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Bill Gates Helps Fund Mass Circumcision Program

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the creating-a-foreskin-monopoly dept.

Idle 15

Relying on recent studies, and not Bullshit! season 3, episode 1, Bill Gates has injected $50 million into a program to circumcise up to 650,000 men in Swaziland and Zambia. The project hopes to curb the spread of HIV in the region. "It's great news, and this is exactly what's needed," says Catherine Hankins, chief scientific adviser at UNAIDS. "We've been working on development of guidance and technical support, and these development partners are now being funded to take it forward."

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Oh gawd... (2, Funny)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 5 years ago | (#28352743)

As a businessman, he went for our wallets; now as a philanthropist he's going for our genitals.

Seriously (1)

Flea of Pain (1577213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28353671)

What the he11 is he doing in that picture? Is he demonstrating how his surgery is better than Apple's by means of illustration?

Re:Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28360453)

What the fuck is he11?

Re:Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28362023)

You know - H. E. double hockey sticks.

The circumspection/cision blooper strikes again! (1)

Klistvud (1574615) | more than 5 years ago | (#28354119)

Having read somewhere that "in order to curb the spread of HIV, people should proceed with circumspection when meeting new sexual partners", Gates apparently understood they "should proceed with circumcision". It's the same type of blunder that made a former US President, upon seeing a news ticker about "Castro rating Cubans as hollow", exclaim: "We should be castrating Cubans assholes". Actually, seeing how the world is being run, this sort of blunder must occur rather frequently among the powers that be.

That will work (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 5 years ago | (#28354527)

Because we all know that no one without a foreskin ever got HIV.

Re:That will work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28355445)

Well, there was a study suggesting that circumcision reduced HIV tranfer rate.
 
Then there was another saying the opposite.

I GOT MINE (1)

dartmongrel (855947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28357859)

fuck am I ever glad to be european. Americans are all wannabe jews.

Re:I GOT MINE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28362935)

Yea, we're glad you're European as well you bigoted asshole.

Wow circumsision costs $76.92 per person. (1)

yourassOA (1546173) | more than 5 years ago | (#28357873)

Todays special half off.
Obligatory Mel Brooks quote.

Computing The Biological (1)

Shadow-Copy (1194657) | more than 5 years ago | (#28358745)

Not many are aware, but this is a very new direction in binary 'sensitivity.

  Being able to sense a disease, just by walking in front of a sensor. I'm surprised they only talked about AIDS. They wanted to be able to not only give one functionality to sensing but use it for Customs. Like, other trading measures to keep infections that not only are harmful to people, but like the parasite that was killing bees in America..

This new technology has been underway for sometime. Which I'm stunned to see Microsoft jumping into this computing study.

Another reason to switch to Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28358789)

In Swaziland, the HIV rate among non-circumcised men is 19.5%, and among circumcised men, 21.8%, according to the National Demographic and Health surveys (http://www.measuredhs.com/countries/). So tell us again how circumcising more men is going to make the HIV rate go down?

Good intentions, but probably bad idea (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28359237)

Let's just assume, in order to sidestep one major argument, that this program is going to be exclusively for consenting adults and not for infants. That way, hopefully, we can avoid having the moral debate with regards to circumcision.

Given that assumption, I see several major flaws:

1) Getting circumcised to prevent aids is a bit like a man wearing heated underwear to prevent pregnancy. Sure it does seem to statistically reduce your odds of becoming infected, but it's nowhere near as a safe and effective as a simple condom.

2) It's a lot more expensive than a condom. I suppose you might argue that the lifetime cost is less than with a lifetime supply of condoms -- that may be the case, I have no idea what a lifetime supply of condoms would be. However, I'm guessing that, since condom usage should only be needed outside of a monogamous relationship (assuming testing is available and you can convince people to get tested), that probably is less to to supply someone with condoms for life. After all, this is effectively a "surgery" that's being performed. Equipment needs to be steralized, there would need to be some sort of local anesthetic, latex gloves, antiseptic, etc, etc. All that adds up, even if you've got a doctor giving his time for free.

3) It's probably a tougher sell. I heard a story that one of the studies that established the existence of a reduction in HIV infections among circumcised men apparently had many, many eager volunteers for the procedure once word got around that it was somewhat effective. Still, I imagine that speaks more to the desperation of the situation and not necessarily to the desire of most men to have someone take a knife to their genitals. I'd imagine if there was a OPTION given of circumcision OR free condoms, and people understood condoms to be 99.999% effective -- that most people would take the condoms. Again, I could be wrong. I'm by no means an expert on African culture -- but I just gotta believe that guys are guys everywhere.

So ultimately, you have a drastic, less effective and more expensive alternative to the condom. Why on earth would this be an effective use of money? And again, I'm not even touching upon the serious, and often unconsidered, moral arguments with regards to any circumcision program targeted also at children/infants. That's a whole can of worms unto itself.

hmmm (1)

GordonCopestake (941689) | more than 5 years ago | (#28361179)

Am I the only one that read the title as "Bill Gates helps in mass circumcision program".

I've heard of mucking in but thats ridiculous

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