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Nintendo Announces New Mario Bros, Mario Galaxy, Metroid

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the new-ip-is-for-sissies dept.

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Nintendo's E3 press conference was an eventful one, with announcements for a new Super Mario Bros. Wii, a sequel to Super Mario Galaxy, and a new entry into the Metroid franchise by Team Ninja. The new Mario Bros. game will be available for the holiday season, and the other two are scheduled for 2010. Nintendo also confirmed an updated version of the Wii Fit, called the Wii Fit Plus (trailer), due out this fall. A full list of Nintendo's announcements is available, which includes more games and new features. Live blogs of the press conference, with commentary and pictures, are up at Engadget and 1Up.

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Also Golden Sun DS (5, Informative)

Archaemic (1546639) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191575)

Golden Sun DS (not mentioned in TFS) is really what I'm most excited about. Golden Sun and its sequel for GBA were possibly my favorite RPG series for a long time. What a brilliant mixture of RPG gameplay with puzzle solving it was, with great graphics (for GBA) to boot! I've been waiting for a third for ages, as the second had a somewhat open ending.

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28191857)

They didn't mention Heart Gold and Soul Silver either.

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28191861)

italics begone?

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (1)

joemck (809949) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192025)

Hmm, they fixed it now... Anyway, the problem seems to be Slashdot 2.0's too-long-title-chopper. The original title:

Nintendo Announces New <em>Mario Bros</em>, <em>Mario Galaxy</em>, <em>Metroid</</a>

It chopped off PART OF an </em> tag!
(just seeing what happens of I put an unterminated <em>...) -->

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192123)

Will you look at that, nintendo finally starts making video games again!

Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Maybe you have to use the wii fit board to move mario...

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (3, Funny)

Lendrick (314723) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192139)

Nintendo...

Just when I think you couldn't be any dumber, you go and do something like this...

AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!

Wow, and to think I'd pretty much given up on anything good ever coming out for the Wii. Glad to see I was wrong. :)

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (1)

Overfiend1976 (979710) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192195)

Wait...if that's the case, will we get to watch Mario progressively get less fat as you beat the game?? What's next? Yoshi's Diet, Low-Fat, Trans-Fat Free, Unsalted Rice Cakes?

Re:Also Golden Sun DS (1)

bunkymag (1567407) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193089)

I enjoyed the first one too - and then it ended. Suddenly. With little warning. And an implicit instruction to go buy #2. I was under the impression I had bought a game - a full game - for my A$60. I sold it on as soon as it became apparent I may have to end up paying several hundred for an RPG on a handheld - good though it was.

Broken... (0, Offtopic)

jack2000 (1178961) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191585)

WTF? Why can't add tags?

Re:Broken... (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191615)

Also, why did the addition of this story put the entire front page into italics?

Re:Broken... (1)

erpbridge (64037) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191837)

It's a simple that was borked, if you look at the source it shows as instead of

They'll fix it soon enough... mods, feel free to mark this down as overrated or offtopic.

Re:Broken... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28191689)

I tried to tag it ifuckedyourdeadgreatgrandmother to no avail.

Nintendo.... (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191679)

Its nice to see Nintendo actually making an effort to appeal to gamers who want a game more involved than a tech demo, but can we please have something... fresh? Sure, Mario, Metroid, and Golden Sun are good, but it seems like Nintendo has really stagnated in good games that aren't gimmicks. Plus theres a bunch of old IP that isn't being capitalized on such as the old Japanese Fire Emblem games, Earthbound hasn't even seen a US release on the Virtual Console and Kid Icarus hasn't seen a new game in ages.

Nintendo needs to make more "hardcore" games so whenever they aren't in first place anymore they won't go belly up.

Re:Nintendo.... (5, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191753)

That's kind of my feeling. I thought Nintendo did better this year (and Cammie dropped the creepy smile, so that's a win), but I still came away feeling like there was nothing new. It was the same thing we've already tread on the Wii. Where was the Starfox or FZero or Kid Icarus or SOMETHING new and exciting? Even the New Super Mario Bros. Wii reminded me of the multiplayer Mario flash game where players stomp on each other's heads.

Even the DSi announcements fell flat. Mario and Luigi 3 looked kind of fun, as did the Mario vs. Donkey Kong for DSiWare. Of course, the latter is just the continuing strategy of ripping pieces of old DS games out and putting them up as DSiWare. (At least we got Mighty Flip Champs on Monday.)

When Nintendo showed the interviews with the kids on the street, I got a kick out of the girl saying she was excited for the new internet features of the DSi. As I expected, Nintendo did nothing with that. I joked with the guys over on DSiCade [dsicade.com] * that Nintendo should really cut to DSiCade and show our conversation as it was happening. Alas, the poor DSi still got so little love.

* Disclaimer: I wrote DSiCade.

Re:Nintendo.... (4, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191799)

I think this upcoming year is a good one, with some serious games. Conduit, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, a new Resident Evil, a new 'mature' action Metroid...

And Red Steel 2, which I'm anxiously awaiting. Overall, I think all three developers had a good showing this year, but I think Nintendo's was strongest. Not just because of their conference, but because the entire subtext of Sony and Microsoft's presentations was about them trying to copy the Wii's success.

Re:Nintendo.... (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191881)

Conduit and Resident Evil should be good and Metroid should be as good as the previous ones but Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles is exactly the game that is the plague of the Wii. Sure, its a fun game but its not as "solid" as say, Final Fantasy XII which will be released for the 360 and PS3. Theres a lot of games by Square Enix for the Wii, they are good games but they aren't the games Square Enix is known for, they aren't epic RPGs spanning many hours of gameplay but tiny, well crafted games that have addicting gameplay but hampered by short playtime. On Wiiware there has been a lot of Square Enix material but no epic RPGs, you have ports of games made from phones which, I agree, are great games, but they aren't the epic RPG that the Wii desperately needs.

As for Red Steel, the first game had some serious usability issues do to motion control, aiming was kinda funky and no matter what I would always end up stabbing my knife when I wanted to reload and vice versa.

Re:Nintendo.... (1)

El Gigante de Justic (994299) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192683)

I think the assumption is that Red Steel 2 will use the new MotionPlus add on. I'm also hoping Ubisoft learned from all of the complaints about the first game - mine being that I should be able to shoot people with swords (and possibly lose honor) and use full sword controls whenever I want, as long as I'm more mobile.

I would like to see more original Square Enix material as well, but at least they just put out their sequel to FF4 this week. If they bring out any more VC stuff, I want to see a translation of Seiken Densetsu 3.

Re:Nintendo.... (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191949)

F-Zero GX was a badass game, but not a market buster like the original was. Even the N64 version wasn't a huge success (by Nintendo's gargantuan standards), so they farmed the gamecube version to Sega. The obvious downside to that farming out is that all those games are ridiculously hard. Metroid Prime, Starfox Assault, and F-Zero GX are all "Nintendo hard", long after Nintendo took the edge off their games.

Probably, the biggest reason Nintendo isn't trotting out F-zero anymore is because they're a franchise company, and F-Zero is forced into that mold, for better or worse. If you look at F-Zero GX, there was something like 40 characters needed to flesh out the 30 car race + bonus secret characters. That's 40 characters with in game model animations, vehicles, their own theme song, background, story and whatnot. I think Bleach is close to that number of characters, in a character driven episodic anime that's been running for years.

They need to drop the dramatic emphasis on characters and build on the game elements like the custom cars, track builders and online sharing, but nobody is going to get a company built on character design to change this. Look at what they did (and how successful it was) when they gave character designs to Advance Wars, Custom Robo, and hell, Super Mario 2.

Re:Nintendo.... (1, Troll)

aztektum (170569) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191957)

I'm no Nintendo fanboy or apologist, in fact I sold my Wii due in part to displeasure with the Wii Motion Plus/accessory factory they've let it become... I don't get this sentiment when it comes to Nintendo this E3.

MS and Sony did little more than show off sequels for established IP, a couple new brands (if that) and introduce their own motion controls. Yet everyone I've talked to makes it sound like Nintendo's event was a bust.

I think it's less that Nintendo announcements really ate shit, when the reality is it was simply on par w/ MS/Sony. Perhaps people's expectations are set too high thanks to the success of the Wii and DS/i.

Re:Nintendo.... (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192137)

Hehe, you want new and exciting and then you say you want Starfox and FZero. Ok, I seem to remember those titles from the SNES days, if not even before. ;) Announcing a new Super Mario is good though, but how many years will it be stuck in development before release? Hopefully, it will be better than Galaxy.

Re:Nintendo.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192299)

Hopefully, it will be better than Galaxy.

Hopefully, it will end world hunger, save the whales and bring me breakfast every morning, all of which are about as likely as it or any other game ever, ever being better than Galaxy, except maybe Galaxy 2.

Re:Nintendo.... (3, Insightful)

Errtu76 (776778) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192107)

Nintendo needs to make more "hardcore" games so whenever they aren't in first place anymore they won't go belly up.

They first need to release Wii 2 with better specs before 'hardcore' gamers are tempted to buy one. Don't get me wrong, Wii is a superb platform for really innovative games, but Mario Galaxy is already pushing its limits and that's not even _that_ special. The best thing they could do was improve on their succes and release newer versions of their best-selling games.

I don't know anything about DS so i won't comment on it.

Re:Nintendo.... (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192127)

But that's just graphics. I know that's really, really, important to some people, but I just don't get it. The console with the worst graphics won this gen, won last gen, and arguably won the gen before.

I do think we'll get a Wii2... in a couple years, and it probably will be no more powerful than a 360 is now... but it won't even be marketed as a new console. Just the logical upgrade for current Wii owners. Kind of like moving to a new model of iPod.

Re:Nintendo.... (0)

mog007 (677810) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192351)

I'd say that Sony won the last two generations, and the original PlayStation was the most powerful console of its generation. It had the best graphics, and it sold the best. The PS2 was either on par, or slightly inferior to the original Xbox, I don't know their stats offhand, but it was certainly superior to Sega's DC, and Nintendo's GC.

Re:Nintendo.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192475)

The original Playstation was the least powerful console of its generation. It had the worst graphics, and it sold the best. It's big technical advantage was the CD drive, which was pretty unnecessary at that point - hooray for pointless, ugly FMVs. Say what you will in regards to the games of that era, but anybody who argues that the Playstation had better graphics than the N64 is either blind or a liar.

Re:Nintendo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192497)

And the PS2 was also inferior to the Xbox and Gamecube hardware-wise, but not by the same margins the PS1 was inferior to the N64. Again, not to speak of the games, just the hardware. Compare any game that had a cross-platform release on all three consoles and you'll see. For the record, I think the PS2 easily had the best game lineup of last gen, but that's a matter of opinion, not written-in-stone fact.

Re:Nintendo.... (5, Informative)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193179)

the original PlayStation was the most powerful console of its generation

Nonsense.

  • The Sega Saturn was, in some respects, more powerful. It actually had a two-processor architecture, but that was hard to program for.
  • The Nintendo 64 was more powerful. No question about it. Of course, it was hampered by its storage medium.

PlayStation vs. Nintendo 64:

  • CPU: 33 Mhz vs. 94 Mhz
  • Memory: 2 MB main RAM and 1 MB video RAM vs. a unified memory system of 4 MB RAM

The PS2 was either on par, or slightly inferior to the original Xbox, I don't know their stats offhand, but it was certainly superior to Sega's DC, and Nintendo's GC.

What the hell? This is so wrong.

The Dreamcast had more video RAM than the PS2 and the GameCube, though its CPU wasn't as fast. That being said, never underestimate the effect of more video RAM on a game console.

The Xbox was much more powerful than the PS2, and the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, its better shading effects giving it an edge.

PlayStation 2 vs. GameCube vs. Xbox:

  • CPU: 295 Mhz vs. 485 Mhz vs. 733 Mhz
  • RAM: 32 MB main RAM and 4MB of video RAM vs. 24 MB main RAM and 3MB of video RAM vs. a unified memory system of 64(!) MB RAM

Were you brainwashed by Sony, or something?

Re:Nintendo.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192143)

Nintendo has a lot of "fresh" games which are discarded by the gaming populace because they happen to have Mario in them. Mario Galaxy, Mario & Luigi, Mario & Donkey Kong and Luigi's Mansion are some of the most inventive games I've played in a good long while. They'd earn a lot of respect if they'd just take these games and throw some original characters in them instead of chubby plumbers.

Re:Nintendo.... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192153)

can we please have something... fresh? Sure, Mario, Metroid, and Golden Sun are good, but it seems like Nintendo has really stagnated in good games that aren't gimmicks.

Gimmicks? New super mario bros and super mario galaxy were innovative twists on old franchises that worked. Really well. Those were great games. Galaxy remains the highest rated wii game [metacritic.com] and definitely my favorite wii game. Nothing gimmicky about it.

Re:Nintendo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192191)

I love Mario Galaxy, it's probably my favorite 3D game ever, but yeah, the controls seemed pretty tacked-on. I think it would have been just as good with a Wavebird, if not better due to manual camera override with the C-stick. You could call the game "gimmicky," though, in that as I understand it, "gimmick" is essentially a synonym for "selling point." It certainly does have those.

Re:Nintendo.... (3, Interesting)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192723)

Actually Nintendo still makes original games, but for some strange kind of reason they seem to drown it themselves.
Example, last year they released the excellent survival action game Disaster Day of Crisis, what happend.
Almost zero advertisement, and the release only happend in Japan and Europe.
Overall the game got very high ratings, it was full of fresh ideas, but it drowned! I guess we never will see a sequel, not because of the game quality but because it did not sell at all!
(Even the hardcore crowd did not know about it!)

It is easier to ride the Zelda/Mario train as long as it sells to keep the platform alive.

Its nice to see Nintendo actually making an effort to appeal to gamers who want a game more involved than a tech demo, but can we please have something... fresh? Sure, Mario, Metroid, and Golden Sun are good, but it seems like Nintendo has really stagnated in good games that aren't gimmicks. Plus theres a bunch of old IP that isn't being capitalized on such as the old Japanese Fire Emblem games, Earthbound hasn't even seen a US release on the Virtual Console and Kid Icarus hasn't seen a new game in ages.

Nintendo needs to make more "hardcore" games so whenever they aren't in first place anymore they won't go belly up.

Re:Nintendo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28193273)

You want old, underused IP?

They're doing a new entry in the Boy and His Blob series for the Wii.

I about shat myself laughing when I heard.

I'm a hypocrite (5, Insightful)

wilsoniya (902930) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191701)

As the type of person who despises media companies that crap out products having never-ending sequels (sims, guitar hero), Nintendo really brings out the hypocrite in me, as I feel compelled to always buy the canonical Mario games.

They had me at at Super Mario World.

Re:I'm a hypocrite (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191747)

The difference is that each Mario game seems to be more than just an expansion pack. Super Mario Bros. was a classic platformer, SMB 2 (US version) was totally different yet still addicting, SMB 2 (Japanese version, Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels for westerners) was somewhat of an expansion pack but really seemed polished (and difficult), SMB3 added so much to the series and video games in general, Super Mario World added TONS of replay value, Super Mario 64 defined 3D platforming, Super Mario Sunshine was an experiment that worked sorta well, but played differently then any other game at the time or since then, Super Mario Galaxy expanded the Mario world a lot. Each new release isn't just new tracks or new powerups its a totally new experience that seems to redefine video gaming as a whole. While the next Guitar Hero just will have new tracks, the new Mario games usually have something unique to offer.

Re:I'm a hypocrite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192263)

And then there are the spinoffs. Kinda wish they wouldn't whore the character around so much, but games with Mario on the box are almost invariably great fun. I'm probably looking more forward to the new Mario & Luigi game than anything else I saw at E3. Looks very clever and funny.

Re:I'm a hypocrite (2, Interesting)

mog007 (677810) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192383)

I'd have to agree. Nintendo pretty much just keeps the same characters we know and love, tosses in some totally new aspect to it and comes up with a new story. It's a great way of keeping things fresh while still appealing to our nostalgia. Mario isn't the only property that's done it. When I first heard about Metroid Prime and the fact it would be a first person shooter, I was appalled, but it was a fantastic game.

The Zelda series hasn't really innovated as well as Mario or Metroid, though. Twilight Princess introduced new characters, but the game play didn't add anything really innovative. At least Wind Waker had the cel-shaded graphics to set it apart as something new, and Majora's Mask might not have done much with gameplay, I'd still say that with the dark tone of the story, it's probably my favorite Zelda of all time.

Re:I'm a hypocrite (4, Insightful)

atamido (1020905) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192603)

The thing about these characters is that they are such a valuable piece of property to Nintendo that it pretty much guarantees that they won't risk releasing a crappy game with those characters that would destroy the franchise. Let's face it, Mario's story isn't exactly great, it's Nintendo's dedication and time to developing Mario games that makes him so popular.

Looks good but... (3, Insightful)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191723)

... nintendo really needs 3rd party games badly. The fact they went with underpowered hardware really killed 3rd party companies ability to port their games to the system. Which means: No final fantasy 13, no Street fighter 4, No soul calibur 4, etc, etc....

Everytime nintendo learns from it's mistakes, it makes another one. It's also a shame that they fucked up starfox series so badly with Starfox Assault and Starfox adventures (was: Dinosaur planet)

I heard the starfox developer got in a tiff with Miyamoto on the direction of the starfox franchise and they went their seperate ways... shame, it appears that Miyamoto thinks he's gods gift, and he outrights ignores the fan's of the games themselves. Pretty awful in my opinion.

It's cool that Nintendo seems to be getting on the ball with Metroid, I hope Team Ninja's metroid is awesome, looks good from the trailers... I wish that they would farm out Zelda to team that does 3D combat well, I wonder what the god of war team could come up with working with Nintendo's own team.

Re:Looks good but... (3, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191825)

... nintendo really needs 3rd party games badly. The fact they went with underpowered hardware really killed 3rd party companies ability to port their games to the system. Which means: No final fantasy 13, no Street fighter 4, No soul calibur 4, etc, etc....

Underpowered? Other then for cut scenes/graphics the games really don't *need* the extra power. With the Wii not doing HD it really doesn't need any extra power. What the Wii doesn't have is buttons, if you use the motion controls it ends up not working like all the other consoles, if you don't use the motion controls you get angry reviewers saying how it doesn't use "the full potential" of the Wii. Final Fantasy XIII is meant for hardcore gamers, the Wii just doesn't have that audience, now most hardcore gamers do own a Wii but play most games on the PS3 or 360. As for Street Fighter 4 and Soul Calibur, you kinda need buttons to do all the combos, waving around a Wii Remote doesn't exactly have the same appeal.

I agree about the third party games though, it seems that due to Nintendo's marketing of the console towards 8 year olds and 40 somethings, they have lost the demographic of good third party game publishers. Either they give you crappy mini game collections, bad licensed titles, crappy ports of old PS2 games or rip-offs of Wii Fit or the other Wii titles. It seems like few developers will actually make a good game on the Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl is proof that it is possible. But even for studios who do make an effort, their work is overshadowed by a better game released for a different console, just look at Namco, they released the decent-ish Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World for the Wii, then released the amazing Tales of Vesperia for the 360. They could have done Vesperia for the Wii but Nintendo's marketing kept them away.

Re:Looks good but... (2, Insightful)

bogjobber (880402) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192583)

Other then for cut scenes/graphics the games really don't *need* the extra power.

Even ignoring the fact that graphics are a major factor for most gamers' enjoyment (it's inexcusable that the Wii doesn't have HD), you really do need extra power. The Wii really limits what you can do with a game, because there is just not the processing power or storage that you need for modern, sophisticated games. This is the main reason why you don't see ports on the Wii, otherwise every developer would love to make Wii games. But they've ensured that only a certain type of game can be made on the Wii, and that will certainly have negative consequences in the future as the PS3 and 360 are taken to their full potential.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193163)

"Underpowered? Other then for cut scenes/graphics the games really don't *need* the extra power. With the Wii not doing HD it really doesn't need any extra power. What the Wii doesn't have is buttons, if you use the motion controls it ends up not working like all the other consoles, if you don't use the motion controls you get angry reviewers saying how it doesn't use "the full potential" of the Wii. Final Fantasy XIII is meant for hardcore "

I'm sorry but I disagree, if you look at the history of video games at all. Sony playstation captured the entirety of the SNES game development community within a single generation because Nintendo decided to stick with cartridge based media while Sony opted for the cheaper CD with huge storage. Playstation games tended to be better then most of what Nintendo had during that entire generation.

If Wii had more powerful hardware no company worth their salt would not go for the extra money, you're not seeing the logic of 3rd party companies is to maximize profits. The cost benefit analysis on multiplatforming to an underpowered Wii doesn't make sense given the Wii's lack of horsepower.

If Wii was competitive with the PS3 and 360 in terms of horsepower we'd see a lot more cross platform games, simply because of the money to be made from the large installed base.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193209)

I'm sorry but I disagree, if you look at the history of video games at all. Sony playstation captured the entirety of the SNES game development community within a single generation because Nintendo decided to stick with cartridge based media while Sony opted for the cheaper CD with huge storage.

You're confusing the storage medium with the console's power. The Nintendo 64 was more powerful than the PlayStation, yet that didn't stop anyone from making great games for the PlayStation.

The PlayStation 2 was the weakest console of its generation, yet it got tons of developer support and many great games.

History shows that 'power' doesn't matter.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193447)

Times have changed, 3rd parties are all about multiplatforming now.

Everything the 360 is getting notice the PS3 has also has, the same could be said for the Wii if it was not underpowered. Heck, even Streetfighter is made for all platforms (even the PC) excluding the underpowered Wii.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193341)

Both Tales of games are geared at hardcore audiences, regardless of their quality, so I don't get your logic that Nintendo's marketing kept Vesperia away.

Re:Looks good but... (2, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191835)

Keep in mind, it also is the reason why the Wii has far more exclusives than its competitors. They may not be GOOD exclusives, but there's a lot of them. (And some ARE good.)

Re:Looks good but... (0)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192129)

nintendo really needs 3rd party games badly. The fact they went with underpowered hardware really killed 3rd party companies ability to port their games to the system Worldwide sales to date. WII: 255,066 XB360: 118,622 PS3: 103,378 Ooh yeah. Nintendo's hurting all right. They really must be kicking themselves about the utter incompetence they've shown in TOTALLY DOMINATING WORLDWIDE CONSOLE SALES.

Re:Looks good but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192151)

The Gamecube had very competitive hardware, and what most 3rd parties did was crap out inferior ports compared to the Xbox and PS2 versions. The Wii is underpowered for many reasons, one of which is to make it cheap for developers to experiment with its control system.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192185)

... nintendo really needs 3rd party games badly. The fact they went with underpowered hardware really killed 3rd party companies ability to port their games to the system. Which means: No final fantasy 13, no Street fighter 4, No soul calibur 4, etc, etc....

With the wii leading the pack, you've really got to wonder why 3rd parties aren't doing it the other way around: making games primarily for the wii and porting it to the more powerful systems.

They'll spew something about different types of gamers, but most gamers I know bought a wii early on and have nothing to use it for. Even if you're sure somehow only half of wii owners are interested in your game, that's a half that is starved for ANYTHING decent, and half the wii base is still pretty sizeable.

(Yes, I realize that "most gamers I know" is not very scientific. I doubt 3rd party devs are very scientific about it either though.)

Re:Looks good but... (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192345)

Plus, the Wii is so much cheaper to develop for. I don't know exact budgets, but just the textures and modeling is so much more intensive on the PS3 and 360, I'd be suprised if a Wii game cost half as much to develop. Probably significantly less. I would have thought the Wii would have more cool, 'indy' titles, where risks are taken. The other consoles, everything has to be like a summer blockbuster. Big budget, guaranteed return, slickly polished, and no risk.

I just get a feeling of untapped potential for the Wii, that I don't get from the other two consoles.

Re:Looks good but... (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193191)

No Final Fantasy XIII, but it does get Dragon Quest X, the latest entry of the #1 selling RPG franchise in Japan. Not to mention that Dragon Quest games tend to be better than Final Fantasy anyway.

However, porting ability? If the Wii's power was a problem, they wouldn't even dream of porting their titles to the PlayStation 2. But many developers do.

Still dissapointing. (4, Interesting)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191773)

Sure, everyone loves Mario but at this point it's obvious Nintendo is very stagnant. Most of the stuff on the Wii is pure shovelware garbage, and I've yet to be truly impressed with the uses of the Wiimote (although the device itself is fantastic and I even use it with my computer via bluetooth). The Wii is a stagnant system all-around for the more active gamer, and its "environment" is so sterile (less mature games, using the friend code system, etc) and the system is far enough behind the others in terms of graphical and processing ability to not allow for faithful ports of games on the XBox 360 or PS3.

You'd think Nintendo would at least ramp up 1st party games but nope. Most of what is coming out is unremarkable shovelware. The DS is definitely starting to lose some of its luster as only a few good games on it seem over the horizon--though I do think the DS was overall a success with many quality games.

Mario, Mario, and Metriod. And another gimmick, Wii fit. How depressing for us Wii owners.

As an aside, when is Nintendo going to come out with a faithful quality sequel to Star Fox 64?

Re:Still dissapointing. (-1, Redundant)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191843)

Is it just me, or did the submitter forget to close an italics tag somewhere? Everything is coming up italicized for me.

Re:Still dissapointing. (4, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191859)

Mario, Mario, and Metriod. And another gimmick, Wii fit. How depressing for us Wii owners.

If it's that depressing for Wii owners, why do those games SELL SO WELL? Why is Sony and Microsoft intent on copying them?

I get what you're saying. I want some hardcore action, FPS, RPG, and strategy games. The Wiimote would make a sweet interface for a RTS like Starcraft. But just remember, Wii Fit makes more people more happy than a port of 'Bioshock' would. Just not necessarily you or I.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

Vu1turEMaN (1270774) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191873)

You forgot Kirby. The Wii would be the perfect place to take advantage of that type of gameplay....I'd love it.

I hated Galaxy, but I wouldn't mind a sequel to any other game....even RPG and Sunshine.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191911)

Kirby has only gotten real quality love on 2d platforms such as the SNES and DS and Super Smash Bros. Brawl (hee hee hee, perhaps you get the humor here). I do agree with you but the chance of a 3D Kirby game of quality is looking even less likely than a new Star Fox at this point. Nintendo just isn't coming out with anything new that isn't a gimmick. They're taking no risks and it's not exactly keeping my interest.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

Vu1turEMaN (1270774) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191963)

I was thinking of a 2D game on the Wii using the remote like how they used the DS's touch screen to control Kirby in the one game...

I'm just happy that they released Kirby Super Star....I've gone through 3 SNES copies of it until they break lol

They will bring back StarFox. They know they can make money on Barrel Roll t-shirts.

Its sad though with Donkey Kong....that license is so fucked up and owned by 200000 people that nothing will ever get made ever again. I really want a DK tie and I'd have to pay huge money to have a custom tie designer make me one, cause Zazzle slapped me with copywright infringement (which would be true, but screw em).

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191985)

A 2D game on the wii with Kirby would be nice. That game you are talking about was fantastic, I believe it was Kirby's Paintbrush.

You say they will bring back Star Fox because of the money, but I don't think that matters. It seems like Nintendo has a fundamental disconnect with its fans. They should have brought back REAL Star Fox a long time ago.

You are very right in regards Donkey Kong. The 3 Donkey Kong Country games, particularly 2 and 3, were some of the best platformers ever, though 64 was an abomination and marked Rareware's descent and decline. I think only old Rare could make DK games as clever as the SNES trilogy. We'll never see them again. Only more silly gimmick/puzzle games.

I don't get you. (4, Interesting)

nobodyman (90587) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192165)

I agree that the 3rd party situation is abysmal, but I'm scratching my head when you say that they are stagnating. If anything, I'd say they are the only console manufacturer that has truly managed to innovate and break out of traditional "gamer" demographic.

And then there's this:

Mario, Mario, and Metriod. And another gimmick, Wii fit. How depressing for us Wii owners.

As an aside, when is Nintendo going to come out with a faithful quality sequel to Star Fox 64?

Translation:

<sequel/>, <sequel/>, and <sequel/>. And another gimmick, Wii fit. How depressing for us Wii owners.

As an aside, when is Nintendo going to come out with a faithful quality sequel to <sequel/>?

So you want innovation... except when you don't?

Re:I don't get you. (1, Troll)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193027)

The problem is is that while the Wii has broken out of the traditional gamer demographic, it has largely forgotten them. Wii bowling is fun but I'd prefer something a little more. Yes, that's an exaggeration, the Wii does has some phenomenal games but I find it mostly collecting dust while I play on my PC. Where's Star Fox? Another Zelda? Why so few new franchises, something more original?

As for Mario versus Star Fox, very cute. You reveal the Nintendo Internet Warrior inside of you. A quality Star Fox hasn't been seen since the 64 version which was OVER A DECADE AGO. I don't mind Mario but when all they have is Mario and Metroid as their big things at E3 it doesn't look good.

I don't care about sequels if the games are good. I always expect there to be Mario games. But I want something other than a the goddamn plumber. Maybe that excites you nintendo fanboys, but not me...

Re:Muscle March (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192223)

If only they'd release Muscle March [youtube.com] and similar Japanese games in Europe/US.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192225)

Sure, everyone loves Mario but at this point it's obvious Nintendo is very stagnant. Most of the stuff on the Wii is pure shovelware garbage...You'd think Nintendo would at least ramp up 1st party games but nope. Most of what is coming out is unremarkable shovelware.

Shovelware doesn't mean "games I don't like." Wii fit is not shovelware, nintendo put effort in there and it paid off. I don't like a lot of what nintendo puts out as of late, but it's not crap they're shoveling out for cheap. Nintendo puts far more effort into it's games than the other two console makers.

Calling mario a gimmick is just flamebait.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192737)

shovelware doesn't mean "games I don't like." Wii fit is not shovelware, nintendo put effort in there and it paid off. I don't like a lot of what nintendo puts out as of late, but it's not crap they're shoveling out for cheap

I completely agree on this. I followed the E3 press conference via gamespot, and the general comments where negative in there (see end of message). While I agreed with several of the comments, I also understood that the people following the conference at gamespot are not Nintendo's main target audience, but the grandmas, grandpas, pops and moms who do not play (the Japanese guy mentioned something like that during his never-ending speech).

For me, the existence of the new Metroid, The Conduit, Resident Evil and Red Steel is sufficient to fill my "hardcore gamer" needs. On the other hand, the new Super Mario Bros for Wii seems like a nice game to play with my wife...

The pulse measuring gimmick has some potential, however it depends a lot on the software they produce to make use of it. I got the Wii Fit with the Wii balance board... however, after playing for about one month it really loses novelty. In comparison, I have been playing Yourself!Fitness (My Fitness Coach for the PC) for quite a long time and it is still challenging and interesting.

Calling mario a gimmick is just flamebait.

You let the fanboy in you shown there. One of the points of GP is that nowadays more than half of games in the Wii are Mario or the like. There are now real new and interesting game using the new and interesting capabilities of the Wii mote... just yesterday I was playing NBA JAM for the SNES and I also Blackthorne. Just because there are very few interesting games available... The fact that Nintendo has been milking the Mario franchise for so long makes the next great Mario game a gimmick.
From wikipedia:

In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature.

So, as someone put it in the gamespot comments: wow, multiple player mario bros ... color me impressed.

Appendix, selected comments from gamespot:

  • this simultaneously sucks and blows
  • I think Nintendo is going after girls and homos only these days
  • man i hope nintendo sales plumet so they can learn a lesson
  • throw some tomatoes LAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
  • am a huge Nintendo Fan but this is Super crappy
  • Nintendo = Fisher-Price, Oprah Fan Club, Nursing Homes Real gamers just need to give up on them.
  • I don't want everyones game.....i can't play games for 3 year old....we are gonna go dumb....omg....why why.....why are you so dumb.....
  • So now the wii is a diabetes reader??????
  • This is the best they come up with? The Wii fingerer.
  • Is that all!?!?!?!?!?1
  • I shouldn't have to sit through an hour of s--- to see the only thing worth seeing.
  • nintendo.. not ONE new IP shown today.. ALL sequels
  • No zelda??? WOW FAIL..
  • lol why dont they just release all old n64 games and get em out the way save next 4 years of crap remakes

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192999)

I completely agree on this.

So do I. The guy you are responding too either skimmed my post or has poor reading ability; if you want to know what I meant by Wii's shovelware go check most of what's on store shelves. I know all systems suffer from "most games are garbage" games, but Wii is the worst offender with the lowest signal-to-noise ratio.

You let the fanboy in you shown there. One of the points of GP is that nowadays more than half of games in the Wii are Mario or the like. There are now real new and interesting game using the new and interesting capabilities of the Wii mote... just yesterday I was playing NBA JAM for the SNES and I also Blackthorne. Just because there are very few interesting games available... The fact that Nintendo has been milking the Mario franchise for so long makes the next great Mario game a gimmick.

OK, but I never said Mario was a gimmick and I still don't agree. I think he's been hashed out so much that it's getting tiresome, but the Mario games that come out are generally quality games. Wii Fit might fit the bill, though I haven't used it myself and I wonder how fun or useful it is... Nintendo has a reputation for using gimmicks, how games use them can be hit-or-miss like the motion controls on the wiimote or the touch screen on the nintendo DS (and the dual screen feature as well). By "gimmick" I am referring to games which rely on motion control but aren't actually fun.

Also, Nintendo keeps doing remake after remake after remake. It's getting old. I don't mind quality remakes of old games but a lot of them are just small tweaks rereleased on a new console to milk more money out of an old favorite.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192961)

I never said wii fit was shovelware or Mario was a gimmick. Please read closely, it will help you a lot in the future.

I am talking about those gimmick games which rely on the wiimote very poorly and don't focus on actual good game.

Re:Still dissapointing. (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192777)

Problem mainly is that people demand that stuff, if you sell 15 mio wii fit and maybe 20.000-40.000 Disaster day of Crisis (guessed number) which way do you go?
Nintendo just goes the way they earn most money with, thats the reality of life!

wtf slashdot is all italic!! (0, Offtopic)

bronney (638318) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191809)

I must be new here but again, please stop touching the pages guys.

Re:wtf slashdot is all italic!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28191919)

Thank god someone else is having this problem. I thought my browser was screwed up for a minute.

Re:wtf slashdot is all italic!! (0, Offtopic)

Artemis3 (85734) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191997)

At least i can now read comments, last week i was getting "Connection Interrupted" errors in all articles using Firefox, with Midori it would work after a few retries, but it seemed to not read the css at all (Midori passes Acid3 with 100/100)

Re:wtf slashdot is all italic!! (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192131)

Since we are off topic anyway, let me add my voice to the plea to stop screwing around with the site already. I used to be able to read slashdot on iphone, but now when I touch links such as Read More on a story on the front page half the time it selects the entire box instead of just the link and reloads the front page. On firefox I can't see the comment subjects on the pages with green title bg, the site feels slower than it used to be. What purpose is served by any of the recent changes apart from letting somebody show off his "web 2.0" skills? Can we have an option to "downgrade" to an old version that works?

The Pokeymans (1)

Haoie (1277294) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191877)

Pokemon Gold/Silver's remakes: Now those are what many are anticipating.

With good cause too. I'm looking forward to seeing the improvements.

Bad HTML (1, Redundant)

nolesrule (152898) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191915)

The title of the submission is missing a closing em tag after the word "Metroid", causing any non-styled text below it to appear italicized. This affects any page containing the title.

And new Wii Zelda (4, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 4 years ago | (#28191917)

While there's extremely little information outside of "It exists", a new Wii Zelda [nintendoworldreport.com] has been announced. Supposedly more "mature", though that can mean many things to many people.

All in all, this is a MUCH better showing from Nintendo than last year's "Yay let's flail around faking music!" show. I almost wish they had split what we've see this year between this and 2008 E3s, so that we might see more of each thing.

Personally, I'm more excited for Golden Sun DS than anything else, though I'm sure to pick of SMG2 and Metroid. Too bad that rumored Metroid: Dread for DS never came about.

Re:And new Wii Zelda (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193405)

Of course it was a better showing. E3 went back to its roots this year, while last year it was more of a press event.

Metroid: Other M Trailer (2, Informative)

yoyhed (651244) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192005)

Instead of slashdotting a smaller site hosting a shaky-cam video of the trailer, how about a high quality direct-feed video on a larger site? Metroid: Other M trailer [gametrailers.com]

In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192095)

In other words, Nintendo is continuing to beat a dead horse, and continue to reuse it's ancient copyright's

Re:In other words... (1)

ArcadeNut (85398) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192199)

You mean just like Microsoft, Sony, Sega, Konami, etc...?

Re:In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192331)

Seriously, how many games at this E3 were shown that didn't have a big, fat number at the end of the title? Beyond that, how many of them looked like they were worth more than two shits?

As for Nintendo re-using their old IP's, good. As long as the franchises don't go stale, which they haven't and likely won't for a long time. They're still doing new and interesting things with the Mario franchise decades later and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I thank you 7or your time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28192259)

archItecture. My LLok at the of open-source.

I'll be delicate... (0, Troll)

Schnoogs (1087081) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192273)

so as to not offend Wii owners but man does that Mario game look like something for the DS. I know graphics doesn't equal fun but it's hard for me to get excited over a game that looks like the SNES could have run it fine 15 years ago. It just looks like they went the easy route on this one. Slap together some 2D levels...charge $50.

The sad thing is that it probably is pushing the Wii to the breaking point processor wise. Needless to say I don't get the popularity of that system. The Wiimote too me works poorly and the games are gimmicky. This game will not make me drop $150 or so to buy a Wii.

Sorry if offended any Wii owners but I just don't get the hype.

Re:I'll be delicate... (3, Informative)

El Gigante de Justic (994299) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192725)

They point out in the article that it is basically the same graphics as the DS New Super Mario Bros, so yes, you're right, it looks like something from DS (intentionall). I'm sure it's no where near pushing the limits of the Wii hardware, considering what it has been shown to be capable of in games like Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Galaxy and MadWorld.

The hype is about the 4 person simultaneous multiplayer in a mario game, which is a completely new feature - maybe you should try reading the article instead of just looking at the pictures.

Ridley... isn't dead? (2, Interesting)

Tinctorius (1529849) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192311)

I'm really wondering how Nintendo is going to resurrect Ridley this time. He's "died" in every game he's been in, and they're not going to tell me that killing him in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption didn't do anything. Again.

As much as I love the Metroid series, I know that it must some day end. For me, it'll never get better than Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion. The way I see it, the whole adventure of finding new areas or trying to skip areas (at which I horribly suck, but the trying part is fun enough) is pretty much gone in the 3D versions. Time for Nintendo to leave the saga as it is, and create some new great idea.

Re:Ridley... isn't dead? (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192681)

Instead of Ridley Prine, it'll be Ridley Eta. Since alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon, and zeta have already been used. :P

Re:Ridley... isn't dead? (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193415)

Of course Ridley will have survived. The Metroid Prime games take place between Metroid and Metroid II. Ridley has to be there for Super Metroid.

Yawn (2, Insightful)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#28192537)

I must be getting older because I just don't get too excited about "new" games. I wonder if I am leveling up in my Geekdom. I find myself caring less and less about video games and movies, and more and more about getting network jacks in every room in the house and getting all my DVDs ripped to a SAN so I stream them to the media room.

Re:Yawn (0, Flamebait)

johannesg (664142) | more than 4 years ago | (#28193193)

I must be getting older because I just don't get too excited about "new" games. I wonder if I am leveling up in my Geekdom. I find myself caring less and less about video games and movies, and more and more about getting network jacks in every room in the house and getting all my DVDs ripped to a SAN so I stream them to the media room.

That's ok. It happens when you get older, and it is called "getting a life". One of these days you may even experience something called "sex". It almost beats ripping your DVD's to a SAN so you can stream them off your jacks in every room in your house...

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