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Apple's WWDC Unveils iPhone 3.0, OpenCL, Laptop Updates, and More

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the one-more-thing dept.

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Lots of big news from WWDC today including updates to almost all of Apple's laptops. They added a 13-inch version to the MacBook Pro line, updated the MacBook Air, and added a few new ports to some of the machines including an SD slot and firewire 800 port. Software updates saw Safari 4 launched, OS X updates including threading changes, Exchange support to mail, calendar, and address book, and OpenCL a new open graphics standard. The iPhone got quite a bit of love in 3.0, much of it just confirming older news. Cut, copy, and paste, shake to undo, developer APIs, Cocoa Touch support for text, landscape mode updates, spotlight, and MMS all made the bullet list. You will now also be able to rent and purchase movies directly from your iPhone. Other new features in 3.0 include the much debated tethering ability, allowing you to use your iPhone as a cellular modem (unfortunately there was no mention of AT&T actually supporting this feature, a wonder there wasn't a riot), integrated TomTom GPS navigation, and game features galore. New functionality also allows you to locate your iPhone via MobileMe, play a sound to help you locate it (regardless if it is set to silent), and even wipe your data remotely. The New iPhone hardware updates, "3GS", adds a 3 megapixel auto-focus camera, voice interfaces, twice the processing power, and hardware encryption. The 3GS comes in 16GB ($199) and 32GB ($299), pushing the 3G (which they are keeping on the market) to $99. Lots of other small updates amidst the bustle, looks like another successful WWDC.

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yippee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254593)

boom

First post (-1, Offtopic)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254599)

Got karma to burn

Re:First post (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254701)

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Re:First post (1, Funny)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254789)

Um am I missing something? I'm not seeing any posts above mine and as I said I have Karma to burn. Go to Digg ouch, I wonder if you'll be modded funny

Re:First post (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254873)

Yeah, I think you are missing the first post - the one before your post.

The GS stands for... (4, Funny)

craenor (623901) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254605)

"Get Some" which Apple execs were rumored to have yelled at rival Palm execs while squeezing their junk.

Re:The GS stands for... (4, Funny)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254659)

I'm gonna buy one and put it next to my Apple II GS. :)

Re:The GS stands for... (1)

Bloopie (991306) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254917)

Well, it's better than, uh, squirting [gizmodo.com] their junk. Bleah!!!!!! Suddenly I don't feel so well.

$100 for 16GB?! (5, Insightful)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255083)

Ouch, that's a costly upgrade, when the same thing in an SD card is roughly $20.

Re:$100 for 16GB?! (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255109)

I should clarify - I'm referring to the additional $100 you pay for the additional 16GB to bring the iPhone to a total of 32GB.

Gay Nerd Ejaculation Imminent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254615)

Stand back, he's gunna blow Steve Jobs!

Macbook pro (5, Interesting)

aereinha (1462049) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254643)

Gained sd card reader...lost the express card slot. I want the express card slot back.

Re:Macbook pro (4, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254893)

Yeah that sucks, what the hell is wrong with Apple, why not keep the two of them as options. Now the only expansion comes from a single FW800 port. This is where Windows laptops do it better, they give you the card reading slots, and the Express slot. Apple did the right thing with the 13" but went backwards with the 15", not even bothering to update the 17" with them both, where its size would have allowed it! A CF reader would have been better for the Pro shooters. I'd rather have this than the inclusive price drop.

But at least we know its an Apple SD card reader so it must be better! I wonder if it can read the other 3 card formats that are the same size like windows laptops, seriously sucks hard if it is just SD. Why bother.

Re:Macbook pro (5, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254981)

But at least we know its an Apple SD card reader so it must be better!

Of course it is. It ejects the cards by itself with a cute little motor and a soothing chime. Not like those primitive SD readers you find on PC clones.
Also it goes to 11.

Re:Macbook pro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255001)

The 17" has room for both? How would you know that?

You do know that there are parts *inside* the computer sometimes, and that those parts take up space?

Oh, you're just bitching to bitch. Nevermind.

Re:Macbook pro (2, Insightful)

tyrione (134248) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255027)

Wake up. They made the changes based upon the feedback from their base. The Express slot satisfies enterprise clients and the firewire satisfies both third party hardware vendors and consumers:

MagSafe power port

Gigabit Ethernet port

One FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps)

Three USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)

Mini DisplayPort

Audio line in

Audio line out

ExpressCard/34 slot

Kensington lock slot

Buy a third party product for your card reading needs.My Sony Cybershot 10.3 MP Carl Zeiss model has video out and USB. I'm not complaining.

I'm going to fire my stock broker. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254649)


I'm going to fire my stock broker. The fucker never realized that the companies making KY Jelly and AstroGlide have huge sales increases around the time of a WWDC.

I jest, I jest. Go Apple!

Front Camera (4, Insightful)

Bicx (1042846) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254653)

Come on. Not just for video chat, but for ordinary photos. For those of you who have ever tried to take a picture of yourself with friends using an iPhone, you know my pain.

Re:Front Camera (-1, Redundant)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254747)

no phone in the history of the universe has had a front facing video camera, and Apple itself of course doesn't have the software to utilize it.

Seriously. At this point, I think they'll release it in next rev. and charge an extra 200 for it.

Re:Front Camera (1)

Bicx (1042846) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254849)

The software should not be a problem, nor should the camera. The idea is simple, and they know it. They may have just been against having two cameras, or AT&T wasn't prepared to deal with streaming video chats and Apple wasn't ready to deal with increasing the price.

Re:Front Camera (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254927)

All the more reason for Apple to do it and get in their first. I'm not bothered either way, but Apple like to be first with things.

Re:Front Camera (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255055)

Uh.
How about my Nokia N82? Or the N71 I had before that?
What about the el-cheapo LG I had before then?

Pretty much every 3g phone has a front facing video camera (albeit most of them are 320x200 - 640x400).

Re:Front Camera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254831)

My razr has a vid screen on the back of the phone for self photos and the like.

Seems easier to just stick a tiny LCD on the back than move the camera around front.

No video conferencing then? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254885)

Only a 3 megapixel camera? Decent lens? Light source for indoor? 480/320 screen?

 

Re:No video conferencing then? (3, Funny)

sadler121 (735320) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255099)

Only a 3 megapixel camera? Decent lens? Light source for indoor? 480/320 screen? lame

Fixed that for you

Re:Front Camera (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255043)

No one wants to see thousands of photos of your face or your private parts.

Is this the new style? (2, Interesting)

Dotren (1449427) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254661)

Posting these minute-by-minute conference updates and them appearing on the page backwards?

It seems like I just read some E3 updates laid out in the same manner last week and now I wonder if that article was from Endgadget as well or if this is becoming a common practice.

Re:Is this the new style? (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254687)

It's all the rage now.

Gotta get that "OMG I HEARD THIS ON TWITTER 2 SECONDS AGO" reader to see it without scrolling.

Bashing Competitors (5, Insightful)

Bicx (1042846) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254665)

Has Apple been this abrasive to their competitors during the keynotes before? It was a little tacky IMO

Re:Bashing Competitors (3, Insightful)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254685)

Apple lives on cockiness and fanboy hive-mind reality isolation. Did you expect any different?

Re:Bashing Competitors (1)

Dotren (1449427) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254785)

Seriously, I've only made it a quarter of the way through this thing and I've already come to the conclusion that they could have held this conference with no new product/feature announcements and it still would have been a huge success as long as they bashed Microsoft and Windows 7 for most of it.

Apple is hip, and its hip to hate PC!

yeh, too bad... (5, Insightful)

inerlogic (695302) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254683)

they're still married to AT&T....

Re:yeh, too bad... (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254771)

Not only that but it seemed like "Oh we are releasing a new feature! (not on AT&T)". I mean, just look at it MMS is going to be on every phone (but not AT&T that will be later in the summer) You also get tethering that really works (not on AT&T), etc.

So no iPod Touch refresh? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254699)

So, no iPod Touch refresh?
Just a software update?

Very disappointing for those of use unwilling to cozy up to AT&T.
Too expensive. No real coverage in my area.

Re:So no iPod Touch refresh? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254819)

Well, really there isn't anything other than the speed upgrade that the iPod Touch would have that the new iPhone has. Tethering, camera upgrades, etc. Wouldn't really work for the iPod Touch.

Re:So no iPod Touch refresh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254899)

True, you have a point.

I was hoping for more memory/price drop [FN1] and maybe a built-in mic (voice memos, VoIP).

[FN1]
If the memory got bumped to 64Mb, then the 32Mb's price would drop.

OpenCL != OpenGL (5, Informative)

adam.dorsey (957024) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254703)

FTA: and OpenCL a new open graphics standard

Not quite. [wikipedia.org]
...a framework for writing programs that execute across heterogeneous platforms consisting of CPUs, GPUs, and other processors.

OpenCL is like CUDA, but supposed to be more open along the lines of OpenGL, hence the name. The same guys who manage OpenGL (Khronos) manage OpenCL as well. You could probably use it to do graphics, but that would be stupid.

Re:OpenCL != OpenGL (0, Offtopic)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254803)

I hope they do a better job supporting this framework than they've done with Java.

Re:OpenCL != OpenGL (1)

slyn (1111419) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255137)

Though your dig against Apple for their slow to come Java updates is not unfounded, Apple won't be controlling OpenCL. You don't even need to read TFA or TFwiki, your parent poster says it.

OpenCL is like CUDA, but supposed to be more open along the lines of OpenGL, hence the name. The same guys who manage OpenGL (Khronos) manage OpenCL as well. You could probably use it to do graphics, but that would be stupid.

Apple may have started and pushed the standard, but they aren't in charge of it any longer.

Re:OpenCL != OpenGL (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255025)

FTA: and OpenCL a new open graphics standard

Not quite. [wikipedia.org] ...a framework for writing programs that execute across heterogeneous platforms consisting of CPUs, GPUs, and other processors.

OpenCL is like CUDA, but supposed to be more open along the lines of OpenGL, hence the name. The same guys who manage OpenGL (Khronos) manage OpenCL as well. You could probably use it to do graphics, but that would be stupid.

Why would it be so stupid? OpenGL sucks for doing specialized graphics work; it's designed to be a noisy, triangle-pushing machine, not for Photoshop quality images in non-realtime. OpenCL fits the bill as the ultimate photo studio accelerator more so than any other API does at the moment.

OpenCL might have been designed to be a generalized compute API, but 9/10 of the apps that immediately use it in the first few months will be graphical applications (Photoshop & imitators, maybe Adobe's Flash), with the 10th being someone's Big Budget sound studio app (Reason/Live/etc). It will be months before anyone has general utility of the API.

OS X updates (5, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254705)

Software updates saw Safari 4 launched, OS X updates including threading changes, Exchange support to mail, calendar, and address book, and OpenCL a new open graphics standard.

To be clear, the updates to OS X referred to are features of OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) which will ship in September and cost $29. It is not an update to 10.5 and is not yet available outside of developer previews.

Tethering lawsuit? (0, Flamebait)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254707)

Bets on when nullriver sues over their tethering software's reasonless removal from the app store now that Apple is offering tethering.

Re:Tethering lawsuit? (3, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254799)

What would be their allegations in such a suit? What agreement has Apple broken? What law has apple violated?

Re:Tethering lawsuit? (0, Troll)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255037)

Apple agreed to the app and it was in the appstore for a day, then pulled it without word. Then they agreed to put it back up, then after waiting a long while, they finally said "no" without explanation. I would say they broke the original agreement to sell the tethering app through the app store because someone in their dev group said it was supposed to be a killer feature in iphone OS 3.0. Abuse of monopoly power. Or... They killed the nullriver app because AT&T told them to behind the scenes. Collusion and abuse of monopoly power.

Re:Tethering lawsuit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255159)

Yeah, when Apple has a monopoly on cellphones, maybe that will fly. When will Apple have a monopoly on cell phones? Never.

Re:Tethering lawsuit? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255039)

Maybe argue prior work, anticompetitive practices something like that lawyers can get creative.

They banned a product from their store and then release the same product later

Re:Tethering lawsuit? (3, Informative)

cbuskirk (99904) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255135)

It was removed from the North American App store. In North America the Iphone is exclusive to ATT. ATT does not allow tethering. You will not be able to use the Apple tethering app in North America.

WWDC'09 Pictures and Panorama (1)

e133tc1pher (752949) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254711)

I took a bunch of pictures at WWDC and made a panorama of the Moscone center http://msca.me/1J [msca.me] . Click around it's pretty neat. I think brian lam from gizmodo might be in there on the right. The WWDC'09 has been great so far, but what is up with the matte case that was floating around previously, was that a hoax or what? I could have sworn it was for the $100 one (which ran out in all the stores I've checked).

Re:WWDC'09 Pictures and Panorama (1)

Socrates1024 (796498) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254837)

I think I see him

popup alerts on the iphone (1)

skeletor935 (790212) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254717)

Push alerts to the iPhone. Here comes the pin the tail on the donkey pop up adds on the iPhone.

Re:popup alerts on the iphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254965)

More like thrust the dick in your ass.

Security on auto-locate feature? (3, Insightful)

Turken (139591) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254725)

I hope there's good security on the auto-locate feature. Aside from the obvious "prank" of remotely wiping someone's iphone, I can also see this being abused for such things as spying on people's locations, or perhaps less invasive but more annoying... a "loved one" forcing your phone to ring when you already set it to silent for a meeting or movie.

Good update. (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254727)

Not great but good. The $99 phone is the big news the rest of it is just nice. I like the voice controls, compass, and video but nothing is earth shattering. I do think Palm will provide some much needed competition for the iPhone. The difference in a two year contract runs a few hundred dollars and the Pre offers a keyboard which some people really want. If you can not tether on AT&T then it is just a big slap in the face for US customers. I hope Palm/Sprint will enable that feature on the Pre when they see how bent people are at AT&T over it. Now we need Android on some networks besides T-Mobile and we can start seeing a real three way fight.

The whole event was crap. (0, Troll)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254729)

This whole conference was crap. All Apple did was bash Windows, introduce a service pack for Leopard priced at 29USD, and introduce a phone which, well, is only evolutionary, and tell everyone in the US that tethering via AT&T isn't an option for god-knows-what-reason.

They also took out an ExpressCard slot from their MacBook Pros, worsened the battery situation on said laptops, and generally just ripped everyone off. What a waste of time.

What was with the Windows-bashing? They didn't even give a reason. All they said was that it's built on top of Vista... well, duh? Snow Leopard is built on top of Leopard. That's supposed to mean something? Apple is spending a good amount of effort trying to become the biggest troll on the planet... for what? What's the benefit? Too many of my friends were turned off by the unnecessary Windows-bashing; I guess if Apple was trying to win over the enterprise crowd, they did a good job of alienating them right from the start.

Re:The whole event was crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254875)

Apple is spending a good amount of effort trying to become the biggest troll on the planet... for what?

I don't know. Maybe they're trying to rival you?

Re:The whole event was crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254879)

This "whole conference" just started two hours ago, jackass.

The lack of tethering in the US is obviously AT&T's fault, which is the point that Apple (tactfully) made clear.

The battery situation (to the extent that you meant battery life, the only metric that matters for batteries) *improved* across the board.

...and referring to SL as a service pack to Leopard simply confirms that you're nothing more than a moron spouting off about things you cannot even understand.

yeah, i fed the troll, so what?

Re:The whole event was crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254903)

This whole conference was crap.

The conference runs a full week, starting now and this was just the entertaining opening peptalk, geared at media as much as the developers in the room.

They didn't mean to make Windows cry- here, have some tissues. Becoming unpopular can be a mean ride, but in the end it toughens you. Just look at how good Win 7 is turning out after Vista receiving its due share of "you suck".

Re:The whole event was crap. (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254931)

I particularly liked how they introduced third-party peripheral support, something other PDAs had over a decade ago, and all the demos failed.

Re:The whole event was crap. (1, Interesting)

mcwop (31034) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254963)

Bashing Windows is fun! Seriously, I love Apple, but must agree that the new OS X update really does not have any new incredible features I am dying for. The new iPhones look cool, and do have some new key features, that make it much more complete.
---- The place I think Apple is still blowing it is in the "netbook" space. I will not spend over $1,000 for an Air to just do email and surf the net. In fact I just bought a Dell Mini 12 with Ubuntu for that, and at $500 is much easier on the wallet. No entry here by Apple despite Apple having a Mobile ready OS, unlike bloated Windows (reason why netbooks run XP), which I just do not get. Just do not fully understand Apple's poo-pooing the netbook space. I see a Netbook as a supplement to my bigger system, that I prefer not to carry. The iPhone can do some basic stuff on the road, but the screen is just not big enough for "surfing" the web, and handling documents etc...

Let Those Mod Points Fly Apple Crazies! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254967)

Mod the unbeliever straight down to hell!

Re:The whole event was crap. (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254989)

*thumbs up* CrackedButter and 2 other Mac fanboys like this.

Shake it (5, Insightful)

jargoone (166102) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254731)

Am I the only one who hates the shake interface for any action at all? Half the time I don't shake it hard enough, so I have to do it again. And for something like undo, it takes your eyes off what you're trying to do... or undo. I realize there are limited inputs on a device with few hard buttons, but hope there's an alternate way.

And of course, no non-glossy displays (5, Insightful)

mousse-man (632412) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254739)

Can't Apple produce 15" or 13" laptops without that damn glossy display? These mirrors mounted on laptops get really annoying, and I'm not the only one who thinks that non-glossy displays are superior to their allegedly cheaper glossy displays.

One more guy who's looking for a used MBP on ebay.

How does the GS look to game devs? (1)

nobodyman (90587) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254749)

Any iphone devs have any idea how the new graphics chipset might affect things? Are there going to be GS-specific graphics API calls?

Also I wonder if we'll see 3gs-only games? Obviously it would unwise to do so from a sales perspective, but I wonder if apple will even allow such a thing.

Re:How does the GS look to game devs? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254919)

I wouldn't think so because the point of the iPhone OS is to provide the same platform across all generations of iPhones/iPod Touch. I think there would be some inputs that would make it be impossible to do such as using the camera, etc. But other than that I don't think it makes since to have GS only calls.

Hardware Encryption (4, Insightful)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254755)

Umm, encryption of...what, exactly?

Are we talking about the flash drive being encrypted? Are we talking about the iPhone finally supporting PGP?

Re:Hardware Encryption (1)

GraZZ (9716) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255009)

I was wondering about this. I wonder if it's going to be more of that trusted platform end-to-end encryption junk. Jailbreaking's last stand?

I felt they really glossed over this new feature.

Lots of brain candy for the geeks, but... (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254767)

Yeah, we love developer APIs, and I'm sure there's a geek who's mouth is watering for cut and paste, but this announcement just isn't as shiny as past Apple announcements. I'm guessing many will disagree, but personally, I think Apple's innovation has been on a decline, and these smaller innovations (while still involving significant technical effort) will not resonate as well as the video ipod or iphone did, for example.

Re:Lots of brain candy for the geeks, but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254881)

Well, it IS a developer's conference.

Just sayin'.

Re:Lots of brain candy for the geeks, but... (3, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254993)

If your biggest problem is that your latest product upgrade isn't as exciting as the initial launch of said product, well that's not such a bad place to be.

Apple has consistently released new iPods for years, but not every one was a giant step over the last. And people complained that the change wasn't that exciting. But they kept selling truckloads of the little things, and they'll probably keep selling iPhones as well.

I don't know what sort of huge innovations you were expecting. Apple has spent a lot of effort in creating the iPhone as a platform, served by the app store. They're not going to release something so incredibly different that it fractures that platform "eco-system". They're going to be very careful about releasing hardware that will result in apps that aren't backwards compatible with the phones already out there.

iPhone fine print (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254773)

Requires new two-year AT&T wireless service contract, sold separately to qualified customers; credit check required; must be 18 or older. For non-qualified customers, including existing AT&T customers who want to upgrade from another phone or replace an iPhone 3G, the price with a new two-year agreement is $499 (8GB), $599 (16GB), or $699 (32GB). (from http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/ [apple.com] ) Kudos for the new corporate aftertaste and giant spanking to current customers!

Re:iPhone fine print (1)

Fahrvergnuugen (700293) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254997)

Word to the wise, don't break your 32GB iPhone in the first 2 years.

Re:iPhone fine print (2, Interesting)

_Hiro_ (151911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255165)

Doesn't AT&T let you sign a new contract for a discount on a phone after your 2-year is up?

I know Alltel, Verizon, AND T-Mobile all do.

Maybe Apple's website just isn't setup to do renewals, and you have to go to an AT&T store?

Seems cheap but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254791)

Check out the fine print from the Apple Store:

"For non-qualified customers, including existing AT&T customers who want to upgrade from another phone or replace an iPhone 3G, the price with a new two-year agreement is $499 (8GB), $599 (16GB), or $699 (32GB)."

Ouch for upgraders.

we missed you steve :( (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254793)

I wish you had blown your hot load all over the cockholsters in the audience.
then backstage you'd dump a couple of steamin' hot logs right in my mouth.
*sigh*
there's always next year.

- arn, macrumors god

No iPod touch update? (1)

bbasgen (165297) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254815)

I found it a bit surprising that the Touch was not updated. Technically I would think it is a non-issue, but I suppose they want to give the more lucrative iPhone the bump before the Touch gets the same thing. Its a shame -- I had been waiting a month to buy the Touch hoping it would get the same bump. Oh well.

Re:No iPod touch update? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254897)

Same here - but my birthday's not for a few more months, so I'm still waiting... Maybe they'll give it the boost when they do their iPod-centric show (with new & improved Jobs?) in September.

The Fraud of Tethering (5, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254847)

Other new features in 3.0 include the much debated tethering ability, allowing you to use your iPhone as a cellular modem (unfortunately there was no mention of AT&T actually supporting this feature, a wonder there wasn't a riot)

Considering that the iPhone itself is really a small form-factor computer with communication abilities built in, the line has already been so blurred between phone and computer that I can't see how that fact that another computer can also access the Internet through the connection is all that different. Especially since you, the customer are paying to have the ability to transfer a given number of bits per month. Why should it even matter -- except to anal companies like AT&T who what to sell you capacity and then prevent you from actually using it -- the eventual destination of those bits? How it tethering even different from storing the downloaded data in an iPhone and transferring it later to another device?

Answer: It isn't!

The same for VoIP. It's all just bits being sent and received. Now create a business model that acknowledges this axiom.

Re:The Fraud of Tethering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28254907)

Some people are trying, like Zer01 which was announced at CTIA. Supposedly unlimited data at a flat rate, and they explicitly said they don't care how you use it or if you tether a PC.

suckers buying iPhones (1)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254983)

AT&T runs a standard GSM/3G network and allows unlocked phones. There are plenty of phones that support tethering, including all Symbian phones. If you buy an iPhone with restrictions, that's really your problem.

Re:suckers buying iPhones (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255065)

AT&T charges for tethering, and doing it without paying for it (an extra $30/mo for only 5GB of tethered data) is probably a violation of the ToS.

Control (1)

hax0r_this (1073148) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255005)

Because they can't control how you use a tethered computer. Try torrenting something on an un-jailbroken iPhone, then tell me how much it is like "another computer".

Re:The Fraud of Tethering (1)

horatio (127595) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255019)

I can't see how that fact that another computer can also access the Internet through the connection is all that different...

It is different in AT&T's world because they do place restrictions (artificial to be sure) on what the iPhone can do on the 3G network. I've run into limitations on the 3G network where where I get a warning that I can't download something (file, song, app) because it is > 10MB, and no streaming (so the $30 slingplayer app requires WiFi...Fsck! If I had wifi I would run the app on my macbook)

Re:The Fraud of Tethering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255101)

It is probably so you end up with 5GB as part of your monthly data when tethered with a higher rate when you exceed that instead of "unlimited" that all the non-tethered plans claim.

Even with the non-tethered plans with AT&T that list as unlimited for data transfer (instead of 5GB included then about $0.49/MB after if you have a tethered plan) in the fine print they say that they can charge you if you exceed 5GB in a month.

(Don't believe that? Go here [att.com] and search for "if you use more than 5 GB in a month" It exists for Dataconnect, and PDA/Blackberry plans with tethering. No mention of iPhone right now, but give it time)

A comment I wrote a few days back here [slashdot.org] goes a tad more into numbers about those data rates and what it would take to hit them as well as costs.

At $99 the 3G is now relatively mainstream (4, Interesting)

toppavak (943659) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254915)

There's always been a bit of a gap between the $100 (low cost) and the $200 (high cost) smartphones, the Pearl vs the 8820 in blackberry land, for example. With a $99 pricetag the 3G (hardware, at least, the data contract is still damned expensive)is now in line with all of the low-end smartphones currently on the market. With Apple taking a 30% cut on app sales plus a share of the AT&T contract price, it makes sense to push the cost of last generation's hardware down. As much as I and probably a lot of others would love to see a more open platform (Android or Linux, for example) gain ground in the mobile space, this will make it a lot harder to establish a sizable marketshare for the platforms that are more recently emerging into the market.

Still, Android has a shot to build (and surpass) the app library of the iPhone by moving bottom up in terms of price-point. A large number of low to midrange phones running Android could give the platform the customer base it needs to support a large development community which would in turn help build the platform's maturity eventually leading to advanced smartphones with a large and diverse assortment of apps available. This would be almost the reverse of how the iPhone platform grew: starting out as a premium hardware and service, now working down to cheaper hardware to leverage growing revenue streams from a large app library and contracts from the installed (and growing) base. Philosophically and practically (monoculture is typically a bad thing) I would love to see Android succeed on a large scale in the marketplace but as much as I often disagree with Apple's stylistic choices and UI design I have to give kudos for how well they've executed the iPhone and app store as a business.

$79 Touch (0)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254945)

If there's a $99 iPhone, can a $79 iPod Touch be far behind? All Apple is doing for sure is ensuring that a Touch of similar capacity cannot exceed $99 any longer since an iPhone w/o a contract will otherwise be a better deal.

Re:$79 Touch (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255033)

That $99 price is WITH a contract.

Also, the 8GB iPhone 3G was $199 while the 8GB iPod touch 2G was $229.

Re:$79 Touch (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255049)

It costs a fair bit more than $99 if you don't have a contract.

Re:$79 Touch (2, Informative)

0racle (667029) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255059)

It's $99 after the subsidies from the 2 year AT&T plan. You have to buy an iPod touch outright.

FTFF (1)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254979)

From here [macrumorslive.com] :

10:21 am Rewrote Finder in Cocoa, which results in lots of extra features.

Whoa. Did they finally FTFF [google.com] ? Wow, cool, I hope Apple posts a video of the keynote or the changes in the finder on their site. For those who don't use OS X, having the Finder rewritten in Cocoa is potentially huge because it gives them a chance to address a number of long-standing issues as well take advantage of a lot of cocoa built-in stuff, but it also may also give the user a lot of customizability because the interface becomes customizable. E.g., I've edited safari to remove the brushed metal look, I've added shortcuts to some menu options, and removed others all together, etc.

Today's news = sad days for new iphone3g owners (-1, Troll)

tresstatus (260408) | more than 5 years ago | (#28254985)

in february, my wife and i both purchased 8GB IPhone 3G phones @ $199 each. i know several other people that have done the same thing within the past couple of months. it really peeves me that apple dropped the price to $99 AND introduced a new phone that has twice the capacity for the same price as the phone that I bought. it would be different if they said, "in 1 year, there will be this blah blah blah phone for $199" because that would have given the consumers a chance to decide if they want to go ahead with the massive $199 purchase or wait to get something that is better for the same price.

i know i'm preachin to the choir, but apple should show some good faith and offer some sort of upgrade plan for people who purchased iphones within the past 6 months. there is no way in hell that i'm going to shell out $199 more within the next couple of years just to get a phone that has features that apple fucked up in the original iphone3g. i would, however, be willing to pay $50-75 to upgrade my phone to the IPhone3GS.

Re:Today's news = sad days for new iphone3g owners (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255115)

There is always something better just over the horizon. If you are a big Jobs devotee then you should have known better than to buy something just before WWDC. That is a MASSIVE NERD FAIL.

Re:Today's news = sad days for new iphone3g owners (1)

fx1718 (1559533) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255147)

I'm easily willing to pay $199 for the new one (i got my 3g 3 months ago) because I'm sure I'll be able to sell my 3g. The real question is will AT&T sell you one for $199 if you are only a few months into your contract or will you have to pay like $400.

Where's my quad-core MBP? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255015)

Everyone thought it would happen last year. Is it going to happen this year? I will seriously buy a Quad-Core, FW800-equipped MBP, especially if I can get it in a 15". (The 17" form factor has turned out to be slightly cumbersome to transport... not that I have a MBP. My laptop is not TOO much bigger though.) Q9000 dissipates only like 27W TDP, it should be at least doable.

Why an SD slot, I wonder? (2, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255047)

Since most higher-level dSLRs use Compact Flash, I'm a bit surprised they didn't include a CF slot on their "pro" line of laptops instead of an SD slot - especially since a CF slot could've served both CF and SD card users.

Re:Why an SD slot, I wonder? (3, Informative)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255139)

CF slots are too bulky for Apple's design. Atleast thats my guess.

I met Steve a couple years back... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255107)

A couple of years ago, while wandering the library in downtown San Francisco, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Steve Jobs -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure he wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a pc user and had been on the Mac train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Steve Jobs, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Steve Jobs wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Jobs speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

AND NO ZFS in Leopard server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28255117)

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/file-system.html :(

No OpenGL ES 2.0 (1)

Suiggy (1544213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255121)

There's no OpenGL ES 2.0 support in the iPhone 3GS, which makes me rather disseminated. I had been hoping for an upgrade, but it looks like it won't happen. The Palm Pre, on the other hand, has a GPU capable of OpenGL ES 2.0 and shaders.

Apple pushes the boundaries again (2, Interesting)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 5 years ago | (#28255155)

Wow! MMS! Cut and Paste! Apple is really pushing the boundaries of computing these days.

Everyone that bought an iPhone got sold down the river if the best Apple can do is release 5+ year old cell phone features as something new.

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