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Linux To Be First OS To Support USB 3.0

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the three-upmanship dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with an excerpt from Neowin.net "Sarah Sharp, a self-styled 'geekess' and Linux developer at Intel's Open Source Technology Center who has recently been working on the Linux USB subsystem, announced on her blog that support of USB 3.0 will soon be integrated into the Linux kernel. This makes Linux the first operating system to support the standard. If you can't wait and have the expertise necessary, she includes instructions on how to get USB 3.0 support in Linux now." Here's Sharp's post.

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Even better on my Linux box... (5, Funny)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301001)

My Linux box goes to USB 11

Could someone post a link? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301007)

To a picture of her. I wonder if she is hot.

Re:Could someone post a link? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301079)

Looks good to me:
http://sarah.thesharps.us/

Re:Could someone post a link? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301173)

Holy shit! I hooked up with her in college once. Sex wasn't stellar (we we're both shitfaced, so par for the course). She had a pretty decent trim job on her beaver, IIRC. I was kind of expecting a hairy mess, to be honest (not that I would turn it down).

So, been there, done that.

Re:Could someone post a link? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301251)

Holy shit! I hooked up with her in college once. Sex wasn't stellar (we we're both shitfaced, so par for the course). She had a pretty decent trim job on her beaver, IIRC. I was kind of expecting a hairy mess, to be honest (not that I would turn it down).

So, been there, done that.

So, I take it you are a virgin?

Re:Could someone post a link? (1, Funny)

Qubit (100461) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301973)

I could engage in some huge diatribe about how you're objectifying women and you shouldn't be a douche online 'cause that makes the geek girls uncomfortable.

But I'm not even going to need that line. I'm just going to point out what she says on her blog [thesharps.us] :

Vim automatic spell checking is my crutch

Vim. Vim!. As in "Mmmmmmm, I love vi."

Arrrrggggghhhhh!!!! So sad. Another soul lost...

Okay, all together now: "I wish they all could be Emacs girls..."

Re:Could someone post a link? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28302055)

She's even hotter in this pic:

http://www.woolfsimmonds.co.uk/sarah-sharp.html [woolfsimmonds.co.uk]

Re:Could someone post a link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28302179)

Wow! I am amazed at how revealing that picture is! She certainly not trying to keep her looks a secret.

Re:Could someone post a link? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301113)

Just follow the link.

Kinda chunky but cute. Reminds me of Heather Graham with a few extra pounds. Not bad, and a geek even better.

Re:Could someone post a link? (5, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301771)

Sarah Sharp, a self-styled 'geekess'

I don't care what she looks like. If she refers to herself as a "geekess", she's off my list based on annoyability quotient.

Anyway, you want fun, you gotta go for the Liberal Arts majors. They read "erotica" and learn all that kama sutra stuff.

Or, do what I did and go for a mathematician. For some reason, female mathematicians are sex machines. The trick is to find one that doesn't look like Leonid Brezhnev with lipstick.

Here's the secret: hang around the math department and look for the girls with names that sound like they're from the former Soviet Bloc. I don't know why, but over there they breed a certain type of hot chick with strong math aptitude. Probably a result of some sort of early genetic experiment before the fall of the USSR. Anyway, they get over here and go to our best math schools and since back home all the guys are brooding boors who drink too much and don't bathe, it can be as simple as being nice to them (and, of course, bathing regularly). Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president. They still hold a grudge about all the bombing of Belgrade and stuff.

If you play your cards right, you'll end up with a female that looks like Milla Jovovic and has a brain like Pierre de Fermat. They end up with a nice job in a math department somewhere (or even better, the financial sector) and BAM! you're home relaxed, playing Far Cry 2 and commenting on Slashdot, writing a novel the same way that Brian from Family Guy is "writing a novel" and in twenty minutes she comes home bringing bacon. Of course, be prepared to cook dinner occasionally and perform like a tantric guru. It can be a sweet, if tiring existence.

Now excuse me, I have something on the stove.

Re:Could someone post a link? (4, Funny)

abigor (540274) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302001)

Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president. They still hold a grudge about all the bombing of Belgrade and stuff.

That's only if she's a Serb. If she's Croatian, it could be a point in your favour.

The takeaway here is that paying attention to geopolitics can pay great dividends.

Re:Could someone post a link? (0, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302149)

You mean there best math students are sent here and they have an apitidude more maths?
Wow, who would have thought~

She's a looker (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301013)

Like a Ferengi without the big ears. But what's she doing off of the homeworld?

Re:She's a looker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301421)

Actually, going from the photo on her web site, she is hot-looking. I'd totally hit that.

But how can she be both hot and a geek? Aren't those supposed to be mutually-exclusive, at least on slashdot?

Re:She's a looker (0, Troll)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301547)

Oh, that just means she's a lesbian. Some strange stuff happens on the outer edges of the bell curve. Ever wonder why all of the smartest people have also been crazy, too?

Re:She's a looker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301997)

> she's a lesbian.

You say that like it's a bad thing. I say, more power to 'em - so long as we can watch...

Wasn't it also the first for USB too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301041)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Linux the first for the original USB too? Well that, or USB 2.0

Re:Wasn't it also the first for USB too? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301463)

USB 2.0. I'll guarantee you that USB 1.x was running on Windows long before linux. >.> .

Too bad (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301043)

That they'll break 50 other things adding USB 3.0 support. Probably in the final -rc, just to make sure they don't get fixed before the "release".

bleeding edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301045)

bleeding edge ;)

Another win for OSS community (5, Interesting)

adosch (1397357) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301067)

Chalk one up for Intel and Linux kernel OSS support! IMHO, a big milestone in the fact that Linux kernel development is always teetering on the bleeding edge. This isn't going to change much for the novice user unless distro's do their part and package in the kernel support for it, but for the more savvy users and testers, it's going to help USB 3.0 mature very quickly and get the bugs worked out faster. I dig it.

Re:Another win for OSS community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301129)

You're missing a huge point, though. While Linux may be the first OS to support USB 3.0, devices that make use of USB 3.0 will still not have drivers.

Re:Another win for OSS community (5, Informative)

Vanders (110092) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301209)

devices that make use of USB 3.0 will still not have drivers.

That's simply not true. The USB 3.0 spec. is mostly concerned with the phy. & bus. The xHCI spec covers the HCD. The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.

CPU usage? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301933)

devices that make use of USB 3.0 will still not have drivers.

That's simply not true. The USB 3.0 spec. is mostly concerned with the phy. & bus. The xHCI spec covers the HCD. The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.

So does that mean CPU usage will be 100% when I copy files to a hard drive?

Historically this is the main reason why I always went with FireWire for external enclosures--USB killed CPU on heavy duty workloads. (Of course I haven't used external USB in a while, so my information may now be out of date.)

And I know we generally have CPU cycles to spare, but it just grates on my engineering "sensitivities" and comes off as an inelegant design. Things may have improved over the years, but early problems have made USB a stigma in my mind for anything more than keyboards and mice.

Re:Another win for OSS community (3, Informative)

Curtman (556920) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302021)

The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.

According to this [hothardware.com] :

USB 3.0, which will also be called SuperSpeed USB, will be backward compatible with current USB devices, and will support transfer speeds of up to 4.8Gb/sec (600MB/Sec)--which is ten times faster than Hi-Speed USB (USB 2.0).

There's some good info in that article.

Re:Another win for OSS community (4, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301367)

I'm only making an educated guess, but it seems to me that the drivers for the actual device don't change much.

For example: the same USB HID drivers work on 1 or 2. The very same network driver works on my internal ethernet port and my ExpressCard.

Kind of like how WoW doesn't care if you're on wired or wireless, any decent driver should be high-level enough not to care if you're on USB 2 or 3.

Re:Another win for OSS community (0, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301199)

Linux: more bleeding edge than a pussy on the rag.

Re:Another win for OSS community (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301481)

Isn't the whole point of the rag to take the edge off of the bleeding?

Re:Another win for OSS community (4, Funny)

Zencyde (850968) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301579)

Slashdot + talking about menstruation = NO!

Re:Another win for OSS community (1)

ZarathustraDK (1291688) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301789)

Eumenorrhea denotes normal, regular menstruation that lasts for a few days (usually 3 to 5 days, but anywhere from 2 to 7 days is considered normal).[2] The average blood loss during menstruation is 35 millilitres with 10-80 mL considered normal;[3] many women also notice shedding of the endometrium lining that appears as tissue mixed with the blood. (Sometimes this is erroneously thought to indicate an early-term miscarriage of an embryo.) An enzyme called plasmin â" contained in the endometrium â" tends to inhibit the blood from clotting. Because of this blood loss, premenopausal women have higher dietary requirements for iron to prevent iron deficiency. Many women experience uterine cramps, also referred to as dysmenorrhea, during this time, caused largely by the contractions of the uterine muscle as it expels the endometrial blood from the woman's body. A vast industry has grown to provide drugs to aid in these cramps, as well as sanitary products to help manage menses.

Re:Another win for OSS community (0, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301971)

Plus it's better for sex: The lubrication eliminates the need for boring and time-consuming foreplay, and the increased blood flow "down there" helps the ladies with their cramps. Just be more gentle than usual all-around and lay down plenty of black towels.

Then, when you're done, immediately throw the towels in the washing machine and have a shower together. Just don't look down at the drain unless you're into Norman Bates.

+1 speaking from experience ^_^

Re:Another win for OSS community (1)

mR.bRiGhTsId3 (1196765) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301553)

This isn't going to change much for anyone. I wasn't even aware there were consumer devices/computers that were shipping with USB 3 ports yet.

yay (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301075)

And I'll adopt it after it's been out for a while and everyone else works the bugs out.

I don't want first, I want stable.

Any USB 3.0 hardware? (3, Insightful)

moon3 (1530265) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301103)

Nice to hear that, but are there any USB 3.0 devices to plug ?

Re:Any USB 3.0 hardware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301267)

Sure. If you can get the development hardware. Actual consumer devices won't be out till 2010, with maybe a few in 2009.

Re:Any USB 3.0 hardware? (3, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301559)

Devices, I would be more concerned about finding a hardware adaptor to install into your computer first. The devices come after you have something you can plug them into.

About time! (0, Redundant)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301105)

I was waiting for USB3 support! Now all my USB3 devices will work in Linux but not in Windows. Drivers? What are they? Oh and when can I buy a USB4 powered reading light?

Re:About time! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301137)

Drivers? What are they?

USB 3.0 doesn't significantly change any of the class definitions. The standard USB drivers will need little, if any, changes to fully support USB 3.0 devices.

The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (1, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301117)

like Doctor or Actor.

Geekess would mean you are just a sub geek. Please, clearly you are all geek.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301135)

actor? actress

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (1, Redundant)

SBrach (1073190) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301761)

Actor is the correct word for both male and female.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302025)

Actor is the correct word for both male and female.

No, "actor" is a (not "the") correct word for either male and female; it is also not incorrect to use it specifically to refer to males.

"Actress" is also a correct word, specifically for female.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (0, Flamebait)

SBrach (1073190) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302165)

If you are looking for a sexist way to refer to a female actor then i suppose you are correct.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302173)

No, it's a nonsense word.

Like Doctoress or Plumberess.

It is forced into the vocabulary by women who, for some reason, feel equal means making up new words. I blame Hollywood for being to afraid to correct it.

Post to negate bad moderation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301241)

Sorry ...

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301269)

Agreed.

My mother isn't a particularly progressive person, but she was quite clear when she told me that adding a feminine suffix to a professional noun is demeaning.

Geek isn't exactly a professional noun, but it's close enough.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301285)

I believe you are thinking of the word, "Actress". Try to pick better examples next time.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (3, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302181)

Nope.
The correct word is actor.
Same for waiter, steward etc.

If you're talking about titles, such as Count, or Duke, or Prince, you can go to Countess, or Duchess, or Princess if the position itself gives powers/responsibilities specifically to the wife of the holder (and thus there is actually a separate title to take on).

A (male) Steward of an estate or position being married would not (usually) confer any responsibilities or powers upon his wife, and thus, a Steward's wife was NOT a Stewardess.
A (female) Steward's husband would not have a separate title either.

Today (in the US) the only one I can think of is First Lady. Were we to have a female President, I expect a full month of Wolf Blitzer and crew debating what to call her husband. Hollywood already nailed down "Madame President" (analogous to "Mr. President") through various TV shows and movies.

Congressman and Congresswoman are incorrect.
Senator and Representative are correct. The two are designed to be separate, dammit. Having two Houses of Congress means literally having two damned buildings and bodies (houses) of meeting (congress) that are separate.
If you really need a term for a member of either one, Congressionor is a pretty bad-ass-sounding title.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (1)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301313)

Okay, what about geekette?

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301625)

How about geek with pendulous tits?
That is still gender neutral.

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301879)

How about geek with pendulous tits?
That is still gender neutral.

and on Slashdot it isn't even gender indicative

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (3, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301419)

Geekess would mean you are just a sub geek.

Why exactly? Although not productive anymore, the -ess morpheme is used in English words like actress to indicate a female noun.

Why does her choice of neologism mean she's a "sub geek?"

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301457)

Who the hell modded the above post "Interesting"? Informative would be more accurate.

"Geekess" is equally as retarded as "webmistress". Yes, because the term "webmaster" implies male gender. Uhh, what?

Re:The word 'Geek' is gender neutral (1)

setagllib (753300) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302169)

When did "master of the house" ever mean a woman? The master/mistress word divide has been there since before electricity.

Poor naming (3, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301119)

The official USB 3 logo has the phrase "superspeed" on it, and the icon has a matching "SS"

Who keeps on doing this!! Being a relative term, you'll be up to ludicrous speed by USB 5.
Ditto for fast ethernet.

Re:Poor naming (0, Troll)

rcamans (252182) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301381)

We are already at ludicrous speed. Have you tried to launch or us any MS apps in Intel hardware that has less than dual core?
Ludicrously slow.

Re:Poor naming (1)

Chabo (880571) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301417)

I see the "Superspeed", but I don't see an "SS". Do you mean the red and blue arrows?

USB 2.0 was called "Hi-Speed", so if you don't like that designation, just use the version number.

Even worse than you can imagine (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301765)

83 thousand workers all over the globe including Israel and they can't figure out why companies never use anything matching "SS"? Perhaps they should also add original swastika and can explain they used it in terms of original meaning.

We used a stylish logo with "SS" letters once at TV and we had our lesson. If Intel calls their Israel office, they can be surprised.

Remember they jumped to 667 Mhz instead of natural 666 in Pentium since people were already putting "Satan Inside" logos on web? Yes, SS still sounds like the SS from WW2. It will be trouble. That is why companies like Apple, Microsoft have huge databases for naming products and even filenames in their operating systems.

Re:Even worse than you can imagine (2, Interesting)

tyrione (134248) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301905)

Seriously? I was thinking of Super Sport. Should all those classic car collectors crap themselves a pile of guilt because you go straight to Weisswurst or Die every time SS follow one another?

Only a mental moron thinks 666 means Satan. Even a Rabbi will laugh their ass off on that butchered Qabalistic interpretation.

Hell they might even mock you and say, ``Stay back you devil's advocate!''

Grow up. This Satan fallacy for the past 2,000 plus years has got to be the greatest one-trick lie ever spread.

Ask anyone on street what 666 stands for (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302015)

Oh I bet the moron at Intel thought exactly like you. Guess what? You don't design the names/logos based on 1-2% of population. You base them on 98% which includes every kind of uneducated, fanatic freak out there.

USB3 "super speed" lame name will transform to "SS" and people will really be bugged about it. Look past browser window displaying slashdot, there is a World out there and they have no clue about the real root of number 666.

Re:Even worse than you can imagine (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302103)

I'm with you on this. I still have dreams of finally getting my hands on a '67 Nova SS fuel prices be damned.
I'll even smuggle in Tetra-ethyl lead if I have to.
-nB

Re:Poor naming (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301951)

That SS really confused me.. In Holland we have a not so positive meaning associated with those two letters (same for SA) they are the only two letter combination that is not allowed in license plates for example.

It means almost nothing (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301205)

I may have to preface this with the fact that I am a hard core Linux user. I run Mac OS on the wife's machines. I have a WindowsXP VM. That's about it for me personally. I use Linux exclusively and favorably. But what I have to say is the objective truth the way I see it... objectively.

It means nothing to Windows pushers and nothing to Mac pushers. It only means something when they have something that Linux doesn't support. Then they can point their fingers and say "Linux doesn't support my hardware [again]!"

Linux isn't entitled to bragging rights of any kind. Sure we have snazzy 3D OpenGL desktops with cubes and spheres. Sure we have the ability to many things "unencumbered" by DRM or other schemes while at the same time can play all media (so far). There are lots of games natively written for Linux though not the ones someone wants to play usually... (No WoW and no chance in hell of an OpenGL version of XWing vs. Tie Fighter....)

The point is what Linux has is completely unimportant to others... even when they DON'T have it. What is important is what Linux doesn't have.

Still, I'll chalk this little bullet point up in Linux's favor... but at the same time, none of it matters until really useful USB 3.0 devices are available and at that time there WILL be Windows drivers and support and there WILL be Mac OS X support. "Sure, you had it first... but what could you do with it?"

(I'll still get modded troll)

For that matter (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301377)

There may already be Windows drivers, Microsoft may have simply not released them since, lacking final hardware, that isn't a real useful thing to do. However internally there could well be a driver prepped and ready to go.

Is this really a nice thing for USB3? (2, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301557)

As you mention MS, something comes to my mind... There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers and such "Linux gets support first" gestures could either be a kick to them or could guarantee USB3 becoming a failure just because MS didn't include drivers.

While Apple is certainly more nice company than MS, Apple is the one who always loves "We had it here first" type of things and all (excluding hopeless fanatics) must thank Apple for helping USB to really take off, with first iMac.

So, they are taking the chance to make SJobs telling how amazingly fast, unbeliavable thing USB 3 is. If I was a company working on USB3 like, multimedia focused technology, I wouldn't make Apple mad too.

Especially while there is certainly incoming FW3200 technology, significantly more modern than USB (thanks to its roots) and it half belongs to Apple. They can say "We are waiving our patent price for implementing it and here are its specs including comically low CPU usage". Firewire 1600/3200 is _really_ 1600 and 3200 mbit, no overhead etc. issues and you can CHAIN them without losing bandwidth. Think about netbooks having to have 3-4 USB inputs in such small space. A single FW1600 can handle all with amazing speed. What stops firewire? Of course, the high price of implementation. Apple can actually erase half or more of the price instantly with a single memo.

There are some great technologies failed just because they weren't supported on Windows natively. Just look how that FAT16/32 dinosaur lives on while there are dozens of better filesystems out there.

Re:Is this really a nice thing for USB3? (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301717)

There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers and such "Linux gets support first" gestures could either be a kick to them or could guarantee USB3 becoming a failure just because MS didn't include drivers.

Not really. You're wrong because:

  1. USB3 drivers can be bundled with the controllers.
  2. If you mean a stack for USB3, Bluetooth was implemented on XP by WIDCOMM, I see no reason USB3 couldn't also be implemented by a third party.
  3. If everyone but Microsoft has USB3, they will look like bitches. They will add USB3 support just to have the line item. It will suck, just like their USB2 and Bluetooth support, but it will be there.

Re:Is this really a nice thing for USB3? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301947)

We had a USB Bluetooth dongle and it took 3 days until I give up trying and plugged a infra receiver on a XP PC. That is the Widcomm you speak about.

As I never throw away devices, I plugged the same thing to OS X 10.2.7 running on G5, I was amazed to see there is a bluetooth icon appearing instantly. As XP SP2/SP3 has built in bluetooth support, same icon appeared on very same OS when I tried later.

Bundling things doesn't really work. I still have gigantic driver CD in hand and I dare you to make it work in single step on Windows original XP. ;)

Re:Is this really a nice thing for USB3? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302069)

As you mention MS, something comes to my mind... There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers
There is also nothing stopping intel writing them themselves.

Re:Is this really a nice thing for USB3? (2, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302111)

and we all know, users really install third party drivers that didn't come with their computer.

If you speak with a browser vendor like Firefox, Opera, you may get surprised about how a huge part of population doesn't install their better application just because it didn't come with computer.

Basically, how many people installed "Intel chipset drivers" (a very small download) to their XP which will make their PC perform way better and compatible?

Re:It means almost nothing (0)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301599)

Open source did a lot of things first. Tabbed browsing, multiple desktops, there are probably a lot of things.

Re:It means almost nothing (5, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301861)

Neither Amiga (Virtual desktops in 1985) or NeWS (tabbed windows and browsing, 1988) were open source.

Actually happens with USB2 now (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301645)

I was planning a iMac 24" and looking for a secondary display solution since I used 2 monitors even back in Windows 98. So, I checked the "real life solution" USB2 scene (e.g. not toasters) a bit.

First stuff to use USB3 will certainly be SSD drives and later, "secondary display" or even "main display" (e.g. opengl 2/3 capable) GPU stuff will start shipping.

So, if USB3 is supported under Linux but the GPU solution, likely from a Taiwan/China company doesn't have driver/GUI app... It will be a really ironic situation. I am not mocking Linux, same thing will likely happen to OS X too. I am somehow sure the actual working USB3 devices will run under Windows first.

Re:It means almost nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301871)

Sure we have the ability to many things "unencumbered" by DRM or other schemes while at the same time can play all media (so far).

Yeah you can't do that on Windows. Oh, wait..

Re:It means almost nothing (1)

ksheff (2406) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301875)

One would think that it wouldn't be odd to have a hardware manufacturer use an OS that they can change as they see fit in order to develop and test new hardware.

Re:It means almost nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301881)

WoW runs on WINE, biznatch.

But surely M$ will be a close second, very soon... (1)

Klistvud (1574615) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301219)

... filing for Chapter 7. Oops, I meant following with Windows 7.

Jade Raymond is more of a hottie and geek! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301309)

title says it all.

You should be running Linux in 1990s (1, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301383)

To figure how huge thing this is, you should be running Linux in 1990s and tried to use USB early, practical devices such as mouse.

Windows 95 with "hacked in" USB support was working better with USB devices. We ended up struggling for hours and ending up with PS/2 adapter coming with USB mouse under Linux. Need to say more?

Re:You should be running Linux in 1990s (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28302161)

bash.org [bash.org]

Grover: On my linux box, I once swapped out the motherboard, put in a new video card, doubled the RAM, installed a CD burner, installed a RAID array of (6) 200GB SATA Drives, and overclocked the CPU without ever rebooting it

Rusty: Didn't you reboot it a few weeks ago?

Grover: Yeah, I had to reboot to install my Thumb Drive

i won't be touching it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301451)

sorry, i'm heterosexual. i can't use linux.

You think it's that easy to stay in the closet? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#28301627)

Look you can't hide your sexuality just by avoiding Linux. It's way too obvious for that. It's like thinking nobody will realize you're gay if you just don't go into gay bars, while continuing to wear silk shirts with ruffles and frills with the front open, and having sex with other men in public.

I don't know why you want to stay in the closest, but believe me it's not working your closet is made of glass. Why not just be proud of who you are, and then you can use any OS you want and visit that nice leather bar you pretend not to look longingly at every time you pass.

The worst part about this naming scheme (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301565)

This naming scheme invites shady marketing. You know we're going to see USB3.0 mice. They'll be USB3.0 alright, just implementing the low-speed part of the spec. It doesn't matter in case of mice, but users will not expect USB3.0 external hard disks to just implement "hi-speed", yet we will see this kind of up-labeling again: "USB3.0 Hi-Speed."

(The Superspeed logo does not have SS in it - that would have been a major marketing faux-pas.)

no wait, it is 5000 mbit! (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302085)

I wonder if Firewire guys (including Apple) stop telling the true bandwidth of Firewire 1600/3200 and adopt AMD naming scheme?

If USB3 claims 5 gigabit and yet performs same as firewire 3200, Firewire (IEEE1394) should use Firewire 5000 and wait for Intel to say a WORD about it.

Enough with this fake bandwidth scheme by CPU monopoly company really.

Years ahead and years behind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28301885)

Just tried to get GNU/Linux to work on my dual-monitor machine -- which is currently running Windows 2000 -- and it doesn't work! Seriously, it JustWorks(tm) in Windows 2000, but doesn't work in GNU/Linux in 2009.

So, yay for the Linux kernel getting USB3.0 support (despite the fact no-one outside the GNU/Linux geek world will notice), boo for not even support dual monitors, iPods, bluetooth, software RAID, Intel/ATi graphics cards (Ubuntu is regression city at the moment) or a single sound library (so it's not possible to run Skype, Flash and Rhythmbox at the same time, for example).

In fact, I'd say that there are far more important things to the GNU/Linux ecosystem than USB3.0 support. That's probably why GNU/Linux is a failure on the desktop though: you can't tell the developers what to work on. People should seriously stop advocating it as being ready for the desktop though (see reasons above), they're not going to earn any friends that way. Even Mark Shuttleworth hesitates to recommend Ubuntu!

Re:Years ahead and years behind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28302201)

"boo for not even support dual monitors"

Before I got my widescreen, I could get support in 30 seconds once I had my drivers installed, which also only takes 30 seconds.

"iPods"

I see dozens of software that floats around a great deal of Linux repos that prove you wrong.

"bluetooth"

See my first point. Except I didn't even have to install drivers. Just had to plug in my dongle and HOLY FUCK it worked without me doing anything!

"software RAID"

I don't waste my time with RAID, so I won't comment. KVM?

"Intel/ATi graphics cards"

Intel is fine, ATI sucks, but that's ATI's fault, not Linux's. You want ATI cards to work well on Linux troll ATI not Linux, or realize that GeForce is better and get one.

"or a single sound library"

Applying the idiocy of Ubuntu to everyone now? Try using a distribution that does make the mistake of using that, which is basically all but three of them.

"In fact, I'd say that there are far more important things to the GNU/Linux ecosystem than USB3.0 support."

Just because YOUR hardware doesn't work? Most everyone I've talked to about Linux was happy with how ALL their hardware worked out of the box as opposed to Windows, which will frequently have only half to none of your hardware working at all.

completely irrelevant unless people write drivers (1, Flamebait)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 4 years ago | (#28302057)

It doesn't matter who's first (just think: which company produced the first commercial TV set, or SLR camera - much good did it do them today). What does matter is who has the best support.

Given that Linux can't even support the vast majority of USB 1 devices that are out there, since none of the hardware manufacturers think it's worth spending the time and money to write drivers, provide a support channel and publicise the fact, just slapping a USB 3 stack into the kernel means nothing.

Let's see how many peripheral manufacturers bring out linux drivers for their kit, before they bring out Windows X drivers. That's the only thing that would make a difference.

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