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AT&T Dropping Usenet Netnews; Low-Cost Alternatives?

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the don't-want-to-perish-like-a-fading-horse dept.

The Internet 345

franknagy writes "This announcement message has appeared in all the news groups on the AT&T/SBC News Server: 'Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party vendors.' So what free or low-cost alternatives are available for Netnews and the NNTP services for clients?"

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The web (1)

gilgongo (57446) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268175)

It depends what you mean by "alternative" - but (sadly in my opinion), most people will just say "the web" and mean HTML-based bulletin board discussions eg Facebook.

Oh well. I loved Usenet.

Elitist! (1)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268367)

You probably don't know about the Singularity.

Re:Elitist! (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269119)

Wait, didn't that happen last Tuesday, right after the rapture?

Back on topic: I suppose Usenet had to die at some point, just like Gopher/Archie/Veronica. It is kind of sad, but as OP said, there are various other tools that do the same job (albeit not as decently), and are easier to access. Thus its time was sort of inevitable.

Seriously, how many people use Usenet anymore? Mostly aging hardcore geeks, I'm guessing. Which isn't market enough to keep it living.

Sadly, I stopped using it when it became a huge pain to use. My ISP's support is VERY spotty, and doesn't offer access to vast amounts of areas (bin and alt, mostly), and really doesn't offer any easy information as towards how to access it. Last time I set up a connect, I had to call the ISP, and listen to some Indian support guy act confused about the whole idea of this "internet" feature thing, repeatedly asking me the URL for usenet.

Re:The web (1)

GigaHurtsMyRobot (1143329) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268539)

I've been a Giganews subscriber and a Newsleecher + Super Search user for well over a year now... It's worth the money for instant access to just about everything.

Re:The web (4, Informative)

Plekto (1018050) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268671)

Another vote for GigaNews.

I only read about 30-40 groups, ever, and they are all text-only discussions. So their $2.99 a month Jade service is a no-brainer. I don't come close to even half a gig a month with those groups, and don't need thread retention more than 30 days either.

Cheap. Works.

My only gripe is that it's not as good as some of the pricier options that you directly link to. If all you want is basic text-only threading and zero fancy features, it'll take some getting used to the slower speeds and web interfaces. But I also am cheap and don't want to spend $20 a month... For about $40 a year, GigaNews works fine.

Re:The web (1)

twistedcubic (577194) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269209)

How does the Giganes Jade service compare to Google Groups? You can get occasional jpegs?

Re:The web (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268723)

"I've been a Giganews subscriber and a Newsleecher + Super Search user for well over a year now... It's worth the money for instant access to just about everything."

Do they have a way to securely and anonymously subscribe and connect to them? Can you send them cash, use a nym server for email contacts...and maybe somehow route your transactions with the server through something like TOR?

Re:The web (1)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268823)

Just what in the world are you planning to download?! j/k

Re:The web (1)

GigaHurtsMyRobot (1143329) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268967)

I'm not that paranoid... If my Giganews logs were to be used against me, almost 2 years of very heavy downloading (unlimited + ssl plan), I'd be put away forever.

Re:The web (0, Troll)

ender- (42944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269051)

Do they have a way to securely and anonymously subscribe and connect to them? Can you send them cash, use a nym server for email contacts...and maybe somehow route your transactions with the server through something like TOR?

Why? Do you think the Usenet server AT&T was providing was somehow any more anonymous than signing up for a Giganews account? If you wanted a "super-sekrit", anonymous usenet access to download your kiddie-porn, I fervently hope you *were* using AT&Ts servers. It'll be easier to find you that way.

Re:The web (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28269179)

They support anonymous SSL connections. It's not fullproof, but it's a fairly secure transfer protocol. Certainly safer than bittorrent. I've been a Usenetserver.com customer for years. Can't complain about them at all.

Re:The web (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268755)

I use Usenet-news.net

They sell by the GB, but it never expires.

They are not an alternative to a good search and provide no client though.

Re:The web (1)

shrubya (570356) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268947)

Yep. NNTP discussion groups have been rather thoroughly replaced by web-based discussion sites, like Slashdot. And if you really need Usenet there's Google Groups. (yeah, there's a couple newsgroups Google doesn't cover. I'd give you a URL but I'd rather not risk slashdotting them.)

And as for NNTP binary groups, Bittorrent and Redtube have them covered.

Re:The web (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269041)

It's actually a shame, I prefer NNTP over web forums and email groups. I've been using motzarella for my discussion groups for about a year now. I used easynews for a long while as well (local company, supports source forge, etc.).

easynews (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268181)

Sleazynews

Just start torrenting. (0, Flamebait)

cadeon (977561) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268189)

It's better anyway :-P

Re:Just start torrenting. (5, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268649)

"It's better anyway :-P"

Well, it is better if you want to get caught easier...

No one is really actively tracing downloads from USENET, not like P2P solutions.

For the original poster, go google "open usenet servers", you'll find a couple of sites that index open usenet servers, and gives stats on them.

I know...I know...first rule of USENET is not to talk about USENET.

Haven't read usenet in years (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268191)

No great loss

Re:Haven't read usenet in years (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268943)

I was amazed it was even an issue. The durability of Usenet never ceases to amaze me.

Is it worth it anymore? (4, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268217)

Unless you are using binaries groups for music or pr0n, is Usenet even worth accessing anymore? I remained dedicated to the network long after most nerds departed because there was still a fairly decent amount of educated discourse on sci.lang and rec.music.classical, but even those groups are no innundated by spambots and most of the most worthwhile conversation partners have moved while only the crotchety remain.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (4, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268279)

while only the crotchety remain.

It's not nice to talk about someone like that when I'm^Wthey are around ;)

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (3, Interesting)

Useful Wheat (1488675) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268317)

You should investigate talkorigins.org

Although that website is ancient, its a collection of a vast amount of material on the evolution/creationism debate that was held exclusively on usenet. It serves as an amazing reference so that if you see the same conversation starting for the nth time you can post the link and close the thread.

Now that may seem dismissive, but you would be amazed how many times you will see creationists copy and paste first posts from anti-evolution websites, which have detailed answers that would be a pain to type out each time.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (4, Interesting)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268739)

I've visited the talk.origins group before and concluded that the pro-evolution group is just as zealotic as the creation/ID group. Just because you are (generally) right does not necessarily mean you're not a zealot. I suspect the mellow people of both sides have been driven out.

I once challenged that some forms of intelligent design (ID) studies could *potentially* be classified as "science" (although weak science). The pro-evolutionists there went ape-sh8t. I was appalled. I wasn't supporting existing ID work, only saying if done right it could be classified as "science".

I asked for a clear-cut definition of "science" to verify their claim, and after reluctantly admitting that their working definition had subjective phrases, basically they implied that "if you are educated enough (like them), then you just know what is science and what isn't." (Paraphrased) Formal definitions be damned. It was the dumbest argument I've ever heard from people who should know better. Those people there are not open-minded; neither side.

And in general they exaggerate the link between pre-Cambrian and Cambrian bilaterans. Some mysteries are still mysteries and they should just admit those areas are still hazy. Their defensiveness is blinding them.
 

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268951)

Welcome to the world of 'science', yet another religion...

Second the CSS issue (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268969)

Here I am responding to a sig, bad form but CSS on /. does suck :(

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268973)

To someone with the disorder Pica [wikipedia.org] , any object could potentially be classified as "food".

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine the disorder responsible for ID potentially being classified as "science".

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (3, Interesting)

argiedot (1035754) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268341)

I said "There's always alt.fan.pratchett" but then decided to go check if it was still around and found the Google Groups archive completely inundated by spam. Jesus.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (1)

mjackson14609 (69635) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268455)

Depends entirely on the individual. There are several newsgroups I personally find worthwhile, and I much prefer dealihg with them through a regular newsgroup client. When Roadrunner dropped netnews last year I went with individual.net - 10 Euros/year - and have been quite satisfied. YMMV.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (2, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268591)

Want to make it worth it?

Let's all go into comp.lang.c and start top posting to threads. They LOVE IT when you do that.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (4, Funny)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268827)

What's top posting?

Let's all go into comp.lang.c and start top posting to threads. They LOVE IT when you do that.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (2, Funny)

Qwrk (760868) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268593)

Is there any life after news:alt.slack [alt.slack] and news:alt.binaries.slack [alt.binaries.slack] ? Hardly!

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (3, Informative)

xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D (1160707) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268781)

I still love it. I check a few comp.*, soc.* and rec.* groups daily and they're still active and interesting. There is the odd bit of spam, but that's just easily dealt with as it is on web forums or emails. For binaries I find it useful too (I'm more interested in TV shows and movies than music and pr0n, but either way). My ISP doesn't throttle it like it does Torrents. It doesn't use any significant amount of my upload speed. I never get any less than 95% of my Internet connection's possible bandwidth. Why not use it?

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (4, Insightful)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268859)

Access to advise from crotchety old engineers for the price of a little bad manners and spam is in the end a very good deal.

Re:Is it worth it anymore? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268977)

I find comp.sys.apple2 well worth reading. Many past and current Apple II developers still post in there.

Giganews. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268231)

Low-cost is a subjective term, and it really depends on how much you use it, but Giganews is rock solid. Super fast (I can get 20Mb sustained -- that's my connection max) and over a year retention on binaries.

The Eternal Triangle (1)

dragonard (261270) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268235)

Like so much else in life, there is Good, Fast, and Cheap. You can only have two of the three.

I liked Giganews [giganews.com] when I read Usenet. They're good, and fast.

Re:The Eternal Triangle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268379)

astraweb

fast and cheap

Re:The Eternal Triangle (2, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268809)

Astraweb offer a "pay as you download" service where you buy say 120GB of downloads and can use it when you need it, rather than paying monthly.

It's ideal as a backup server if your ISP's ones suck, because you can things that are posted regularly like TV episodes from your ISP with 7 days retention, and fills/older stuff from Astraweb.

Do you get a discount now? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268239)

Now that they're cutting a portion of the service out - do you get a cut on the monthly rate as well?

Re:Do you get a discount now? (4, Funny)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268639)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good one, you must be new here.

Sincerely,
                    AT&T

Re:Do you get a discount now? (1)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268981)

Push for that, seriously. They are cutting a part of service, thus the service should be cheaper

it is about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268245)

I was always wondering why this protocol and all related software have not disappeared yet.
Craigslist is the way to go for the public.

Re:it is about time (4, Insightful)

harryandthehenderson (1559721) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268295)

I was always wondering why this protocol and all related software have not disappeared yet.

Because of alt.binaries.*

Re:it is about time (1)

Whitemice (139408) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269113)

Ditto, NNTP is dead.

Google Groups or Astraweb (2, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268267)

If you actually want to READ and POST text news, then I don't know why anyone would use an NNTP client nowadays. Google Groups is a far superior gateway.

If you are interested in binaries, then I would point you to Astraweb. They have great price plans.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (1)

xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D (1160707) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268363)

Superior how?

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28269191)

Compared to a application-based client? Considerably superior in many ways.

Some newsgroups (especially binary ones) have hideously large post counts that will eat away at the ram of the machine handling them if the application sucks, and some of them are so large it doesn't matter if the application is optimized or not, it will still put considerable hindrance on a lot of computers.

Side note, easynews is great. Always maxes out my internet connection when I need to get something.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (5, Insightful)

gilgongo (57446) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268461)

If you actually want to READ and POST text news, then I don't know why anyone would use an NNTP client nowadays. Google Groups is a far superior gateway.

What?? How is the Google groups UI even remotely better at threading, marking, filtering and generally managing long conversations? Compared to even something like Free Agent it's utterly shit!

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (5, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268715)

What he meant was:

Kibo can grep all of Usenet for his name much faster using Google.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (1)

lahvak (69490) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268791)

Fool! Kibo IS Google!

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28269237)

Good point.

-- Kibo

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269021)

Not to mention that Google Groups is a major source of spam.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (1)

synthespian (563437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269195)

and that's because you have to use your e-mail address and you can't fake it, like with Usenet providers. Which is just stupid, they being Google.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (1)

Whitemice (139408) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269163)

It isn't. That is just google fanboy-ism (very prevalent here these days). Simply nothing that thread, filter, sort, slice and dice like a modern e-mail client - which explains the dominance of mailists for real conversation and debate. But then you'll get the people who use hotmail or whatever complaining mailists are sooo hard to use and we should all use web forums - which are just about the worst form of communication ever invented.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (3, Informative)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268793)

If you actually want to READ and POST text news, then I don't know why anyone would use an NNTP client nowadays. Google Groups is a far superior gateway.

Disclaimer: I haven't actually had a Usenet feed for many years, though articles like this one actually make me want to try one again. I should try one of the free ones (if they still exist) and see if they have even a decent feed for the very few groups I'd want to keep up on. (I really wish Google News had an NNTP feed, even if it charged a low fee.)

I think the reason why anyone would use an NNTP client were actually elaborated very well in Brad Templeton's history of Clarinet article that was posted yesterday..
http://www.templetons.com/brad/clarinet-history.html#m5 [templetons.com] in the section "Eventual fate".

(Though I have used it for very infrequent uses, Google News didn't seem to keep track of which articles I read, and the interface certainly wasn't as good as the browser I use(d), trn..)

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (4, Interesting)

synthespian (563437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268933)

Google is not USENET. Google is a privately owned company. USENET belongs to no-one and to all. Do you see the difference? NNTP was very well thought out. It's distributed.

I'm quite aware that there's a generation out there that thinks Google can uncover any info you want (try something from 3 years ago and see how well you fare) and that think that PHP forums are the *best* way to store info. However, a simple examination will reveal how unfounded these opinions are. Google will own your info. PHP forums come and go. That's not reliable information.

OTOH, I would like USENET posting to allow for mark-up text, such as LaTeX or MathML. That would be very useful.

Re:Google Groups or Astraweb (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269305)

MathML... ick... that markup should just die.

alternatives (4, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268277)

I've never found a free one that was worth a damn, but there are several pay alternatives that are quite good. I'm currently with easynews.com.

If you don't need the binary groups, I'd bet the chances of finding a usable free one will be much higher, though.

Re:alternatives (1)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268569)

I've never found a free one that was worth a damn, but there are several pay alternatives that are quite good. I'm currently with easynews.com.

If you don't need the binary groups, I'd bet the chances of finding a usable free one will be much higher, though.

I would also recommend easynews.com, I'm very happy with their service.

Re:alternatives (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268871)

I would also recommend easynews.com, I'm very happy with their service.

The web interface and download manager are pretty convenient. I have no idea if their customer service is any good... never needed to contact them. It always just works. Always.

Re:alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268913)

Roger that. The Easynews search feature alone is worth the price of admission.

Run your own server (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268307)

Whack a copy of INN on your Colo and hook up a feed with your BOFH friends.

Re:Run your own server (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269211)

Have you ever ran INN? The amount of bandwidth is I N S A N E.

It makes p2p weenies seem like low bandwidth amateurs.

This is going to sound like an advertisement... (5, Informative)

FreakinSyco (873416) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268355)

I use Astraweb as its currently the best unlimited monthly payment going

http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html [astraweb.com]

$11/mo
SSL
Unlimited downloads

I've never had a problem capping my connection's bandwidth or with the service.

Re:This is going to sound like an advertisement... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268453)

I use Astraweb as its currently the best unlimited monthly payment going

http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html [astraweb.com]

$11/mo
SSL
Unlimited downloads

I've never had a problem capping my connection's bandwidth or with the service.

I second that. I've been using Astraweb for years, and they are reliable, fast and cheaper than the competition. Retention is growing to 365 days currently.

Re:This is going to sound like an advertisement... (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269031)

Yep, second the Astraweb recommendation. I was going to post about them as well. I started using them a few years ago when a move from one city to another left me with an ISP whose retention of some of the comp.* groups was terrible. And you can't beat the speed.

newshosting.com (2, Informative)

spinkham (56603) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268371)

I use the aptly named newshosting [newshosting.com] , and have been quite impressed.
Cheaper then giganews, and has excellent retention and completion. Speed is only limited by my connection, and SSL and compression are available for even more speed.

Depends on what you think is important (5, Funny)

davmoo (63521) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268435)

I use EasyNews to get my pr0...um...er...oh...make that 'I heard EasyNews is good'.

I use Astraweb.com (2, Informative)

KraftDinner (1273626) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268443)

They're especially cheap(I pay $11 US per month for unlimited 20 connections) and they're upgrading their retention to 360 days, right now it's at 295. I don't work for Astraweb, I'm just a very satisfied customer. The only downfall, if you consider this a downfall, is to get the $11 a month deal you have to pay through PayPal's subscription service, which isn't all that bad. Here's the link: http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html [astraweb.com] Click the "Now Accepting PayPal" button.

Re:I use Astraweb.com (1)

Big Boss (7354) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268641)

You don't need to use paypal, but you CAN. If you just click the "buy now" button, you can use a CC. The only downside to Paypal is that they won't let you do porn, so if you don't care about that, it works fine. If you want the erotica groups, just use a CC. I'm doing it now with a Visa card and it works fine. Just didn't feel like using Paypal for it. $11/mo and working every bit as good as Giganews did.

Re:I use Astraweb.com (1)

KraftDinner (1273626) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269037)

Hmm, I've never had a problem accessing the erotica groups before using the Paypal method. If I remember, I think the reason I had to use the Paypal method is because the forms to use CC wouldn't allow Canadian addresses or something like that.

Speed, speed, speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268489)

The good thing about your ISP providing Usenet is speed. The connection is strictly between your home and the ISP. You don't go across "the wild Internet."

With the 3rd party providers, you're going across any number of connections and the speed is MUCH slower.

Re:Speed, speed, speed (2, Informative)

Big Boss (7354) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268673)

I can max my connection speed either way. In theory it's faster with a local mirror, and certainly costs the ISP less upstream bandwidth, but in practice it doesn't matter for many people. And ISP NNTP servers tend to suck anyway, so you might actually do better on "the wild Internet".

Best Usenet Providers (5, Informative)

CrashNBrn (1143981) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268543)

It really depends on what you need it for, the best place to go is here: http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-providers.html [newsgroupreviews.com]

Out of the list I liked binverse.com and usenetserver.com, generally if you go thru the links provided by newsgroupreviews you'll get discounts that may or may not be "obvious" from just going directly to the sites in question.

R.I.P. (4, Interesting)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268567)

Usenet was my first encounter with electronic forum - questions asked and answered, flame wars, trolls, kooks, some grass-roots projects, etc.

I remember the flame war about people's sig. Some dudes had this gigantic ASCII art sig files, and people were complaining about one-line posts with 20-line sigs, how the bandwidth were wasted, etc.

A trick to have one's question answered rather than ignored: Post the question, and from a second account, post a completely bogus answer with extra dose of condescension. People are so eager to pounce on the bogus answer with full-on indignation.

Oh well. Move on.

Re:R.I.P. (5, Funny)

computational super (740265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268761)

Post the question, and from a second account, post a completely bogus answer with extra dose of condescension

Fortunately, that would never work here on Slashdot.

Re:R.I.P. (1)

lahvak (69490) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268855)

I remember the flame war about people's sig. Some dudes had this gigantic ASCII art sig files, and people were complaining about one-line posts with 20-line sigs, how the bandwidth were wasted, etc.

Yeah, the old days of warlording...

usenetserver, newshosting (1)

ezelkow1 (693205) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268653)

If you just want text only then there are plenty of free servers out there, just google for them. You can also use the google interface or any other number of free web interfaces. If you need binary access then Id suggest looking at either newshosting or usenetserver. I started out on newshosting and its pretty good all around, I just switched to usenetserver a year ago because their pricing for 3 months of service at a time was cheaper and they also had longer retention. Both support ssl at this point and I think they both have pretty much the same retention and speed as well. Either way those 2 are cheaper than most, though im not sure how good they are for posting, if your posting I think most use giganews or astraweb.

FatWallet thread (1)

steveshaw (690806) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268687)

There is a nice thread at FatWallet [fatwallet.com] compiling lots of deals. While the main post hasn't been updated in a while, there are some recent posts with good deals.

Usenet Story (2, Funny)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268699)

I subscribed to a variety of Usenet groups. I used that nice Freeagent software for year. Still do on my Museum PC (Packard Bell running Windows 95 with a tape drive and 128 MB of RAM).

I have a spam filter on my gateway so spam messages vanish.

I haven't gotten a new post in 3 years...

Usenet isn't dying. It's dead with nothing but ghosts left...

Not just on AT&T's servers (1)

parkrrrr (30782) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268745)

The announcement showed up on Newsguy's servers, too. Seriously, if AT&T sucked so bad at Usenet that they couldn't keep their 'private' announcements in-house, maybe it's just as well.

Speaking of which, Newsguy is pretty darned awesome, in my experience (which is admittedly limited, in that I've only had an account with them since Scumcast dropped their Usenet service a little under a year ago.)

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268771)

I use giganews, of course I pirate 360 and wii games, along with ds and psp games too. TB hard drives are a must. 1.2 TB grabbed last month. Oh and movies too, I never rent them anymore. Yes I pirate, don't like it, tough shit.

Newsguy.com (4, Interesting)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268783)

Newsguy.com is an excellent service. Compared to many other USENET services, Newsguy actually has very little spam because of this really clever program they developed called SpamHippo. I also like them because you can buy bandwidth on demand if you want it and the bandwidth balance rolls over each month. The online readers are very focused on the USENET usage experience, with automatic binary downloaders for those binaries with hundreds of parts (and you download the binary version, not the encoded 7-bit version). Of course port 119 is there, too.

Can we let the secret out now? (2, Insightful)

lemur3 (997863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268787)

OK.. Now that USENET is dead.. is it safe to let the secret out?

USENET WAS GREAT.

Re:Can we let the secret out now? (1)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269279)

Emphasis on "was".

Astraweb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28268813)

I use Astraweb. They have a "Limited Time Offer" running, 11$/mo for unlimited access, but it's been going for months, so who knows how limited it really is. They currently have 295 days retention (working their way to 365), offer 20 SSL connections, and I max out my 20mbit cable line with them.

http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.multicards.html

Usenet (1)

ronfuller (716076) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268841)

i have been using motzarella for several months now. i started when some of the other big isp's began dropping usenet. my isp still carries it but now i have a back-up plan. http://news.motzarella.org/ [motzarella.org]

Easynews (1)

DigitalCrackPipe (626884) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268907)

Try easynews.com I used them years ago, and they had cool features such as downloading files by http/ftp as a zip file, as well as fast speeds and good completion.

I just wanna say it's terrible (3, Insightful)

synthespian (563437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268983)

I'd just like to say it's terrible when ISPs drop Usenet. Usenet is part of the Internet culture.

Re:I just wanna say it's terrible (3, Insightful)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269303)

Usenet is part of the Internet culture.

You misspelled "history".

Seriously, the vast, vast majority of Internet users today came online long after Usenet collapsed under its own weight. Only a tiny minority (like me) remember it, and even fewer of those use it with any regularity.

Culture is a living thing; it evolves. There was a time when Usenet was definitely part of the Internet's culture, but today is not that time.

Ads (1)

schiefaw (552727) | more than 5 years ago | (#28268995)

Ahhh, Usenet...

I remember when someone spammed ads in the groups. There was a huge uproar over the notion that someone would attempt to use the Internet for commercial purposes.

readnews dot com (5, Informative)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269053)

When my isp dropped usenet, I switched to readnews.com. It was something like $7 or $7.50 a month. I created an account, set up automatic billing, switched my news reader to the readnews nntp server, and forgot about it. It's a lot faster than my old ISP's news server ever was, especially when doing mass newsgroup updates, actually making use of the 20 Mbit pipe. They don't appear to do any newsgroup filtering, if you're concerned about that sort of thing.

Of course, I have no connection to readnews.com except as a customer. My first job on a Unix box back in 1982 was as the local usenet administrator, (ah, the days of "B" news and 1200 baud modems...) have always gotten Usenet for free, so it grates to have to pay for it, but I have to admit, the service works flawlessly.

Someone will inevitably point out that you can access news on groups.google.com. That service is excellent for searching for articles, but it fails when you're trying to browse a lot of articles. The interface is just too slow. If you're using usenet as a resource, google groups is fine. If you're actually trying to actively participate in any really effective fashion, you'll need a local news reader and an nntp service.

Cheapest Usenet provider I know (1)

synthespian (563437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269075)

...is

news.individual.net

10 Euros/year only. No binaries - so that means you won't see pictures of recipes in alt.binary.food.

But that's enough for posting your questions in your favorite comp.lang.* groups.

And anybody with half a brain who's not born yesterday (Facebook/Tweeter kiddos) who's tried using Usenet newsgroups knows there's nothing better for tapping into the wisdom of experts.

check Hot Deals Forum in Fatwallet.com (1)

m509272 (1286764) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269151)

check Hot Deals Forum in Fatwallet.com search for usenet for the deals thread on this topic

individual.net (2, Informative)

Charles Dodgeson (248492) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269167)

individual.net is ideal.
  • Cheap
  • Correct response to XHDR requests
  • No Binaries
  • Good spam filtering

usenet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28269277)

What's that?

Back in the day... (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269285)

When I ran a little ISP, we kept a 7-day Usenet feed. It came off MCI, took almost 10GB, and was a pain to manage. We got a satellite link and cut back to 3 days, then back up to 7 when some users howled. My boss said to cut back to 3 days unless users had 'legitimate' needs, not ABPE for instance.

Users dutifully provided legitimate uses. Comp.* was the favorite.

Well, it grew to the point that storage was becoming a pain, and an hour's delay overnight got my pager whining from the ABPE fanbois going apeshit over not having the next day's segments to download over their modem link. Please.

SO we abandoned it, and got users going to MCI's Usenet feed directly. Not better, but I saved a whole server.

Some day day we will be sitting around a nice fire, beverages in hand, and waxking poetic about the demise of SMTP. How in the old days, email was so simple, except for the spam and phishing.

We are close to the end of an era. The kinder, gentler, family Internet. It hasn't been that way for a while, of course, but dammit I miss Jon Postel, and getting things done with an RFC and three guys saying "Hell yeah, it SHOULD work like that!". And being able to call someone and get a spammer shut down for a few weeks, until they found a new MCI rep. And people who's purpose was just to figure something out, not to ruin your service and strip your bank account.

Ah, the days...

Hoax (to be determined) (1)

Hieronymus Hero (1082235) | more than 5 years ago | (#28269299)

Various AT&T employees at various levels have yet to confirm to various customers that this isn't a hoax. The one person who occasionally posts to AT&T's fire-walled internal help groups and actually is responsible for maintaining the company's nntp servers has yet to comment.
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