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Man Attacked In Ohio For Providing Iran Proxies

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the never-underestimate-stupidity dept.

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David Hume writes "electronicmaji is reporting on the Daily Kos that the individual known as ProtesterHelp (also to be found on twitter) was attacked in Ohio for providing network security for Twitterers in Iran, setting up private networks to provide secure proxies, calling for media networks to remove the Iranians Twitterers' information from their broadcast, and providing counter-intelligence services (including Basiji and Army Locations) within the Twitter community. ProtesterHelp was allegedly attacked by a group of men while walking to class in Ohio. The men, who appeared to ProtesterHelp to be either Iranian or Lebanese, drove up beside him and threw rocks at him while shouting, 'Mousavi Fraud.' ProtesterHelp further reported that his personal information has been leaked, and is currently being spread both online and inside of Iran amongst the government." Relatedly, Wired is also reporting that Google and Facebook have rushed out support for Persian. This move has allowed many pro-democracy groups to connect and translate their message to a broader audience.

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Waiting for it... (2, Insightful)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395077)

A man on US soil gets attacked by agents of a foreign government.

Slashdot response: "It's the US's fault".

Discuss.

Re:Waiting for it... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395101)

That post would be a troll if it didn't have some truth to it.

Re:Waiting for it... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395151)

Yeah, it is kinda sad but true really.

Re:Waiting for it... (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395699)

In my opinion the trolls should be baited with the truth - that's what makes people swallow the hook.

So I thank you for the compliment.

Re:Waiting for it... (2, Insightful)

sbeckstead (555647) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395823)

Even what is true can be a troll if you disagree with it.

Re:Waiting for it... (4, Funny)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395147)

Actually I was going to go with Obama saying it was Rush Limbaugh's fault and Rush Limbaugh saying it was Obama's fault all the while David Letterman was making a wisecrack about one of Palin's daughters as we learn that Jon and Kate are getting a divorce.

Daily Kos' infamous "screw them" comment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395447)

Daily Kos' Elusive "Screw Them" Comment [littlegreenfootballs.com]

Re:Daily Kos' infamous "screw them" comment (1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395707)

Damn, that actually makes me respect Kos a little. Really, who the fuck cries for mercenaries? Kinda the point of the job, really.

I mean, no one wants to be a mercenary and have people mount vigils when they're captured or speak tearful eulogies when they die, otherwise you lose the whole mystique of the profession.

Re:Waiting for it... (0, Troll)

rabuksak (682448) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395601)

I absolutely hate that you nailed that squarely on the head ... which is funny, of course, but at the same time it's not.

Re:Waiting for it... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395247)

I'd be inclined to suspect, pending further information, that the guys who pulled this are your basic freelance nationalists, rather than actual agents. A few guys in a car, throwing rocks to no apparent effect, isn't exactly 007 stuff. A "car accident" (or heck, a standard homicide, those are common enough, just nick the guy's wallet so it looks apolitical) would have been much more professional.

Re:Waiting for it... (5, Insightful)

pluther (647209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395369)

If they tried to hide the reasons for doing it, it would completely defeat the purpose.

Attacks like this are never just, or even primarily, to silence the one guy hit. They're to scare all the rest of the people thinking about doing the same thing.

Drive-by rock throwing (3, Insightful)

msimm (580077) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395515)

Is no way to scare people into silence. A suspicious suicide or burglary would still work better.

Re:Waiting for it... (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395633)

They're idiotic if that is their intention. People considered 'dubya to be a cowboy. Wait until you actually start attacking Americans - then you'll see how rowdy Americans can be.

Re:Waiting for it... (5, Funny)

publiclurker (952615) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395671)

If we were going to go the bush way, we'd have to respond by attacking Brazil.

Re:Waiting for it... (1)

chimpo13 (471212) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395723)

I've got a Brazilian couchsurfer here right now. I'm sure she'll understand if I sock her one.

Re:Waiting for it... (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395727)

I agree that the intention is intimidation; but plausible deniability doesn't necessarily interfere with that.

Had they whacked the guy, all his twitter buddies would have come up with a conspiracy theory on the subject before he had time to cool. And which is scarier: believing that you are subject to a danger that those around you recognize, or believing that you are subject to a danger that most of those around you would laugh at you for believing in?

Re:Waiting for it... (1)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395745)

Well, true... but throwing rocks? Still seems like "freelance nationalists".

If more "dedicated" people wanted this guy to be an example, a simple solution would be a public execution in a dramatic way. Say, a shotgun to the back of the head. More creative types might take a Alexander Litvinenko [wikipedia.org] style approach.

Re:Waiting for it... (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395529)

It was clearly CIA agents trying to come up with a pretense for an invasion of Iran by equipping Iranian-looking people with WMDs (rocks HURT!) and having them attack a True Patriot (tm).

A few laps through the news cycle, and these guys will be reported as a band of agents financed by Osama bin Laden under orders from the Ayatollah to fire nuclear-tipped RPGs at a guy who was on his way to a fundraiser for orphaned babies of US troops killed in Iraq. A quick trip to the UN with a vial of uranium, and we're off to the races.

Really, this is such elementary stuff I'm amazed I have to explain it to you people.

Re:Waiting for it... (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395711)

Weapons of mutilating desecration?

Re:Waiting for it... (1)

jason.sweet (1272826) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395747)

Maybe you missed, but we have a new administration now. W is in Dallas pursuing other opportunities [nbcdfw.com]

Re:Waiting for it... (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395605)

I'd be inclined to suspect, pending further information, that the guys who pulled this are your basic freelance nationalists, rather than actual agents.

Really. My first thought is that they're just your average every day violent assholes, who in this case just happen to be Iranian Ahmadinejad/Khaemeni/establishment supporters in America.

I don't think we need to resort to international conspiracy to explain this.

Re:Waiting for it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395809)

Indeed, why go to the expense of government agents when the "human flesh search engines" [forbes.com] will do the job for you? I've heard of similar things taking place, mostly in China, where zealous nationalists and other general vigilantes have both the power of numbers and the internet to track down and harrass ne'er-do-wells in real life. It even carries over to the US occasionally; a Chinese student at Duke was targeted [nytimes.com] after she tried to mediate between Chinese and Tibetan student groups. I wonder how prevalent this will become in the US; Iranians don't have quite the numbers as the Chinese but really, anyone with say, someone's real name and location, and enough patience and determination can make that person's life pretty miserable.

Re:Waiting for it... (4, Informative)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395841)

A "car accident" (or heck, a standard homicide, those are common enough, just nick the guy's wallet so it looks apolitical) would have been much more professional.

Speaking of...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/17/iran-protests-day-five [guardian.co.uk]

There were unconfirmed reports that Mohammad Asgari, who was responsible for the security of the IT network in Iran's interior ministry, was killed yesterday in a suspicious car accident in Tehran. Asgari had reportedly leaked evidence that the elections were rigged to alter the votes from the provinces. Asgari was said to have leaked information that showed Mousavi had won almost 19m votes, and should therefore be president.

Re:Waiting for it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395285)

It's clearly a terrorist attack. We should liberate Iran.

Re:Waiting for it... (2, Informative)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395335)

Honestly, I am slightly troubled. I spoke with ProtestorHelp last night on the NetAnon. He was also trying to organize a support structure to help Pakistani refugees. I feel bad for him, he seemed like a swell fellow.

Re:Waiting for it... (5, Informative)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395391)

For all the hatred spewed at the direction of the USA, I've got to say there's quite an effort underway by normal citizens to help. There are people from all over the world trying to help, but I'd say a good number of them are from the USA.

I've been lurking around the IRC channels for a few days. Folks have been working on setting up proxies, and doing what they can to help. I question whether anything is actually being accomplished, but my hat is off to anyone who is at least trying to help facilitate communication. Personally, since I'm not a developer, I haven't found too much I can do. There are more than enough proxies out there at this point...

Re:Waiting for it... (0, Offtopic)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395541)

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Re:Waiting for it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395757)

You could say they're trying to help, or you could say they're trying to further American interests by supporting dissidents and sowing disorder in Iran to attempt to oust the government that the people voted for and clearly want in power.

Re:Waiting for it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395503)

I blame wind power, gay weddings and Obama bin Laden.

The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395505)

In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.

Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.

We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.

The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.

Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.

Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and the Iranian people.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth - Asians are Bad (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395689)

They work far too hard and make everyone else in the world look bad. God I hate them so very much! They are the "Flanders" of cultures and race. Stupid sexy Flanders!!!! Grrrrrrrr....

Re:Waiting for it... (0, Flamebait)

insomniac8400 (590226) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395795)

US's fault? It's 9/11 all over again. Obama should be making a live announcement shortly about our military response to this unprovoked attack.

It will be ugly (3, Interesting)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395091)

Islam hardliners see current Iran's regime as only force who can stand against 'Western corruption'. They are desperate as they influence around the world shrinks after more moderate US goverment came into power. So it propably wasn't ordered attack, just people who sees current democratical movement with Mousavi as leader as real threat for the regime.

So this fight will echo around the world. If you support those guys in Iran, be ready to take some hits. Let's hope there won't be killings or something, but it will be ugly nevertheless.

Not quite right about the Islam connection (5, Insightful)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395319)

For a start Irans shia form of islam means that it will never be seen as a force representing the majority of the muslim world and whilst to an outsider iranians may seem extremely religious they are n't, just look at the youth who are leading this thing.

Islam as the reason for the way things are in Iran is a red herring, the people at the top are basically filthy rich and use the argument of "Gods will" against anyone who they sea as a threat to them, hence the use of the word "devine" by the ayatolla to describe the result.

Re:Not quite right about the Islam connection (5, Insightful)

Cowmonaut (989226) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395787)

Gasp! You mean the people in charge of Iran are basically the same (archetype) as the people in charge of the US!?! Just replace "God's Will" with "Freedom" or whatever other ideology is relevant for your country and leave the rich part in. I guess people really are the same the world over...

The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395339)

In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.

Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.

We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.

The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.

Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.

Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395555)

Wish I had mod points to bump you up.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

Arslan ibn Da'ud (636514) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395655)

Wish I had mod points to bump you up.

Good thing you don't then. GP is a troll; has made the same post elsewhere on this topic, as well as several previous Iranian topics. Was soundly refuted last time. (Hint: The US's [wikipedia.org] deserves a lot of blame.)

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395595)

your idea here is just going to promote a whole lot of nothing. Oh, it will provoke serious Iranian hatred of the US though.

Condemn an entire country's culture?

That's like condemning the country North Korea for what is the choice of a dictator. It's not the country's fault that they're basically living at gunpoint. I don't like XYZ object but condemning it does nothing.

Why don't you go back to whatever you support when you use logic instead of what I am replying to on this one.

Right, that's the only reason (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395345)

They are desperate as they influence around the world shrinks after more moderate US goverment came into power.

So Democracy in Iraq, neighbors to Iran, had no influence at all on Iranians *also* wanting real elections?

I'm not saying having a more moderate U.S. president come into power. But let's not heap glory on only one side while forgetting (or trying to bury) the history that made this point possible.

And speaking of moderate administrations, if students here and abroad are willing to take hits, perhaps the President of the U.S. should be as well. And before you repeat the mistaken idea that Iran will crack down harder if the U.S. spoke in support of the protestors, jut what do you think is happening today? Just what do you think is going to happen tomorrow, as Iran ha already warned? Expressing support and best wishes for the protestors gives them a boost in spirit that they need if they are to succeed. Even the president of France has come out strongly in favor of the protestors...

I only want the best for Iranians as well, as one of my friends grew up in Iran. That is why I am so dissatisfied with the lack of upper level support to date.

Re:It will be ugly (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395571)

So it probably wasn't ordered attack, just people who sees current democratical movement with Mousavi as leader as real threat for the regime. I suppose you believe the Shah of Iran didn't have agents in the US spying on Iranian students here either. Oh, you poor naive little nerd... The current protests will accomplish nothing since there is no chance in hell the ruling elite will reverse themselves on this, but bringing their society to the brink of revolution might just convince them to have much better monitoring and checks and balances for the next election. But no matter who wins an election, Khameini still calls the shots.

wonder how he could have protected himself? (1, Flamebait)

Satanboy (253169) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395121)

if only they allowed concealed carry on campuses, we'd have a few less rock throwers in this country. . .

  . . .provided the fact he has a gun, and knows how to use it of course

Re:wonder how he could have protected himself? (4, Insightful)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395183)

if only they allowed concealed carry on campuses, we'd have a few less rock throwers in this country.

Yeah, they should lift the ban on concealing rocks.

. . .provided the fact he has a gun, and knows how to use it of course

Oh. Never mind.

Re:wonder how he could have protected himself? (2, Informative)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395561)

I was going for "Funny" there. Ahem.

Re:wonder how he could have protected himself? (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395189)

excellent, child of satan. Let's go through this debate all over again. ;-P

Re:wonder how he could have protected himself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395193)

And he'd probably been shot instead...

Not out of anger, like now, but out of fear that he's probably to open fire on themselves.

Not flamebait, not a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395663)

but a legitimate political opinion that has been CENSORED by this user community.

Fucking pathetic.

paranoid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395149)

At least he can now say that a foreign government has aligned against him and not be considered a tin foiled weirdo.

Re:paranoid? (1)

TinFoilMan (1371973) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395479)

Hey I resemble that remark!

--
My tin foil hat is now gold with a 0.1 micron filter playing illegally downloaded music while I'm being followed by men from the RIAA in dark suits who are listening to illegally downloaded music from my tin hat.

Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (4, Insightful)

necro2607 (771790) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395159)

Well, not that I mean to be insensitive, but when you're messing with that kind of stuff, you want to be as anonymous as humanly possible.

Like, purchasing hosting somewhere else in the world, with a one-time VISA/MasterCard cash card that you bought at a corner store with cash. You know? Uploading everything from your laptop while you're chilling at a coffee shop well distanced from your home.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but man, I would not be dealing with this kinda scenario where people are getting killed in the night and shit, unless I was doing it ultra un-traceable style. Because I would absolutely anticipate this kind of harsh backlash from the same crazy fuckers that are doing the same thing in Iran.

I actually considered setting up an anonymous web-form -> twitter gateway, but it was just not worth the hassle to set that kind of thing up with the kind of anonymity I would require to be OK with doing that. :P

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395303)

Apathy/laziness has always been highly correlated with cowardice.

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (3, Insightful)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395357)

Apathy/laziness has always been highly correlated with cowardice.

Coming from an AC that means almost nothing

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395393)

Well let's see how untraceable you are when Bruce Willis grabs some random hacker and has him find you using his phone, some cables, and some satellites.

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395607)

If you replace "phone, some cables, and some satellites" with "tin cans, twisted up chewing gum wrappers, and some wok lids", I'd be more worried about Richard Dean Anderson than Bruce Willis.

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395409)

Unfortunately, now that we all know you're going to do it, you can't do it without them knowing! It's all part of a conspiracy to put marmalade in our drinking water. Crap, I think I hear helicopters coming. Wait, who is this? I don't know you! Prank caller!

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (1)

BigSlowTarget (325940) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395429)

Fine. Tell me how to do it and I'll stick my neck out for you. I think its worth it. Again, how is it done?

Re:Do this stuff ANONYMOUSLY as possible (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395737)

Well, the best thing at all, is to always go trough wireless lan connections, that you use without a contract. (Coffee shop, and, well, the other kind.)
Never use one twice, but choose the next one with a true random function, except if you can prove that they can't find where you sit.

Trough that connection, set up all your stuff. A site, and other accounts. It should be obvious that you never enter any real information, or even the same information. (Especially true for passwords.)

If you want te be really paranoid, then don't trust *any* data that is coming to you over the net. Even if it's your mom supposedlly being in a situation of life and death. Or anything supposedly coming from anywhere.
The best thing would be, to block all incoming packets at all. But I doubt this will work without patching your kernel... which does not pose a problem, does it?

And to put a cherry on top of it, encrypt your whole hard disk, disable all external media, write some constantly changing random noise to your display and you ram, and constantly move all used blocks to somewhere else too. Do not use a keyboard, but a touch screen. Keyboards can be listened to. And use a keyfile on an usb stick that you can destroy in a second, always and everywhere. Encrypt that keyfile with a passphrase, that you have to enter on boot. Make it so, that pulling the stick instantly overwrites the used memory blocks and the screen image with noise.

Oh, and: Do not *ever* sleep, and always look in all directions at the same time.

It's nearly *too* easy!

P.S.: Do not forget your double-layered vacuum-"filled" tinfoil full-body space suit.

A terrorist attack (-1, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395165)

on US soil?
See Barack is the anti-christ~

and... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395379)

protesting is considered low-level terrorism now..

Now he knows that... (5, Interesting)

jayme0227 (1558821) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395173)

he's making a difference.

No, this stops (5, Insightful)

BigSlowTarget (325940) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395223)

No. This stops now.
I don't have any money, but I am glad to provide a proxy or whatever if anyone is so crazed that they will attack people across international lines just to silence their speech. I don't have family and I'm not afraid of whatever they think they can do. Such people are scum and not worth fearing.

I need help. I don't know the specific systems, steps and processes necessary to support these people. What do I do or where do I go to find out what to do?

Re:No, this stops (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395287)

Step 1: Vote Libertarian in 2010.

Re:No, this stops (4, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395443)

I don't have any money, but I am glad to provide a proxy or whatever if anyone is so crazed that they will attack people across international lines just to silence their speech. I don't have family and I'm not afraid of whatever they think they can do. Such people are scum and not worth fearing.

...

by BigSlowTarget (325940)

If this is your course of action, might I suggest changing your nick to "TinyElusiveTarget"?

Seriously, though, previous threads over the past couple days have had a lot of details on what to do and how to do it if you want to help. Alternatively, Fark.com has daily (or more frequent) threads on the Green Revolution, and there are always helpful posts in those threads.

Re:No, this stops (1)

BigSlowTarget (325940) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395489)

Thanks. I'll check them out - the handle's an old one, but might be even more appropriate shortly.

Re:No, this stops (5, Informative)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395463)

The single click and least trouble free solution to help right now seems as this one:

http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-relay.html.en [torproject.org]

If you don't know about it, Tor is a distributed proxy system which helps people in oppressive areas.

If you have questions about legitimacy of helping such a system, US DOD itself designed it and suggests their own personnel to use it when abroad.

If you think like a Iran nerd, Tor would be the only solution to implement really fast to gather and send information now. It could be life saving since those countries are really at limit of spying the internet right now.

They say just spare 20 KB (not MB) a second upspeed is enough. It is even lower than torrent traffic and shouldn't effect regular internet usage in any way even if you have multiple computers on NAT etc. (install to single in that case)

Re:No, this stops (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395575)

Read this [emsenn.com] . You can also install Tor [torproject.org] . I respect your wishes, but must warn you that getting involved against a foreign nation might not be the smartest idea.

I will demure and let you decide for yourself. Information is meant to be free.

skeptical (4, Interesting)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395237)

Anyone remember the nutjob who carved a backwards B into her face and blamed it on a black man?

I'm very skeptical of this without corroboration.

Re:skeptical (0, Offtopic)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395331)

I'm going to err on the safe side here. My blog will go back to its blue theme after this foray with pro-Mousavi green. :-/

Re:skeptical (1)

Dr. Impossible (1580675) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395361)

What is supposed to be so amazing about this?

I also remember a woman who said she was raped... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395457)

...and blamed it on a White man. Al Sharpton even got in on it, and never apologized for it after it was proved false. So then, what was your point?

Re:skeptical (2, Informative)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395511)

Anyone remember the Republican campaign worker who carved a backwards B into her face and blamed it on an Obama supporter?

Fixed that for you.

I find it heartening that the freepers are so quick to dismiss this story. Perhaps they will recognize that they are identifying with the enemies of democracy in Iran, and the cognitive dissonance will result in personal growth.

Re:skeptical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395533)

I'm confused, are you saying that you *doubt* that an American Mousavi supporter might fake an attack from Ahmadinejad supporters?

Re:skeptical (4, Interesting)

wordsnyc (956034) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395813)

I'm in Ohio. Ohio's a big place. How come nobody mentions a city? What "school"? What police dept. was notified? Why go public on the internet and not call the local media?

If true, this is very disturbing, but I too am skeptical.

And no, it's not impossible. The Shah's agents were here in OH in the 1970s. Seriously.

Don't believe this blogger (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395239)

Islam is a religion of peace. A truckload of swarthy 3rd world men is so Back To The Future.

Re:Don't believe this blogger (3, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395355)

Yes, Islam is a religion of peace, but that didn't stop some Muslims from flying planes into the WTC, nor does it stop them from strapping on bombs and blowing people up.

Christianity is a religion of peace, but that doesn't stop some from murdering abortion activists. Every group has its extremist nutjobs.

Re:Don't believe this blogger (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395715)

Every group has its extremist nutjobs.
When was the last time you heard of an extremist Agnostic fundamentalist? A man willing to give his life for the proposition that there may or may not be a god?

Re:Don't believe this blogger (0, Troll)

rthille (8526) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395769)

NO religion is a religion of peace... some belief systems engender more peaceful believers than others (jain), but religions are evolved to out compete and violently do away with beliefs which conflict with them.

Re:Don't believe this blogger (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395405)

a religion of peace

There is no such thing.

Re:Don't believe this blogger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395829)

^ this should be the only comment, the article summary, and the article itself

Another Note on this. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395259)

I have been on IRC (where everybody is organizing) constantly for the last 3 days or so watching the chatter on this.

Dear god. Guys, some of the people doing this have got their head fully up their ass. People are going to get banned from their ISP or worse. You've got a bunch of idiots that cannot grok how to launch a DOS window running wide open proxies on their home cable connections.

There are people running dedicated servers right now to ferry information out of the country, but some of these people are seriously going to get themselves into trouble.

If you do not have a working knowledge of routing, pf/iptables, and squid, please do not run a proxy. You are going to get yourself into more trouble than having rocks thrown at you.

Or worse, your misconfiguration is going to get people in Iran killed.

Re:Another Note on this. (2, Insightful)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395545)

What an interesting world, where misconfiguring a proxy in America gets someone in Iran killed.

Homland Security Indeed (4, Interesting)

ultraexactzz (546422) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395325)

Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that, apparently, a foreign government identified an American Citizen and had operatives attack that individual? On US Soil? I wonder if there will be hit squads next, or teams of operatives attempting to sabotage servers where proxies are being hosted...

This is exactly why free speech is so critical - so that I can, for example, post a comment on Slashdot without worrying about thugs attacking me for it. Flames and trolls are one thing, angry guys throwing rocks at my car? Quite another.

Re:Homland Security Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395373)

I doubt they were "operatives" otherwise he wouldn't simply have had rocks thrown at him, he'd be missing now instead.

Re:Homland Security Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395469)

You do realize that "American Citizen" no longer means much these days. They are just a statistic.

What counts are Multinational Corporations and goverment offices. They have full voting power, the "citizens" have 3/5 or less it seems. Grats, America, you're all nearly-disenfranchised (lol racism, we're all treated as poor minorities now).

Politicians don't have the time or incentive to protect you or me, individually. But when a big corporate skyscraper or government building gets attacked, it becomes priority.

Re:Homland Security Indeed (5, Insightful)

ender- (42944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395683)

Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that, apparently, a foreign government identified an American Citizen and had operatives attack that individual? On US Soil? I wonder if there will be hit squads next, or teams of operatives attempting to sabotage servers where proxies are being hosted... This is exactly why free speech is so critical - so that I can, for example, post a comment on Slashdot without worrying about thugs attacking me for it. Flames and trolls are one thing, angry guys throwing rocks at my car? Quite another.

Seriously? Do you really think that the Iranian Govt/Hezbollah tracked down a Twitter user just to have a couple goons throw rocks at him? I find that hard to believe. If they really felt threatened enough to track him down and send people out to him, he'd be dead. At worst, this was the act of a couple mentally challenged Iranian/Lebanese ex-patriots who have bought into the BS that the Supreme Leader and his cronies have been spouting and decided to try to go scare this guy. And I'd be more likely to believe that these guys don't really even care about what's going on but stumbled on his real identity and drunkenly though it'd be "cool to go throw rocks at him and make him thing he's in big danger".

Supreme Leader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395327)

The Supreme Leader says they are going to crack down on protestors because "the election wasn't rigged." Right, you crack down on protestors because you did not rig the election. That makes total sense...

Wow (3, Funny)

Dega704 (1454673) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395365)

The department of homeland security should be all over that soon if they aren't too busy confiscating laptops at the airports......

That guy better be careful (1)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395389)

He should google Daniel Pearl to know what he's getting into.

I too wish everyone respected each other in a peaceful fashion but clearly that's not the case.

What?!? (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395415)

Google and Facebook are supporting Persian before they release support for Klingon?!? WTF?!? Man, there is one set of geeks with really misplaced priorities!

Lock and Load. (4, Funny)

Ortega-Starfire (930563) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395453)

Time for this guy to get a conceal carry permit, a handgun, and most importantly, the training to know when to use the above. Online we defend ourselves with munitions known as anonymity and encryption. In real life we use body armor and small arms.

Pro-democracy (2, Interesting)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395481)

This isn't about democracy, although many people claim it is.

If Mousavi had won and violent protests had started in the face of electoral fraud, the press would be condemning the protesters as a violent minority clinging to a past order. Similarly, if the protest had started in the middle of Ahmadinejad's term, to oust him out, the press and most people living in the west would side with them. This is good, this is healthy. It'd be healthier if people acknowledged that is has nothing to do with democracy. If Mousavi will be less repressive than Ahmadinejad, then he should take his place, regardless of what the polls say.

why the tolerance for TERRORISM on US soil? (1, Troll)

alizard (107678) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395491)

We have foreigners representing a foreign government attacking a US citizen on US soil for political and religious reasons. That's terrorism by definition. The Administration Party Line is "lone nuts" and there's no attempt to investigate the organizations they are connected to.

We have a plague of right-wing extremists killing Americans for political and religious reasons. That's terrorism by definition. The Administration Party Line is "lone nuts" and there's no attempt to investigate the organizations they are connected to.

Where the hell is the FBI and DHS?

ON what planet is this supposed to be "Change We Can Believe In?"

Re:why the tolerance for TERRORISM on US soil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395635)

Where's the evidence that these attackers "represent" the Iranian government?

And how is one incident a "plague"?

Re:why the tolerance for TERRORISM on US soil? (0)

zebslash (1107957) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395647)

No that's not terrorism. That's a shameful, awful, assault made by cowards and they should go to jail for this. But in no way this is terrorism. Please stop calling terrorism any crime, because it fits your agenda, especially when we don't know the details of what happened and the perpretators.
With such kind of claims, at the end of the day, there will be only two crimes left: terrorism and pedohilia. Steal a CD in a shop ? Terrorist ! Copyright infrigement ? Jail for life, think of the children ! This is ridiculous.

Speak the truth (1)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395509)

pay the price

not a hero, unless you die

there are others, pick whichever sounds awesomer to you

wish i could be like him

Proxies and Tor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395513)

I just did an interview with an AP reporter about my involvement with feeding proxies, Tor bridges and relays to people who can get them to Iranians on the ground.

ProtesterHelp Here (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395645)

cba to make account, but it's me, can e-mail on ph.on.twitter@gmail.com if you want to confirm

Just wanting to say:

1) I agree that this was not agency work, but nationalists.
2) I had no clue how serious this was when I started, and by the time I took measures of security, it was too late
3) I tried to have my personal info pulled from twitter, but they gave me form letter about deleting my account. Boo @twitter.
4) Want to say thank you to all of the private sector security people who offered to advise/help
5) go to http://iran.whyweprotest.net to see how you can help
6) There are other reports of odd things happening to other prominent Americans. Cars trailing, seen parked outside their homes. I can't confirm these, but just saying, if you are involved in any major way (beyond proxies/tor setup), please be careful.

surprised they're having this much trouble locking (3, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28395713)

Given that Iran is operating under an authoritarian government, I would have thought that just shutting everything down would be quite possible. Cut all internet connections from the country save for a few government agencies, done. I can understand the difficulties in providing selective access across the board but I would have thought it would be simple enough for them to pull the plug. The only reason why they aren't must be because they are more reliant on the internet across their entire economy than I previously suspected -- they can't afford to pull the plug.

That even an authoritarian government run by unpleasant people have trouble with this is encouraging; I would hope censorship in western democracies would be even less successful.

I've always wondered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395725)

That whole Middle East/Persian persuasion is fond of throwing rocks.

When they drive up to someone and start throwing rocks, did they go collect rocks before hand?

Bunch of dudes picking around a nearby riverbed for rocks muttering to themselves that they are so going to stone that infidel?

Then go driving around with a carload full of angry men with buckets of rocks?

Seems like a lot of planning.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28395729)

Unless your adulterous sister is inside.

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