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Pirate Party Wins At Least One European Parliament Seat

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the replace-amateur-clowns-with-professional-clowns dept.

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reeeh2000 writes "According to TorrentFreak, with half of polling stations now closed in Sweden, the Pirate Party has at least one guaranteed seat in the EU Parliament. Currently, the party is sitting with 7% of the vote. Depending on how the remaining districts voted, the Pirate Party could win another seat, for a total of two." Reader lordholm adds a link to an article about exit polls in Sweden (link in Swedish) indicating that the Pirate Party will score two seats, writing "According to the polls, the pirate party is the largest party in the 18-30 year age category of voters. The final counting of votes (including around a million postal votes) will not be done until later next week."

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Bravo! (5, Insightful)

siloko (1133863) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244347)

A fantastic result. It seems that democratic representation means something even to filesharers! Who would have thought that they're not all teenage hoodies checking out of society!

Re:Bravo! (5, Interesting)

Markspark (969445) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244473)

actually a lot of people voted on the pirate party to protect civil liberties and personal rights. (I did for an example)

Re:Bravo! (1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244769)

This is such a joke. What civil liberties and personal rights are you voting to protect? Your right to pirate copyrighted materials on PirateBay? It's called the PIRATE party.

Slashdot has become a sickening pro-piracy website. Have you ever wondered why the big names like John Carmack no longer post here? Why doesn't he deserve to get paid for his work?

Re:Bravo! (2, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244837)

I agree 100%, but you are already moderated troll.

I'd be happier if the pirate party re-branded itself the 'lets kill off the digital entertainment industry' party, because that is the upshot of their 'policies'.
I'm a very liberal voter who supports freedom of information, and strong consumer and individual rights and freedoms and privacy...

However, I can't possibly equate that with some crap about 'copyright being evil'. Copyright is a totally different issue to freedom and privacy. An attempt to wrap up the 'lets all take stuff for free' ideology with some cuddly stuff about privacy is simplistic and silly. It's sad so many people fall for it.

Re:Bravo! (5, Insightful)

hanssprudel (323035) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244871)

The current Swedish government has rushed through a number of privacy encroaching laws regarding the Internet, which have been deeply unpopular with a large part of the population, and yet have had the support of all the mainstream parties. These have included:

- Unlimited wiretapping with court order of all International data traffic for the intelligence services (and remember that in a country of 9 million, a lot more traffic is international than say in the US - in fact a lot of domestic traffic is routed internationally!)

- Forced data retention laws for ISPs, forcing them to keep information about all incoming/outgoing email as well as TCP connections.

- Laws enacted to help the music/movie industry allowing them to demand ISPs reveal the identity of Internet users with little court oversight.

These things, much more than the takedown of the pirate bay, has influenced people to vote for the Pirate Party, who have presented the only political opposition to them.

In fact, my 58 year old mother just called me to tell me she voted for PP (and I didn't even ask her to). I promise that she has never torrented anything in her life - yet she doesn't like the government spying on her more than anybody else.

Re:Bravo! (4, Informative)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244877)

This is such a joke. What civil liberties and personal rights are you voting to protect?

Well stuff like net neutrality and the right to privacy for one. Perhaps you should go read their views on various issues, I think you'll find there's a bit more to it that "LOL I WANT NEW TOM CROOSE MOOVIES".

Re:Bravo! (4, Interesting)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244497)

18-30 year-olds? So in the next EP election, the PP will be the favoured party of 18-35 year-olds. That should give more than just one or two seats.

Re:Bravo! (5, Insightful)

alexhard (778254) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244587)

I think that in the next 5 years the PP will focus more on presenting these issues to older people, as well. Singing to the choir will only get you so far..

I think this has a lot to do with the way the party is represented by the media: when older people hear that the PP is "for the legalization of file sharing", they obviously don't think this is an important issue. If they knew the extent of the damage being done to personal liberties and privacy, they would be more willing to vote for the pirates.

Re:Bravo! (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244813)

They've made the right first step. Now that they have a seat, older voters will be more likely to actually listen when they do explain the issues.

Re:Bravo! (-1, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244821)

Oh, Slashdotters...you've gotten so ridiculous in the last decade.

The Pirate Party is nothing more than a bunch of college kids who want shit for free. It's not some cultural revolution or educational organization. It's the PIRATE Party. They don't believe anyone should be compensated for their work.

Meanwhile, the GPL relies on copyright, but Slashdotters never realize that. They only cheer the Pirate Party because Slashdot posted enough RIAA and MPAA articles to convince them that blaming scapegoats for protecting their copyrights is valid justification for ripping artists off. "The RIAA made me do it!" Meanwhile, the artists you're not paying never come up in the discussion, because if they did, your position would fall apart because it would reveal you as the bad guy again and not the "MAFIAA" (ugh).

Slashdot has even gone after other websites in the past for copyright infringement. Face it, this is just more goofy, idealistic college kiddie crap from pirates who don't want to lose their free ride. It has nothing to do with rights, because violating artist rights is what the PIRATE Party wants.

Re:Bravo! (1)

yoldapirate (1304207) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244885)

and like all parties it will go into corruption as time goes by, people cant be trusted for long. But its a good start for now.

Re:Bravo! (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244593)

Sure, but the point of the party isn't really to become a "real" party but to force other parties into taking strong stances in making copyright weaker, protecting the fair use and the right to personal filesharing along with actually giving a crap about privacy. Perhaps it will take more than one or two elections, but 30-40 years down the road, the Pirate Party will most likely become obsolete as the other more "mainstream" parties will have taken up the pirate cause and then people will vote based on the economy, etc. because everyone will care about allowing filesharing and increasing privacy.

Re:Bravo! (5, Insightful)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244681)

>18-30 year-olds? So in the next EP election, the PP will be the favoured party of 18-35 year-olds.

No, once they are over 30 something clicks and they become more interested in preserving their own wealth than in idealism, so they become conservatives.

You would think that the counterculture generation of the 1960s would behave differently now that they are the dominant force in government and business, but look at the reality.

Re:Bravo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244787)

Wow. You're a loony!

nethack@cox.net

Re:Bravo! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244701)

pirates want to not feel bad about ripping people off and stealing. The hippie bullshit party lets them feel like their actions are justified.
Hence the votes,
they dont give a fuck about democracy or privacy. Don't kid yourself.
ThePirateBay is owned by a right wing racist millionaire. You think pirateparty voters are freedom loving?
ha!

Re:Bravo! (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244729)

ThePirateBay is owned by a right wing racist millionaire.

No, a right wing racist millionaire made a donation to the site several years ago.

Re:Bravo! (1, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244779)

"Filesharers," haha Answer me something. Why is it called the PIRATE Party?

Re:Bravo! (1, Troll)

cliffski (65094) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244845)

'file-sharing' is the new cuddly way to avoid admitting that it's theft.
In other news, car-jacking is to be called 'motor-car scrumping', hence making it seem socially acceptable.

Re:Bravo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244913)

http://www.physorg.com/news70726212.html
http://a4a.mahost.org/pirates.html

hope that helps.

Nice work RIAA!!! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244375)

They couldn't have done it with out you.

It's fucking Sweden, a dark and cold place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244739)

Who the fuck really cares what a swede does, or votes for? When was the last time you heard about Sweden-anything? Never? That sounds about right. Sweden was once known for an all-chick ski team. That's about it. If you know of more sweden-things, speak up.

Good for everybody. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244395)

Well done. If they do manage to change copyright law for the better, several countries should also follow suit.

Fantastic! (4, Funny)

tindur (658483) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244401)

I hope they will bring up for discussion a lot of the concerns of fellow slashdotters.

Re:Fantastic! (1, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244585)

What concerns exactly? That it's illegal to download copyrighted stuff? That's not a concern that will be taken seriously by anyone outside the pirate party. I mean this is the party who seriously proposes replacing pharma patents with all drug R&D being government funded. Their policies appear to be incredibly flimsy, there's not even any discussion of the content providers POV on their English website. It's just "p2p should be free, drm should be illegal, nobody needs to make money after 5 years anyway".

Re:Fantastic! (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244619)

Lots of content providers are members. I assure you the the party members (third biggest party in Sweden, registered) are quite knowledgeable in the subject.

I know I am.

Re:Fantastic! (1)

alexhard (778254) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244641)

Actually it's a concern that will be taken extremely seriously. If these were national elections, the Pirate Party would decide which one of the two alliances would rule. This gives them immense bargaining power.

And anyway, the most important point the PP is pushing is the right to privacy, which is being continuously eroded. R&D is already funded (mostly) by the government, btw.

Re:Fantastic! (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244649)

Content providers are simply middlemen, they are very small in number, do an increasingly useless job, and employ tactics that most of the internet-using population hates to use their unpopular viewpoints. There are a lot of content producers such as artists, writers, etc. that applaud the Pirate Party.

I mean this is the party who seriously proposes replacing pharma patents with all drug R&D being government funded.

In a country with sky-high taxes, government healthcare, etc. that could very well work. Now, in a more capitalist economy such as the USA, it would fail, but in a more socialist economy such as that of Sweeden, it could very well work.

It's just "p2p should be free, drm should be illegal, nobody needs to make money after 5 years anyway".

P2P for non-profit use should be allowed because it eventually helps the content producers. DRM should be perfectly legal to break and should require warning labels when it is used. And really, after 5 years most of the money from most works have dried up (or releasing them to the public domain wouldn't hurt sales), however they could be built upon, expanded and generally contribute more to the world.

Re:Fantastic! (3, Informative)

cliffski (65094) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244875)

I'm a content provider. I make games and sell them. Explain to me how I am an irrlevant middleman.
Who makes my games? pixies from space?

BTW, as a content producer, I disagree that p2p helps me in an way. In fact, I strongly refute that.

But as an angti-piracy poster here, I'll get modded as troll in the hope nobody will read a dissenting view on slashdot.

Re:Fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244665)

That it's illegal to download copyrighted stuff?

Actually, in a number of EU countries, downloading only (not sharing) of is perfectly legal. Over here in Slovakia it applies only to audiovisual works (not software), other jurisdictions may be different.

Re:Fantastic! (3, Informative)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244675)

What concerns exactly? That it's illegal to download copyrighted stuff?

How about the fact that the penalties for "download[ing] copyrighted stuff" (which is not illegal except under specific circumstances; if it were always illegal, then everyone on Slashdot, and in fact almost everyone who uses the internet for anything, would be a criminal) are increasingly absurd and draconian, and in many cases the mere accusation of misconduct is sufficient to cause those penalties to be invoked? If that doesn't concern you, then you're not paying attention.

Re:Fantastic! (3, Insightful)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244677)

... [snip] .. It's just "[snip] nobody needs to make money after 5 years anyway".

If you quit your job today you'd expect to still be getting paid 5 years from now I assume?

Re:Fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244647)

All works intellectual creativity of should be given away free. We should only have to pay for retail services, and stuff that China and the rest of the world manufactures... not for what America does best.

Re:Fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244791)

"That's it, I quit, I guess retail is a good use for my engineering degree now."

Re:Fantastic! (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244879)

how do the people who produce anything creative pay the bills? with space dust?
Its scares me that people think bullshit like yours makes sense.

Re:Fantastic! (-1, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244835)

Since Slashdot has become a pro-piracy haven for leeches, freeloaders, and other dredges of society who refuse to pay people for their hard work, I'm sure the pirate party will definitely be representing your pro-piracy concerns.

Re:Fantastic! (0, Troll)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244905)

It concerns me that people think they can use the product of my mind for free and against my wishes. How can you justify that? Don't the rights of those who create the content matter?

Biggest party in Sweden for voters under 30 (5, Insightful)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244407)

http://www.thelocal.se/19928/20090607/ [thelocal.se]

Among voters aged under 30, some 19 percent are believed to have cast a vote for the Pirate Party.

"They are the biggest party among young people, bigger than both the Social Democrats and the Moderates," said politics professor SÃren Holmberg.

As I was just telling my girlfriend, one way or another, it should be the first time the EP gets people who actually understand present day computer technology.

Re:Biggest party in Sweden for voters under 30 (3, Interesting)

hingo (687307) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244645)

Actually, the Europarl is big and there have been people who understand SW patents and copyrights very well, for instance in the Greens and even in the conservative bloc. It's just that for every such MEP there were also those with their hands deep in the RIAA/BSA lobbyists pockets. To have a new party running primarily on this theme will indeed make a difference.

You could see it on Swedish pre-election TV debates already. The PP wasn't even there (as a non-established party, this is normal) but the established ones (Greens and Left) would argue for essenitally the PP agenda, with the others grudgingly admitting to small pieces.

Re:Biggest party in Sweden for voters under 30 (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244713)

Does that mean that the PP will be allowed to participate in future televised debates? Now that should be interesting.

One seat "only" (4, Informative)

eddy (18759) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244409)

It's one seat only for sure, however, it's my understanding that if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified (shudder), this opens up extra seats one of which would go to PP.

Re:One seat "only" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244597)

It's one seat only for sure, however, it's my understanding that if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified (shudder), this opens up extra seats one of which would go to PP.

Yes. However, since the EU bureaucracy seems to take the Lisbon treaty as a foregone conclusion (railroading much lately?), PP will still be required to send the additional representative, which can function much as a real one in all ways but voting.

Re:One seat "only" (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244705)

It's one seat only for sure, however, it's my understanding that if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified (shudder), this opens up extra seats one of which would go to PP.

Yes. However, since the EU bureaucracy seems to take the Lisbon treaty as a foregone conclusion (railroading much lately?)

Needs a referendum here (Ireland) and since the opposition to it (Mainly Libertas, a party that popped into existence just for the purpose of campaigning against Lisbon currently under investigating for having it's money appear out of thin air and refusing to explain, but that's only slightly related) seems to just be spreading blatant lies, claiming that it will bring back the death penalty, legalise abortion and double taxes, it seems unlikely to pass.

That said, I'm not saying the Lisbon treaty is an excellent treaty, I don't know that much about it to be honest, but it annoys me that it lost 53-47 in the first referendum, because I know if people weren't blatantly lied to it would have passed.

Re:One seat "only" (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244667)

26 held parliamentary votes, 26 in favor.
1 held a referendum, 1 voted against.

3 of those 26 still have some constitutional checks and paperwork left, but it's just a straw to hang onto. Unless Ireland rejects them a second time, it's a done deal.

Two seats, one vote (2, Informative)

rednacid (709061) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244799)

They get two seats, but the second seat will be a non-voting seat (She [assuming it is Amelia Andersdotter]) will get the salary, personal staff but no vote until and if the Lisbon treaty passes.

One great big.. (5, Insightful)

castrox (630511) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244415)

This is one great big middle finger to the big parties who have ignored the privacy issues. Just this past month it's been very clear that the large parties are trembling because of the massive streams of voters who abandon them for the Pirate Party just because of these important issues. I really hope they will get with the program and realize that they can't dismiss the privacy debate and say that it's just a loud bunch who don't get it (the so called "pirates").

This... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244429)

This is a historic step towards economic freedom and reform. Congrats to Sweeden for actually making democracy happen.

Re:This... (-1, Redundant)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244859)

Haha. It has nothing to do with "economic freedom" or "democracy." It's just some goofy morons who want to rip artists off by not paying them for their work. They got a seat for the same reason people in my middle school voted the chubby girl for prom queen. It was a joke movement.

Why do you think it's called the PIRATE party?

German results (5, Informative)

mseeger (40923) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244437)

Hi,

the pirate party reached in germany 0,9%. Concerning lack of attention from the media, nearly non-existent funds and that stupid name, this is a very strong result for them.

CU, Martin

Re:German results (3, Interesting)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244615)

the pirate party reached in germany 0,9%. Concerning lack of attention from the media, nearly non-existent funds and that stupid name, this is a very strong result for them.

Wow - considering Germany gets 99 seats, just a bit over 1% would have gotten a German PP rep, too!!

When are the new Bundestag elections due, Martin?

Re:German results (5, Informative)

adpe (805723) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244657)

Sadly, we germans somehow think it's a good idea to only allow parties who get >=5% of the votes into our (or the european) parliaments. Might be because of our history, but we (the german pirate party, I'm a member), need to gain significant support to actually be allowed to say anything.

Re:German results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244735)

If you're German you should have heard of the Weimar Republic, and know exactly why this limit exists...

Re:German results (1)

adpe (805723) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244853)

I know about the reasoning for this rule, but let's face it, extremist parties have never had a chance in post-WW2 germany. Well, other than in some of the eastern states, where even the 5% rule didn't stop them. It's an outdated thing, which had its place when we were stuggling with ourselves. Now it's just a burden to smaller parties.

Re:German results (1)

Toy G (533867) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244671)

I think they might have a threshold around 4 or 5% for parties to be considered for seat assignments, if their EU electoral law is anything like the national one.

Re:German results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244625)

How is PIRATEN any less of a name than the swedish one? Maybe you're just stupid because you'd judge political parties and their agenda based on their names.

Re:German results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244789)

Hi,

the pirate party reached in germany 0,9%. Concerning lack of attention from the media, nearly non-existent funds and that stupid name, this is a very strong result for them.

CU, Martin

Guess who's going to be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Final results. (3, Informative)

Greger47 (516305) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244439)

The Pirate Party got 7.1% wth 99.9% votes counted. This will give them 1 seat in the current parlament, 2 if the parlament gets extended according to the Lisbon treaty. /greger

Re:Final results. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244493)

your name is listed at the top your post, there's no need to 'sign' it

Re:Final results. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244807)

Postal votes haven't been counted yet.
99.9% of today's votes have been counted.

Could be for lols (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244451)

If i was submitting to an exit poll that wasn't the REAL poll, i may put down pirate party for shits and giggles.

Hope? (1)

Hermel (958089) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244453)

Great news! I really hope the 18-30 year olds can still make a difference in an ageing society like Europe. I'm concerned that some decades ago, when the median age was much lower, western democracies were more agile and creative (look for example at the hippies, I'm not sure if that still wouldn't be possible).

Hope is procrastination Re:Hope? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244613)

If it weren't for the hippies Europe would not be an "aging society", they dealt a double whammy to Europe after the population losses of WWII. May all manner of socialists continue to lose support in Europe. And may we be lucky enough to ignore every social and political meme that has come out of the Fubar States of America the last 50 years and whatever poison they choose next.

about 1% in Germany (1)

BeeRockxs (782462) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244455)

With almost all votes counted, in Germany the Pirate Party is at 0.9% with 228.445 votes counted so far, with 2 precincts still to report their votes.

Are they a one-issue party? (3, Interesting)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244457)

Does the Pirate Party platform include issues besides copyright/privacy?

Re:Are they a one-issue party? (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244517)

Sorry about the dissonance between subject & content. That's already two issues.

Re:Are they a one-issue party? (5, Insightful)

alexhard (778254) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244557)

They also want to reform patent and trademark law, but that's it. However, the issues that they are dealing with, most importantly the right to privacy, are in my mind (and obviously many others) much more important than the issue of whether taxes should be at 31% or 32%.

Re:Are they a one-issue party? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244577)

I don't think so, and I don't really think the point of the pirate party is to be a continual party. Their point is to say A) Filesharing for personal use should be legal B) Give us our privacy C) Enough people care about this that they will elect people who are virtually unknown just so they don't have to be stuck with you. Eventually, they will get their goals if this keeps coming up, real debate on copyright and privacy. When that happens other parties will take their stances (and most will be pro-pirate) and so eventually the pirate party will become obsolete. It takes a few radicals to make change happen.

Re:Are they a one-issue party? (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244777)

Freedom of Information and Privacy are their stated goals, and that with regards to both online and offline activities.

So it's limited, but not nearly as limited as JUST copyright and patent reform.

Happy and very proud! (3, Insightful)

shaka (13165) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244463)

As a Swede, I am very proud that Sweden once again leads the way and is the first country to take an important issue seriously - wait until the next election and see Pirate Parties from countries all over Europe!

Grats to TPP! (1)

ekran (79740) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244477)

Grats to the pirate party!

Now, I wonder how they'll vote in not related cases? I mean, when things like economical issues or education or other stuff comes up, are they just going to abstain or are we going to see real politics being performed?

Re:Grats to TPP! (1)

alexhard (778254) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244571)

They plan to vote with their group, which is going to be either the liberals or the greens. Obviously this gives them some power: an additional vote for issues the group supports gives them some bargaining power.

Nice! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244483)

You can find the final official result here:
http://www.val.se/val/ep2009/valnatt/rike/index.html

The purple bar (PP) represent the privacy/piracy party, 7,1% will give them one seat in the European parliamen.

Pirate party for every country! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244505)

There was no pirate party in my country so I didn't vote at all.

Re:Pirate party for every country! (3, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244711)

In Europe though, you guys actually have a democratic system that lets you have more than the two government determined choices. There were plenty of parties that shared the Pirate Party agenda, at the very least you could have voted to block the lesser of the two evils like we have to do in the USA.

Re:Pirate party for every country! (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244805)

voted to block the lesser of the two evils like we have to do in the USA.

Finally, an American who'll admit it.

Arrr! (4, Interesting)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244521)

Great news! Unfortunately I couldn't vote for them, but just before the elections, I noticed that the number 4 candidate on the list of the Dutch party GroenLinks has practically the same ideas (and priorities) as the Pirate Party. I voted for him, but unfortunately GroenLinks only got 3 seats (which is still a pretty good result).

Of course these parties are still a tiny minority in the Europarliament, but if they can explain to their colleagues what's so wrong about current IP laws, they might end up having some very real impact.

Re:Arrr! (2, Interesting)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244893)

I noticed that the number 4 candidate on the list of the Dutch party GroenLinks has practically the same ideas (and priorities) as the Pirate Party. I voted for him, but unfortunately GroenLinks only got 3 seats (which is still a pretty good result).

Isn't GroenLinks part of a European coalition, though? That's the real question for the Pirate party as well: will they join a coalition? Because as a small party, their influence will be extremely limited, as they will have little time on the Floor of parliament, little access to funds for staff, and they will not be asked to sit in any of the committees that form the heart of the legislative side of Europe, together with the full-time lobbyists wining and dining these committees, of course. Their influence will pretty much be limited to voting Aye or Nay on stuff.

ps. I voted Libertas. I consider the other Dutch parties to be either pet projects of privileged but misguided hobbyists (most left/green parties), part of an established political nomenclatura looking for cushy pre-retirement jobs (most centre/right wing parties), or parties of raving lunies, and not of the funny or harmless variety (you can probably guess one such party, but there are two...). Color me cynical, but I don't think privacy and piracy are really European issues, and Europe as bigger fish to fry, such as transparancy and accountability of government, of which there is precious little currently.

Germany 0.9% for the Pirates (4, Informative)

prefec2 (875483) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244525)

You need to get at least 0.5% to get money from the state. approx 7 cent per vote. The total results can be found here: http://www.bundeswahlleiter.de/en/europawahlen/EU_BUND_09/ergebnisse/bundesergebnisse/b_tabelle_99.html [bundeswahlleiter.de]

Re:Germany 0.9% for the Pirates (3, Informative)

jps25 (1286898) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244783)

It's actually 0.85EUR per vote up to 4 million votes, and 0.70EUR per vote for any additional votes. Check paragraph 18 PartG

Pirate party is really Private party (5, Insightful)

Bjarne Bula (11937) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244531)

It should be noted that although they call themselves the Pirate party, the focus of the party is on questions of privacy and integrity. Issues where voters have been repeatedly ignored and even betrayed by the established parties.

While one of the laws recently shoved down voter's throats, despite promises to the contrary, have been aimed towards curbing piracy, the real outrage has been against the privacy and integrity issues with this and other recently passed laws regarding interception of domestic communications etc. (Well, that, and giving corporations the ability to petition courts to perform searches that, under similar conditions, would not be granted even to the police.)

They got one seat (4, Informative)

dastrike (458983) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244547)

The 7.1% the Pirate Party got gives them one seat. See http://www.val.se/val/ep2009/valnatt/rike/index.html [www.val.se]. It is incredibly unlikely that they'd get another one. Nearly all of the advance votes have already been counted.

The advance votes get sent to the polling station where one would have normally voted on and are counted as part of the normal counting process. See http://www.val.se/in_english/2009_ep_election/index.html [www.val.se]. Those advance votes that aren't counted yet are those advance votes that were placed on Sunday, which are relatively few given Sunday was the ordinary election day.

Anyhow the final count will be available on Wednesday.

I'm following the elections-2nd seat not likely :( (2, Interesting)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244581)

At the very beginning I was till hoping the good boys of PP will get the second seat, but by now it's very unlikely.

Still, good initial showing. Congrats! Now time to open a Finnish chapter, as well (we Finns and Swedes always like to argue, but in truth we are very similar).

And Democracy reins... not in the U. S. of A. (1, Flamebait)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244595)

We the people in the U.S. should be a bit ashamed of this in all we claim about ourselves on a regular basis. For those who are paying attention, we already know we have shifted over into "the Corporate States of America" bent on expanding to become "the Corporate States of Earth."

As far as copyright and intellectual property is concerned, I'll agree that there is a place for it, but it has exceeded its usefulness and purpose tremendously. It now harms the public, culture and future-history in its present form and should be balanced with the interests of the individual. We need a "Pirate Party" in the U.S... or at least a body like the EFF or ACLU or something like that. (NYCL? Is that your calling?)

Re:And Democracy reins... not in the U. S. of A. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244653)

only fucking ignorant hippies voted for the "free stuff!!!1111" party.
The US makes billions from digital products. Only a fucking retard thinks its a good think tot tosally fucking trash the value of the futrues major economic production.
When the dumbass hippies who voted for them have to go get a job, their popularity will crash to zero.

Re:And Democracy reins... not in the U. S. of A. (0, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244899)

It now harms the public, culture and future-history in its present form and should be balanced with the interests of the individual. We need a "Pirate Party" in the U.S... or at least a body like the EFF or ACLU or something like that. (NYCL? Is that your calling?)

Give an example of the "harm" it has done. Meanwhile, you're the one advocating not paying artists for their work, which is more harmful than Disney having the rights to friggin' Mickey Mouse. That you actually think something called the PIRATE party deserves a place in government is scary.

Face it. Copyright owners deserve to be able to make money off their work. If Disney works to get copyright extended, it's simply because the technology of entertainment has changed so that people still make money off of works from decades prior, and the laws have changed to accommodate it.

All you want is to get shit for free, like other Slashdotters. Nothing more, nothing less. Any arguments about freedom or economic harm are mental justifications you use in your mind so that you don't feel like a bad guy when you pirate somebody's hard work.

Great. Anti-swpat MEPs (2, Insightful)

H4x0r Jim Duggan (757476) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244611)

The Pirate Party have policies against software patents, so this is good news also in that respect.

Their voting weight will be small, but they can help make the group dynamics of the European Parliament more favourable to campaigners against software patents (much as the Greens did in 2002-2005, and still do).

More about the Swedish Pirate Party (5, Informative)

TorKlingberg (599697) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244639)

The Pirate Party has an English page here [piratpartiet.se] that describes the basics. It has gained a lot of support after they, together with bloggers etc, managed to drum up public opposition to a wiretapping law, a law forcing ISPs to store traffic data, new copyright enforcement laws and the Pirate Bay trial. It has been growing since 2006 and spreads internationally, but this is the first parliamentary seat.

Mutiny in the EU. (4, Insightful)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244651)

Woah... they went from 0 to 100kph in like 1 second. If I was the other parties i'd be taking notice. One seat probably isn't going to change much but it has been amazing to watch this whole thing unfold and the threat it all posses to the other parties if they don't stop taking money and order's from big business/brother...

The pirates like FOSS (5, Informative)

CHJacobsen (1183809) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244685)

It might be interesting for slashdotters to know that the top-candidate of the Pirate Party is a free-software contributor, and has been working a lot previously to establish open standards and to fight software patents.

Their success might turn out to be an asset for free software as well as integrity.

Like Communists (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244809)

Ugh. How horrible. It's like seeing the Communists placing in the EU elections. Neither of them understand basic economics.

Yawn. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28244819)

So they get one person. Maybe 2. Either way, they will be lucky to have any ability to do anything. Not that they can face up to the fact that the basis of their actions isn't privacy. It isn't legal reform. It's nothing more than greed on their part. Because you see, they're better than the other guy!

Arrogant pricks.

Arrrr! (1)

realnrh (1298639) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244891)

Whar be the swarthy sea-dogs in eyepatches and conical paper hats? 'Tis time to play Pin The Tail On The IP! And don't forget to trade the files on the USB sticks hidden in yer peg legs, me hearties!

Seems to me like people in Europe enjoy more freed (5, Insightful)

melted (227442) | more than 4 years ago | (#28244903)

Seems to me like people in Europe enjoy more freedoms than we do here in the US - the self proclaimed "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave".

That's what you get with a single party system, my friends. And no, this is not a typo - Dems and Repubs are pretty much the same party with minor variations. There's nowhere near the diversity of political opinion in the US as what you'd see in Europe. We need a raving, rabid, card carrying socialists to balance the equation somewhat on this side of the pond. All branches of the government have been licking the Big Business' behind for far too long.

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