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Chinese Government To Mandate PC Censorware

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the top-downers-score-a-point dept.

Censorship 189

An anonymous reader writes "The Chinese government has sponsored the development of a censorware package called 'Green Dam Youth Escort'; basically a PC-resident IP blocker that gets regular updates of banned sites from a central government site. There are now plans afoot to mandate that all new PCs sold in China be shipped with this software. The rationale behind this is to 'stop the poisoning of children's minds.'"

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Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249491)

basically a PC-resident IP blocker that gets regular updates of banned sites from a central government site.

That's not what I read in the article, I read that the founder of Jinhui Computer System Engineering (Mr. Zhang) said:

Mr Zhang said his company now compiles and maintains the list of blocked sites, which he says is currently limited to pornography sites. But the software makes it possible to restrict other sites.

So the company seems to be maintaining that list of sites ... if it's coming from the government why wouldn't they say? China hasn't been too shy of saying it's in control of other things. Why that level of abstraction unless the Chinese government just wants all computers to have the option of being green?

Interesting to note that might be blown out of proportion as it's unclear how this software works or if it's activated by default. The reason I say that is this line from the article:

the Green Dam software can be turned off if parents want to access blocked sites, and that the program can be uninstalled. Users who want to remove it need a password that they set when the software is installed, a precaution he said is aimed at preventing children from disabling the software.

And also:

The notice says the software must either be preinstalled on the hard drive or enclosed on a compact disc.

So it's ok if I burn this to a compact disc and include it with a netbook that has no compact disc drive? And I am not required to install that on the computer?

It seems that there are ways around this for both the producers and consumers and that this is just the trend of China being Nanny State China.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (0, Flamebait)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249509)

You understand what communism in any form is, right?

The state controls commerce and corporations.

Xinhua is a "private" news company... owned by the Chinese government. Its ingenious really, because "public" implies some sort of transparency. The Chinese government is very fond of the federal government privately owning corporations... you have the same level of control and no specter of transparency or oversight.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (3, Insightful)

Jawn98685 (687784) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249603)

You are confusing communism with some form (several, actually) of government. A common mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.

Anal Vapors Part 1 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249739)

by Drunken Bastard i.e. Brian Shanor

Dr. Jurkov, the world renowned gynecologist sat in his office examining the patient file he agreed to examine because he owed a nonsexual favor (for once) to his brother. This case interested him as they sat discussing it one day, and he decided to take the case just because he thought his brother was full of shit and misinterpreted the results of the tests. That was 6 weeks ago. Today, he believed the outrageous test results which were in front of him as he waited for the patient to show up for her appointment.

A few moments later, he was interrupted from his daydreams of young boy scouts by a knock on the door. His receptionist poked her head in.

" Doctor, your next appointment is in the waiting room."

"Yeah, the nasty bitch with the constipation problem. She's here for her test results. Send her in." As the receptionist went to get the patient, he reached into his pants and pulled a worm out of a festering sore on his penis. "Here comes your mother, you little bastard," he said and ate it with a flourish. He turned around as the nasty woman was shown in. "Good afternoon," he said and held out his hand to shake hers, but thought better of it when he saw her slick pus coated fingers. "Have you been scratching your herpes sores again? I thought we discussed that earlier."

"I'm sorry, doctor, but it felt so good. Uh, do you have my test results?" she asked as she started to lick her fingers. The doctor fought back the urge to help lick her fingers and her crotch, remembering that he actually gave her the disease during a previous appointment.

"Yes... And they are very interesting. Tell me, do you engage in anal intercourse?"

"Yes, especially with this itch."

"Hmmm. I see. Are you, by any chance, bisexual?"

"Yes I like to carpet munch."

"Were you engaging in cunnilingus and ingested menses?"

"Cunni.....what?"

"Carpet munching."

"Yes, and I pulled out a couple of bloody tampons before I started, but I ended up getting a mouthful of tomato paste."

"And you swallowed it?"

"Yes."

"And you took it in the rear and ate bloody fish within 48 hours of each other?"

"Yes. Does this have anything to do with this killer constipation?"

"Oh I think it explains your condition quite nicely. You see, you are pregnant. More precisely, you have a rectal pregnancy. You were impregnated up the anus. I've seen this in porno movies and medical journals before. That is why I had to ask you those questions. This will be the first bowel movement birth I have ever seen. You are going to have a bunghole baby."

"When?"

"Well, you're about 2 months along now. At 8 months, we can give you a laxative to induce labor. The constipation will get worse, but it will feel good to take a birth shit."

"Alright, doctor, I guess I'll see you in 2 weeks."

Six months passed. During this time, the woman came in regularly for examinations. The doctor stopped using his penis and started fisting her on his desk. When he examined her anus, he would trim back her hemorrhoidal tissue and take it home to cook and serve as ravioli. Gradually, his penile worm problem cleared up, but the festering sore remained, so he found a woman who would give him head and suck out all the rancid pus.

When the time to give birth approached, he met the woman as she was wheeled into the hospital. "Ah. So good to see you. How are you feeling?" he asked as he looked over her shit-bloated body.

"It hurts!!! Oh God, IT HUUURRRRTTSSSS!!!!!"

"There. There....There. There.... Nurse! Wheel her into the delivery room."

She was taken to a room, stripped, and bent over a table and strapped into that position. A nurse came and began feeding her bars of Ex Lax and started a Milk of Magnesia I.V. A bit later, the doctor came in to examine her. "Well, let's have a look and see wha....." He was horrified by what he saw. In front of him were two of the foulest bodily openings he had ever seen. One had a crackled pus crust which oozed a rotten smelling blood-streaked pus. This thick syrupy discharge ran down her legs and puddled on the floor. The other orifice was now dilated to three inches from the laxative. A thick curtain of regrown hemorrhoidal tissue partially obstructed the view. It hung down in tatters and had an apparent case of gangrene because the outer parts fell off in chunks at the slightest touch. "Either that's cottage cheese running out of there or you have a yeast infection." He swiped a sample with his finger and tasted. "Yeah, that's a yeast infection alright. Let's have a look in that anus." As he parted the hemorrhoids, a giant rectal room poked its head out at him. "Whoa! What do we have here? Come on out. Wow! That sucker must be 10 inches long. How do you taste?" he asked mainly to himself and bit in. "Hmmmmm. Not bad. These will probably make good fish bait. But if the fish don't like them, I think I'll keep some around to breed in my own rectum and snack on from time to time. Nurse! Collect all the worms you can and bring them to my office. It won't be long before the baby comes. Monitor her and come get me when its time."

"Yes, doctor."

The doctor went back to his office. A short time later, the nurse delivered a bed pan full of the giant rectal worms. He settled in for a worm snack, scotch, and some exciting times with a porno movie and his right hand. Events were just coming to a climax when a nurse came in.

"Doctor, you will go blind and get hair in the palm of your hand if you keep that up."

"That is only a myth. Want to join me?"

"Not today, but those worms do look good. Anyway, it is time for the baby."

"I'll be right there."

"And doctor?"

"What is it now?"

"You have worm pieces stuck in your teeth."

"Thank you. Now close the door on your way out."

Alone again, the doctor rewound the video to where it was before the interruption and finished what he started. Meanwhile, in the delivery room, everything was being made ready for the birth. Her tattered gangrenous hemorrhoids were thumbtacked to the table and Preparation H was applied liberally to her anus which was now dilated to eight inches. Suddenly, a tremendous fart pierced the air. The woman screamed and jerked convulsively and strained with all her might. The breakthrough birth had begun.

"Doctor, it has started," said a nurse as the doctor hurried in.

"Doctor!!!! Help me! It hurts!" shrieked the woman.

"Don't tell me your troubles," said the doctor. "Shit, woman, shit!." And the woman did just that. With a mighty strain she squeezed out another fart which shot runny, blood streaked shitfoam into the air and all over everyone. The cap of a huge turd poked its head out of her asshole.

"Ahh, here it comes," said the doctor. "Quick! Get over here with the camcorder."

With another mighty fart and scream, foam and gas penetrated every corner of the room. The turd poked out to almost halfway and began to slide slowly on its own. More worms fell out onto the floor.

"Quick, nurse! Get a pan and collect all the worms you can."

One more long agonizing scream, a final thunderous fart which shook the windows and covered everything completely with shitulate fudge, and the turd slid on out and fell to the floor. It broke apart, and a baby's cry pierced the fartgas infested air. The baby was covered with rectal worms and even had baby worms in its own rectum. After examination and a few licks, it was determined that the baby was a bouncing baby bunghole boy. The mother was left alone to finish her now raging bowel movement. A bounty of rectal worms swam about in the fecal pool.

Part 2

Anal Vapors Part 2 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249777)

Later that day, a nurse brought the baby to its mother.

"Is this the bastard that nearly killed me?" the woman whispered.

"Do you have a name for him?" the nurse asked.

"Due to the torture he gave me already, I am calling him Anal Vapors."

Hearing a knock, they looked toward the door. "Hello," said the doctor, "how are mother and little shit doing?"

"She named him Anal Vapors."

"Whatever. Did you...." The doctor stopped and watched with amazement as the women was overcome with a puking fit. As she convulsed spasmodically, foamy blood and mucus poured from her mouth and nose. The doctor walked over to the bed. "Are you all right? Hey there!" he said as he slapped her hard a few times. "Nurse, get Anus Boy out of here and then start a Pepto Bismol enema." However, before anything could be done, the mother convulsed a few more times and with a final heave of stomach contents, died. "Oh well," said the doctor. "I'm not giving her mouth-to-mouth, that's for sure. Too much laxative. She lost 85 pounds giving birth."

An hour later, in the office, the doctor and his receptionist were discussing the boy's fate. "The boy doesn't have any other family, doctor. His father was a drag queen and prostitute who died 3 months ago in a fight over a customer."

"What was his father's name?" asked the doctor.

"Stan the Stud."

"I knew him! I mean, we were acquainted. Oh well. What do I care? Send the little shit to an orphanage. Also, have his mother's body autopsied. I want all of her rectal worms. They are very tasty... to the fish, I mean."

After a week in the hospital, young Anal Vapors was sent to a nearby orphanage. He stayed there for 18 months until he was adopted by a young couple. With them, the boy had a normal, happy childhood until the age of 13. That was when his grandmother died and his grandfather came to live with them. At first, everything was fine. He taught the boy how to hunt, fish, make fart noises, and many other useful boyhood practices. Anal Vapor's mom got a job and left him with his grandfather during the day. During one of these days alone with grandpa, Anal Vapors' life was changed forever.

Anal Vapors was happily playing in the living room with his G.I. Joe toys when he heard Grandpa calling from his upstairs bedroom. "Boy!!!...Boy!!!...Come up here."

Anal Vapors dropped his toys and ran up to the old man's room thinking he had dropped his dentures in the toilet while taking a shit again. "What is it, Grandpa?" he asked breathlessly.

"Come here, boy. I've got an itch for you to scratch." Anal Vapors had scratched the old man's back before, so this did not seem unusual. He started to go around behind the man's wheelchair. "No. Not there. Here." He moved his lap quilt aside and Anal Vapors saw his penis standing up and pointing at him. "Just start scratching around the sack there, boy." Afraid not to do as he was told, the boy obeyed, much to the old man's delight. He groaned with pleasure and started kicking his left leg like a dog. "Aaaaaaaahhhhh! Much better. Now, boy, take off them pants and get on my lap. I'm going to show you a new game. It's called Pack the Shithole."

"I don't want to," said a terrified Anal Vapors.

"Shut up and do it, you simpering little shit, and don't make me tell you again." Reluctantly, Anal Vapors climbed onto the old man's lap. Grandpa grabbed him by the shoulders and picked him up. "That's better. Now, to play, we just do this." He then positioned his dick against the boy's anus and set him down, sliding in."

"Ow!!! It hurts! Stop!!!"

"It will the first few times. Now we move you up and down like you're on a horsey."

"No!! Please!! Stop!!"

"Aren't we having fun?" the old man asked. He moved Anal Vapors up and down faster and faster until finally, he pulled out and fired his wad up Anal Vapors' spine. "Not bad, for a virgin." He threw Anal Vapors onto the floor. "Get out of here, you dirty little shit." Anal Vapors went into his room where only the cold walls could hear his cries and witness his shame.

This began to occur daily. Anal Vapors dreaded to hear his grandpa calling for him. After a few weeks, he stopped going upstairs when nobody was home, but grandpa started tricking him by offering candy or saying he fell and couldn't get up. Soon afterward, the old man started molesting him with various objects, such as bananas, cucumbers, small furry animals, and his favorite item, a broomstick.

Finally, one day, Anal Vapors gathered the courage to confront the old man. "I'm telling mom and dad," he said.

"Go right ahead, boy. They already know. My reason for moving in was to get me some young boy meat." The old man began laughing when he saw Anal Vapors' look of surprise and then shame. As his laughs grew louder, Anal Vapors ran out of the room and took the only option he thought he had. He ran away, vowing to return someday and get his revenge.

Anal Vapors went south and eventually ended up in Mexico. He went there because he knew he would not be caught and returned home. In Mexico, he lived on the streets with other homeless children. And since by now he was accustomed to getting the occasional fudgepack, he started prostituting to support himself. Shortly afterward, he was forced to work for a pimp who beat him and molested him when he did not bring in enough money. After working all night, Anal Vapors was locked in a closet all day and given a diet of horse menses, maggots, and hemorrhoidal tissue trimmed from the anuses of other boys. He was tougher than any of the other kids, so he was the natural target for most of the abuse. He wished many times for death to come and relieve him from his nights and days of living hell.

Anal Vapors lived in these conditions until he was 17. By this time, he was so worn out that a baseball bat could be rammed into his bunghole with no discomfort. Also, he developed a severe case of hemorrhoids just like the other boys. So now, he was providing ass ravioli dinner for other boys. Customers began to complain and something had to be done. So one day, his pimp came up to him and knocked him down and then whipped out his dick and pissed all over Anal Vapors. "You useless piece of shit. You can't even satisfy a sheep any more. You are worthless. Get out of my sight'" he said before turning around and dropping a mushy turd onto Anal Vapors' chest.

And so Anal Vapors decided it was time to return home and give some paybacks and headed north. During his years of torment, the target of his hatred was an old man who showed him a new game. Now he was going to get even.

Part 3

Anal Vapors Part 3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249797)

Nobody from home would recognize Anal Vapors as the young nerd who ran away a few years earlier. His greasy seldom washed hair hung halfway down his back. His entire body bore the scars from cigarette burns, whiplashes, knife cuts, and other acts of abuse and torture. He had long dirty fingernails with which he would fondle customers and pick bugs out of peoples' and animals' anuses for food.

Anal Vapors lived off the land as he traveled. His favorite snack was bloodfilled ticks he pulled off the anuses of cattle, horses, and dogs. His best meal came when he found a pregnant cow. He killed her, split her open, and ate the calf fetus and placenta. He topped it off with a deep drink of amniotic fluid.

It took Anal Vapors two months to get home. He arrived at the outskirts of town late in the evening, so he decided to wait until the next day when the old man would be alone. He found a cow barn where he could spend the night. When he went inside, to his delight, he found a large pile of maggot infested afterbirth. After eating his fill, he entered a cow's stall and proceeded to eat her out. While he was doing this, the cow's period exploded into his face in a massive vaginal bloodfart. He wiped the dripping cow menses from his face with his hand and ate it. He then thoroughly licked all the blood from the cow and the stall. Then, completely satisfied, he found an empty stall and slept.

Early the next morning, Anal Vapors watched his parents leave for work. He saw them walk by a yellow ribbon tied around a tree and a sign which read, "We love you, son."

"How sweet," he said to himself. He thought about pulling the sign down and shitting on it but figured to use his shit buildup for better things.

A few minutes later, Anal Vapors was at the front door. He found the house key under the door mat and was quickly inside. "Honey! I'm home," he yelled. No answer. "Hey, you old shitstain, where are you?"

"Who's there? ... Who's there?" came from upstairs.

"You wanna learn a new game?" Anal Vapors asked as he began to climb the stairs.

"Who's there?... I... I have a gun."

"Sure you do ... And I'm going to cut it off and feed it to you." Anal Vapors reached the bedroom doorway and entered. The old man had not changed much. He looked a bit older, of course, but he still sat in that wheelchair with the same lap quilt which had become so familiar to one young boy.

"Who are you? Why are you in my house?" pleaded the old man.

Anal Vapors started toward the old man. "Don't you know me? You made me and its not your house.... Now scream."

"What?" the old man looked confused.

"SCREAM YOU CHUNK OF HORSESHIT!!!" Anal Vapors yelled in the old man's face. He reached over and slapped the old man twice.

"Help!!!! Heeeellllp!!!!!" the old man wailed.

"That's better," said Anal Vapors with a grin. "Now, shut up." He slapped the old man a few more times until the old man was quietly whimpering. "Now, we're going to play a game. It's called Tie the Old Man Up and Kill Him. You like that game?"

"Please," the old man begged. "Don't..."

"I said SHUT YOUR ANUSMOUTH, DUMB ASS!" Anal Vapors slapped him around for a few minutes and then stopped. "I think we'll start with some Pack the Shithole. I'll even use your favorite toy." Anal Vapors left the room momentarily. When he returned, he had the broomstick which his anus had come to know so well. He was going to enjoy this. "Let's play!" he said as he kicked over the wheelchair and shoved the old man onto his stomach. The old man protested loudly, but Anal Vapors didn't mind. In fact, the wails encouraged him. He pulled the old man's pants off and shoved the broomstick deeply into his rectum. Blood began to flow immediately around the broomstick. "You're a little tight, old shit, but I think I'll fix that." He started a rhythmic plunging of the broomstick and moved it faster and faster. After a few minutes, the broomstick broke off with a wet snap in the old man's rectum. "I hate when that happens," said Anal Vapors as he tossed the broken stick aside. "Oh well. Let's find some other games to play." Anal Vapors whipped out a straight razor and cut off the old man's penis. Then he popped out one of the old man's eyes and put it into his mouth. When he bit in, the eyeball made a soft popping sound and eye jelly ran out of Anal Vapors' mouth and onto his chin. When he was finished, he stuffed the detached penis into the empty eye socket. "Hmmmm. This is a fun game, and your eye tasted pretty good," he said and popped out the remaining eye and ate it. The old man's body jerked a few times and then was still. Mercifully, he was dead. Remembering that the old man had emphysema, Anal Vapors cut open his chest and ripped out his lungs and scooped out handfuls of thick brown bloodstreaked pus and ate it. After finishing, he peed on the body and started to leave, but when he got to the bedroom door, he turned around and looked at the remains. "I win," he said and laughed. He left the house never to return.

Part 4

Anal Vapors Part 4 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249839)

Anal Vapors disappeared into the mountains for a while until the old man's death blew over. He found a cave to live in and only left to find animals to molest and eat. Sometimes, at night, he went down to farms in the valleys and raped cattle and sheep. However, farmers began noticing that their animals were not acting normally. For example, some farmers reported that their cattle were afraid of the dark and long pointed objects. More mysterious was a sudden surge of pregnancies in cattle and sheep in the area. When calves and lambs with human features were born, a widespread scare went through the communities. Searches were made for aliens and other monsters which could explain the strange occurrences. However, no explanation was found because Anal Vapors stayed in the mountains away from search parties.

After several years of this isolated existence, Anal Vapors desired to reenter both society and human species. He was now an adult. He stood well over six feet tall and had a beard which was caked with blood and pus. His long greasy bugfilled hair hung down the entire length of his back, and his long dirty fingernails resembled claws. He began to move about the country, stopping in small towns for short periods of time. He would molest a few kids and pets and do various acts of torture on senior citizens for a couple of weeks at a time and then move on. Everywhere he went, he left a trail of mutilated sexually ravaged bodies and half eaten entrails.

His life had settled into a routine of sorts until one day, something completely unexpected occurred. Anal Vapors fell in love. During his travels, he had wound up in New York. He liked it there because he could rape and pillage in one part of town and walk freely just a few blocks away. On this day, Anal Vapors was walking around scanning for victims when he saw a woman. To him, she was a goddess. Her lumpy pear shaped figure set his heart and genitals on fire. Her hair was black and fully as long and nasty as his. But what definitely caught Anal Vapors' attention was her long dirty fingernails.

"There must be enough under them nails to eat for a week," he said to himself. "I must meet her." Anal Vapors built up a massive belch in his stomach before walking over to her and letting it fly into her face. Spit and food particles coated her now smiling face. He noted with delight that it tasted and smelled like the bloated maggot ridden dog he ate the night before. "Oh! Excuse me, lardbitch," he said with a wink.

"Not bad," she said while sniffing the air and licking the saliva soaked maggot particles from her lower lip. Then she melted his heart with her best rotten teeth smile and blew her breath into his face. Streaks of white ran through his beard as her dragon anus breath hit him. He thought he could smell a hint of afterbirth and hemorrhoidal tissue in that foul wind. She then spat a bloodstreaked lungcooky into her hand and let him eat it from her palm.

"Wow!" he said after finishing. "Who are you, wench?"

"My name is Genitalveve," she said. "Smells like you have a good case of crotch rot, Mr....."

"Vapors. Anal Vapors. And I do have some rotten flesh down there. I think I'm getting gangrene down there."

"Come over to my place and I'll see what I can do for it. And you can see what you can do for me." She took Anal Vapors by the arm and led him home. On the way, he sucked pus from a festering sore on a dog's anus and they shared it during a passionate kiss. When they came to her house, she led him in and pushed him onto the couch. "Wait here until I call for you," she said and then licked out one of his nostrils. So Anal Vapors sat on the couch admiring Genitalveve's kiddy porn paintings on the wall until she called, "Come here."

"Coming," he said. He took a long look at a painting of a boy being molested with a cucumber and then moved toward the bedroom. As he left the living room, his gaze rested on a broomstick standing in a corner. He pushed the bedroom door open and stopped.

"Well, what do you think?" Genitalveve inquired.

Anal Vapors was speechless. On the bed before him, Genitalveve was sprawled on her back. Her clothes were on the floor beside the bed with her menses and feces encrusted panties on top of the pile. Her legs were spread wide apart to reveal her foul vagina. Thick blackened blood oozed out and he counted five tampon strings dangling out. As he watched, a cockroach crawled out and fell onto the bed. He also noticed a cloud of gnats swarming around her rancid crotch. The putrid stench that greeted Anal Vapors' nose made his eyes water and he would notice later that his hair had turned completely white. Only after several days in the fresh air would his hair color return. He then noticed a sign on the wall. "A fart is the cry of an imprisoned turd," he read. "Hmmm. Not bad. So what does the stink that comes from you in waves cry?"

"It means I want you. Tie me up and gore me." She had a look of pure lust on her face.

"Might as well," Anal Vapors said while watching another cockroach fall out her pustulant pussy. "Looks like all types of man and beast have." He went over to her and tied her hands and feet to the bedposts with nylon cord. Her stench was drawing him to her like a magnet.

"Let me have a look at your dick before you use it, stallion," she whispered.

Anal Vapors dropped his pants and showed her his penis which was bent to one side and covered with scars from numerous cuts and burns. When she got her first look at it, she burst out with uncontrollable laughter. "What did you do? Stick it in a blender?" she said and shrieked with more laughter.

Anal Vapors smiled a little and said, "Yeah, I guess it is a little battle scarred." He crawled onto the bed and squatted over her face. "Stick your tongue up my ass, baby."

"Why?" she asked with some more laughter.

"Do it and I'll give you a surprise,' he said. So, she stuck her tongue as far as she could into his asshole. She could feel a worm crawl alongside her tongue and she tasted hemorrhoidal tissue. She barely overcame the temptation to bite in. "OK, here goes," said Anal Vapors. In a flash, he squeezed his anus tight and stood up, ripping her tongue out by the roots. She tried to scream, but all that came out was a bloody gurgle. Anal Vapors walked off the bed with her bloody mass of a tongue still sticking out of his anus. Upon reaching the floor, he pulled the tongue out of his ass and showed it to her. "No one laughs at me, bitch," he snarled while shaking the tongue. She could only answer with more gurgles. As she watched with horror, Anal Vapors ate her tongue. When he was finished, he put on his pants and left the room. He knew what he had to do.

Anal Vapors grabbed the broomstick he had seen earlier and examined it. He quickly decided that it was not suitable for the task he had in mind, but it would be with a few improvements. Through a window, he saw a shed in back which could contain what he was looking for. He went out to the shed and he did find what he needed. He glued some of the coarsest sandpaper he could find around the end of the broomstick and then soaked that end in kerosene. "Now, let's see if she can put out this flame," he said and laughed. He returned to the bedroom to find Genitalveve motionless. At first, he thought she was dead already, but soon discovered that she had only fainted from shock. He took out a match and lit the broomstick. It caught with a loud "POOOOOFFFFFF". Anal Vapors shook her gently. "Wake up, darling. Look what I've got for you." He listened with some satisfaction to her attempted shrieks coming out as bloody gasps for air. "Oh. You're welcome, dear, but don't thank me until it's over."

Anal Vapors viciously raped her with the fiery broomstick. The cruel flame reflected in his dark eyes, and for the first time in a very long time, he was happy. He continued his nasty work until she died and for a long time afterward. After finishing with her, Anal Vapors peed on the body to put out the flames and left. He vowed never to love anyone again. Only his special broomstick could bring him happiness and peace of mind.

Anal Vapors began roaming the countryside and claiming victims with his new weapon of anal destruction. He found a secluded house, broomsticked the owner and family, and called it home. He set up a torture chamber in the basement and started bringing his victims there so he could take his time with each one.

Anal Vapors was truly happy these days. As he stood on the porch watching the sunset, he realized that this was the lifestyle to which he was called. He had a victim tied up downstairs ready to go, and he was deciding what to do to her. Finally, he decided he would pull her nipples off with a pair of pliers and eat them in front of her for a start. Then he would pull all her hair out and shit on her bald raw head. Then, the broomstick would finish the job. He turned, went in, grabbed a pair of pliers, and headed downstairs to fulfill his destiny.
END OF BOOK I ...

Book 2, Part 1

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (2, Informative)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249899)

Right. The term he wants is "state socialism".

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250173)

"The state controls commerce and corporations" is not the core idea of socialism. The core idea is "power to the people"; state control just inevitably follows from such ideals.

On the other hand, socialist ideals dictate that the state and the people should be as near the same thing as they can reasonably get, which hasn't really ever been properly implemented in any country loudly proclaiming itself socialist.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250513)

What!? I thought everything was black and white, we were good and they were evil, capitalism prevails and communism fails. Oh no wait I wasn't born in the states.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (4, Insightful)

wisty (1335733) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250789)

Socialism is state owned "means of production" - the state owns the industry.

Communism is the next logical step - everything is communally owned.

"Power to the people" is not exclusive to Marxism. It's also in most humanist systems. Democracy is "political power to the people", and it predates Marx by quite a few years. Epicurus and a number of other Greeks had some thoughts on it as well. Lots of Renaissance thinkers, Luther (who broke away from the Catholic church, in part to bring religious power to the people), and quite a few others.

Libertarians and Ayn Randists will also declare that their goal is "power to the people", and they aren't communists by any stretch of the imagination.

"Power to the people through the common ownership of economic assets" is communism. But of course, everyone wants to take the moral high ground and say they are the only one standing up for the little man. "Power to Big Brother" is never a popular meme (unless Big Brother is portrayed as the lessor of two evils).

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (3, Insightful)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251507)

Libertarians and Ayn Randists will also declare that their goal is "power to the people", and they aren't communists by any stretch of the imagination.

Their "power to the people" is just a demagogic smokescreen to hide the fact that, like any right-wing political party, they really mean " power to the more powerful people/croporations ", which has been the norm for unevolved societies throughout History.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250985)

Actually, the correct term was state capitalism and is "mixed state/private capitalism". The economic mode is that of accruing capital by investment, then producing commodities to gain more capital. And nowadays its no longer necessary to be a part of the state to perform that function either. It helps ofcourse, just as in every capitalist country.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (-1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249691)

Communism is when everyone on the farm gets to eat the food. Typically, everyone on the farm helps to grow it too. That's communism.

Sometimes Dad makes the decisions about what the plan will be, sometimes the wise old tribal elder makes the decisions about what the plan will be, sometimes the guy with the biggest stick makes the decisions about what the plan will be, sometimes everyone raises their hand and decides together what the plan will be. But that's politics.

If you want transparency and equality, you need to keep the communism, but get the political situation to one where everyone is raising their hands.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249701)

I'm not going to debate the merits of Communism here... that's a recipie for disaster. Suffice to say that I am limitting myself to actual circumstances as they exist and affect the topics which we are discussing.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (5, Insightful)

eugene2k (1213062) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249971)

Communism doesn't exist in China, nor did it ever exist in any of the communist-controlled states past or present. What you called communism is actually authoritarianism [wikipedia.org] . And this is not the merits of communism that are discussed, it is in fact the actual circumstances.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (2, Insightful)

Evil Shabazz (937088) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250691)

Communism doesn't exist in China, nor did it ever exist in any of the communist-controlled states past or present. What you called communism is actually authoritarianism [wikipedia.org] . And this is not the merits of communism that are discussed, it is in fact the actual circumstances.

"Highly concentrated and centralized power structures," in which political power is generated and maintained by a "repressive system that excludes potential challengers" and uses political parties and mass organizations to "mobilize people around the goals of the government"

Gee, that sounds suspiciously like the USA?

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (-1, Flamebait)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249973)

I'm not going to debate the merits of Communism here... that's a recipie for disaster. Suffice to say that I am limitting myself to actual circumstances as they exist and affect the topics which we are discussing.

The actual circumstances are, you're a bastard step child who is being fed by the commune but isn't doing any work who likes to hang around behind the shed scheming and smoking cigarettes.

When you stop sucking on the teat of the Communist and Socialist countries who are actually making everything that keeps you alive and take responsibility for yourself, then you can start dissing their social systems. Until you do, you're a hypocritical blowhard.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (4, Insightful)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250045)

I'm confused why you're attacking me personally. The point I am making is very simple and accurate, no matter how you attempt to change the topic: No private corporation in China does anything without the express blessing of the Chinese government. This is relevant as it pertains to a private company maintaining their censorware, and I have no interest in discussing the Chinese social system with you beyond that, because I don't feel like having people attack me for having a different point of view than them today.

I am making a factual observation, not a value judgement.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (3, Interesting)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250349)

There are people who mistake their beliefs for who they are. This is, in my view, understandable when those beliefs surround an ethical system that they act on, but sorely mistaken when it's something to do with something they have nothing to do with, e.g., who is going to win the Stanley Cup or the World Cup, or the state of the political system in a country they don't belong to, nevermind participate in. There's no "objective" anything to these folks, don't waste your time.

Then there are just trolls. These people like telling you things on the internet that they'd never say to you in person. They probably got beat up on the playground a lot. Don't feed them.

This has been a public service announcement, paid for by ... hell, I wish I was getting paid for this. *sigh*

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (4, Insightful)

HisMother (413313) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250379)

No private corporation in China does anything without the express blessing of the Chinese government.

This is quite different from the system in the US, in which the government does nothing without the express blessing of a private corporation.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (3, Insightful)

howardd21 (1001567) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251265)

What you say sounds kind of witty, but really? Is that true? Would Chrysler agree with you? How about the banks that did not want the TARP funds in the first place, want to pay back the TARP funds, but the government said no. As long as these companies are tied to any government funding, and in many cases there has been plenty to say they have no choice but do so, the government is telling them what to do. We call that regulation, and it is on the increase.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (1, Flamebait)

jandersen (462034) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251403)

No private corporation in China does anything without the express blessing of the Chinese government.

For a statement as sweeping as that I think you should provide some solid sources; in my experience what you say is not true. Of course, if one were to take your words to the extreme, they would imply that people in private corporations in China need to get explicit permission to go and get a new piece of paper or go to toilet. But even if we read more permissively it just doesn't add up to what I have experienced. I would say in some cases private companies actually have more freedom than in Europe or America - it certainly seems to be easier to go and build a new factory in China than in most places in Europe. In other cases there are more restrictions, but all in all it isn't all that different from the West - the usual picture of the Chinese state having total and direct control over everything is just silly, 'cos they don't.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (5, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249885)

You understand what communism in any form is, right?

The state controls commerce and corporations.

You don't understand what communism is. What you describe is socialism.

Communism is where the means of production are owned by the state. In socialism, the means of production are controlled (regulated) by the state. What China has is not actually communism, it's socialism.

Capitalism is where the free market regulates itself, with limited controls by the government.

Most industrial societies, China, the U.S. and the E.U. included, are actually hybrids between capitalism and socialism, the main differences revolving around how much the system leans towards capitalism vs. socialism.

BTW, the U.S. hasn't had true capitalism since the 1930s.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (4, Interesting)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250015)

It seems people here can't understand the difference between reality and sophism.

The only true examples of Marx's Communism I can think of are certain tribes of Native Americans. And I never said the US has true capitalism, nor that China is true Communism.

People here jump at the opportunity to tell someone how simplified their argument is, instead of actually considering the content of the argument itself. I guess that's common among all us nerds though.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (1)

introspekt.i (1233118) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250383)

It seems people here can't understand the difference between reality and sophism.

Slashdot != Reality

People here jump at the opportunity to tell someone how simplified their argument is, instead of actually considering the content of the argument itself. I guess that's common among all us nerds though.

It's just more fun being contradictory. Where's the sport in simply agreeing with what you're saying?

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250525)

Where's the sport in simply agreeing with what you're saying?

Well I don't agree with that.

(Is praying for the +1 Funny mods.... ) ;)

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (1)

oreaq (817314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251283)

The state controls commerce and corporations.

You don't understand what communism is. What you describe is socialism.

Actually no. I mean it can be socialism but it can also be communism or mercantilism or fascism or something completely different.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (4, Informative)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249903)

You understand what communism in any form is, right? The state controls commerce and corporations.

Actually, no. Marx's Communism is an economic model that gives workers control over their "labor value"; rather than allow capitalists to buy labor (via wages) and make a profit on the difference between inputs costs and output revenue. Central control is not a necessary tenant for that; a commune would be a more realistic model for a Marxian society.

Amongst communism's many failings was that it was used as a guise to assert state control over a population. Political leaders repalced capitalists as the decision making body.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (2, Interesting)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250537)

More detailed:

In capitalism, worker is basically supplier company with contract that gives it certain privileges. Wage is just payment for his services.

In communism, worker owns share in company and invests to it with his work. His wage is share of profit.

Pretty much anyone who owns shares of company he works in can be considered communist :)

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251397)

Pretty much anyone who owns shares of company he works in can be considered communist :)

When it's inclusive of all people in the society, it's a communist economy. When it's exclusive and acts to increase power for its members by increasing its share at the expense of other people in the society, it's a conspiracy to disenfranchise others. But your understanding is a lot closer to reality than most.

Let the UN run the internet (0, Offtopic)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250201)

If ICANN ever give up "control" of the internet, so to speak, and they give it to the UN (useless nations), then it will be like that every where. People have become sheep, we give up our freedoms for (so called) security. Look at the patriot act. I'm a law and order type of person, but ANYTHING the government does that takes away my rights scares the crap out of me. We already have thought police.......what do you think political correctness is about? Can't speak your mind anymore, might offend someone. We've been lead down this path, and, unfortunately, I don't think we can recover. 1984 is here, it just took a few more decades to come to be.

Re:Nanny State Cat Accepts Nanny State (3, Insightful)

unlametheweak (1102159) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250567)

You said;

It seems that there are ways around this for both the producers and consumers and that this is just the trend of China being Nanny State China.

This is a very major problem. I don't know why you used the word just. This is a very disturbing trend that started with the Great Firewall of China.

It's sad and pathetic that foreign governments don't mind this censorship as long as it coincides with their own politically correct tastes:

...says a foreign industry official familiar with the plan. "I don't think anyone would oppose the (government's) stated objective" of blocking pornographic and violent content, "but people are really concerned about the way it's being implemented," he said.

Like the article you posted earlier on "rape-ware" games, it appears that people are more than willing to censor if there are scape-goat exceptions in the witch-hunting memes of their censorship. Of course all of these political organizations (like The Ethics Organization of Computer Software) are unethical. It will always be easy to spot morally dubious political groups, because their calling card will be children, and their bandwagon will be the Moral Majority.

Chinese hackers to mandate leet speak (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249493)

It figures that chinese dissidents will still be able to get around censorship filters for a while before the communist regime learns how most basic filters can be dodged with search terms like "pr0n" and "1337 h4xx0rz".

Re:Chinese hackers to mandate leet speak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249527)

It figures that chinese dissidents will still be able to get around censorship filters for a while before the communist regime learns how most basic filters can be dodged with search terms like "pr0n" and "1337 h4xx0rz".

I am sorry, but I cannot help but think that a search for "pr0n" and "1337 h4xx0rz" would come up with a list of images that would probably result in gouging my own eyes out. It is simply not tempting in the least.

Re:Chinese hackers to mandate leet speak (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249535)

It figures that chinese dissidents will still be able to get around censorship filters for a while before the communist regime learns how most basic filters can be dodged with search terms like "pr0n" and "1337 h4xx0rz".

No. Chinese "dissidents" looking to remove this filter need only uninstall it or disable it with the password they set when the software is installed.

I don't think you understand how this software works in even the most basic sense, it bans IPs. It doesn't ban searches for terms spelled correctly or incorrectly, it bans IPs. The hackers can call their sites whatever they want. They will just be added to the list of numbers sooner or later anyway. The best thing they could do to avoid being on the list is just continually change their IP addresses.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, to learn of Chinese kids implementing proxies on machines without the software to access whatever they want.

Re:Chinese hackers to mandate leet speak (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250033)

Or the chinese government could just mandate TPM and make it technologically impossible to bypass...

They probably already make it a serious offense to disable it anyway.

Re:Chinese hackers to mandate leet speak (1)

fedcb22 (1215744) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250357)

That's right, I guess they're just going to mandate that the millions of computers that don't have TPM on disappear. Oh, and it's not technologically impossible to bypass either. It may be very difficult, but when it comes down to it, you still have the keys.

Old news (3, Funny)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249503)

This was news back in 1984.

Re:Old news (4, Interesting)

Quantumstate (1295210) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249989)

My school has a website blocking system and interestingly enough they have blocked the wikipedia page on 1984 (Both the year and the novel). The IT technician apparently hadn't read the book so he rather missed the situation when we mentioned it.

Re:Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250193)

+1 ironic

Meh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250247)

That is what I would call utter and complete human failure. Just as the uneducated will assume government run healthcare is good because that's all they've been told. Education and knowledge is your only weapon against the tyranny. Know your history, people -- Especially now that the prophecies of a tyrannical government is becomming a reality today.

Re:Meh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250931)

Government run healthcare can be good. Come on over to Europe some day and try it out, you'll like it.

Count down to a hack around it in... (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249511)

3 .... 2.... 1....

Seriously, isn't this like the dutch boy with his finger in the dike (no, not dyke, get yer minds outta the gutter).

What I mean is that many forms of DRM are hacked within days or weeks of release. I cannot imagine a concerted effort of Chinese hackers or those in sympathy with the Chinese people, would not be able to bypass this and publish, even via sneakernet, a hack around it.

Re:Count down to a hack around it in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249659)

"The Chinese government has sponsored the development of a censorware package called 'Green Dam Youth Escort';

So every PC is being shipped with a Youth Escort Service?

Re:Count down to a hack around it in... (5, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249751)

I cannot imagine a concerted effort of Chinese hackers or those in sympathy with the Chinese people

As I wrote in another comment here, I suspect the Chinese people are generally in favour of censorship. Though people in the West may want to paint the Chinese masses as a suffering people yearning to break free of the yoke of oppressive government, such a portrayal may not stand up to facts. Indeed, just last week in the International Herald Tribune (the international version of the New York Times) there was an article about how Chinese students nowadays think Tiananmen-square style civic commitment needs to be nipped in the bud, because it would threaten China's economic development that is making them very happy.

Re:Count down to a hack around it in... (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250807)

Though people in the West may want to paint the Chinese masses as a suffering people yearning to break free of the yoke of oppressive government, such a portrayal may not stand up to facts. Indeed, just last week in the International Herald Tribune (the international version of the New York Times) there was an article about how Chinese students nowadays think Tiananmen-square style civic commitment needs to be nipped in the bud, because it would threaten China's economic development that is making them very happy.

That's pretty much true everywhere - as long as people feel they're getting their share and not directly repressed they pretty much don't care what type of government they have.

Re:Count down to a hack around it in... (4, Insightful)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251219)

As far as I've heard, the sentiment in China is that democracy is too weak and leads to civil unrest, so the authoritarian rule is accepted as a needed form of government. I completely agree with you that the average Chinese person is content without democracy or what we see as basic rights. I am afraid, though, that the comparison in their mind is a choice of a stable authoritarian rule, or an unstable democracy. I would be curious what the general opinion would be if they were guaranteed equal stability with either form of government.

Re:Count down to a hack around it in... (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249939)

The Chinese government has long since figured out that it doesn't matter if a tiny number of geeks can get around their censorship as long as they can impose it on most of the population. And they can and do.

Re:Count down to a hack around it in... (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251287)

A hack around it? How about clicking 'Uninstall' - it has that feature, you know.

I'm not sure if I'm cynical... (1)

Engeekneer (1564917) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249515)

..but I kind of expect this from the Chinese government already. I also doubt it stops at blocking IP addesses. It'll be interesting to hear what people really find the sofware doing.

Can't be expected to change much (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249519)

I imagine things will stay pretty much the same as they always have, even if the censorship is moving from the Great Firewall of China to the PC. Before, if you were an expat or a clued-up local, you would just install Tor on your PC. Now you would just wipe the hard drive and install your OS of choice from a trustworthy CD. The Chinese government can be happy that the vast majority of people will not seek to get around the blocks, and the intelligentsia will find it easy to get the information they want. It seems like a win for both sides.

I would caution, however, against vilifying China too much in this regard. Even much of the Chinese intelligentsia believes that their country needs a brutal government to avoid total chaos. Often the very Chinese you think would be rebelling against measures like this--people who read foreign news and travel or even reside abroad--think it necessary for the health of their country. Moments like this do lead one to question if American notions of freedom are truly applicable to every country.

Re:Can't be expected to change much (2, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249599)

This is just more bullshit "orders from the top" that won't affect anything.

I bought a laptop from a large, reputable chain and after handing over the cash they still whipped out the white-label CDR with sharpie written "Windows XP Chinese edition".
Had to decline because it would have been a serious waste of 45 min.

Re:Can't be expected to change much (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250839)

I would caution, however, against vilifying China too much in this regard. Even much of the Chinese intelligentsia believes that their country needs a brutal government to avoid total chaos. Often the very Chinese you think would be rebelling against measures like this--people who read foreign news and travel or even reside abroad--think it necessary for the health of their country. Moments like this do lead one to question if American notions of freedom are truly applicable to every country.

If you don't subscribe to the idea that China is one monolithic country but rather a collection of differing groups bound together by a strong central government (such as the old USSR); then the "chaos" would be a natural breakup into separate nations.

Re:Can't be expected to change much (1)

imgod2u (812837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251453)

The U.S. notion of freedom doesn't even apply to the U.S. See Patriot Act and the recent changes to FISA. See the DMCA. See the Bush (and now Obama) administration.

While I truly believe in the ideals of democracy and civil rights, there have always been times when practicality has been opposed to it. Of course, an authoritarian government cannot sustain itself (see USSR, China pre-capitalist expansion, Cuba, etc.) economically, so eventually the government will have to let the reigns loose if it wants to preserve the country in the global scheme of things.

But does it run on Linux (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249545)

...or that means Linux is officially banned in China

Re:But does it run on Linux (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249731)

you could just have a Linux box on the same network as the filtered windows box. really if they wanted it to be more effective they should have put it in the rou.. shit i need to stop giving those chinese bastards ideas

Re:But does it run on Linux (1)

FrostDust (1009075) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249733)

Ever heard of Red Flag Linux? I'd expect them to they eventually made it compatible, or even have it pre-installed.

Does it run BSD? It better! (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250553)

After all, what's more left-wing than Berkeley? *joke*

a BIOS modification (1)

itsthebin (725864) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249553)

I doubt it.

only runs on windows - probably

another bottom feeder trying to get a juicy govt contract - probably

will it work - of course not

Haha, this silliness reminds me of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249567)

the amish computer virus...

Please don't click this link: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/4199/virus.html [geocities.com]

Don't say I didn't warn you!

'stop the poisoning of children's minds' (1)

sdnoob (917382) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249571)

There's only one way to do that, and installing censorware on every PC in the country *isn't* it.

Re:'stop the poisoning of children's minds' (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249675)

Cleaning up their Industry might help.

Re:'stop the poisoning of children's minds' (2, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249771)

Well, it's their fault. If they'd just lend us more money, we could afford to "pay" them more for their products, and then they could spend "our" money on cleaning up their processes.

Re:'stop the poisoning of children's minds' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250171)

Ha ha ha ha ha! [goldnewswire.net]

--Peking University student

Re:'stop the poisoning of children's minds' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249805)

There's only one way to do that, and installing censorware on every PC in the country *isn't* it.

Ideal for implementation in the UK then, I can see NuLabour drooling over this tech already!

More propaganda (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249575)

Maybe it's just me but it seems like there is around-the-clock negative news coverage of China from western media outlets. When was the last time you read a positive news article about China? I think we feed our people just as much propaganda as the Chinese government does, if not more.

Re:More propaganda (2, Informative)

moz25 (262020) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249957)

Yes, it's just you. You are not pointing out factual errors in the article, just complaining that there is a report of something you apparently agree is rather negative. How about complaining that the unelected politicians over there commit to this behavior?

Exactly why are you trying to compare China with the free(er) world? They are entirely different situations when it comes to control of information. The very fact that you can say "wow, this is all propaganda" without fearing that knock on your door already contradicts what you're trying to say.

The Chinese government has an elaborate system in place to *control* which news media its citizens may get their information from. Criticize the state and your site gets blocked. With some bad luck, you personally get blocked as well.

We on the other hand, can consult any news media we like. Some choose to consult the likes of Fox News, which seems to have 24/7 negative reporting on the US government (i.e. Obama). Now we may see that as pure propaganda, but we are still free to make up our minds on our own terms and *without* government intervention.

Re:More propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250723)

When was the last time you read a positive news article about China?

Every single weeknight, without fail. On Bloomberg.

I don't know who's the bigger idiot: you or the two schmucks who modded you up.

E-rate (1)

AMSmith42 (60300) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249585)

And I thought e-rate was bad. At least this kind of filtering in the U.S. is only mandated in the elementary schools and public libraries... so far.

Re:E-rate (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250571)

> And I thought e-rate was bad. At least this kind of filtering in the U.S. is only
> mandated in the elementary schools and public libraries...

Only ones that get Federal money (which is almost all, unfortunately)

> ...so far.

Look up the "Child Online Protection Act". The Supreme Court killed it.

Censore Malware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249617)

Did anyone else read this as "Chinese Government to Censor Malware" the first time around?

Kind of disturbing... (5, Interesting)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249623)

China is the country that the USA keeps borrowing money from...wonder how long it will be before we start noticing some policy changes to our internet? What would the US government do if the Chinese government demanded we censor our internet the same way they are, or they won't let us borrow anymore money?

A slippery slope, indeed.

Re:Kind of disturbing... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249721)

China is caught in a trap where the US is concerned. They own so much of our debt that they cannot afford to take actions that would harm our economy. Whenever our government feels like deficit spending, China throws good money after bad trying to protect their considerable investment. I'm constantly amazed at how okay our elected officials are with this arrangement since it will eventually lead to an economic catastrophe for both countries. The mindset always seems to be that it's a problem the next generation of politicians will have to deal with.

Re:Kind of disturbing... (1)

patro (104336) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249737)

What would the US government do if the Chinese government demanded we censor our internet the same way they are, or they won't let us borrow anymore money?

A slippery slope, indeed.

If they don't let the US borrow more money then the US won't be able to pay interest for the existing debts, so that's a double edged sword.

Re:Kind of disturbing... (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249767)

You could do the same as Pirate Bay. USA here -> o , China over there -------> O. My laws here, yours there.

Re:Kind of disturbing... (1)

castironpigeon (1056188) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249815)

Meh. China doesn't sponsor US politicians. Corporations do. China doesn't legitimize their positions. US citizens do. So how would China influence US policy? They wouldn't. And besides there are worse influences here at home to worry about.

Re:Kind of disturbing... (1)

SDF-7 (556604) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250859)

Given this [wikipedia.org] and especially this [washingtonpost.com] you might want to rethink that statement.

Re:Kind of disturbing... (2, Interesting)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249951)

China is the country that the USA keeps borrowing money from...wonder how long it will be before we start noticing some policy changes to our internet? What would the US government do if the Chinese government demanded we censor our internet the same way they are, or they won't let us borrow anymore money?

A slippery slope, indeed.

In the end, the political calculus is:

Which side is willing to endure the most pain?

The US could just as easily refuse to honor the Chinese debt; or massively devalue the dollar and wipe it out. Not good options, but both sides have power in this situation.

Doesn't quite work like that (5, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250181)

You have to understand that at the level of nations, money doesn't work the same way as it does on an individual level. A more accurate statement is that the US is selling securities to China, not that China is lending money to the US. While there are similarities, there are differences too.

One difference is that the US will sell securities to anyone interested, they are sold on an open market. It isn't a case of them going to China and saying "Please buy our treasury notes." Rather the notes are offered for sale, and anyone who wants them can buy them.

So, what happens if China stops buying? Well then the government is going to have to raise interest rates on their securities to keep them moving. The higher the interest the, well higher the amount of interested parties. That would mean the US would have to pay out more money ultimately, but it isn't as though it isn't a legit option. China isn't the only buyer out there, they aren't even the biggest buyer (the US government itself holds the most government debt almost 50%, US mutual funds follow after that is China). So while the loss of China as a buyer would necessitate either selling less (meaning cutting spending or raising taxes) or increasing the yield, it wouldn't lead to the securities stopping.

Then you have the other factor that these securities only have value because the US government says they do. They are a promise to pay sort of thing. The specifics vary (like if they pay periodic interest or a lump sum) but the general idea is it is just the government saying "We promise to pay you this many US dollars at a given time." That also means the government has the power to not pay. Now doing so arbitrarily would have severe repercussions, however in the event of China attempting to directly force changes in US law, well then it might not. Basically if the US can find a justification that makes the rest of its large note holders (like Japan, who is right after China) happy, then maybe they can freeze or null China's holdings. China attempts to force the US to adopt unconstitutional laws, threatening economic attack, the US responds in kind with an economic attack.

Thus China can't just take the "You do as I say or I screw you," attitude, because the US has the ability to screw them too. Those securities are good only so long as the US government decides they are.

Finally there's always the possibility of large scale, possibly hyper, inflation. All the US securities are payable in US dollars. So, the US lacks the dollars to pay? Well they just print more dollars. That again has consequences, see Zimbabwe for what extreme hyperinflation does. However, it is an option if backed in to a corner and more so in the US since the US dollar is the world's reserve currency. This would also screw China over since as there are more dollars out there, each is worth less thus their securities are worth less. If you have a note that pays 5% per year for 10 years, and there's 20% per year inflation for those 10 years, you lost a lot of money on that instrument.

What I'm getting at is that it isn't a simple situation. It isn't like you walking to the bank and asking for a loan. The US doesn't go to China begging for cash. China buys US debt for various reasons, not the least of which that so far it has been an extremely safe investment (the US has never defaulted on payment). They might stop buying as much, or buying any, if they feel it doesn't make economic sense, but trying to use it to threaten political change would be a really bad idea. They could easily find themselves with a bunch of worthless paper on their hands.

Re:Doesn't quite work like that (1)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250403)

While it is different, and they do actually buy securities, they are doing some pure "lending" too, in addition to buying up our national debt and other shady stuff.

"China is the single largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasurys. The money it lends to the Feds finances our significant budget deficits. (Americans have been paying about $450 billion a year in interest on the national credit card; without that debt to pay off, personal income taxes could be almost 40 percent lower." CBS Article [cbsnews.com]

Re:Doesn't quite work like that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250849)

What you said is partly true. Actually China prefer not to buy U.S. bonds, which are not that profitable since U.S. dollar is becoming cheaper. China has a lot of other better choices.

Re:Doesn't quite work like that (1)

KudyardRipling (1063612) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251305)

China attempts to force the US to adopt unconstitutional laws, threatening economic attack, the US responds in kind with an economic attack...They might stop buying as much, or buying any, if they feel it doesn't make economic sense, but trying to use it to threaten political change would be a really bad idea. They could easily find themselves with a bunch of worthless paper on their hands.

Perhaps it is high time to consider every take out establishment as a front for PRC interests. I guess we'll all starve then...

another great way of stealing people's money (1)

Pharago (1197161) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249699)

i wouldn't be surprised if there were some monetary ties between some government officials and those licensing the software, read:corruption they make a program and pass a law so that everybody must use it, now they charge the government who pays a hefty amount of money that comes from taxes, and a new bussiness is made, i wonder how much money are we talking here

Paedophiles and terrorists? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249705)

Do I need to say more? The sickos who object to this kind of responsible internets management should be thrown in jail

It could be a good thing (3, Informative)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249755)

You could argue that it looks like a government solution for PC security. Yes, it can be abused, but if you implement it properly with the consent of the user I don't see any problem with it.

Anyway, isn't easier to create this filter on ISP level? Like a security package that you can choose.

Of course the devil is in the details, but there is no reason to start bashing China for this type of approach.

Re:It could be a good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250605)

it seems you know NOTHING about China.

Re:It could be a good thing (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250745)

...Except for a few facts. This is being done not just by a government, but one of the most oppressive, authoritarian, and anti-freedom governments on the face of the earth.

If there is one thing worse than not having an anti-virus (on a Windows box at least) its having a bad or outdated one.

The problem with blocking things like this on the ISP level with malware and such is censorship. Assuming a normal policy of "we aren't going to review or fix this" will lead to, in time many legitimate websites being blocked the reason being twofold, first there isn't a one-stop-shop for malware, you don't go to www.example.com/files/malware to download all malware, its tiny, many times infected and hijacked websites that contain malware. Then what happens when a domain name that had malware expires and a legitimate website springs up? If it was a large business and the ISP didn't quickly unblock it they could easily sue.

someone reverse engineer it (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28249759)

I would like to see some analysis of the software, i.e. decompilation and other reverse engineering. That's likely the only *true* way to find out what's its doing...

I'm interested in the technical details, like will running it inside a dedicated virtual machine or otherwise sandboxed meet the requirements of the "rule"? Speaking of, will the "rule" ever be truly be available publicly? (Like on-the-internet publicly, not must-show-up-in-person-at-Communist-Party-Headquarters-and-turn-over-your-passport publicly, because we know how they run things in Commie China.)

AS IF!!!! (5, Interesting)

hengdi (1202709) | more than 5 years ago | (#28249955)

I live in China. This will not happen.

The very idea that you must even sell each computer with said software on it is a non-starter. The rule of law here is very thin; if you don't annoy the govt. you can pretty much do what you like.

I bought a computer today from the flea market that is Harbin's main computer store (the infamous downstairs section, for those of you living here). This is a zero-regulated place where the very idea of mandating computer software is laughable.

It's like a few weeks ago when there was an article about mandating Red Flag Linux in cybercafes. This place is very capitalist and such measures simply won't even be enacted, let alone enforced.

Even the Chinese government know this. From TFA:

"The software must either be preinstalled on the hard drive or enclosed on a compact disc"

So at the very best, it'll be a CD thrown away when new machines are purchased.

Re:AS IF!!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250979)

You forgot the [CARRIER LOST]-joke ;-)

Fight communist tyranny and opression (1, Flamebait)

Ellis D Trippman (655872) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250073)

It should be the patriotic duty of any American company shipping PCs to China to crack and re-write this software and ship PCs with a hacked version that bypasses all Chinese censorship but still appears to be the official party censorware.

Re:Fight communist tyranny and opression (1)

deemen (1316945) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250277)

Re:Fight communist tyranny and opression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28251183)

Your mom [wikipedia.org] is a disease.

Re:Fight communist tyranny and opression (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250825)

Hope you were trying to get a +5 funny mod, but seriously how many PCs do we ship to China? Heck, how many American companies really sell PCs? You have Dell and HP and thats about it. I don't think the average Chinese person is on a Dell or HP computer, plus where do you think all the components are made? China. Its trvial to put together a computer whenever you have a CPU, HD, Motherboard, all the cables, RAM, Case, PSU, etc. right there.

Plus, despite what you might think, even the Chinese people who have come to the US to study, can get around censorship, etc. Think that its necessary to have a authoritarian government to continue the growth of China. Sure, it would be good if China became free, but many Chinese are opposed to the idea both because of brainwashing by a party-controlled media and the recent success in China economic wise while the "free world" is suffering a major economic meltdown.

Re:Fight communist tyranny and opression (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251311)

The software can be uninstalled. It only prevents kids from accessing porn on the internet. The list of blocked sites is maintained by a private company, not the government. Maybe it should be your patriotic duty to read the article?

Same thing here in USA (4, Insightful)

Fuzi719 (1107665) | more than 5 years ago | (#28250215)

What about local and state governments right here in the USA that have required the same thing on computers used by "the children" ("Think of the children!")? How about even attempts by federal legislators to do the same thing? People who spout off the typical "those horrible Chinese!" lines usually neglect to see the very similar tactics used right here in the good ol' USA. And the US media typically fails to report what happens here, but readily paints a negative picture of life in China.

Re:Same thing here in USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28250715)

how about you give some examples instead of just spouting nonsense.

Communism! You keep using that word.... (1)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 5 years ago | (#28251095)

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Inigo Montoya

Only a matter of time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28251161)

before some cracker breaks into the update system, and turns most of China's computers into an enormous botnet.

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