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Last.fm Strongly Denies Sharing Data With RIAA

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the he-said-she-said dept.

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bonch writes "Last.fm and CBS vehemently deny sharing any user data with the RIAA, contrary to previous reports. One anonymous party calls it 'irresponsible journalism,' and Last.fm goes so far as to suggest it is a target of slander. Carla Duckworth of the RIAA confirmed, 'We've made no such request for this information.'"

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RIAA also says (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185187)

"Thanks for the good idea!"

Re:RIAA also says (5, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186081)

I'm actually siding with Last.FM here, just for the reason that TechCrunch deleted mine and many others comments if it was about *anything* against their view or if you defended last.fm. The most recent article about last.fm downtime [techcrunch.com] was also hilarious try to make bad comments about them (and see the writers comments in that article :). Now, I do not know anything about which side is valid. But by far last.fm has answered questions and what they have been accused of, while TechCrunch keeps removing comments that dont side with them. For me that says something.

Re:RIAA also says (3, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186123)

Just to note, his comments are with green background and by Michael Arrington (@arrington)

Here's some of them:
- Any idea who is hosting their servers ?
Michael Arrington: the RIAA?

Michael Arrington: Iâ(TM)ve found itâ(TM)s best to be careful when it comes to last.fm and the truthfulness of their public statements.

Michael Arrington: iâ(TM)m not even sure where central time is.
in reply James Wheare: Are you drunk Mike?

Michael Arrington: i have a special place in my heart for last.fm

Well, for me these comments sound really unprofessional.

From the Article: (3, Insightful)

InMSWeAntitrust (994158) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185205)

This all leaves us in the same place we were in Februaryâ"with a slew of accusations, a handful of denials, and zero evidence.

That's what happens when you believe rumors.

Re:From the Article: (3, Funny)

SomeJoel (1061138) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185243)

Rumors are almost always more entertaining than the truth. And that's why we read slashdot, right?

Re:From the Article: (5, Funny)

InMSWeAntitrust (994158) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185501)

I read slashdot to stay informed of current events in the tech world, and I want the articles to which it links to have factual accuracy and to be researched. This accusation sounds a lot like the wrong person twittered the right thing and now the people involved are knocking some sense into us.

Re:From the Article: (2, Interesting)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186083)

Not to mention that the RIAA's wording "We've made no such request for this information." means precisely squat as to whether they have that information.

Sure....they didn't ask for it. But that doesn't mean they didn't receive it.

Don't think about what PR departments say; think about what they _don't_ say. Why exactly did the RIAA word it that way? If they didn't have that information, they would say: "We don't have that information, and never did."

Yes, I'm cynical. But with an organization like the RIAA, what reason do I have to be otherwise?

As to Last.fm's statements that they've given that information to noone? Well...noone that the president knows of. Maybe one of the few people that have access to that "tightly controlled" information is a malicious insider. Wouldn't be the first time it happened....

Re:From the Article: (1)

davidphogan74 (623610) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186347)

The original story was that they had requested the info, so them saying they have not actually has significance in this case.

Re:From the Article: (3, Insightful)

afallowhorizon (1179233) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186473)

Don't think about what PR departments say; think about what they _don't_ say. Why exactly did the RIAA word it that way?

-Exactly-! Why would the RIAA say "We've made no such request for this information." when they could have said "We've made no such request for this information, and neither has the Unified Reptoid Conspiracy which controls us." As it stands now, they've pretty clearly used their carefully crafted lawyer speak to completely leave out any mention of the vast network of cold-blooded alien masters lurking in the shadows. Frankly, that makes me a little suspicious.

Re:From the Article: (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186687)

Ok, I may be cynical, but you're just downright paranoid....

Re:From the Article: (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187383)

They also didn't say they didn't ask for any information. What if they asked for less, last.fm gave them more, and they proceeded to do evil with the information? The statement would still be factual, yet they would have every bit of data.

Re:From the Article: (4, Interesting)

Allicorn (175921) | more than 5 years ago | (#28190547)

Whilst I must salute some quality semantic pedantry there - hats off! - if you read the extensive statements, blog posts and forum messages of the Last.fm team in response to this issue you'll see that there is no "wiggle room" in their wording. They have emphatically denied this in absolutely every sense that some data might have gone somewhere.

So, Last.fm have denied it. CBS have denied it. The RIAA have denied it.

TechCrunch have provided no evidence of any kind. What they have come out with is a long-running stream of unsupported, often transparently vitriolic whinges, whines and allegations about Last.fm with never a scrap of evidence or a hint at how they'd have access to it if there ever were any.

Add to that the fact that the original allegation makes no sense anyway since scrobbler data (containing a list of the track- & artist-name ID3 tags of the media files you've played... tags which are freely editable) would seem to be of no value as either evidence of "theft" or probable cause for further discovery of evidence. This data doesn't say where the track name came from - only that you played a media file with that label. Bought/resold/leant/borrowed/mislabelled... the genuine explanations are endless and nothing in the data should be grounds for any suspicion of "piracy".

What you end up with is a picture that seems to suggest there's whilst there's definitely a lying douchebag of RIAA-standard involved in this story... it's probably not the RIAA for once.

Re:From the Article: (2, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188071)

As to Last.fm's statements that they've given that information to noone?

Today the RIAA announced that Richard Noone Esq. has been promoted to head of the copyright enforcement division.

Re:From the Article: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185375)

Yeah, who would have thought that Michael Arrington who talks out of his ass 99% of the time was making shit up just to increase traffic to his worthless blog? He's the Perez Hilton of the tech world.

Re:From the Article: (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186221)

I agree with you here. I stopped following his worthless site because of this. Didn't have problems with it before, but oh well.

Its also funny he kept deleting every comment that he didnt agree with.

Re:From the Article: (1)

pbhj (607776) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187923)

I agree with you here. I stopped following his worthless site because of this. Didn't have problems with it before, but oh well.

Its also funny he kept deleting every comment that he didnt agree with.

Along with your other comments here this makes you appear to be astroturfing for Last.fm.

You say his site had worth previously but due to this one story now does not. How has the information presented on unrelated issues been altered by your opinion WRT this story. What I think you meant to say is that you disprove of the actions of the lead on TechCrunch and so won't visit it anymore - quite different.

Personally the statement by CBS where they said "we've not sent anything to the RIAA" and then called back and said "when we [CBS] said 'we' we meant of course 'last.fm'" means any chances of me returning to Last.fm have diminished greatly. My personal view following this is that either TC were professionally done over or CBS did the dirty with the RIAA (behind Last.fm's back) - I'm tending towards the later position.

Re:From the Article: (3, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185389)

This all leaves us in the same place we were in February—"with a slew of accusations, a handful of denials, and zero evidence.

Wait a second. Are we talking about the TechCrunch accusations or the RIAA's lawsuits here?

Smells fishy (5, Funny)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185239)

I wasn't so sure before, but when the RIAA denies even making the request, well, now I'm paranoid. Methinks [they] doth protest too much.

Re:Smells fishy (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185333)

Oh, come on. Why would they go through the trouble and risk causing a public stir while they can just continue to sit on P2P networks and go fishin'? And before anybody cries "MediaSentry", remember that one need not hack your box to get your i.p. address.

Re:Smells fishy (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185591)

Oh, come on. Why would they go through the trouble and risk causing a public stir while they can just continue to sit on P2P networks and go fishin'? And before anybody cries "MediaSentry", remember that one need not hack your box to get your i.p. address.

1) They want a public stir. That's the point of their anti-piracy campaign. Scaring 10000 file sharers doesn't do much when there are a fifty million other sharers in the same country who don't notice the stir.

2) The lawsuits haven't slowed piracy.

3) Even if they had slowed piracy, the only metric by which the recording industry measures anti-piracy success is through their sales. Yes, they've been ridiculously high during the recession, but that doesn't mean they think they're high enough.

Re:Smells fishy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185533)

Methinks [they] doth protest too much.

The RIAA never requested the information. CBS volunteered it willingly.

Sure! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185257)

Like the company is going to come right out and tell people.... "we fuckin sold you out to make a quick buck! hahahahaha!"

Is it logical that the RIAA would want that data? Yup. Would CBS really cooperate with them? Yup.

I have no problem believing they really did it. And have no problem believing that they would LIE about it. Both are really in their best intrests.

Re:Sure! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186311)

What exactly do you want Last.fm to do? TechCrunch accused them of sharing data, they denied doing such a thing. It's up to TechCrunch to prove it (and no, anonymous emails are not proof) Until TC comes up with some real proof I'm siding with Last.fm on this one

Re:Sure! (4, Insightful)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186865)

Suddenly, everyone accused of rape fits the bill too!

Is it logical that Tom would rape the supermodel Tina? Yup. Would her friend Sheri cooperate with the police? Yup.

I have no problem believing Tom really did it. And have no problem believing he would LIE about it. It's really in his best interest.

With your logic there's no way for Last.fm to win. Simply because they were accused of it, and because the accusation was plausible, they are guilty. I know these are liberal times and all, but let's not jump the gun.

"Confirmed" or "claimed?" (1)

serutan (259622) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186959)

Can the RIAA ever be said to have "confirmed" anything when we pretty much assume that everything they say is a lie?

Irresponsible Journalism?? (4, Funny)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185259)

From TechCrunch? I refuse to believe that.

Uhm... (4, Funny)

agnosticanarch (105861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185283)

What's a Duckworth?

Re:Uhm... (4, Funny)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185405)

I dunno, but when I find out I'll send you the bill.

Re:Uhm... (3, Funny)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185469)

Just make sure you don't get the estimate from some quack.

Re:Uhm... (5, Funny)

machine321 (458769) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185615)

*ducks*

Re:Uhm... (1)

agnosticanarch (105861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186683)

I set up the joke, but I get no points... Ah, well.

Re:Uhm... (1)

The Redster! (874352) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188283)

Must be some fowl moderating.

Re:Uhm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185407)

Just one bill.

Re:Uhm... (2, Funny)

MaerD (954222) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185447)

Somewhere around $4.35 for a mallard, unless you buy in bulk. [metzerfarms.com]
Google, helping me be a smart ass since 1998.

Re:Uhm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185567)

Why a duck?

Re:Uhm... (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186135)

Because a vest has no sleeves.

Don't know about the duck.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186329)

The windshield he tried to fly through cost me $300 to replace, though......

Yeah and... (-1, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185291)

Most of the Guards at Auschwitz said they treated prisoners with respect and care...

Re:Yeah and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185353)

Most of the Guards at Auschwitz said they treated prisoners with respect and care...

Godwin called, something about a "rule"...

Re:Yeah and... (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185387)

What about the rule? He's in perfect accordance with it.

Re:Yeah and... (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187403)

GGP is actually commenting on a different story on the front page, yet his comment made this thread. Seems to be happening often, lately. His post would be on-topic in here [slashdot.org]

Re:Yeah and... (0, Troll)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185403)

Techcrunch is run by gutter-scraping jews anyway, so it's an appropriate metaphor.

What would be more believable? A company pissing away their only source of revenue, or jews spreading lies to drive traffic to their filthy blog?

Re:Yeah and... (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187159)

What would be more believable? A company pissing away their only source of revenue, or jews spreading lies to drive traffic to their filthy blog?

Not sure. But you know what would be unbelievable? Any Slashdot article that wasn't filled with pitifully ignorant bigotry.

Re:Yeah and... (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185459)

What rules? Geez, you slashdot Nazis are ruining everything.

Re:Yeah and... (1)

lavacano201014 (999580) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185875)

Whether you know it or not, you have just invoked Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law). Showing you this rule is the only reason I'm posting: Read and figure out why,

Re:Yeah and... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186119)

Godwin's law doesn't apply to me, because I'm not a fat basement virgin. Please stop acting like a petty concentration-camp guard.

Re:Yeah and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28188639)

Skinny basement virgins and retarded inbred morons count too so you are covered either way feces for brains.

whoosh (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187367)

You failed your Perception check for humor. May have been a critical miss, in fact.

Re:Yeah and... (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186031)

But at least the trolls are running on time.

Re:Yeah and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186273)

You know who else liked making rules....Hitler!!

Why would last.fm, a UK based site (1, Offtopic)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185339)

Even consider "sharing" info with the Recording Arse of America?

Stuff the RIArseA & others, I don't buy retail music anymore, haven't for about 6 years. I have an extensive vinyl, tape & CD library - some in triplicate, i.e. the same album on tape, vinyl & CD (yep, I'm an idiot) but I stopped buying new when the labels started taking legal action against their own customers.

I do still buy 2nd hand at flea markets & boot sales, but that's by the by.

Stuff 'em I say, tossers they are, to a man.

Re:Why would last.fm, a UK based site (1)

harryandthehenderson (1559721) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185559)

Why would last.fm, a UK based site

Which was bought by CBS, an American company, 2 years ago.

Re:Why would last.fm, a UK based site (1)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186093)

Oops, sorry, should have checked first. Foot meet mouth.

Still, my second point is still valid (until someone else points out more of my failings) :^)

Re:Why would last.fm, a UK based site (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 5 years ago | (#28189705)

It's the "Recording Industry Ass. of America". Learn your abbreviations, you M$ shill.

Perhaps a form of... (2, Interesting)

Aristophrenia (917761) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185345)

...Industrial Espionage?

Many users may not trust Last.fm after this, regardless of its validity. And we know that many more people have no trust for the RIAA. All things considered, this may have driven much traffic to other similar sites (even with the Streisand Effect) thus providing other sites a chance to increase revenue.

While this may not be the most likely cause, it is something to consider and contemplate, while making sure one doesn't go too far down the tinfoil hat road.

For further reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Perhaps a form of... (1)

SchizoStatic (1413201) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185419)

I think the general masses won't really care. They will see this and wonder what if any damage would be done if they did share the info. They will continue to use last.fm because they know it and it is familiar.

Re:Perhaps a form of... (0)

DieNadel (550271) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185709)

Screw Last.fm. Grooveshark [grooveshark.com] has a much better offer, is less anal-retentive and is much more accessible than Last.fm. If only they would provide a plugin for Songbird [getsongbird.com] (or a decent API so someone could make it), they would have a killer internet radio.

Re:Perhaps a form of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186843)

Exactly. At least I can still access Grroveshark for free where I live.

Re:Perhaps a form of... (1)

Dorkmunder (950796) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186861)

weird, I entered 10 artists I listen to regularly and none of them showed up on GrooveShark, none. So much for "... any song in the world. For free". I'll take last.fm with access to all ten of those artists, thanks

So, did they get the data? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185391)

The RIAA says that they didn't request the data, but note that there is no denial that they received it.

Re:So, did they get the data? (5, Insightful)

putch (469506) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185965)

yeah also note that cbs/last.fm only deny handing over "user info" which is seems like a carefully constructed statement. how exactly do they define "user info?" it implies that they have handed over some info.

Re:So, did they get the data? (1)

spyka (1127127) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186375)

Well TechCrunch said they handed over IPs, so that would be classed as user info would it not? Hence, if they are denying sending user info they are denying the allegations made against them Last.fm DO, and OPENLY admit to sharing some data with record companies - just read their blog posts - nothing personal of course, just statistical information

Re:So, did they get the data? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186803)

TechCrunch said they handed over IPs, so that would be classed as user info would it not?

"User info" is defined as "personally identifiable information"

An IP address does not identify a person, as a single person can use more than one IP address, and more than one person can use a single IP address.

Therefore, an IP address is not "user info". Q.E.D.

(Of course, when the RIAA gets a hold of them, they'll argue the exact opposite in court, but that's not last.fm's problem ...)

Re:So, did they get the data? (2, Interesting)

Nova77 (613150) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186459)

http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/535934/8#f9525592 [www.last.fm]

* We've been in communication with CBS and they deny that they gave any third party any of our user data.

Also note that a lot of "user info" has always been available through feeds.

Re:So, did they get the data? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186937)

Spokespeople talk at carefully constructed cross purposes.

Re:So, did they get the data? (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187567)

They actually did say more that wasn't quoted in the blurb. See here [arstechnica.com]

"[We're] not sure where that rumor came from," RIAA spokesperson Cara Duckworth told Ars on Saturday. "It's not true."

Re:So, did they get the data? (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 5 years ago | (#28190187)

Nor did RIAA receive the data from Last.fm. They received it from the intermediary that received it from Last.fm.

Slashdot hands over information to Microsoft (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185541)

I'm an ex-Slashdot employee, ex-astronaut, and ex-president of the Hair Club for Men, and two weeks ago CmdrTaco gave Microsoft the posting history along with IPs, email addresses, favorite colors, your FICO score, and if you like pouring hot grits down your pants for the Bing search engine.

I'm anonymous, on the Internet, and have no actually proof, so it has to be 100% true! Now is the time to over-react and proclaim you are quitting Slashdot.

Re:Slashdot hands over information to Microsoft (2, Funny)

machine321 (458769) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185641)

I'm quitting Slashdot.

Re:Slashdot hands over information to Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186811)

The 8 and the 6 in your uid are reversed, you should fix that.
-Monk

Re:Slashdot hands over information to Microsoft (0, Flamebait)

geekboy642 (799087) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185707)

Not only am I quitting Slashdot, I'm forming a massive and poorly-written network of interlinking blogs all supporting this exact story!

Re:Slashdot hands over information to Microsoft (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187465)

And I edited the Wiki entry now that I've got several corroborating sources.

Re:Slashdot hands over information to Microsoft (1)

MikeURL (890801) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186801)

Before we get too worked up about "poor CBS" or "poor RIAA" we might want to remember why people are so willing to believe this anonymous Techcrunch story in the first place.

Who cares what they say? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185619)

The reason this story is so hurtful to them is because the ONLY thing keeping your privacy safe is them deciding whether or not to violate it.

They do not deny having all of this information, or being owned by someone you dont want to have this information. Whether or not they've yet to breach that tiny little divide is irrelevant as long as the potential is there.

f_irst (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28185661)

BackwArds. To the Baby take my

By their statements, there's nothing official but (1)

TheGreatOrangePeel (618581) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185771)

... I can't help but to wonder if the RIAA is scraping the data and Last.fm is letting it slide.

OK... Now i believe them (0)

Ezrymyrh (1554969) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185813)

With the RIAA backing them up? No way they would lie, I know because they promised me a pony.

How Dare You (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185821)

"Share"! As if Last.fm would give such valuable data away for free.

Hmmm, Credibility.... (5, Interesting)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 5 years ago | (#28185885)

So, who do I trust more:

1. The RIAA PR person, the CBS PR person, and the Last.fm PR person.
-- or --
2. A completely unverifiable source who may have an axe to grind or other nefarious motive for completely fabricating the story.

Frankly, it's a tough call.

Re:Hmmm, Credibility.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186903)

Uncle Arthur used to have a saying. "Shoot em' all and let God sort it out." Unfortunately, one day he put his theory into practice. It took 75 federal marshals to bring him down. Now, let's never speak of him again.

Hang on... (1)

godIsaDJ (644331) | more than 5 years ago | (#28186915)

... They claim that they can't distinguish between streamed music and music from your collection. That would make sense unless they planned to rat out users with illegal collections. It seems a lot of trouble to go through and makes little sense to me...

Re:Hmmm, Credibility.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186989)

Not at all. I am fully confident that Techcrunch are full of shit. [blog.last.fm]

Re:Hmmm, Credibility.... (1)

pbhj (607776) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188015)

So, who do I trust more:

1. The RIAA PR person, the CBS PR person, and the Last.fm PR person.
-- or --
2. A completely unverifiable source who may have an axe to grind or other nefarious motive for completely fabricating the story.

Frankly, it's a tough call.

Well at least now CBS have started libel proceedings against TC the truth will come out in court. Oh wait.

Now what possible reason might the CBS have for believing they could fail in court, after all TC is all just scurrilous lies ....

Re:Hmmm, Credibility.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28188419)

There is no Last.fm PR person.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28186157)

What type of user data were they supposedly passing onto the RIAA?

TechCrunch and Pandora (5, Interesting)

meehawl (73285) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187445)

Pandora's main competition for mindshare is Last.FM. There's also a bit of a US/EU rivalry, with Pandora so strongly identified with the US and, with the Valley in particular, while Last.FM came out of a Euro milieu. I think I've noticed a very pro-Pandora coverage pattern at TechCrunch. Lots of the "Web 2 - Me Too" AdSense spam sites, sorry, gadget/tech blogs, take cues from TechCrunch, and among the iPhone-toting, US-centric crowd, Pandora is a darling.

Before I'd believe anything TechCrunch said about Last.FM, I'd want to know more about the personal and financial connections between the people running TechCrunch and the people running Pandora.

Personally, I've tried Pandora every years and it fails, epically, to even know about many of the artists I am interested in hearing [www.last.fm] . Plus, Pandora's Flash interface is just aggravating, user-hostile, and screams hipster-designer-marketroid-douchbags-in-control.

Re:TechCrunch and Pandora (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188475)

I'll admit, I don't follow this sort of crap any more, Last.FM seems really silly to me, but to each his own, it makes FAR more sense than twitter.

But ... WTF is Pandora? I'm an American and I know what last.fm is, I have no clue what Pandora is off the top of my head. I do now of course because of what I can infer from your comment and the quick google I did, but my point to all this rambling is that I don't think Pandora is more well known in the US than last.fm. Of course, I am but one man and hardly a valid statistical sample.

Re:TechCrunch and Pandora (3, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188707)

FWIW, the Valley is a small place. One of Arrington's first interviews was Tim Westergren, founder of Pandora.

There doesn't need to be any fiduciary interest on Arrington's part, familiarity with Pandora might be all it takes to make him favor Pandora.

And also, not sure where you're getting the concept of a big rivalry between Pandora and Last.fm. I've observed no such thing... just that people use what they are comfortable with. Maybe there're fanboys sprouting up, but I think you're overanalyzing.

IMO, Arrington's just a twit. Twits exist independently of financial arrangements.

Overanalysed (1)

meehawl (73285) | more than 5 years ago | (#28189779)

Maybe incipient twittery could enable a person to be easily swayed by a "source" that has twice failed to produce anything beyond stern denials. I'd love to see this story go somewhere else because, if true, it would be juicy. But so far *nobody* else has managed to verify anything of what TechCrunch has claimed. Given the leakage quotient in SV, the lack of confirmation weighs heavily against the veracity of the story. It's making me file this TechCrunch "exclusive" in the same slushpile that I use for anything Apple-related from Jim Goldman [google.com] and reflects poorly on their other "exclusives".

I'm doubt last.fm would knowingly break the law... (1)

ChowRiit (939581) | more than 5 years ago | (#28187475)

last.fm is an English company, with its servers located in London. Complying to such a request for user data would be illegal under UK data protection laws, as best as I can tell.

Not saying that proves much either way, but for what it's worth I've always found last.fm fairly open and engaged with its users. I rather doubt they would knowingly give away user's data, especially given its illegality.

Re:I'm doubt last.fm would knowingly break the law (1)

pbhj (607776) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188031)

Which is why the RIAA would ask the CBS for the info. If such a situation were true.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28187997)

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Re:You& Fai7 It (1)

sdBlue (844590) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188399)

Um, WHAT? Even for an AC, this has to be the most bizarre post I've seen. (I'm sure others have seen worse :)

Re:You& Fai7 It (2, Interesting)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188587)

I guess you haven't noticed the influx of spam? That message isn't a real message, is some computer generated spam, probably some sort of megahal like bot that combs slashdot and tries to post comments to see what kind of score it can get. Having played with megahal quite a bit, I'd say that it actually probably isn't megahal itself as megahal would have done a better job of forming sentences, but someone elses attempt to do the same thing. Probably some PhD student or something using other peoples resources to do his research, lazy bastage. He'll make a perfect professor though, since about the only reason they are 'professors' is so they can get paid to do research they want rather than thier jobs, and get cheap ass labor from the students, which you and I pay for in taxes.

Every story posted will have multiple messages like this if you notice them before they drop below your viewing threshold.

Frankly I'm surprised you are the first person I've seen mention it.

Re:You& Fai7 It (1)

sdBlue (844590) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188755)

Thanks for pointing that out; this is the first time I've personally noticed it, but I guess that's because I tend to keep my threshold pretty high as you mentioned.... And I'm usually late to start reading stories (using google reader now).. I do share your surprise that none of the slashdotters who are more active than myself haven't mentioned it before though!

Even if it's not true (1)

scarboni888 (1122993) | more than 5 years ago | (#28188341)

I have a bad taste in my mouth after finding out that lastfm (corporate whore) was owned or someways affiliated with cbs. I'll stick with soma.fm spank you very much.

As Johnny Rotten has said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28189503)

Fuck EMI!

Fuck CBS

Fuck Last.fm

... and (quoting Frank Zappa): FUCK WARNER BROS!

I did not have sexual relations... (1)

d0n0vAn (1382471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28190707)

'I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinski.' You can say you didn't until you're blue in the face but if we believe you did it.... Look at it this way, remember when you said we were guilty of illegal file sharing and we said we didn't do it? Maybe you see my point, now?
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