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Security Flaw Hits VAserv; Head of LxLabs Found Hanged

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the jerks-with-computers-elaborately-shrug dept.

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Keldrin_1 writes "The discovery of 24 security vulnerabilities may have contributed to the death of the chief of LxLabs. A flaw in the company's HyperVM software allowed data on 100,000 sites, all hosted by VAserv, to be destroyed. The HyperVM solution is popular with cheap web hosting services and the attacks are easy to reproduce, which could lead to further incidents."

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Well (4, Insightful)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265731)

I guess there's not much to say...

Re:Well (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265865)

i hope this first post gets modded redundant.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266047)

You know, I was just trying to show some compassion. I find it sad that someone could be that much desperate. I personnaly found my brother hung in his bedroom 10 years ago, so

I guess there's not much to say...

takes a very different meaning to me than the moderators or you could have seen in this comment.

Re:Well (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266243)

Your brother founded VMWare?

Re:Well (5, Informative)

tattood (855883) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265889)

TFA: "Ligesh [from LxLabs] was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago."

I suspect that this was the result of a lot of bad things going on in his life, and not just because of the software issues.

Re:Well (5, Interesting)

espamo (1061728) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266439)

TFA: "Ligesh [from LxLabs] was also still coming to terms with the suicides by hanging of his sister and mother five years ago."

I suspect that this was the result of a lot of bad things going on in his life, and not just because of the software issues.

And very likely a genetic predisposition to suicide [scienceblog.com] as well.

Re:Well (2, Insightful)

siloko (1133863) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265915)

A lot of stuff was going on in this guys life which suggests his demise wasn't simply down to exploits found in his software - from the article it appears that both his mother and sister committed suicide a few months ago, he also recently lost a large contract. That being said I can't imagine the news of VAserv (which relied on Ligesh's HyperVM, the exploited software) losing data on upto 10,000 virtual servers helping much.

There's yer problem... (1, Insightful)

slower (795718) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265737)

From TFA:

Some 50 percent of Vaserv's customers signed up for unmanaged service, which doesn't include data backup...

Why? Why!?

Re:There's yer problem... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265797)

Backup your own damn data. If you trust your webhoster to do it for you, you're a lost cause.

Re:There's yer problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266353)

maybe it was a lot cheaper, this is the internet.

A head found hanged? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265739)

How do you hang a head? A head doesn't have a neck let alone a body from which could be hung a rope.

TL;DR FAKE, murder set up by M$ and the RIAA. Hope this goes to court.

Re:A head found hanged? (0, Redundant)

The Slashdot Guy (793685) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265869)

You screw a hook into the head, then hang it where you'd like. Try to think these things through in the future.

Narrow escape (2, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265761)

Just closed an account with VAserv last week for no particular reason.
I hardly ever do things for "no particular reason" so it must have been my spider sense.

Will this be a case of good bye reputation, or no publicity is bad publicity?

Well (4, Funny)

Zashi (992673) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265771)

That's one way to dodge all those bug reports...

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265897)

Yea, Jesus. Someone take their job a little too seriously?

If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266079)

If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.

Probably good advice generally, but I wonder how many of those defaulting on their mortgages due to a layoff will react positively to hearing it.

Sometimes that shitty job is all you've got.

Re:Well (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266231)

Sure but there *are* other jobs, sure, it might mean taking a job in something that isn't your specialty, taking a job thats "lower than you", etc. But if you really are /that/ stressed about your job, even a job at McDonalds might be better even if that means you can't afford that 50 inch plasma.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

johnsonav (1098915) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266441)

But if you really are /that/ stressed about your job [...]

It might not have anything to do with on-the-job stress. It seems that there were some other things going on in his life at the time. Lots of people, when their personal lives go to shit, begin to define themselves, more and more, by their jobs. When the rest of their life sucks, their job is where they are valuable, potent, skilled, respected, and needed.

If you lose that, and you begin to think that your job performance is just as terrible as your performance in the rest of your life, That's when you find people at risk for suicide; they've just had their last leg kicked out from underneath them.

For some people, a job is the only good thing in their life. Failing at that, as they perceive they've failed at every other aspect of life, is sometimes enough to drive someone over the edge. And no, a job at McDonald's won't mitigate that feeling.

Re:Well (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266323)

If you ever seriously think of killing yourself over your job, it's time to get a new job.

Probably good advice generally, but I wonder how many of those defaulting on their mortgages due to a layoff will react positively to hearing it.

The same rule can be applied to mortgages, and, really, any material possession or circumstance. If it can be destroyed, you should be prepared to live without it. In fact, you should enjoy it all the more while you have it: "It's the transience of life which lends it such poignancy", as someone once said.

Re:Well (1, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266373)

Normally I hate fuzzy continental philosophy, but this is the time to trot out the existentialism.

All that shit is meaningless. House, car, job, social standing, everything. Your family matters, your life matters. You get too hung up on that material bullshit, to the point where you take your own life rather than alter your social circumstances? That's pathetic.

Yea, its a step. A huge change. But there could be anything on the other side of that door, things you never even knew you wanted because you were so blinded by what you had and what you thought you had to have.

Don't get blinded by the habits of your life to the point where you think your job and the lifestyle it supports is worth more than your life. The only thing constraining your choices is you, and the fear of unknown consequences.

Re:Well (0, Offtopic)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266103)

Killing myself is my job, you insensitive clod!

(I work at a cult and I'm the virgin sacrifice on Thursdays [cause no one on /. would believe me if I said I was not a virgin])

Re:Well (-1, Offtopic)

Barny (103770) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266151)

Don't worry if your sick that day, I am sure we could find another virgin here to sacrifice instead...

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266319)

"Killing myself is my job, you insensitive clod!"

Obviously, you're not very good at it. Time to find a new job.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266407)

If I had to find a new job right now, I would just kill myself!!

oh wait...

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266329)

It's not just a matter of getting another job. Sometimes it's a matter of realizing that your job....ANY job....does not define you. As soon as your job becomes the centerpiece of your life, you're setting yourself up for stress.

It took me years to realize that as long as I have a roof over my head (any roof...not the McMansion that makes you feel better about your life than the poor saps you went to school with....even an apartment is better than a park bench), and my wife and kids have food, I have everything that I need. If a lower paying, less stress job helps me maintain that, then that's what I'll do. The job is simply not important.

I really feel for this guy. I hope he didn't burden a family with this.

Re:Well (3, Interesting)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266427)

Agreed but I think that kind of situation or attitude is more prevalent than we think. People build their lives around different things. Their "work" (as in the product of their effort, not as in what they do from 9 to 5) becomes their lives. This is especially true of the creative types such as artists and writers but also software engineers. In many ways, software engineering or engineering in general is a hybrid between the arts and the sciences with room for creativity and personal touches. I work with a good group of engineers who are very passionate about their work, much more so than our paychecks can account for. I've seen the same passion turn into despair in bad times as well. Engineers also compound this problem by not being the most social people in the world. Having a network of people to connect to can really soften the pain when things don't go well. Most engineers don't commit suicide but the rate of burning out is rather high.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266403)

In retrospect, he has become an hero and should be considered among the many brave an heroes.

Also, anyone know what he dropped?

Mixed feelings (4, Interesting)

JeffSpudrinski (1310127) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265795)

You can't truly blame Milw0rm for a person being depressed and committing suicide.

However, reading their security notes on it, they did hear back from the developer...they simply declared that it didn't happen fast enough and decided unilaterally that the "Vendor appears uninterested".

I have very mixed feelings on security firms releasing exploits to the public just to try and get results. In my (admittedly limited) experience, more bad has come from releasing exploits publicly than good.

-JJS

Re:Mixed feelings (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265849)

The vendor wasn't interested enough to download the specific details and data made available privately within 2 weeks, and just stalled with brief email non-statements. There's your 'not interested' right there. Sad that the guy killed himself, though; no business problem is worth that.

Re:Mixed feelings (5, Informative)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266039)

I have very mixed feelings on security firms releasing exploits to the public just to try and get results. In my (admittedly limited) experience, more bad has come from releasing exploits publicly than good.

-JJS

But once you've informed the supplier, and allowed enough time for a fix to be created, tested, rolled into a patch, QAed, released to clients and tested+installed by clients, what other alternative is there? Quietly forgetting about it and just hoping that you are the only people who know about the issue and no black-hats out there will find it is simply not an option.

Re:Mixed feelings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266155)

There is another option: You could publish that there is a working exploit (which you are not going to release), yet the vendor has not fixed the bug despite having been notified of it. If you are in an educational mood, explain that whatever you found can be found by people with less noble interests as well, so the software should be considered compromised, regardless of you publishing the exploit or not.

Re:Mixed feelings (3, Insightful)

drachenfyre (550754) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266211)

Why is it not an option? It isn't the best option, which is to announce that an exploit exists, but not release the details. I'm not blaming their actions for the guy's death, but the people who lost servers and data have every right to be angry. It would have been far easier for them to announce that an exploit exists so customers could get out of a bad position instead of releasing the code which guarantees the end result we see here (For the customer, not the owner of LxLabs)

Re:Mixed feelings (2, Interesting)

Zashi (992673) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266109)

Actually thanks to cyber-bullying laws I think you can.

Re:Mixed feelings (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266191)

I think there's a difference between verbally bullying a vulnerable 14 year old with a fake account and releasing details of actual vulnerability in a piece of software written by a company owned by a 32 year old.

But, I agree with you that cyber-bullying laws are really problematic.

Re:Mixed feelings (2, Interesting)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266347)

You can't truly blame Milw0rm for a person being depressed and committing suicide.

No, you truly can. You can't blame it for 100% of the problem, but without doubt, people who make viruses are preying on others. What outcome to you expect, when those preyed upon are already struggling just to get through the day and raise their kids or whatever?

Can we stick to the tech? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265803)

According to the article, there have been other suicides in the family a few years ago. Let's just discuss tech, and let the personal stay personal.

Completely tasteless (-1, Flamebait)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265805)

Hanged? He wasn't friends with David Carradine, was he?

Re:Completely tasteless (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265883)

As yous said, utterly and completely tasteless. someone mod this comment to oblivion

Re:Completely tasteless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266297)

Thank God there's people like you to uphold our high standards of taste here on Slashdot by inviting abusive moderation.

You may have noticed there isn't a "tasteless" mod. Well, I'm here to enlighten you this is primarily because they couldn't agree whether it should be -1 or +1.

Re:Completely tasteless (1)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266431)

The purpose of the site is to talk about science and technology, not to see how creatively you can offend people. These wretched posts we're talking about contribute nothing productive and should be hidden.

Vulnerability disclosure (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265807)

For those of you that claim that the disclosure of vulnerabilities when there is no vendor fix leads to more secure software - I say bullshit.

From the article -

[i]Milw0rm went public with an alert on the vulnerability last Thursday after failing to hear back from LxLabs in what it considered to be a timely manner.[/i]

What exactly IS a timely manner? Bottom line - milw0rm wanted their 'props', and now a man is dead because of it. milw0rm has NO interest in secure software.

VM Attacks (2, Informative)

barfy (256323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265819)

Had been posited for about 2-3 years now. It is actually amazing that this was such a brutal attack.

The dangers of these attacks had always been stealth related, because it is nearly impossible for the machine to SEE the vm manager. Which makes these things even more dangerous than rootkits.

Re:VM Attacks (5, Interesting)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266177)

Actually, this has almost nothing to do with attacking VMs and more to do with the simple fact that LxLab's code is an extremely poorly written piece of crap from a security standpoint that leaves the VM wide open to attack. Having read through the 24 sample exploits when they were first published on milw0rm, the errors are pretty damn fundamental and indicate a complete ignorance of many of the established best practices in secure coding. It was just a matter of time before one of LxLab's users got hit and hit hard; frankly I'm surprised it took so long.

The only thing that I found surprising about the attack on VAserv is that the perpetrator decided to blow away the servers instead of subvert them for sending spam or hosting related websites; 100,000 web hosts have got to be worth quite a few dollars on the right market. While it sucks to be VAserv or one of their customers right now, it's probably better things went this way than the alternative for everyone else. Of course, it's just a matter of time before the next users of LxLabs HyperVM gets hit - if they haven't been already - and at least some of them are almost certainly going to be end up doing something less than legitimate.

Re:VM Attacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266265)

Wow you're so far outside your depth on this that it's almost painful to read. The only VM-specific threat vectors are guest-to-host escalations and host-to-guest leakages. These vulnerabilities are occasionally discovered in VM implementations from numerous vendors, including VMWare, Xen, and VirtualBox. There's been no positing "for 2-3 years" because there have been known bugs that were found, reported, and fixed. However, none of that has anything to do with this hack. This was simply an extremely poorly designed and written administration console and provisioning scripts; it had nothing whatsoever to do with the actual virtualization code.

Suicide is better than the Bahamas (1, Troll)

Prien715 (251944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265821)

While suicide should never be celebrated, there's a certain honor in doing it as a result of professional failure.

As opposed to you know, screwing the company over, taking a huge bonus, and running to the Bahamas (*cough* AIG, Bank of America, Chase, GM, WaMu *cough*)

Re:Suicide is better than the Bahamas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266097)

troll

My condolences (5, Insightful)

elnyka (803306) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265825)

My condolences to Mr. Ligesh's family.

Re:My condolences (1)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265947)

A good chunk of the rest of his family hanged themselves as well a few years back, it seems. I don't think the whole vulnerability thing was more than just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Depressed person with problems kills himself (4, Informative)

hattig (47930) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265833)

Sounds like the guy needed some more help than he got to get to grips with his personal situation. Anyway ...

The flaws include SQL injection vulnerabilities and flaws that create a way for hackers to gain file access to files hosted on a vulnerable system.

There is no excuse for SQL Injection vulnerabilities these days. The problem is well known and publicised, the solutions are well documented. This is a problem that is solved by altering how you code, that results in neater code with less errors. If you can't use prepared/parameterised statements and insist on building SQL command strings out of user supplied data, then ... well, err, I can't say "you deserve to hang" in this case can I?

Re:Depressed person with problems kills himself (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265861)

The problem is well known and publicised, the solutions are well documented.

Agreed. It's like asking someone their preference between ignorance or apathy; "I don't know and I don't care."

Re:Depressed person with problems kills himself (2, Informative)

Saija (1114681) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266009)

There is no excuse for SQL Injection vulnerabilities these days.

I just wish that be truth, right now i'm using some "connection db class" in c# made by someone else, wich expects the sql commands to be executed be concatenated strings, no SqlParameters or whatsoever, no, just single and dangerous sql commands concatenateds, and there's no way in hell i could change that class for something better

Re:Depressed person with problems kills himself (1)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266125)

right now i'm using some "connection db class" in c# made by someone else

Don't use crappy libraries you pulled off some web forum then. Always be suspicious of third party libraries and only use the highest-quality ones.

concatenated strings, no SqlParameters or whatsoever, no, just single and dangerous sql commands concatenateds

Yes, this is a shitty API. But it's still no excuse for SQL injection. You can always quote any variable pieces of information before using them to construct the SQL string. You could also just write a small string parser and implement variable substitution yourself. (It'd take less than 50 lines of code.)

If you can't do either of these things, well, you have no business being a programmer.

Re:Depressed person with problems kills himself (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266145)

Of course there is. You just do it. In C# especially, it's not that hard.

Oh? What's that? You have a lot of places it's used? Tough shit. Do it right.

It may have been genetic (4, Interesting)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265839)

His sister and mother both committed suicide by hanging 5 years ago. He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.

Culturally, Indians have a very heavy emphasis on honor and responsibility. The failure of the software is only the outermost layer of true damage. Each of those compromised VMs is a failure to satisfy a customer at best, and a grave violation of the trust between vendor and customer.

When it comes to suicide, why hanging? It seems like a really hard way to go. Maybe the person wants to suffer to pay back his debts before death.

Re:It may have been genetic (1)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265891)

Depends on one's access to weapons and forethought really. If it's got to happen RIGHT NOW and there's not a firearm handy hanging might seem like the best idea.

Re:It may have been genetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265967)

He may have had a genetic propensity towards suicide.

That would be a very difficult trait to pass to your children. Don't you think?

Re:It may have been genetic (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266143)

Not really. Plenty of people commit suicide in their late 20s or later, which leaves a decent slice of breeding time, depending on how early you start. Particularly with modern social structures(where orphans are incrementally less likely to starve in Dickensian workhouses) you can fairly easily pump out surviving children at greater than replacement rate, even if you are dead by 30.

Also, a "propensity" toward suicide isn't necessarily fatal, depending on life conditions. If you don't run into much serious stress, a tendency to respond badly to stress is largely harmless. If your son gets it and runs into a series of nasty business reversals, it'll bite him.

Re:It may have been genetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266285)

It would certainly be possible to pass on the trait if suicide tended to happen around or after the age when one would have children.

And in this case, that is what happened.

His *mother* killed herself... but only after having had and raised at least two children. Both of whom went on to kill themselves.

You would not expect such a genetic defect (trait towards suicide) to be common, given its maladaptive nature, and it is not. That is how genetic defects work.

Re:It may have been genetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266385)

Like homosexuality, right?

Re:It may have been genetic (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265977)

Easy, quick, can make a noose out of the nearest curtain cord, certain (if nobody discovers you for a few minutes).

I can only wish that despicable people from our own culture would show honor. But, all that was beaten out of us and now a man who uses a word like 'honor' in public would be giggled at.

Re:It may have been genetic (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266015)

What do you attach the noose to that can support 150+ pounds?

Are you saying this guy is despicable?

Re:It may have been genetic (0, Troll)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266171)

Are you saying this guy is despicable?

Are you saying that the GP is WORSE THAN HITLER?

Disturbed ? (1)

Saija (1114681) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265843)

I think that guy was just disturbed, and the loss of all that info in the 100k sites just increased his illness:
Techie hangs himself in HSR Layout [indiatimes.com]

Neighbours confirmed that Ligesh didn't have many friends and didn't interact with anyone. Often, he'd sleep with the house door open. On his social networking site page, he wrote that his ambition was to kill God and he was an anti-Christ.

Re:Disturbed ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266215)

he wrote that his ambition was to kill God

A couple members of an X'th percentile society, where X is close to 100, and percentile obviously refers to their IQ scores [mensa.org], that I had interactions with, suffered from the notion that they where in fact God. Now one could argue that they made these pronouncements purely for the sake of argumentation, but their actions often left one with the distinct impression that they, at least, where True Believers in their religion. Combine the notion that you are God (which I'm not saying Ligesh necessarily suffered from) with the ambition to kill God, and you've got some very depressed individual....

Damn... (1)

SalaSSin (1414849) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265877)

Not only that, but TFA states that his mother and sister had committed suicide too 5 years before.

I can imagine that makes a man wonder...


Still, how can anyone subscribe for a hosting solution without backup?
That's like putting your mission critical servers in a garden shed with holes in the roof.
F*ing stupid.

Re:Damn... (4, Funny)

Chatterton (228704) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266057)

That's like putting your mission critical servers in a garden shed with holes in the roof.

What??? It's not a cheap way to get my server water cooled???

Could this explain my high hardware failure?

Suicide? (0, Flamebait)

pluther (647209) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265901)

He killed himself just because of massive failures in his company?

Why can't more CEOs follow his example?

potential upside (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265917)

Hopefully the sites lost were those abandoned blogs, even better if they were active blogs.

Sad (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265925)

I'm really sad that he hanged himself. Even if he was a total douche-bag (and I have no idea either way), this wasn't a reason for someone to die.

But by killing himself, he likely devastated a amily who loved him.

At the very least, he should have resigned. If he felt the need to make amends, he could have dedicated his remaining life to teaching, serving the poor and oppressed, or generally living a quiet life where he helped the people around him.

For him to judge that his life was such a failure that he had to rob himself and the world of his remaining years seems like a tragic mistake.

Good Riddance (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265957)

Now if we could get all those Indian telemarketers and support people to do the same.

Brilliant Idea! (2, Insightful)

ShanxT (1280784) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266259)

Why don't you round them up, put identifying badges on them, and then try killing them yourse-
Oh wait.

Godwin's law, dammit.

Uh Oh (0, Offtopic)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 4 years ago | (#28265991)

The Antichrist has been made manifest!

The Illuminati is now eliminating the few members that participated in the summoning of the Zhug Jung Kai entity. Notice that both Carridine and now this poor man have ben hung to prevent the Ruthi spirit escaping their lungs, damning the Ruthi to eternity until the Zhug Jung Kai consumes them.

With the spawn of evil growing in power it will force the Illuminati to desparate measures. It falls to you adventure to put a stop to this!

Seek out the Oracle of Shando who currently is posing as Steve Jobs. He will not reval his true self unless you posess the Diamond Apple of Agamerrinon. You can find the Apple in possession of the Dark Obtennebator. He serves his dark master Bill Gate and resides in the Valley of Sorrow on the Mountain of Pain in the Cave of Agony beyond the Doors of Eternal Discomfort. He has occasionally also tried to Ebay the Apple but none seems interested in it for $221,134,110 USD.

Go now and save us all from Terrorists, Bad Remakes, and watered down soft core from Cinemax!

First laugh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28265999)

May I be the first to say, "Ahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha!!"

Disrespectful (5, Insightful)

gubers33 (1302099) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266037)

I think it is quite disturbing with all of the disrespectful comments on this article. I could Mod some of this, but not all of it. The guy obviously hit hard times with death of two family members by suicide and the tanking of his company. It is clear he had depression in his family and was not able to bear all of this hitting him. It is sickening that so many of you think it is a joke.

Re:Disrespectful (4, Insightful)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266159)

It is sickening that so many of you think it is a joke.

Sickening, but not surprising. Civilization has always been a thin veneer on top of barbarism, and it barely keeps our worst instincts in check. Remove via anonymity the social cues that inhibit these instincts, and we end up with the appalling comments here.

Re:Disrespectful (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266383)

Fuck you with a printout of the internet

Re:Disrespectful (5, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266461)

Civilization has always been a thin veneer on top of barbarism, and it barely keeps our worst instincts in check.

Yes, but if you look under the Barbarism, you actually find two layers of humanitarianism.

You don't need a sense of despair; just a good belt sander.

Re:Disrespectful (3, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266449)

Killing yourself pretty much removes your right to a lot of sympathy. Lot of people are talking about "honor" like killing yourself is the honorable way out, but really it's not. The honorable way out is working in the ruins to try and rectify your mistakes, not quitting when the road gets hard.

Hackers = murderers? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266071)

I'm sure this guy was already unstable but can't help but believe that the attacks were what finally pushed him over the edge. Legally this would be difficult to prosecute as murder but morally those little script kiddies who so impressed with themselves should consider the unintended consequences of their actions. We are all responsible for our own actions (suicide) but should be equally concerned with how our actions affect others (hackers).

Re:Hackers = murderers? (2, Insightful)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266195)

Oh, please. They had sufficient time for a relatively simple exploit to be patched. This guy stalled them with vague non-responses and shit never got done, so milw0rm posted it publicly. That's what security folks do. It's not their fault that he decided that fixing the software he put his reputation behind wasn't worth it.

Re:Hackers = murderers? (1)

iamhigh (1252742) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266237)

You got a point there, AC. IF this were US based, they might be able to prosecute the hackers for murder. We were able to prosecute some lady for hacking when she harassed a little girl to the point of suicide.

Re:Hackers = murderers? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266273)

It depends. There is a great thrill to be had in depriving someone from something they can never have back, especially if you can con them into giving it up willingly. For example, virginity. Some of us just happen to not extend that as far as their life; others simply don't care, or have Nelsonism (HA ha!).

Darkie shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266227)

That's what you get for buying shoddy rubbish churned out in a sweat shop by darkies. Stick to what is best, white-man's work.

I don't know if its been said yet... (4, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266253)

but I gotta respect this guy's dedication to the job. If we could get American CEO's to take this level of responsibility when their companies completely faceplant, the world would be a better place.

A rope? (0, Troll)

Tiber (613512) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266309)

Was he in a closet? Was it wrapped around his neck and genitals which was later covered up with the phrase "his body"?

I think I see a serial killer starting to emerge.

Woah. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28266325)

Can you imagine if a Microsoft executive hung himself every time a vulnerability was discovered in Windows that led to data loss?

I'm a VAserv customer (4, Informative)

barq (1194291) | more than 4 years ago | (#28266413)

Request: Please no one post links to the VAserv status page. The last thing we need is to /. them right now. Customers have been emailed the URL and we are the only ones who really need to see it (plus it isn't very interesting).

VAserv have emailed customers to say they will be taken over by BlueSquare (where they do most of their hosting anyway). Probably the best option given the scale of the attack.

I've got one apparently deleted VPS and one still running. The whole situation is terribly frustrating. However I don't think the lack of information coming from VAserv is due to a lack of effort on their part.

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