Ask Slashdot: My Company Wants Me To Astroturf, Should I? 391
An anonymous reader writes "Posting as AC for obvious reasons. The company I work for put an app in an app store. The marketing people think it isn't selling very well, so they sent out an email asking people to get on all their social media sites and friend or like the app to build up traffic. The thing is, most of the employees have not used the app, but we are being asked to say that we like it. We just saw stories about companies not being allowed to ask employees or interview candidates for access to social sites, but what does it mean when a company asks employees to astroturf? Will the marketing or HR people look at who has astroturfed, and who has not at raise time? How would you deal with this?"
Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
Look, if Thorsten wants you to astroturf, he should at least offer some examples.
Re:Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
Find another job (Score:5, Insightful)
liars are liars.
Re:Find another job (Score:4, Funny)
liars are liars.
only until the go pro by winning an election.
Re:Find another job (Score:5, Insightful)
Go posting spam on boards and twitter or whatever and it's not only annoying, it's just plain unimaginative on your bosses' part.
Re:Find another job (Score:5, Insightful)
Right, I mean, if you don't even minutely like the product you're working on, you probably should find another job.
You had a hand in the product, no? There's some minor level of satisfaction, correct? That's all they're asking you to do: tell the world about the product.
On the other hand, if you want to keep your purity intact by not pimping a horrible product, how pure are you by taking income which comes from the sale of said product?
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You picked the right word there, 'DISCLOSURE'. No body really gives a crap if you astroturf on behalf of your company as long as you disclose your interest. You can stretch the truth and exaggerate a little as long as you do it in your name and disclose your interest.
Don't hide your direct interests in the product or company you are promoting, do go overboard in spreading the message and there's not a problem.
However when you choice to deceive right from the get go, hide or lie about your interests, ru
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I have noticed that dedicated liars like to assume that everyone else is a liar too. Despite what you may want to believe there actually are people who would only lie to save their own life or some other emergency situation. I haven't encountered many scenarios where lying was a life or death decision.
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Unless this is a "find the victim" app for paedophiles or something, why shouldn't you promote it? Now, if your company is asking you to do something against a web site's TOS then just don't, and explain why to your marketing department.
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I would say that if you're not prepared to support your company's product in any reasonable way, you should look for another job anyway.
Well, for any large company, it's possible, indeed likely, that I may be immensely proud of the project I am working on, while simultaneously either being unaware or even actively disliking the product of another department of a company.
when asked to commit propaganda (Score:5, Funny)
there is only one answer ...
We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude
Re:when asked to commit propaganda (Score:5, Funny)
Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Just point out to whoever's in charge that what you're being asked to do violates their policies and could potentially result in your company's app being pulled off of their app store altogether.
That really looks like you are making the threat to report the company to the app store.
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Why don't you just try the app? If you like it, you can share it on your facebook (assuming you're the type that would normally do so), and if you don't, you can provide your feedback like this: "I really want to share this app with my friends and such, but I can't, because there are some flaws that I really think we should try to fix. Here's what they are, with steps to reproduce. If we can fix these, I think I can recommend it in good conscience, and more importantly, our user base will begin to market on
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:4, Funny)
CA law?
Let me guess.. A stick of chewed gum in the foil wrapper?
An ethernet cable with a bad crimp?
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Anyway that was several years ago and that company we
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Report it to your attorney-general, to the blogs you're being asked to astroturf, and to the app store in question. It's consumer fraud.
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:4, Insightful)
I meant to send an anonymous email to the higher-ups, not to the app store, warning them about the fact that what they're asking the employees to do is immoral and possibly even illegal. Obviously they're going to know that it came from an employee, but how would they ever possibly prove which one? Witch trials?
I mean, unless there's some sort of notoriety or compensation desired here, why does the employees name ever have to be attached to anything at all? He's got a moral issue with something his employer is asking him to do; he can send an anonymous warning to the PHB now and, depending on whether it's ignored or the directive is rescinded, he can follow up with an anonymous warning to the app store in question about the astroturfing going on. If even that's not enough, he can post anonymously on the internet on forums and communities like /., not to mention in the app store itself.
If the OP works for a very small firm I can see how this may not be worth the risk, but if the OP is but one of many employees, there's really nothing I can think of they could do to possibly find out where the emails were coming from or who wrote them. I've even sent anonymous emails to employers in the past myself concerning things that were illegal or unethical. Sometimes something came of them, sometimes not, but at the end of the day, if you see something that is unethical, immoral, and especially illegal, I feel that you have a responsibility to bring it to people's attention, even if the person is signing your paychecks. The warning is just a courtesy.
I mean, how disrespectful can an employer be that they would ask their employees to do shit like this in the first place? Everyone here knows it's wrong, there's no question or ambiguity here. Clearly the OPs employer doesn't respect them if he'd put them in an ethical bind like this in the first place. Even though ethics and business are considered mutually exclusive these days, that doesn't make it right, nor acceptable. People need to be reminded of that.
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This strikes me as a very aggressive email and would only be appropriate if the work environment is already strained and management has shown that it can't be trusted to handle suggestions or discussion in a fair and open manner. Escalating the matter to HR and the general council before even opening a discussion is hostile.
Better to clarify first, go in friendly and assume ignorance rather than evil is behind the request. Maybe "reply all" something along the lines of "we might want to be careful since thi
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If the employer has any sense of ethics you will be fine.
Based on the original question, I think we already have the answer to this one, don't we?
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That's extortion, which is a felony.
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In my experience, these sort of requests come from middle-management types who don't actually get how things work. They see a problem (low sales) they think they see something that would help that (improve ratings on the app) and they have access to a resource (employees with social media accounts). They put Solution and Resource together and call it a day. Often times, the hint of ToS or even ethical violations never even enters their mind.
Of course, that doesn't mean that pointing it out won't still be ta
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, I'd go for the 3rd option. Just don't do it. I'm regularly asked to plug some thing where I work, and I just don't unless I really like whatever it is. I've never been approached as "I saw you didn't post about X". Most of the time, there are so many people in the company that it doesn't matter... If they do ask, it's really none of their business. It's your social networking account, not a company one. I don't see why they should have any jurisdiction over it.
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Informative)
That is my opinion of the subject. If you like the app, definitely support your company. If you don't like the app, just don't do anything. I've been places that they ask you to do that, and frankly, I can't be bothered unless I really like it. I've never had anyone call me out on it.
If they do call you out on it, it depends on how much you need the job right now, and what they will do to you if you don't. In my case, if they did insist, I'd feign ignorance of the requirement, and immediately promise to look into it, still fail to do it, and see if they notice. At that point, marketing eventually moves on to something else. If they do get deadly serious, apologize profusely for my oversight, put it up immediately and then start looking for another job. When they ask why I left, say something banal and nebulous and leave on good terms. No sense getting people like that to hate you, just remove them as carefully from your life as possible and move on.
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I am passionate about my ability to architect great network and server infrastructures, as well as developing good processes and specifications to make best use of the former. I may not be quite as excited about the actual application running on My Precious, even if it is what pays for my blade chassis, fat pipes, and storage arrays.
I used to work for one of the financial companies that everyone loves to hate (for good reason), but they sure did have some kick ass equipment. Stuff that you'd never even ha
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Funny)
I just tell them that I have no Facebook or Twitter account at all. Sometimes they look at me like I am lying and then I remind them that I am in IT and that we have no friends, as they so often claim :)
Works every time. I don't get asked by marketing to have anything to do with the "Social Networking".
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Putting the obvious moral issues aside, how loyal to this company are you? If the answer is "not very" then I think you already know what you should be doing (i.e, looking for another place of employment). If, however, you are a loyal employee, then suck it up & just do what they ask...finding a place to work that you actually enjoy is tough, especially in this economy.
Plus if they do come to ask about your astroturfing creds (they probably won't give two shits so none of this matters anyway) just tell them you do all of your product commentary as AC (for obvious reasons). And when you use the word obvious be sure to draw out the "O". They will know what you mean.
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:4, Insightful)
If that's the main product, and the employees won't use it then it makes no sense.
If it's not and it's supposed to help the employees with something, then why people doesn't try it.
If it is informational only, why not just using a website and call it done!
Seriously, doesn't seem to me that it's a problem of only the "company" or the "developers" or perhaps just "PR".
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
But companies don't have to take responsibility for the decisions they make.
To the poster:
If your company thinks the solution to an app that sucks is to have you astroturf, it's probably not likely that the company is going to be around that long, unless they happen to own a whole lot of patents and can stay in business by suing competitors, in which case they probably aren't going to need your development skills, right?
Simple advice: GTFO. Your word is all you've got. Once it gets out that you're an astroturfer (and it will) you're going to be wearing a scarlet "A" for "asswipe".
Re:Are you loyal? (Score:5, Insightful)
One more take on it, maybe the company is not doing so good in this economy, and are asking their employees to help drum up business so they don't have to lay people off, etc.
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If that were the case, I doubt the original poster would have been so uncomfortable with it.
Apps that are worthwhile but aren't selling are a lot more rare than junk that's got a spam campaign behind it.
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unless you're a programmer, in which case you can forget all this nonsense about the economy, unemployment, buyer's market, etc.
Anywhere else I'd assume you were joking, but as this is slashdot I'm not so sure. A lot of people here do seem to believe that their own god-like genius can overcome any hurdle, including the economy and reality itself.
How about advertising? (Score:2, Insightful)
Whatever happened to advertising a product? Spend money to make money and all that jazz.
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Whatever happened to advertising a product? Spend money to make money and all that jazz.
Costs too much. Just like in-house beta-testing. That's why the idea was born to release purposely-buggy software and let your (ahem) customers pay for the privilege of doing it for you. It's a small step from there to get people to do your shil... er, advertising for you for free.
The 21st century version is "Spend less and make more."
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Tolerance has begun to develop among the population. So marketers are looking for new ways into the brain.
Re:How about advertising? (Score:4, Informative)
Honestly I would prepare to leave the company not because of some moral code but for much simpler reasons. If you main revenue stream is selling apps and you are not selling them then the next shoe to fall is layoffs.
Re:How about advertising? (Score:5, Informative)
traditional advertising weakened significantly as people shifted to a 'social' model of judging if they should buy a product. Since the early inceptions of this idea were informative rather than spammy (your friend is playing this game, your brother likes bought this car). It was like a technological word of mouth, with some tools to help spread the word. Word of mouth was always valuable, it was just cost prohibitive to plant fake word of mouth people for everything. Now of course you can use your employees to count as warm bodies for your marketing department as 'likes' for their supposedly social advertising. In some ways this isn't new, how many companies offer employee discounts for example? You want your employees to be advertisers for your products, this just makes it official.
As a result advertising shifts. If people believe celebrities, hire celebrities, if people believe 'page views' or 'total number of likes' then you find ways to generate those things. If people tend to click the first result of a google search, you're the first result or you're trying to figure out how to get there.
'Advertising' is trying to get people to know about your product and want to buy it. That changes as technologies change. Right now people still (wrongly) believe that some sort of social liking of a product means it's worth owning, so you pay for that. Sometimes you pay for fake journalists, review scores, or whatever you think people will care about.
In the case of the OP his job has asked him to perform work as part of his duties. He should make a series of corporate social accounts that are for the employee Sir_Sri_CEOofSriCorp sort of thing. And use those for all company advertising. When his (or her) employment concludes transfer that professional employee persona to the employer, as it was done on their time and is their property.
One of my friends used to work at a radio station, where she had a brand that wasn't her name. When she left the radio station they claimed (correctly) ownership of the persona she had created at that station as part of her employment there. When she left she couldn't keep the name. She now does voice acting under a similar but not the same persona. (You can dodge this by creating a company that owns the persona you use, and then the contract that hires you hires your company which retains ownership). Someone like stephen colbert manages to maintain decidedly different personal and public profiles, as an employee it doesn't have to e quite as grandiose, but it's basically the same thing.
Astroturfing in social media (Score:5, Insightful)
As a fellow anonymous, representing the big E and the A, we get it in our inboxes daily to astroturf our products.
This seems to be a common practice nowadays, and I guess it shows you have some faith in your product. I have nothing against it as long as you like what you are doing. If you don't like astroturfing for your stuff, then don't.
What concerns me though is that you seem to be not very keen on this app. Care to elaborate why?
Re:Astroturfing in social media (Score:4, Informative)
As a fellow anonymous, representing the big E and the A, we get it in our inboxes daily to astroturf our products.
He's not being asked to astroturf. He's being asked to like the product. Astroturfing is when you post comments to blogs and in other places saying how great the product is ... not unlike the occasional product plug we see here in slashdot. It's a term that comes from a "fake grassroots organization". If you pretend to be some unaffiliated user who posts things like "hey, the solution to your problem is Spiffy Car and Cat wax, it will solve two problems at the same time..." you're astroturfing. If you simply click "like" on Facebook, you're not.
Do you actually not like the product your company makes, whether you use it or not? If not, don't like it. If so, what's the problem? You're not being fake.
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If you don't like your company's product, you should quit. You should really try to love your company and its products and recommend them to everyone in your acquaintance list. That's what is ultimately paying your paycheck in a few years and also it gives great satisfaction after working somewhere for many years. I agree it's hard to have that kind of relation with a big corporation, but seriously, for a start-up company there's nothing worse for the image than being run by a bunch of cynical bastards who
Re:Astroturfing in social media (Score:5, Insightful)
"He's not being asked to astroturf. He's being asked to like the product."
Astroturfing is astroturfing, no matter the form. Employees are being asked to falsely represent themselves as happily satisfied users of the product. That is astroturfing at its very essence. Whether you are doing it via blog posts or Facebook likes, you are still committing exactly the same ethical breach. There is no difference.
Not astroturfing if profile indicates employer (Score:3)
"He's not being asked to astroturf. He's being asked to like the product."
Astroturfing is astroturfing, no matter the form. Employees are being asked to falsely represent themselves as happily satisfied users of the product. That is astroturfing at its very essence. Whether you are doing it via blog posts or Facebook likes, you are still committing exactly the same ethical breach. There is no difference.
His point is that it is *not* astroturfing if your profile identifies you as an employee or otherwise being involved. Astroturfing involves hiding the involvement.
For example I have an iPhone / iPad app named Perpenso Calc [perpenso.com]. Its a calculator offering RPN, Scientific, Statistic, Business and Hex functionality. If I recommend it in a slashdot thread regarding calculator apps I am *not* astroturfing because my account name, "perpenso", indicates that I represent the publisher.
FWIW, I have not asked friend
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"They are being asked to "like" the product on a social website. This implies nothing about being a user."
Sites, not site. And I disagree. Liking does imply endorsement.
"One is fake, one is not. One says you are a happy user, one does not."
Not so. If they are not users of the product, "liking" it is misleading at best. It might only be a mild implied endorsement, but nevertheless it implies endorsement.
"I haven't had any Sugar smacks for twenty years. I would not say I am a "happy user", but I have no problem at all saying I "like" them."
And here you prove my point for me. You might not BE a "happy user", but you did at least use the product, and you do at least like it.
It's not the company's account (Score:3)
And therefore you can set whatever terms you want. They are in effect asking you to store company materials at your house. You cannot be required to provide the company storage. And if you do, you are able to be compensated. Your online property is no different.
If they want marketing, let them hire a marketing company.
Note that the site's terms of use may prohibit some or all actions as well.
Not A Good Sign (Score:5, Insightful)
Most people haven't used it? (Score:2)
The Joy of Evil (Score:3)
Go with the flow until you get a new job. Be able to pay your bills, but plan your exit strategy now. Take lower pay to switch if you can get by for a while on a lower salary (mortgages etc.).
Get copies of the emails asking for the dirty deeds and hide them at home in case.
I've worked for slimeballs also before, so I feel for you.
Good luck.
welcome to the modern age (Score:5, Insightful)
A few startups ago, the marketing teams entire plan was "lean on your personal social networks". They'd have been better off standing outside handing out flyers.
If you like the app and think it's useful then it doesn't hurt to promote it a little. If it's just some crap, then don't bother - you'll just desensitize your friends and contacts.
Just saying "I'm working on app X, it's going pretty well!" is subtle and non-annoying, curious people will check it out.
Anyway, a company asking employees to lean heavily on friends/family for promotion is a sure-fire sign of a failed marketing vision in my book, a problem in the business side of the house.
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I sorta can see personal networks function if you're trying to start up a local business, that there's a new restaurant/clothes shop/computer repair shop in town, tell all your friends and family and everyone you know. Apps? Hello, most of them are $1-3 each and you need to be making sales far outside the town your little office is in. And unless it's a competitive game and we're looking for buddies to play, nobody bothers to talk about $1 apps. Besides, most people will know where you work and people take
Short answer: (Score:2)
No. Shilling is worse than trolling in my mind. If you must hype your product, at least be honest enough to let people know you're an employee.
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Shilling is to be expected though. I only read critical reviews if I need information-- after seeing that info, you can decide on what may be wrong with the product. Then, you have to check the neutral and positive reviews to see if it just sour grapes (or stupidity, or inherent negativity). All this for a $0.99 app does make me hate the astroturfers, but once you accept it as a necessary evil it isn't that hard to work around.
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If you must hype your product, at least be honest enough to let people know you're an employee.
This isn't just a good idea. It's the law!
The revised Guides [ftc.gov] specify that while decisions will be reached on a case-by-case basis, the post of a blogger who receives cash or in-kind payment to review a product is considered an endorsement. Thus, bloggers who make an endorsement must disclose the material connections they share with the seller of the product or service.
Meh.. just tell your friends and move on with it. (Score:2, Troll)
Tell your friends you're astroturfing outside of the social networking sites and move on with your life.
Tracking all employees? (Score:3)
Do they have a catalog of all the employees social media links? How would they know who did advertise and who didn't?
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Maybe this is yet-another-example-of-why-not-to-use-facebook. I can't astroturf for my company on my personal social networking accounts when I don't have any.
Honesty (Score:5, Insightful)
Try the app. See if it's really worth saying good things about. If so, I'd go ahead and praise it as deserved. If not, send a message to the sales/QA/service department as appropriate saying why you can't promote the app. Keep a copy of that message just in case you have to show that you were fired for raising an ethical concern.
Of course, encourage others to do the same, and mention your plan to superiors. They might just admire your behavior, and suggest it to more of the company. Few managers really want to be the guy to let a bad PR situation loose, so they might jump at the chance to prove they're more ethical than that nasty sales department - especially if the app is actually decent, and there's a good chance it'll get astroturfed anyway.
Re:Honesty (Score:4, Interesting)
In any case I wonder if these programs really work. If a product is popular, the competition has an equal right to state honestly everything they think is bad about a product. In the end all we have is an arms race where the outcome is determined by advertising resources, not quality of product. And then we back where we started from.
Re:Honesty (Score:5, Informative)
Twice, actually. Once it was actually my project being shilled (I liked the project and thought it was useful - though I did end up getting fired from there, I'll still gladly tout its benefits in the appropriate context), and once I hadn't bothered trying the product. The latter one sucked, and I told the other team exactly why, and how I thought it could be improved. I got called into a meeting with other employees who'd complained, and the project lead took notes while we ran through the demo showing what we didn't like. The project went back for another round of revisions, and eventually came out much better for it. I never talked about the project publicly, and didn't get fired, either.
Dishonest ass-kissing will get you promoted, because you make bosses like you personally. Honest critiquing with respect for politics will get you respect, because you show that you're dedicated to the company goals.
One way (Score:5, Insightful)
You could always try the app yourself then give it an honest review. If you genuinely like it, it's not astroturfing.
If you don't like it, you could consider feeding that back to the developers as that may reveal more fundamentally why it's not selling well.
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You're being asked to "like" it? (Score:5, Insightful)
So are we just talking about clicking the "Like" button on Facebook? That doesn't sound terrifically evil. It's not unusual for people to "like" something they don't like, and so I wouldn't even really consider it dishonest. Like I "like" one of my friend's websites, but... you know, it's just because it's my friend's site. My work has asked me to make use my LinkedIn Profile shows that I work where I do, in case the company gets looked up.
Also, are they simply asking you to do it, or are they somehow monitoring everyone's accounts to make sure they do it, and then threatening some kind of response if you don't "like" their product? If they're just asking, and you don't want to do it, then don't do it.
This doesn't seem like a serious problem.
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This doesn't seem like a serious problem.
Unless they are asking him to join Facebook...
Don't lie (Score:3)
My advice is, don't lie. Try out the app and, if you like it, promote it, but don't lie about it.
Shouldn't the Employees be familiar with the Ap? (Score:3)
If the company's employees aren't familiar with the Ap (which seems strange as it is something they are all getting at least some of their salary on) shouldn't this be indication one for the marketeers that it isn't very good? Maybe it's for an obscure market or target customer, but I would still think that people had opinions on it if it was useful in any way.
When I think back to the various companies at which I have worked, *everybody* had an opinion of the company's products and generally used them.
If the majority of employees have no experience with it, I would think the most positive action the company could take would be to fire the Ap's product manager because if the Ap can't generate any interest in the company, then clearly it's NFG.
myke
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You should use the product (Score:2)
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Why do you work for a company who's products you don't use? Is the app too expensive, or just not something that is suited to your life? Frankly if neither you nor your colleagues use a product your company created, why does the company think anyone will use it?
Many jobs ago over the summer I worked IT for a place that provided emergency 24x7 repair service for industrial cranes (like those things you see moving shipping containers at seaports and building skyscrapers, nothing under, say, 10 tons capacity) Obviously I had no use for their service, but I could easily intelligently evaluate what it would be like to be their customer, and compare them to similar emergency service providers and I knew a little bit about the competition and their strengths and weaknes
The crux is enforcement. (Score:2)
If they were truely black hat, they'd be creating spoof accounts and autoposting from a quiet room where no one can see it. Asking people to, you know, use your product and, maybe, talk about it isn't even that shady.
Asking, sure. Enforcing, that's something else. But I suspect they won't do much. The employer doesn't have all that much leverage there, because it's all happening out in the public. Not hard to blow the whistle on this, and the various marketplaces can nuke a product without recourse, which i
This is how the world works (Score:5, Insightful)
Get used to it. Everybody does it and much of what you think of as news (especially tech news) is networked people astro turfing for each other.
If you think some of your friends will find it interesting, why not? Just serve your friends well. Use the app and be honest about what you like about it. If you can't stand it, just mention the app without saying you like it.
It is somewhat self serving and it may feel dirty but you are helping your company and yourself and informing your friends who may be interested and so everyone benefits. This is how the world works.
Maybe actually TRY the app? (Score:2)
How about you actually TRY the app? If it's good, go ahead an give it a favorable review, but include full disclosure that you're an employee. That way there is no question of whether you're astroturfing or not.
It's only wrong if you lie. (Score:2)
If you do a review of the product, do a review of the product.
If it sucks, call it out, if it's great then point out it's qualities.
If the product sucks your job is on the line anyway, the only way that your job will still be there is if the product is actually good so you might as well tell the truth, and if the truth sucks get going on that resume.
Inability to Understand Social Media? (Score:2)
Just be completely honest (Score:2)
You need money, so play both sides. (Score:2)
You work for evil cocksuckers, but need money. Astroturf on expendable accounts, while systematically and __untraceably__ documenting all the astroturfing you can find.
Leak the info at your convenience. You get paid, they get fucked, life is good. There is no moral obligation to companies which astroturf.
I would not take this lightly (Score:2)
I'd hire a lawyer and have them fire off a terse letter reminding them that my political views are my private business and they can go fuck themselves. Oh, and by the way, my refusal to participate in their bogus political scheme had better not affect my prospects for a raise or advancement or there will be hell to pay. Have a nice day.
Your job will probably disappear. (Score:2)
Obviously selling the product is a concern for your employer. This means it is a concern for you. If your employer cannot make money, how do you expect them to pay you? I'm not telling you to lie, or make anything up, but why aren't you being proactive about this and asking for the app to use for your own? Unless you hate your company, then expect to be let go for some other reason.
Just be honest. (Score:2)
Well, I'd say, do this:
Is the app actually any good? Does it do what it's supposed to? Does it have a target audience that would like it, but might not be aware of it?
If so, promote it honestly. Tell the truth:"I work for this company, and I'm proud of the product we make. If you want an app that does blah, you should try this one out. It's nifty, and I stand behind the work my company and my co-workers have done on it."
If not... just look for a new job. If you think your company is making crap, you're prob
This isn't astroturfing. (Score:5, Informative)
Re: (Score:3)
Basic Office Skills (Score:5, Insightful)
When marketing (or most anyone else) sends an email to the entire company, ignore it. Duh.
You already know the answer. (Score:2)
If you have moral difficulties with something outside the scope of your employment agreement and/or job responsibilities, then don't do it.
Normally someone doesn't have to ask me to astroturf a project I'm working on. I want my company to be a viable source of employment so their bottom line is my bottom line. The more money I make them, the more money there is around raise time, whether they're keeping a naughty or nice list or not. Keeping that in mind, I'm usually very eager to promote things I'm wor
Not using it isn't that odd.... (Score:2)
I see a lot of "If the employees don't use it, it must be crap!" comments here, which makes me wonder a little about what kinds of jobs people hold. Most of my professional career has been spent writing code for products I would never personally use -- vertical market software for large financial institutions, for example, or custom databases for people with very specific needs. To pick something at random, an app which helps people layout and plan gardens is not necessarily an app most of the programmers w
Simple (Score:2)
When asking slashdot, use the company name. Backlash will stop this nonsense.
I'd try the app (Score:3)
If it's good, I'd say so. If it sucks, well, then I'd have some thinking to do. Of course, if a company is relying on ME to do their PR, it's probably near bankruptcy anyway. :-P
huh? (Score:2)
The root of the issue... (Score:3)
If you are here asking the question as to what you should do... then I think you already know that answer.
And that answer is to get a better job, with someone you enjoy working for. Or at least, someone who won't make you want to shower every time you come home at night to wash the slime off. Yes, it's a tough economy -- but it got that way by the immoral actions of the minority. They way out of it, is not by further immoral actions.
And at risk of Godwinning the thread, the "only obeying orders" is an excuse, never a defense. You are responsible for your own moral actions. Internally, for your own peace of mind -- and in the eyes of the law.
Is it any good? (Score:3)
Give the app a try. Perhaps you'll actually like it and ease your dilemma.
They never learn do they? (Score:3)
One approach - just point out that spamming social media with ilikes from a single source will very likely backfire and
get the company *bad* publicity (...and hint that marketroids might lose *their* jobs) .
Might even scare them a bit (wipes crocodile tear from eye....)
Andy
(Yes it is *personal* accounts, but a big batch in one go is a dead giveaway)
How would you deal with this? (Score:3)
How would you deal with this?
Morally? Try out the app. Write what you really think. If you don't like it, either don't say anything, or tell the company what you didn't like. Maybe they can use your input to improve the thing. Worse comes to worst, tell them that at least now they know you're truthful when you tell them something.
~Loyal
Think of it this way... (Score:3)
I think this is sort of like asking Slashdot whether or not you should jerk off in public to drum up business because your employer asks you.
And the answer is of-course it depends.
It depends on - in no particular order:
- Is it in line with your morals and ethics?
- Can it be construed to be part of your job description?
- Is it legal in the jurisdiction you are in?
- Does it pay well?
- Would you enjoy doing it?
- Do you need the money?
- What happens if you refuse?
- Do you have other offers?
Answer these questions to your self, and you probably know what to do.
Like (Score:3)
A) Should I like the product?
Yes, unless you totally hate it. If you like it, then like it. If you haven't seen it, well it is YOUR companies product, so you like it right? I mean in some sense it is making you money, so why not like it? Obviously if you feel it is a piece of crap, then don't like it. Otherwise what is the problem?
B) Will there be repercussions if you don't like it? As in will some PR drone go through the list and see who liked it?
I guess that is a remote possibility, but if you are the paranoid, you might want to look for another job (to relieve your stress levels). Your company doesn't really care if you click the like button or not. They just want the like # to be larger.
If you feel THAT strongly about it, then don't like it. But from the sound of it, there are other issues going on at your company you need to resolve.
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
I recommend Group B. I've been using Group B for years, and they've never let me down. Anytime I had a problem, I just called the toll free number (and got a human!), and they took care of my problem within a couple of minutes.
Highly recommended. Group B FTW.
Re:Nope (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't say that I would do it.
The problem is the original poster, not the policy, at least so far. The original poster is an epic fail because:
The thing is, most of the employees have not used the app
You have to do that before you can decide what to do with:
we are being asked to say that we like it.
Note that you don't have to like the genre to say the product is best in class, or at least somewhat "like-able". Many years ago I was asked my opinion of an ethnic food product my former employer sold; I can't stand that kind of stuff, but I could honestly say my employers individual product was an excellent example of the genre. If I had to eat this junk in general, this is the one I'd eat. This is your out if the app is something like a female ovulation calendar app or kids educational app or whatever.
I deleted my facebook account years ago, but the social norm at the time was some dude you sat next to in 8th grade once is a "friend" and anything vaguely novel is "like", so its not as if they're asking you to get a tattoo on your forehead or become a booth babe. The standard for "like" an app is probably "it didn't make my phone catch fire, so thats good enough".
If its just too rancidly repulsive to appeal to you, or in your opinion, anyone, you need to run like hell and start emailing resumes because:
1) They're obviously grasping at straws if its so awful they have to pay people $75K/yr (or whatever) to grudgingly admit they like it.
2) After grasping at straws comes the layoffs, downsizing, bankruptcies, etc, next week. So get a jump to it.
Re: (Score:3)
It sounds like you're probably misinterpreting what they said. Try the app and if you like it, post about it, and disclose your relationship as "working for the company, but not developing the product". No harm no foul. They have no way to track this.
What the coward said! If you actually use the app (if you work for these guys, why aren't you eating your own dog food?), you can make some sort of judgement about its quality. If it's a piece of garbage, you need to let the devs and managers know about it so they can make it better.
Since you work for these people, once you try the app you should (You'd hope) be able to say at least a couple of nice things about it ("It doesn't wipe my phone" or "Didn't exacerbate my diarrhea" etc, etc, etc). Then you're
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You're not getting paid, because your ass isn't big enough.