become full-on Al Qaeda. A US judge said they have to be released, but didn't specify to which country. This whole thing is just a mess...

Re:Uighurs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185703)

I'm not sure they would want to come here, because of the way we've treated them. But the US SHOULD offer them asylum as something of an apology. Anyone who objects should be sent to Gitmo in their place.

Sorry but that is the answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185717)

Turn them over to the Chicoms.

Re:Uighurs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185751)

For God's sake, just shoot the fuckers. I don't see what the big deal is.

Re:Uighurs (1, Flamebait)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185817)

Hopefully we won't because that's another step on the road we're going down already. The road to government shooting any of us at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

The rule of law is our friend, and our best defense against the capriciousness of government.

Re:Uighurs (1)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186177)

That they are being treated reasonably well for people in their situation is commendable. That there is no where to send them that will accept them is unfortunate, but at least there isn't a 21st century version of the Australian penal colony model up and running at the moment--I am rather glad we don't have a decent space program in this regard--sending people to Mars would be way too convenient for some, and it would certainly be a one-way trip

Re:Uighurs (2, Insightful)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186699)

Okay, but my point is that ad hoc, extralegal "justice" erodes the actual justice system. The entire government justification for Guantanamo undermines confidence in the judiciary and places more unconstitutional power in the hands of the executive. These things have far-reaching, currently under-appreciated consequences.

Re:Uighurs (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185907)

Actually, there is only one thing to be done with these people: take them into the USA, compensate them for their wrongful imprisonment, and finally allow them the chance to live a life of freedom. In other words, ATONE for what you did to them.

Any upstanding American should be ashamed of what his or her country has done and still is doing to these men. Let all the NIMBYs fuck off, too - if I lived in the USA, I'd gladly have these people in my neighbourhood, and I'd show them what America is REALLY like. I'd show them friendliness, hospitality, tolerance and helpfulness, and I'm sure that this would not only be the right thing to do but also the best way of making sure that these folks will come to regard America as their friend in the end.

Re:Uighurs (3, Funny)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186775)

If they woke up in the morning and had a bullet in their heads wouldn't that make them some sort of Chinese highlanders?

a political problem, not legal (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186827)

There is not a real problem here. I'm a former refugee (along with my family), lived with tortured persons, and families of political prisoners and know there are international laws and conventions that define what to do when you have people not welcomed in their own country. This false problem is because the US don't have the political will to apply those conventions after the mess they have created.

Re:Uighurs (1)

aarennaar (1568239) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186925)

Actually, the Chinese do want them. But as prisoners, to be tried for treason/sedition/terrorism. The US demurs, because it 'fears the Uighurs will be tortured and generally mistreated'. The Chinese scoff and call that fear 'rich', seeing that the Uighurs were all this while resident at Gitmo!! So this is a case of the US govt telling the rest of the world - do what I say, not what I do!!!

Sorry? (5, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185645)

As waterboarding wasnt giving enough answers, they changed tactics and now are giving them laptops with Windows ME and Microsoft Bob. I'm sure there are international laws against that inhuman methods of torture.

Porn (1, Funny)

Andoman78 (1527629) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185653)

Surfing porn attempting to get an idea of what those 70 virgins will look like.

Re:Porn (0, Redundant)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186983)

If they want to see 70+ virgins they should just surf slashdot. Oh, wait, you mean female virgins?

Right. (-1, Troll)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185657)

Give a terrorist the tools and knowledge to conspire against us with people around the globe, instantly. What could possibly go wrong?

Re:Right. (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185757)

Give a terrorist the tools and knowledge to conspire against us with people around the globe, instantly. What could possibly go wrong?

These people are not considered terrorists. That's why they have to be released sooner rather than later.

They are currently being held because they can't go back to China, and they haven't yet found a place that can give them asylum.

Cheers

Re:Right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186335)

If the USA took them from their original country, and they can't/won't go back, then it should give them asylum as part recourse for messing up their lives so badly.

Of course, there's still the issue of the torture...

Re:Right. (1)

zildgulf (1116981) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186441)

Then ask India if they need more customer service employees at Dell's help desk!

Re:Right. (0, Troll)

GameMaster (148118) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186541)

Honestly, they should be released here in the US. We're the reason they, unjustly, spent the last half a decade in a hellish prison we should, at the least, man-up and take responsibility for our actions rather than try to pawn them off on someone else. I think the bigger disgrace is that they have spent even a day in that place past the point where we, publicly, admitted they aren't terrorists.

Re:Right. (2, Insightful)

hansraj (458504) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185845)

Despite the judgment of your own court to release them...hmmm

What exactly makes them terrorists - being in Gitmo?

Do yourself a favor and never do anything - anything at all - that might make anybody suspicious, because you know just the suspicion is enough to make you actually guilty.

Re:Right. (4, Informative)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186039)

Give a terrorist the tools and knowledge to conspire against us with people around the globe, instantly. What could possibly go wrong?

And herein lies the problem with my dumbass countrymen. So obnoxiously opinionated with an inversely proportional knowledge of the subject at hand. Guess you hadn't heard that we've already released hundreds of innocent "terrorists" from Gitmo?

Not funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185663)

This ain't f*ckin funny. These poor souls are being held in Qitmo for absolutely no reason other than the USA Bank (aka China) wants them there.

Re:Not funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186033)

So, lets move them into your neighborhood or, better yet, next door to you.

Re:Not funny (3, Interesting)

Yert (25874) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186255)

I welcome them to my neighborhood - there's 4 houses on my block that are empty now. Even if they only fill one, that's one less house being used for covert teenage sex and drug use or being decorated with spray paint as "turf". It puts a few people willing to work in my neighborhood, which is lacking a few, and could possibly even raise the value of my property in the long term as having an occupied house next door looks much better than having a burned out husk, because someone started a fire with a pipe or a cookstove. There's a few places nearby hiring ($8/hr, but it's a job), and in a few years, they could be chasing the American Dream at full speed. So again, yes, move them into my neighborhood. The house payment + utilities is almost certainly less than what debt we're racking up on them in GITMO.

Their lives are already ruined (0)

Akido37 (1473009) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185665)

While this is a nice gesture, their lives are ruined, and there's nothing we can do to make up for it.

At the very least, we need to either charge them with a crime, or let them go.

Re:Their lives are already ruined (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185739)

or let them go.

And in what country do you propose to deposit them?

Re:Their lives are already ruined (2, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186455)

or let them go.

And in what country do you propose to deposit them?

The United States of America, of course.

Re:Their lives are already ruined (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185767)

Yeah, I guess we could send them back via Air France.

Re:Their lives are already ruined (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185829)

At the very least, we need to either charge them with a crime, or let them go.

Quite right - We'll just open the door and let them walk out... Oh, wait - Castro doesn't want them. OK, we'll just send them home... Oh wait - China doesn't want them and they're terrified to return. OK, we'll bring them to the US... Oh wait - The US doesn't want them and they're angry as hell at us for detaining them.

You didn't really think that through, did you? Arm-chair legislation is easy, but a complete failure.

Re:Their lives are already ruined (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186169)

So now we've got people who are angry at us. Boo-fucking-hoo. Someone's going to have to man up and take responsibility for the problem. Or you can continue to be a pansy-ass and keep innocent people in prison because you're a fucking coward.

Maybe they could work in IT (4, Funny)

Atrox666 (957601) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185667)

If they don't mind being treated a little worse than a terror suspect they could get corporate IT jobs.

Gold Farmers? (2, Funny)

daveywest (937112) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185725)

Or it could be a plot by the US government to create an army of disgruntled, economy destabilizing gold farmers in WoW.

article calls it a "virtual" computer lab (1)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185773)

and how is the lab different from a non-virtual computer lab? do they login with their laptops and run a program that simulates a computer lab?

Re:article calls it a "virtual" computer lab (1)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186145)

Same question here. I imagine a Beowulf cluster of virtual machines running in BSD jails.

Good Start (1)

gubers33 (1302099) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185851)

The treatment of these prisoner is a good start in the right direction. The poor treatment of prisoners is a contributor to the world's poor view of the United States. The next step is going to be releasing all those prisoners which the United States is holding who aren't even charged with anything.

Computers?...put them to work! (3, Insightful)

DomNF15 (1529309) | more than 4 years ago | (#28185861)

Let's see - shelter, fast food, phone access, and now computers. Yep, I'd say that makes their living conditions better than just about every homeless person in America. This must make the millions of recently unemployed Americans feel ever so special. Sorry to be cynical, and I have virtually no idea if these guys actually pose a real threat or not, but am I the only one that thinks prisoners should be put to work to offset some of that tax money being wasted on keeping them alive?

Doesn't seem right (1)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186049)

How many of them have actually have trials to determine guilt or innocence? Have they even had a chance for a trial? I'm really hazy about where they are in that step but we still need to respect the rule of law. If some of them are innocent, are you suggesting that they work off their incarceration because we jailed them? (Not trying to be a pain here, honest question).

Re:Doesn't seem right (1, Troll)

Bobb Sledd (307434) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186353)

Please define rule of law.

Military? Or do you mean the Constitution, for which does not apply to them?

Re:Doesn't seem right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186721)

International law, as well as the universal principles of human rights we've agreed to. The GP is correct, it doesn't seem right to treat innocent people this way.

Re:Doesn't seem right (1)

holmstar (1388267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186927)

The US was founded on the principle that all men (humans in general) have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Given that these folks are human, (i know some wackos would probably argue otherwise) and that we have not charged them with any crime, then we are certainly infringing on their inalienable rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We need to release them because it is the right thing to do. Because it is what we stand for and because we would hope that the same would be done for us if we were unfortunate enough to be in a similar situation.

Re:Doesn't seem right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28187027)

Why wouldn't the Constitution apply? The Consitution sets down rules on how the US Government operates. It's not about describing exclusive rights of American residents. The US government is the one holding them prisoner, so the US government must follow the Constitution when doing so.

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186065)

If you don't want to pay to keep them alive you could always just let them go.

/ Never understood how people can get from "the state requires you to stay in this building and consume our food" to "prisoners should pay for their upkeep"

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (1)

SirGarlon (845873) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186139)

am I the only one that thinks prisoners should be put to work to offset some of that tax money being wasted on keeping them alive?

Well you're probably not the *only* one, but consider a couple of things: 1) International law takes a dim view of putting war prisoners into forced labor. It's not something you just go and do without expecting some major outcry from the international "community" 2) I wonder about the cost of guarding prisoners while they work, as opposed to the cost of guarding them in 23-hour lockdown, and whether putting them to work would really save any money.

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (2, Insightful)

pjabardo (977600) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186337)

Let me get this straight. You pick up a random guy and send him off for a few years to a prison on the other side of the world and you don't even know if the guy is guilty. Since he costs money, you think he should be put to work? This sounds like slavery to me - slave traders would probably use some sort of argument like that: let's go to Africa and pick up some people. They are probably guilty of something and certainly guilty of hating us. It is not fair to feed these people therefore we should make them work!!!

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (-1, Flamebait)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186357)

Yeah, I'd love to be locked-up and tortured if that would mean I would recieve food of shitty quality, a computer(which I have) and phone access(which I have).

These people have been kidnapped and now you want to see work from them? The fact that your post is modded insightful is one of the reasons why the rest of the world hates the US.

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (3, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186427)

Making prisoners work provides a strong economic incentive for the state to create more prisoners. This rarely ends well.

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186717)

Interesting enough, thats one driver behind the expanding American prison population. Another one: remember the slashdot story from a while ago about a judge sentencing everyone into a private prison and pocketing money for each one? Another driver. Little has it to do with justice.

Meanwhile in The Netherlands, the state is importing prisoners from Belgium at a steep fee because our prisons are getting too empty... strange world, isnt it.

Edit: amazing captcha - "convicts". I wonder if the captcha system is fed by a live editor checking submissions :)

Re:Computers?...put them to work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28186527)

but am I the only one that thinks prisoners should be put to work to offset some of that tax money being wasted on keeping them alive?

Sadly no, but human dignity and the right to exist aside, these people are not prisoners nor terrorists!!

This would be like if YOU were just over there, and couldn't get back into the USA.
Wouldn't you want *someone* to "waste" money to keep you alive?

I know it's stylish to not read articles, nor have the slightest idea what the article is about before posting, but still...
You almost sound like you WANT these non-guilty non-terrorist non-prisoners to be killed or something.

OLPT (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185869)

One laptop per terrorist!

Mod me down you wonderful bastards, it's called comedy!

MOD DOWN OMG (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28185905)

If, after being released in a politically convenient US city, one of these atavists carries out his holy duty and slices up some infidel white girl it will straight up end Obama's political career.

Something to think about while your working on getting to sleep.

Getting ready for a job in the IT world.... (1)

fubar1971 (641721) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186149)

I think the government is on to something here. Nothing keeps a man pacified like an occasional phone call, a cheeseburger, and surfing for a little porn.

Sounds like a typical day of work.

We Apologize for the Inconvenience (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186371)

Sorry guys, our bad. Here! Have a laptop! I'm sure those guys will just LOVE America after that. Since they're getting web training, I can't wait to see their facebook pages...

Cool! (1)

dword (735428) | more than 4 years ago | (#28186439)

What do I have to do to get in there?

Re:Cool! (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#28187073)

Actually, you might not have to do anything to go there. It's more of a right-place, right-time kind of thing. Other than that, try to grow a beard and a dark skin tone, and brush up on your Arabic and/or Farsi. Becoming enemies with an Afghan warlord is a helpful plus.
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