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Fedora 11 Is Now Available

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the one-louder dept.

Red Hat Software 195

rexx mainframe writes "Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent. Fedora 11 offers ext4, a 20-second startup, and the latest GNOME, KDE and XFCE releases. Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3's latest pre-releases are available as well. Fedora 11 features Presto, a yum plugin that reduces bandwidth consumption drastically by downloading only binary differences between updates. It also features Openchange for interoperability with Microsoft Exchange. There are new security enhancements, improved and upgraded development tools, and cutting-edge features in areas such as virtualization."

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Interesting (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28266917)

is it beowulf cluster ready?

does it come with a coupon for a free bowl of hot grits?

what is Natalie Portman's review of this new fangled release?

does it run Linux?

Don't waste your time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267643)

Don't bother with Fedora. It still has bad hardware compatability (ie, no nVidia or ATI drivers) and a limited package repository unless you want to link together multiple incompatible third party repositories together.

.

Just install Niggerbuntu and be done with it. The new Nappy Nigger release blows away Windows 7 and Mac OS X Snow Leopard. Just don't leave it unattended or it will impregnate your daughter and sell your car stereo for crack money.

It's soo cutting edge (5, Funny)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 5 years ago | (#28266919)

I hurt myself trying to install it.

Re:It's soo cutting edge (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267253)

don't be surprised. all linux installs are painful regardless of what you might hear from some folks.

Re:It's soo cutting edge (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267745)

its true, last time i had to click a whole 5 times, that two more than a windows install!

Re:It's soo cutting edge (5, Funny)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267725)

and this is the reason why I use it on my private laptop: I want to know what will hit my servers with Debian stable in 4 years :)

Re:It's soo cutting edge (1)

WillKemp (1338605) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268523)

Yeah, i looked into switching my laptop to Centos, but it's so far behind Fedora it just wasn't viable.

Re:It's soo cutting edge (1)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268821)

RHEL 6 (and the coming CentOS) will be build on Fedora 11 - the next 2-3 years should be easy going with CentOS on newer hardware.

but generally I prefer some bleeding edge distro on my private hardware - I was with my post before only half-joking and parts of the comment are serious: It is exciting and valuable tohave the possability to use the newest developments in a real-life environment before the stuff is included in stable production-ready products.

imo one of the most important advantages of OSS

Re:It's soo cutting edge (1)

Tim4444 (1122173) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267879)

...that it's illegal in 7 states - and also switzerland apparently

Re:It's soo cutting edge (2, Funny)

zr-rifle (677585) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268889)

I hurt myself trying to install it.

...so now it's bleeding edge?

is this first enough (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28266923)

first

we must keep releasing stuff (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28266933)

we must keep releasing stuff and get things moving...
and maybe one day, they will see us as a serious contender for a professional OS.
good job, Red Hat.

Re:we must keep releasing stuff (2, Insightful)

viralMeme (1461143) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267213)

"we must keep releasing stuff and get things moving... and maybe one day, they will see us as a serious contender for a professional OS. good job, Red Hat"

Yea, KDE 4.2.3 will never be as polished as the commercial Vis, er Windows 7 1/2 Operating System ..

KDE 4.2.3 [youtube.com] KDE 4.3 Beta [youtube.com] Gnome 2.26.1 [youtube.com]

Re:we must keep releasing stuff (1, Troll)

QCompson (675963) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267343)

Geez, that 4.3 video makes it look horrible. It still has slow screen redraws and weird artifacts when moving windows. It also appears to be getting uglier and uglier as we painfully proceed along the KDE release trail. And I see that damn cashew in the corner (which everyone but a handful of KDE developers seem to hate) is still hanging in there. Frankly, vista looks a hell of a lot more polished and modern than that.

Richard, is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267003)

I TOLD you to keep away from the katana.

Ho ho. (3, Interesting)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267057)

I wish I had a spare partition to install this on. The Beta and Preview releases were good, and they seem to be interested in trying a few new things.

The release announcement makes we wonder, though. [redhat.com]

Re:Ho ho. (4, Interesting)

melted (227442) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267293)

That's what virtualization is for. I always install a new OS in a VM first. This time around, doing this led me to switching a couple of servers from Fedora to Ubuntu Server.

Re:Ho ho. (2, Informative)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267533)

I wish I could. My main computer's barely powerful enough to run one OS at a time, much less two.

I know, I know, it's time for an upgrade. You tell my wallet that.

Re:Ho ho. (2, Informative)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267913)

Unless you're really fussed about free (speech) software or desperately strapped for hardware resources, you could try the free (beer) version of the VMware ESXi Hypervisor. You don't get all of the nice toys of the paid for version, but it's a pretty neat way of trying out distros when hardware resources are limited and has next to no impact when only running one VM. Some of the main advantages to this:
  • Unless resources are really tight, you can still run multiple OS's side by side should it be helpful to do so
  • You have the fallback of not needed to completely blow away an existing setup until you are happy with the new one
  • Makes it very easy to make every install a clean build
  • Makes it very easy to make every install an upgrade (of a copy) too - what's your preference?

Having had a few OS installs go wrong and being down a system for a few days, I'm giving some serious thought to doing this on all my personal systems in future, but what would be even better for that would be to get the Hypervisor in the BIOS. At the moment though, that kind of functionality seems to be only available on higher end motherboards aimed at the server market...

Re:Ho ho. (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268161)

I'll take a look at it; thanks for the tip.

Re:Ho ho. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268703)

Am I missing something?

He said he barely has the hardware to run one OS. Doesn't that imply that he lacks a hypervisor capable CPU?

Re:Ho ho. (1)

melted (227442) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268125)

Throw more RAM in. It's so cheap these days, I've maxed out the RAM on all of my desktop machines.

You don't need it to be terribly fast if you just want to evaluate.

Re:Ho ho. (5, Funny)

MSG (12810) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267567)

Fedora 11 has been out for two hours. You've already downloaded it, evaluated it, and switched some of your servers to a different distribution?

You work faster than anyone I've ever met. I am humbled by your awesome ability.

Re:Ho ho. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267647)

I think he meant after Ubuntu 9.04 came out...

Re:Ho ho. (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268043)

why is parent modded "funny?" He's making a legit point. To say, after it being available for 2 hours, that you evaluated the new version and uninstalled it and replaced it with Ubuntu is beyond silly. Hell, 2 hours from now I won't even be finished downloading it, much less evaluating it - and I have a decent pipe I'm pulling from.

I've evaluated pre-release version (1)

melted (227442) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268099)

Ultimately, couldn't see why I'd stick with Fedora anymore. Most of my servers run CentOS (which is a humongous pain in the ass), the new Ubuntu servers are for development only. If Ubuntu does well there, CentOS may have to give way, too.

Re:Ho ho. (1)

Ian Alexander (997430) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268287)

Perhaps he was checking it out in Rawhide? The only reason F11 is being released today and not a week ago was because of a bug in Anaconda ( https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00011.html [redhat.com] ), and the only reason it wasn't released two weeks ago was because of another bug in Anaconda ( https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00007.html [redhat.com] ). If he wasn't affected by either bug there's no reason he couldn't have been testing it for a while now.

Just for context they performed a major rewrite of the storage subsystem in Anaconda this release.

Re:Ho ho. (1)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268919)

My Awsomeness is soo great that Not only have I installed it; evaluated it and sent out my reviews to various magazines; I have also configured it to make me coffee and raise my kids.

Re:Ho ho. (2, Funny)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267569)

Wait, you were running servers using Fedora? Madness I tell you!

If you want a RedHat-like OS on a server why not install CentOS?

Re:Ho ho. (1)

Maniacal (12626) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267971)

Here here. Ubuntu and Fedora are desktop OS's. Not that they can't run as servers, just why would you. The development and community for those distros are focused on improvements to the desktop. Centos, RedHat, *BSD, Solaris. These are what you want on a server. On the other side of that, I guess it really doesn't matter. That's one of the beauties of Linux. But what good is Slashdot if I can't use it to push my opinions on others :) MG

Re:Ho ho. (1)

harryandthehenderson (1559721) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268209)

Ubuntu and Fedora are desktop OS's. Not that they can't run as servers, just why would you.

Ubuntu Server Edition [ubuntu.com] would like to have a word with you.

Re:Ho ho. offtopic grammar pedantry (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268335)

Here here.

You're looking for "Hear, hear!" as in "Hear, Ye! Hear Ye!" or "Listen to me!"
Sorry, we each have our grammar-nazi burdens to bear. I just bared mine.

Re:Ho ho. offtopic grammar pedantry (1)

timster (32400) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268679)

Sorry, we each have our grammar-nazi burdens to bear. I just bared mine.

I hate you.

Re:Ho ho. (1)

Lendrick (314723) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267993)

Madness?

THIS IS FEDORAAAAAA!

*kicks you into a hole*

Re:Ho ho. (1)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268369)

Why is the parent moderated funny ? It is a true comment. Fedora is only supported for 18 months or so, do you want to reinstall your server in 18 months time ?

Re:Ho ho. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268711)

They support the current and previous releases, which is about 12 months per release.

Re:Ho ho. (5, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267639)

I am a long time Redhat user. Have used Redhat since 4.2 and continued using it when it changed names to "Fedora." I'll be doing my install of Fedora 11 tonight I hope... too many things to do today. But one thing is certain -- I would never use Fedora to serve as a server. I know there are people who do, and god bless their hearts because they enable whatever they find to be included in with Redhat Enterprise Linux. The reason? No long term support. Ubuntu offers an LTS release every so often while also offering more cutting edge stuff as well. But Fedora is not exactly a cutting edge distro either. It is usually quite stable... people on the cutting edge use Rawhide.

So with all that said, I use CentOS (and variants) on the server side and Fedora on the desktop. I have used CentOS on the desktop and it's okay, but it's pretty dull by comparison to Fedora for obvious reasons.

Without long term support, a server will be a lot more work than it needs to be. I recall stepping into a role where the company's web site was hosted on a Fedora 4 server. I was shocked. I got that stuff rectified as soon as possible... Fedora 4 support has long since expired so there was no way to keep it updated. I moved to new hosting and put it all under CentOS. Done and done for years to come. Well, that's not entirely true -- I don't work there any more and I know the outsource company they hired isn't smart enough to manage those servers. (Why is it that almost all IT outsource services are Microsoft partnered and all but refuse anything to do with Linux or Mac OS?)

Re:Ho ho. I'm a long-time Mandrake/Mandriva (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267739)

User, but used PCLinuxOS for about a year. I tried RH & Fedora a few days here and there....But, for those interested (not just in Fedora):

Linux Format magazine (issue 120) will carry Ubuntu as well as Mandriva 2009.1
http://www.linuxformat.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NewArchives [linuxformat.com]

Issue 119 carries "Triple-booting DVD with PCLinuxOS 2009, Mepis 8 and Zenwalk 6"
http://www.linuxformat.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NewArchives&issue=119 [linuxformat.com]

Not to "dis(s)" Fedora, but variety in Open Source/GNU/Linux will (hopefully) ensure ms doesn't nuke us.

Re:Ho ho. (1)

melted (227442) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268163)

Calling those two boxes "servers" was probably too generous. They just run headless and do compute work pretty much non-stop, that's why I called them "servers". I use CentOS for internet-facing servers.

Re:Ho ho. (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268467)

Fedora 4 support has long since expired so there was no way to keep it updated.

At that point, it's just a slackware machine. Download the source for new versions of stuff and compile. ;)

Re:Ho ho. (0, Offtopic)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268963)

Oh I'm OS Agnostic I'll fix whatever ails you as long as your dutch Krugerrand are gold (the greenback is dead because of caustic spending so I'm only taking payment in gold Krugerrand or eqivalent).

Re:Ho ho. (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268195)

I hope one of the "new things" they've tried is fixing the audio and graphics driver issues 9 and 10 introduced. Fedora 8 worked like a charm for me with my older PC, but installing 9 and 10 was problematic. I couldn't even install 10 until I modded the kernel arguments to use the vesa xdriver. With 10 my audio stutters and hangs during audio/video playback while in 8 using the exact same hardware I had zero issues.

20 seconds? Mama mia (5, Interesting)

Garbad Ropedink (1542973) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267127)

A 20 second boot? What happens after that?

Re:20 seconds? Mama mia (5, Funny)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267165)

These boots are made for walkin', and that's just what they'll do...after twenty seconds the boots are gonna walk all over you.

Re:20 seconds? Mama mia (1)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268985)

Where's the Cron!

Re:20 seconds? Mama mia (1)

gregg (42218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267381)

A 20 second boot?

20 second boot? Bah, seven league boots [wikipedia.org] are where it is at.

Re:20 seconds? Mama mia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267419)

GRUB starts loading the Linux kernel.

Just make sure you don't hit any keys.

Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267239)

Damn pirates.

Re:Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent (1)

sleekware (1109351) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267549)

I think it was leaked intentionally in order to promote the product ;)

Re:Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent (1)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269013)

Yar, I be paid in gold and I'll steal your intellectual property whilst surfing your subnet. :D

No wonder my HTTP download stalled... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267263)

It hit slashdot. Dang firewall at works blocks torrents :(

LINUX IS SHIT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267285)

Spent over an hour trying to get a USB Wifi device that I bought for its supposed Linux compatibility working.

Nobody mentioned that to get it working you would have to type pages sand pages of shit in to the command line.

Of course after going though all that bullshit I still couldn't get it to work.

Fuck Linux. I'm going back to Windows.

Too many releases! (3, Funny)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267291)

Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles. That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu. It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.
It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd.

Re:Too many releases! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267365)

You are magically and incredibly free *not* to upgrade. If you cant stand the "pressure" get Debian, its better anyway ;-)

Re:Too many releases! (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267397)

Because all a distro release is, is basically a service pack. Everything gets updated in one easily maintained package thats checked (or at least should be) for any incompatibilities. For example, if you upgrade some libraries but have an older version of another program, that program won't work unless you update it, distro upgrades update everything so they all play nicely with each other.

Re:Too many releases! (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267531)

why does linux have so many release cycles...It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd./quote. Not really. If you knew which packages to download, it would be relatively easy to upgrade from one version of the distro to another. With Windows, you're on one version or another, and there's no way for you to get the latest version of their kernel unless you upgrade. As long as you get onto one of the LTS versions of Ubuntu, you'd be able to wait for as long as you could on Windows. Moving quickly is the biggest strength of open source development. That and choice, so that'd be the two big strengths of open source. And the community.

Re:Too many releases! (4, Funny)

migla (1099771) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268057)

Moving quickly is the biggest strength of open source development. That and choice, so that'd be the two big strengths of open source. And the community.

Yes, our three main weapons are speed, choice, community and an almost fanatical devotion to freedom.

Re:Too many releases! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268237)

Exactly, the four best things about linux will always be speed, choice, community, freedom, and the fact that it costs nothing.

Re:Too many releases! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28269039)

Well I wasn't expecting that.

Re:Too many releases! (5, Insightful)

Ex-Linux-Fanboy (1311235) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267579)

why does linux have so many release cycles

Because Fedora is a cutting-edge testing release that's done about twice a year. The RedHat Linux way is to take software that Microsoft would only make available to internal testers in Redmond, and make it available to the general public as "Fedora".

If you want something with fewer release cycles, you're best bet is Red Hat Enterprise Linux (which every three years or so, takes a release of Fedora, declares it stable, renames it "RHEL", and updates that version of Fedora for seven years). If you're too cheap to buy RHEL, you can get CentOS [centos.org] , which is a free derivative of RHEL. CentOS 5.3 is the Linux equivalent of "CentOS 5, service pack 3" [1]

[1] Well, except that adding new drivers to older releases of CentOS is harder than it is to do with Microsoft Windows. What can I say, Linux isn't perfect.

Re:Too many releases! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268199)

Linux isn't perfect.

Blasphemy!

Re:Too many releases! (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267717)

Well, every time a new distro revision is released, the old one usually still receives updates and support for some years. By not doing a full upgrade to the new major version, you get the latest patches and yet the feature set remains the same.

Re:Too many releases! (1)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268103)

'Backports' is the operative phrase for Ubuntu users experiencing upgrade anxiety - and installing them should be through enabling of the backports repos (or is it automatic now for security?)... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports [ubuntu.com]

Quote from the link:

"This is where Ubuntu Backports comes in. The Backports team believes that the best update policy is a mix of Ubuntu's security-only policy AND providing new versions of some programs. Candidates for version updates are primarily desktop applications, such as your web browser, word processor, IRC client, or IM client. These programs can be updated without replacing a large part of the operating system that would affect stability of the whole system."

Re:Too many releases! (1)

Rubel (121009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267727)

I sympathize, although for my desktop system I do prefer just grabbing the latest stable stuff every nine months or so ala the Ubuntu release cycle. But for a server of course, it's nice to have things stable. Or is it UI changes that bug you?

But as the Anonymous One suggested, there are other flavors of Linux which move at a slower pace, such as http://debian.org/ [debian.org] or RHEL (or the free version of it, CentOS).

Re:Too many releases! (1)

sgage (109086) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267859)

"It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something."

Took forever, pressure to upgrade, invariably broke something. Nice totalizing language, troll. You don't have to upgrade, and if you choose to, just do an in-place upgrade. In going from Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty this has worked flawlessly for me.

"It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd."

More classic troll language. First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista - when trolling, it's always good to start out with a strawman argument. Second, "linux" doesn't release something every couple of months - there is no "linux", only distros. E.g., Ubuntu has a very well-defined 6-month cycle, with continual updates along the way, automatically. It's really more of a rolling release. Pick one that works the way you like.

Then, of course, we get the old "when Linux does the same thing that MS does, nobody complains" whine, along with the obligatory parting shot... "Odd". The release cycles and policies of Linux distros are nothing like the MS approach.

For a start, your Ubuntu (or whatever distro) upgrades are free.

However, if you want, you are free to fork out $100+ every 3 years to MS for their latest and greatest Windows, as they decide they need another pulse of revenue. And don't forget to upgrade your virus protection, etc. It's a different approach entirely.

Re:Too many releases! (2, Interesting)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268487)

Actually, I just upgraded to Jaunty on a machine that had only seen about 40 hours of use since I installed Intrepid on it, and it hosed the system. The filesystem was still there, but I couldn't get it working for several hours. Finally, I just clean-installed Jaunty, since I didn't have much I wanted to save.

GP may be trolling or not, but don't imagine that upgrades are always hearts and flowers.

Oh, and I'm not upgrading my Fedora 10 box right away, either, just in case.

Re:Too many releases! (2, Informative)

harryandthehenderson (1559721) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267923)

Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles.

Because people want the latest versions of software?

That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu. It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.

You didn't have to upgrade at all. No one forces you to do so if everything already works just fine.

It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd.

Because it doesn't cost me a couple of hundred dollars to upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10? Or from Fedora 10 to 11? I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

Re:Too many releases! (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268383)

What's bad about Ubuntu is the crazy upgrade restrictions. Often you can only upgrade to the newest version from the immediately previous version. Then you try to upgrade to the previous version and find that the upgrade is no longer available. What a mess!

take a screenshot tour (4, Interesting)

viralMeme (1461143) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267303)

Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour [fedoraproject.org]

--

I like it except it doesn't have X feeture :)

Re:take a screenshot tour (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267543)

I realize it's a desktop OS as well, but whenever I think of "screenshots" for Linux, my eye twitches.

Re:take a screenshot tour (1)

greenguy (162630) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267843)

This is cool and all, but it doesn't have a screenshot of what I want: sound.

This will probably become RHEL6 (4, Interesting)

Ex-Linux-Fanboy (1311235) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267305)

This release of Fedora is the release that will probably be the basis for the next release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines), and right now RHEL 5 does not run with the 2007-era hardware I have, being based on a version of Fedora from 2006.

Once this becomes RHEL, commercial ISVs (Independent Software Vendors) will start supporting the release and both the hardware I use and the commercial software I need to be productive (sorry guys, I find VirtualBox a lot more buggy and less intuitive to use than VMware) will be supported in a version of Linux that will have the stability I need.

Can anyone confirm that RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 11?

Re:This will probably become RHEL6 (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267415)

Wikipedia says yes [wikipedia.org]

Re:This will probably become RHEL6 (1)

harryandthehenderson (1559721) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267987)

This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines),

Why would you need RHEL to run VMware Player? It's been in the Ubuntu repositories since 6.06.

Re:This will probably become RHEL6 (1)

Ex-Linux-Fanboy (1311235) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268301)

I tried that, but Ubuntu had a lot of problems with crashes and instability.

- Sam

Re:This will probably become RHEL6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268323)

Fedora 11 will not be upstream for RHEL6. RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 12.

Re:This will probably become RHEL6 (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268597)

When RHEL6 comes out, you might be using hardware from 2010-2011. I see something similar to a chicken and egg problem. Or maybe it's closer to the short story "The Gift of the Magi"; You give RH time to make a new version, letting your hardware age... and eventually RH gifts you with a comb, but you sold your hair!

The stats are looking good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267333)

Right now, two hours or so after the announcement, I see 2279 leechers for the i386 dvd torrent, and 1794 for the x86_64 torrent.

I've download (via bittorrent) the Fedora releases since Fedora 5 IIRC, and that is the highest number that I've seen two hours after the release. Usually there are about 1,000 - 1,500 at this point.

So that's one offhand datapoint.

If you want the maximum download speed, I suggest that you start downloading soon. The numbers start dropping off significantly, though there are usually hundreds of seeders who stick around.

Now if only they'd get the Source DVD's up! The delay on these is always annoying

Re:The stats are looking good (5, Insightful)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267447)

Although I still prefer FTP or HTTP, I've learned over the years to wait a few days before downloading. It also gives some time to see what the early adopters say, usually right here on slash.

Re:The stats are looking good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268655)

I've been running the beta for a couple of weeks on my MSI Wind. Works slickly, without any problems for me.

Still? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267421)

People still using Fedora? No, really.

Re:Still? (1)

zumajim (681331) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268423)

Yeah, really. I stick with it because my office is a Redhat shop and this lets me stay close to the Redhat layout and such but still have the option to update and install new stuff to keep my own systems bleeding edge. That said, I think Ubuntu deserves its first-place standing and I get tempted to switch. We'll see how F11 goes. If it wipes out my grub loader (again), I might just jump ship...

Now I get to hear about it all day at work... (1)

dburkland (1526971) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267677)

Every Fedora release brings 10 different people talking about how they can't wait to install the new release. There is nothing better hearing them bitch the next day about how their machine has all these issues haha. (I am not a Fedora hater in anyway)

Reunion Time (1)

Anna Merikin (529843) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267775)

I last installed a RH/Fedora OS almost ten years ago -- RedHat 6.0. I loved it. I pulled down sources from RPMFind.net and compiled them to try them out. I used that distro until the wheels fell off -- GCC became out-of-date and could not be updated nor could programs written for GCC-4 be compiled successfully under GCC-3, or so I heard. Same for the kernel, RH-6.0 being one of the first users of the 2.4 series (2.4.11, IIRC). The most modern kernel I remember installing on it was 2.4.35!

That took about five years. (I HATE installing and especially configuring new OSes!)

I used Knoppix 3.2.x for a year or so as a hard drive install but it would not update, Knoppix maintaining no repositories themselves, and the distro being incompatible (libraries) with Debian's repos.

I moved on to Ubuntu clones, Mepis-6 (two years) and Ultimate-2.0 XMas (six months.) No probs except I feel left out of the process. When I installed UE first time, a few things didn't work quite right. I ignored them for the time being, spending time finding and installing programs useful for the way I live -- Ufraw, ufraw-Gimp, Gimp, Digikam, (I have a pro-level DSLR and shoot RAW-DNG) and such. Then, after an update, the probs went away. Obviously, the updates fixed them, but I was not aware of how. Then, I was offered an opportunity to upgrade the distro to the newest one, and I tried it. Now, the system is not borked but imperfect, so time to install another.

I will try Fedora 11 (it's downloading now) with workstation compiling tools and see if I can keep it going for five years or so like RH-6. Or at least until GCC-5 and kernel 2.8.x become ubiquitous, whichever comes first.

Did I mention I HATE installing and configuring OSes?

Re:Reunion Time (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268691)

I HATE installing and especially configuring new OSes!

If you ever find you need to do a lot of that, RH (IIRC, even back in the old RH5,6,7 days) has a auto-configuration dealy-who called kickstart which can auto-configure a new install for you, just like the previous install. Occasionally comes in handy (not quite as handy as Ghost/partimage, but sometimes the hardware differences are just too much for Ghost/partimage, or you want to have a clean setup).

What an immature release announcement! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267903)

The release announcement [redhat.com] is very unprofessional.

Since this release of Fedora will likely power RHEL 6, I was going to forward the release notice to my boss, to see if we could set up some evaluation servers. But then I saw how childish the announcement was, and felt too embarassed to promote Fedora.

Re:What an immature release announcement! (2, Insightful)

vivaelamor (1418031) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268545)

Maybe you'd prefer the release notes [fedoraproject.org] or the tour [fedoraproject.org] instead?

Things about linux that still anger me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28267919)

1. Deps, So many Deps. 2. Standard uniform Package manager. Yum or Apt-get + they seem to not talk to each other correctly. 3. To many Distros. I stick to CentOS or Fedora. 4. To many people re-inventing the wheel, I.e. 9001 Windows Managers/Desktops. 5. Non-Simple Update from Different Revision of the OS. Maybe I am ignorant but These this hinder linux from becoming a complete powerhouse.

Re:Things about linux that still anger me. (1)

harryandthehenderson (1559721) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268025)

5. Non-Simple Update from Different Revision of the OS. Maybe I am ignorant but These this hinder linux from becoming a complete powerhouse.

You are ignorant. To ugprade from one Ubuntu revision to another requires hitting a single button marked "upgrade". Wow, that was so hard.

Re:Things about linux that still anger me. (1)

sgage (109086) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268315)

The trolls are out in force today.

Deps? Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you'll have no problems with deps. Ditto package managers. Pick a distro that uses the one you like.

Too many distros? WTF? Just pick one! You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.

What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills? So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that? Pick one that you like!

Linux is a rather complete powerhouse. Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power, you're going to have to know what you're doing.

Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it. Why not just use Windows or Mac? Life is too short to be angry about Linux...

Encryption (1)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267925)

Fedora is probably the only general audience distribution that supports disk encryption and lockup security features user-friendly and out-of-the-box.

Has anyone got full disk encryption in daily use?

Re:Encryption (1)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268883)

Yup, on F-10. Hassle-free, and I can even get into it with a Livecd if I hose the machine and know the passphrase.

Re:Encryption (1)

Bazer (760541) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269011)

I had until I caught a bad case of brain-dead and nuked the LUKS header on my /home partition. (I wanted to resize an LVM volume and called pvcreate on the wrong partition)

That header consists of 512 bytes which contain the only key to your precious data. No redundant keys and no backups (see below). The LUKS dev team's advice on this issue is:

  • don't backup the keys (it's dangerous from a cryptographic standpoint)
  • be careful

Yay, KMS! (3, Interesting)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 5 years ago | (#28267961)

Fedora 11 is the first release of any major distribution to include kernel mode-setting (KMS) for Intel GMA, ATI Radeon, and nVidia TNT2/GeForce chipsets. This is an excellent step forward in terms of moving off of crufty old graphics APIs and being able to use video cards in a more uniform, reliable manner.

Preupgrade (3, Interesting)

ichthus (72442) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268045)

I just used preupgrade to move from fc10 on my Samsung NC10 netbook. As I type this, Anaconda is installing the packages for upgrade.

So far, this upgrade is going smoothly. According to the release notes, I should see an improvement in battery life. We'll see...

Re:Preupgrade (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268589)

Please reply back with results. Never used preupgrade, but would be interested in seeing how well it goes for you.

Re:Preupgrade (1)

ichthus (72442) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268719)

Will do.

(Currently installing package 1339 of 1474 (gutenprint-foomatic)) It's got a while left...

Fedora server components are not bleeding-edge (2, Informative)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268605)

The desktop may be bleeding-edge, but the server components are rock-solid.

I might have a tough time adjusting the volume or getting the desktop applets to work right, but the server implementations are stable and work right every time.

3D acceleration for older ATI cards? (1)

tomaasz (5800) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269087)

Does this include ATI drivers with decent 3D acceleration support for OLDER cards? Or does it at least offer the possibility to install those? I run into this issue with Ubuntu - the X server was so new that the drivers weren't available yet and my Radeon HD 2600 had no 3D OpenGL support.

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