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Paris Hosts the Second Hacker Space Festival

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the cette-annee-a-paris dept.

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zoobab writes "Hackers from all over Europe will meet at the end of the month (27-30 June) at the second Hacker Space Festival in Paris. The four-day schedule includes conferences and workshops on: Metasploit, HostileWRT, FPGA for beginners, ICT disaster recovery, software patents in Europe, Hadopi, and many other topics. The future of Hacker Spaces will also be debated. The event will be hosted by the first French hackerspace, /tmp/lab, located in an industrial zone on the outskirts of Paris."

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55 comments

That'll keep her pretty busy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28262215)

She fucks a lot, but tht's a LOT !!

Re:That'll keep her pretty busy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28264571)

1 hacker in paris?

Ou est les nerds? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28262287)

Nothing says hacker convention better than a gathering of pasty-faced, pear-shaped, unshaven and socially retarded computer nerds. lol

Is it at the Paris Hilton, perchance? (-1, Offtopic)

Ifni (545998) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262291)

located in an industrial zone on the outskirts of Paris

As opposed to the underskirts of Paris?

Re: Cliché (3, Informative)

neutrino38 (1037806) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262395)

Sorry to disappoint you but outskirt is the standard translation for French banlieue, which makes the whole thing less sexy.

On the other hand, if you insist on this side, I may advise you to have a look at this geek's girlfriend advise site [copinedegeek.com] if you read some French.

Cheers.

Re: Cliche (1)

zoobab (201383) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262661)

That's the advantage of the location: at least the Bobos from Neuilly won't come because they don't go to Vitry :-)

Re: Cliché (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28263563)

Heh, that site is hilarious. If I ever find myself with a french girlfriend again I'll have to remember that, even if it hasn't been updated for ages.

Re: Cliché (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28277837)

f I ever find myself with a girlfriend I'll have to remember that

Corrected

Hmmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28262293)

[jeanpierre@localhost ~]$ ssh festivaldelespacedintrus.fr -l jeanpierre
ssh: festivaldelespacedintrus.fr: Temporary failure in name resolution

"damnit d'un dieu que j'abandonne"

HACKING (4, Insightful)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262307)

Is a dying art - and I am not referring to malicious hacking. That is a term spawned by the over-hyped media.

Being able to hack a system to get it to work is sadly something that less and less techs are able to do. Format-reinstall is the mantra of techsupport lately.

And these tools that the summary mentions might not refer to that kind of hack, but they still have some real-world positive applications that seem to be eschewed by the new generation of IT staffers, and when something does go bork in the night they stare wide-eyed at the screen and look for the re-install disks without thinking of running a diagnostic such as NMAP or metasploit (yes it can and should be used as a diagnostic tool) to find out where the problem actually lies.

Re:HACKING (1)

siloko (1133863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262357)

running a diagnostic such as NMAP or metasploit

. . . if only all system borks were network related. For me these are amongst the easiest to track down and fix, it's the weird hardware faults, software incompatabilities, driver issues, badly written shell scripts firing twice a day etc., etc., which take the time. Obviously it would take a drive failure combined with an untested backup routine which really causes face slapping incredulity but that's rare around here . . .

Re:HACKING (2, Insightful)

rdnetto (955205) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262483)

Don't worry, we'll get off you lawn. :) In all seriousness though, this is just a reflection of modern society; it's become cheaper to replace something (or reinstall from scratch/backup) than to actually fix the damaged product. I once knew a guy who reinstalled Windows because the sound from his mic was being played back through his speaker (turned out he'd fiddled around with the volume control). It took 5 sec to fix that, yet he chose to spend over an hour reinstalling. It really just comes down to what's faster, and not the actual solution/cause of the problem.

Re:HACKING (1)

Ultracrepidarian (576183) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262699)

Every time I hear "It's faster to reinstall (OS)", I think, "This guy doesn't do very many things with his computer".

Re:HACKING (3, Interesting)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 5 years ago | (#28263113)

Every time I hear "It's faster to reinstall (OS)", I think, "This guy doesn't do very many things with his computer".

Sometimes it is faster. Time is money, too.

I could spend the time to figure out what the problem is, but at some point you realize that not only is it going to be faster to reinstall the OS, but it is going to be a BETTER solution.

The better question is, WHY are we reinstalling the OS?

If it's malware, spyware, weird persistent popups, then reinstalling the OS is the only SANE solution. You will never be absolutely certain you got rid of it, and if it is still doing something to your system. Reinstallation provides peace of mind in many cases as well, and is pretty much required in a corporate setting.

If it's just a problem relating to one specific program, then either update the program, or do a reinstall of that program. There are some cases where it is literally so fucked up, that you need to start with a fresh OS install just to get that program to work again. I personally have spent 8-10 hours trying to figure out why a program did what it was doing, before finally realizing that my time was going to be better spent elsewhere. Was that software developer going to give me anything for it? Unlikely. Could I have made money doing something else? Probably. The best example I can come up with off the top of my head is fucking Vongo. That was a nightmare crapware additive on HP laptops a few years back that had no solution (a working one) anywhere. Not from Vongo or HP. Their suggestion? Pay us more money.

Driver issues? Sometimes a reinstall is going to be required as well. You can only do so much, and when reinstalling the drivers and the tcp/ip stack does not work..... well you are screwed. You can get mad and spend hour after hour trying to fix the driver depending on your level of skill from dumbass to god-like kung fu, but your time would have still been better spent just reinstalling the OS and moving on.

What about imaging? If you perform a clean install, updates, and an installation of a basic software package that includes most of your tools and development platforms, and then set all your configurations correct and then create an image, how is using that image to fall back a "bad thing" as you seem to suggest?

I recommend to most people to keep their data on separate partitions and drives for a reason. That way you CAN reinstall the OS or go back to an image within 15 minutes and not be forced to use your time to get down deep into the OS and actually figure out what is going on.

Not everybody has that kind of time, dude. That is what some techs forget. Yeah, you can treat it as a challenge and a problem that must be solved. However, somebody is paying for your time one way or the other. If you can solve the problem quicker for your client and get them back up and running, well then you really should do that. Figure shit out on your own time. I don't know about you, but if I decide to go the 5 hour route to figure out the why, instead of the 20 minute route that I KNOW will fix the problem, it will cost my clients hundred of dollars.

My overall point being that you are being a little bit simplistic and condescending to hastily condemn somebody as ignorant and unsophisticated simply because they chose a path of least resistance instead of deliberately choosing the "challenge".

Re:HACKING (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 5 years ago | (#28265135)

Could I have made money doing something else? Probably. The best example I can come up with off the top of my head is fucking Vongo.

That just sounds wrong on its own.

Re:HACKING (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28266311)

You know... I have my Gentoo server since 2001 now. I changed the whole hardware. Twice. Had numerous problems. And solved them. Something that I never had been able to do with previous systems. Even Linux ones. The point was, that the installation forced me to finally understand the OS. To me this even was a fun process. (And the forum people and wikis helped me more than words can say.)

So it basically ran nice for more than 8 years. And to re-configure it all would take at least a month. That's how customized to my preferences it is. So it would be a path with a huge resistance.

My opinion is, that when reinstalling is the path of least resistance, then either you never really used or understood your computer (Just using some desktop apps does not count as using. I mean real things. Automation. Saving you real time.), or your OS is a piece of crap. ^^

Ok, I like to do god-like kung-foo too. It's the most fun game I know.

Re:HACKING (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 5 years ago | (#28270133)

Ooh another Gentoo server geek! At our company all our large servers and client servers (save our Windows Webserver [you gotta have at least one meh]) are gentoo boxen.

A 1U server just showed up - ready for install. Not my job to do the install though, but I will be going with a guy on Friday night to install it in the cabinet at the DC.

Woot!

Take it from an experienced troubleshooter... (1)

nuckfuts (690967) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267331)

The decision whether to repair or to wipe a computer is not always easy. I've been fixing computers for a long time, to the point where many of my clients are other IT professionals in need of support, and my hourly rates are significant.

A common scenario involves multiple malware infections on a computer with numerous applications installed. Wiping and properly reinstalling the machine will give guaranteed results, but will take hours due to the large number of updates and patches required. With luck it's not some low-end desktop full of no-name hardware with hard-to-find drivers.

So the first choice is usually to repair the infections rather than wipe the computer, but here's the catch - some of these buggers are HARD to get rid of, particularly in the case of new variants for which effective removal tools aren't available.

I've cleaned computers to the point where every malware scanner I run reports clean, but malicious activity like bogus DNS resolution or blocking of executables is still evident.

Now it gets tough. Say you've already spent 2 hours scanning & disinfecting a machine and it's beginning to smell like you may be up against a root kit or something your favourite tools can't detect. You have to make a call. Do you keep digging, spending more time, and risk having to give up and reinstall in the end, or cut the losses and wipe now? If the malware uses new tricks you haven't seen before, you could spend HOURS digging, and if unsuccessful, still be facing 3 or 4 more hours to reinstall from scratch.

There are times I would like to keep going out of sheer curiosity, but when someone brings in a computer for malware removal, you can't run up a bill that would rival the cost of replacing the computer! Choosing to reinstall does not mean you lack skills - it's a cost/benefit decision.

Re:HACKING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267857)

Many times it is faster. Take a really bad Malware infection on a slow machine. Reinstall: 2 hours unattended (Plus backup, etc). Removal: 2-3+ hours attended. Thats the sad reality of it.

Re:HACKING (4, Informative)

AceJohnny (253840) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262563)

Actually, I think we're seeing a bit of a comeback. Hackerspaces are mushrooming [wired.com] around the world. (I like to believe the talk at the 24th Chaos Computer Congress in December 2007, Building a Hacker Space [events.ccc.de] , helped provide impetus to this movement.) I also believe DIY culture is on the rise again, as spearheaded by Make [makezine.com] .

So I'd say it's not so much that hacking is dying off rather than being handed over to the new generation, which has its own interests.

Re:HACKING (2, Informative)

Brietech (668850) | more than 5 years ago | (#28263991)

Don't forget groups like NYCResistor (www.nycresistor.com), HacDC (http://hacdc.org/), Noisebridge (https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge), etc. Hackers are still around =)

Re:HACKING (1)

rmccann (792082) | more than 5 years ago | (#28264167)

Yeah, we're making a Hackerspace in Dublin, Ireland

Re:HACKING (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 5 years ago | (#28277379)

The hacker foundation hijacked the term as if they invented all these places, American arogance.

Re:HACKING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28264391)

Being able to write correctly in English is sadly something that fewer and fewer /.ers are able to do.

Hell, who am I kidding - the number has always been small.

Re:HACKING (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 5 years ago | (#28270175)

Was my Engrish THAT bad?

It is my second language, mind you.

Re:HACKING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28287363)

" Being able to hack a system to get it to work is sadly something that less and less techs are able to do. Format-reinstall is the mantra of techsupport lately."

      Not so. I know plenty of people that will fix a system rather tha reinstall. But (most of..) the people with these skills abandoned windows like 5 years ago.

Please tag as !hilton (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28262361)

I don't want this story showing up when I search Slashdot for the latest gossip on our favorite celebutante [overcompensating.com] .

What an eclectic group of topics (4, Insightful)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262415)

After I saw FPGA and Verilog right along side making your own bio-diesel I knew, this was a really eclectic group of topics being talked about. I envy you insensitive euro-bastards. Where is my hacker space festival (in the US?) All we get is lame gatherings of steam-punkers doing the cosplay thing in the desert while modding their cases/cars/bodies to look like they were built by Jules Verne .. or commercial gatherings where it's free pencils and a few days at the poker tables in the area.

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (3, Informative)

lekernel (1279600) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262513)

www.notacon.org is pretty good.

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28264261)

You've got Defcon, insensitive us-bastard.

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (1)

philtmp (1543777) | more than 5 years ago | (#28265331)

Create one! HSF can be done anywhere, by anyone... Need is the mother of Hacking :) Do you have it? It just requires energy and positive mind :) Do you have them?

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (1)

zobier (585066) | more than 5 years ago | (#28276617)

Need is the mother of Hacking

or curiosity

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28265385)

Where is my hacker space festival (in the US?) All we get is lame gatherings of steam-punkers doing the cosplay thing in the desert while modding their cases/cars/bodies to look like they were built by Jules Verne .. or commercial gatherings where it's free pencils and a few days at the poker tables in the area.

Pity -- you just missed Maker Faire [makerfaire.com] in the Bay Area. There's one in Austin coming up.

It's like all the cool stuff from Burning Man got dumped onto the fairgrounds, but instead of being pretentious twits about how "artistic" they are, everyone wants to take the covers off and show you how they built it. "It" can be anything from the funky muffin cupcake cars from Burning Man, to high power rockets, to 3D printers that use sugar instead of plastic.

(Yeah, there are Steampunks too, but instead of just dressing up, they'll show you how they restored an actual steam-powered tractor from the turn of the century. It's the size of a small locomotive, which shouldn't be surprising, since it essentially is a small locomotive with tractor wheels on it. They had it running for the full duration of the fair, and drove around the fairgrounds with it towards the end of the day. Insane!)

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#28276087)

Now you're talking. I'm gonna look into this.

Re:What an eclectic group of topics (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28266363)

How about making one happen? I would come... if I weren't in Germany. ^^

Ask the people of this festival, if you could start a franchise festival at your place, and if you could work together to get you going.
Protip: Contact some event managers. And let your visitors pay for their work. It will be worth it.

Plenty of 20 minutes slots for Lightning Talks (4, Informative)

zoobab (201383) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262549)

There are still plenty of 20 minutes slots for Lightning Talks to present your project:

http://www.hackerspace.net/lightning-talks

Videos of last year (1)

zoobab (201383) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262761)

Some interesting videos of last year:

http://www.justin.tv/hackerspace/all

HostileWRT appears to have been cancelled (1)

pathological liar (659969) | more than 5 years ago | (#28262891)

The HostileWRT presentation appears to have been cancelled, which is too bad, it's the only thing in the summary that looks particularly interesting.

Re:HostileWRT appears to have been cancelled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28263761)

This is bullshit. The HostileWRT presentation was not canceled. Note the name: "pathological liar"

Re:HostileWRT appears to have been cancelled (1)

pathological liar (659969) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267911)

Er, well, here's where I got that from [wikidot.com] .

If you have a better source, that's cool.

Re:HostileWRT appears to have been cancelled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268923)

It is a page from last year.

I told to the guys to create a new instance for the 2009 edition, but they did not listened to me :-)

This was last year, let's cross fingers HostileWRT will work this year :-)

Re:HostileWRT appears to have been cancelled (1)

pathological liar (659969) | more than 5 years ago | (#28277213)

Oh shit it is. It says 2009 at the top of the page and 2008 in grey-on-white text further down the page. My mistake.

Language ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28262999)

as it's in Paris, do people speak english there ?

for a while there... (0, Offtopic)

underqualified (1318035) | more than 5 years ago | (#28263009)

i actually thought they were referring to paris hilton.

Say Hi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28263605)

Everyone who gonna be there, say hi to the secret services for me :)

I thought Paris Hilton was hosting (1)

chazzzzy (238911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28263679)

When I first read the headline, I thought Paris Hilton would be hosting the event! Perhaps she's just been a hacker in disguise all of this time!

Oh well.

Re:I thought Paris Hilton was hosting (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 5 years ago | (#28264423)

"... and then you connect the 100 GbE jack into the 8600, and enter the 'nmap' command," she purrs softly...

Re:I thought Paris Hilton was hosting (1)

Chees0rz (1194661) | more than 5 years ago | (#28265113)

Sounded like an awesome Reality TV show...

Boobs and computers!!! *overload*

Paris Hilton, Worms, Viruses, Trojans...... (1)

motherpusbucket (1487695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28273977)

Actually Paris Hilton could be a good case study in worms, viruses, and Trojans (or lack thereof). In her case, if you don't have a Trojan, you get a virus.
Ironic.

Anyone else Picture Paris Hilton for a sec... (1)

c1one (830882) | more than 5 years ago | (#28263711)

Not having my coffee yet, my mind entered a warp zone like when your eyes can't focus on the wall.

I look forward to the ... (1)

troll8901 (1397145) | more than 5 years ago | (#28264305)

... Four Days and Three Nights in Paris!

HostileWRT has NOT been cancelled (1)

philtmp (1543777) | more than 5 years ago | (#28265509)

Just check the official Schedule ( http://www.hackerspace.net/schedule [hackerspace.net] ) and you'll see it's still there.

Hilton? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28266495)

Anyone else read the summary title as 'Paris Hosts the Second Hooker Space Festival' ?

I mean, I wouldn't put it past Ms. Hilton, and I was mostly disappointed I missed the first hooker space festival.

What a trooper! (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267369)

Paris Hosts the Second Hacker Space Festival

No matter what you think of her lifestyle or social antics, ya gotta give her kudos for taking on a whole festival...

Does that make it a hole festival?

three strikes (1)

KingBenny (1301797) | more than 5 years ago | (#28276629)

I hope they figure out, all they have to do is have Sarkozy download 3 mp3s from a spoofed ip ... that should take care of his three strikes once and for all after they cut off his internet access and take his 'crimes' to the press, without process ofcourse, after all, it's HIS law (or was it his wifes?)
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