×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Hospital Confirms Steve Jobs's Liver Transplant

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the so-just-say-so-already dept.

Businesses 402

CNet is reporting that the hospital where Apple's CEO reportedly got a liver transplant two months ago has now confirmed the truth of these reports. "Steve Jobs underwent his liver transplant about two months ago at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis, the hospital confirmed Tuesday. Jobs, who returned to work Apple's campus in Cupertino, Calif., on Monday after a six-month medical leave, 'is now recovering well and has an excellent prognosis,' according to a statement by Dr. James D. Eason, the program director of the Methodist University Hospital Transplant Institute. ... While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs's approval, he cited patient confidentially in saying that he could not reveal any further information on the specifics of Jobs's surgery."

cancel ×
This is a preview of your comment

No Comment Title Entered

Anonymous Coward 1 minute ago

No Comment Entered

402 comments

Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (-1, Troll)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448677)

"is now recovering well and has an excellent prognosis," according to a statement by Dr. James D. Eason, the program director of the Methodist University Hospital Transplant Institute. Jobs "received a liver transplant because he was the patient with the highest MELD score (model for end-stage liver disease) of his blood type and, therefore, the sickest patient on the waiting list at the time a donor organ became available.

"The waiting list for liver transplants was smaller than in other states, such as California," Eason said.

While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs' approval, he cited patient confidentiality in saying that he could not reveal any further information on the specifics of Jobs' surgery.

Hahahahahah! Ahahah, oh, I'm sorry. That is freaking hilarious. Doctor Eason, you better hope that Public Figure [wikipedia.org] trumps HIPAA [hhs.gov] . Because from this document [nhanet.org] :

Celebrity and public figures are not subject to different standards than other patients when it comes to hospital policies for releasing information to the media.

I don't know if there's been precedence in the courts but good luck sir!

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (4, Informative)

mlyle (148697) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448727)

Are you dense?

From your own quote:

While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs' approval ...

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (3, Interesting)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448885)

Still absolutely amazed at this. Given Apple said it was a hormone imbalance... Isn't deliberately misleading investors the sort of thing the SEC takes a dim view of? Don't know my US stock market laws and all that but I can't imagine the guy who IS, to many people, Apple, being in a life threatening condition and the shareholders not being told being seen as a good thing. Yes it protected the share price, but didn't they lie?

Whatever, glad Jobs is okay. One of the few people in the tech industry I admire.

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (2, Insightful)

profplump (309017) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449175)

You're assuming Steve told Apple and gave them permission to tell others. Regardless of SEC rules, he's under no obligation to expose his HIPAA-protected data, nor are Apple, it shareholders, or the SEC is in a position to ask. Moreover, even if someone at Apple knew of his actual condition they can't legally reveal it to others without his consent.

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (2)

n3v (412497) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449233)

Pretty sure liver problems make hormone imbalances

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (4, Insightful)

mlyle (148697) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449331)

That's not exactly how it went down.

On January 5th, Jobs said that he had a hormone imbalance. On January 14th, he said that he had "learned [his] health issues are more complex than [he] originally thought".

A Whipple procedure really screws up your digestive system and almost everyone afterwards has bouts of weight loss, etc. It's altogether possible that his doctors thought that was going on until metastases were discovered between Jan 5th and Jan 14th.

It's a complicated matter, you know-- how much are stockholders entitled to know versus an executive's right to privacy in his medical information.

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (1)

kmac06 (608921) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448729)

While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs' approval, he cited patient confidentiality in saying that he could not reveal any further information on the specifics of Jobs' surgery.

Read your own quote, dumbass.

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (4, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448779)

That would be 'dumbass, Sir!' to you... And thank Bhudda for /., where people can have a good old fashioned virtual pissing contest without mods getting in the way :)

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (2, Informative)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448883)

without mods? This is article about the messiah of the Apple cult. Wait till they release their mod army.

3...2...1...

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448853)

Replying to wipe bad mod. I'm with the mob - Read your own quote.

Can't spare the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448881)

If he reads his own post, how will he be quick enough to get first post?

It's an iParadox

Re:Can't spare the time (3, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449049)

Which is worse:
* The First Poster who blows his own post away by failing to quote out of context to confuse readers into thinking he had a point
or
* The guy with mod points that mods said poster up and then posts as AC to clear said mod?

Signed,
The Second Dumbass

Re:Can't spare the time (1)

Jerry Smith (806480) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449161)

Which is worse:
* The First Poster who blows his own post away by failing to quote out of context to confuse readers into thinking he had a point
or
* The guy with mod points that mods said poster up and then posts as AC to clear said mod?

Signed,
The Second Dumbass

The 'Post Anonymously' checkbox did not always consider you completely apart from your login session. So it happened to me once that I replied AC in a discussion and noticed 5 modpoints spill into oblivion. Of course nothing was officially confirmed.

I remember the days working for Apple; it was fun! :)

Re:Public Figure Vs HIPAA, HIPAA Wins! (0, Troll)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449025)

Replying to wipe bad mod. I'm with the mob - Read your own quote.

Excellent, then my drunk dumbass post might serve some purpose. Hopefully my post ends up -1 and the system remembers your equally stupid +1 mod and metamoderation will see to it that you will never get mod points again. It's clear you don't deserve them if you can't read a post before you moderate it.

I've no clue if that's how it works, I've never gotten mod points on this site but metamoderate all the time.

BTW, it's possible someone from that staff leaked that information to the WSJ (since their source was undisclosed) prior to Job's permission.

I did not think that (5, Funny)

bugs2squash (1132591) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448681)

third party upgrades were approved

Re:I did not think that (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449039)

> Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.

And if that fails, there's always sex with an unfamiliar woman...

I feel dirty (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448699)

This is the second story in a few hours we've had talking about some guy's liver transplant. It makes me feel like a voyeur. Can we get back to something wholesome and uplifting, like bashing the RIAA?

I feel anger. (5, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448939)

Steve Jobs is another example of how wealth buys health and an easy life.

The USA has several organ-transplant centers. In theory, patients can enter their name into the waiting list of any or all centers.

Practically speaking, most patients enter their name into the waiting list of the single most accessible center. The patients then arrange to live near the center as their name approaches the top of the list. Physicians cannot just freeze a liver for a week until you can arrange a plane ticket to reach the center. Livers are perishable items.

Due to the aforementioned cost and logistical issues, patients are effectively restricted to only 1 center. However, Steve Jobs -- with his billions of dollars -- can enter his name into all the waiting lists of all the centers. He can hire a private jet service to take him to any center immediately.

Life just is not fair.

Re:I feel anger. (5, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449001)

Yes, life is not fair, but honestly this is not a case of someone being rich and privileged because he was born into the right family. Steve Jobs as much as anyone has earned his money. He's worked hard and he's added a lot to society. If we tried to cut him down so things were more fair, then it would be a loss to all of us.

Things will never be completely fair, but the way to make them more fair is to help everyone become more rich and powerful. The only way that can happen is if everyone is more productive: imagine if everyone accomplished in their life things similar to what Steve Jobs has done. When he got fired from, he started another company that made something cool. That's not easy, but he did it.

We don't all have to start our own companies, but if we were all just as productive in our respective fields, we probably would already have synthetic liver replacements. We might have green coal plants. We might have more efficient ways to grow food, allowing the existing farmers to focus their attention on more interesting things (oh, well we already have that one to quite an extent).

This is the way of the future, and it's where the left gets off track: instead of trying to destroy stupid bankers who get rich off naive customers, without producing anything real, the key is to educate those 'stupid' customers to create real things, and to contribute to society in real ways; then the bankers will go off and f*** themselves because everyone will see them for what they are, leeches on society.

Re:I feel anger. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449235)

Added a lot to society? What the fuck important has he done? All he's done is create gadgets, that's hardly adding to society.

Most people cannot handle it (4, Insightful)

hessian (467078) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449243)

Things will never be completely fair, but the way to make them more fair is to help everyone become more rich and powerful.

To paraphrase Bill Cosby (on "mind-expanding" drugs): But what if you're an asshole?

The same applies here:

Most people are the ones I see littering, driving like idiots, buying stupid junk, getting drunk and vomiting in my sunroof, etc.

Do I want them to be any more powerful than they are? Hell, no!

Re:I feel anger. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449095)

Um, 80% or more of people could afford this if they wanted to. A charter flight doesn't cost much when you're talking about your life, or when you're talking about transplant costs for that matter. The average car loan is something like $26,000. A last-minute charter across the country would only cost about that much. This link:

http://www.avchart.com/users/quotes/passenger-request.asp?chtype=One+Way&passengers=1&leg1from=KSEA&l1frcity=Seattle%2FTacoma+Intl%2C+WA&leg1to=KMEM&l1tocity=Memphis%2FIntl%2C+TN&leg2from=&deparr1=Depart&hour1=4%3A00+AM&date1=06%2F24%2F2009

Says I could get a flight leaving at 4am tomorrow morning from Seattle to Memphis with a 3:40 flight duration for about $15k. How can it be that all of these poor, defenseless, need-our-help Americans can rack up tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt but can't get themselves to a kidney center? It doesn't add up. And I'm pretty sure that most of them have families, and churches and communities that would help defray the costs. In fact I doubt that you'd even need a chartered flight. You can probably bump people on commercial flights for this, and if you couldn't you could just fly standby and wave $1,000 in the face of any passenger willing to give up their seat. That would probably end up in a quicker arrival than any charter option short of a private airfield with a stand-by pilot. When price is not much of an object, commercial air transportation is pretty dang fast.

Sources I found online say that a liver must be transplanted within 8 to 20 hours of removal. I don't see how transportation within the continental US is a problem.

There's no reason to be angry. (5, Insightful)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449101)

Some people have more money and more power and better opportunities than others, but that doesn't make it automatically unfair. Would you cry "foul" if a sitting President took the same actions as Jobs? It's not like he cheated the system (as a President probably would). Would you be angry with a friend for buying a new TV or laptop that you wanted but couldn't afford?

Practically speaking, most patients enter their name into the waiting list of the single most accessible center. The patients then arrange to live near the center as their name approaches the top of the list.

Given that all centers were equally accessible to him, he did exactly what every patient does. He is smart enough to know that a queue of 295 is significantly lower than a queue of 1615, and all other things being equal the rational choice is to go for the shortest line. If you were in Jobs's place, what would you have done differently?

What is the point of having wealth if you don't use it to your advantage? Of course it can be misused, but you're going to have to work a lot harder to argue that that is the case here.

Re:There's no reason to be angry. (1)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449213)

Let's not forget: any number of Apple fans would probably readily line up to give their liver to Steve! Fame can be more useful than wealth.

Re:I feel anger. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449141)

You're absolutely right, Life is not fair. If you REALLY want to succeed in Life, you have to be a little (actually, a lot!) ruthless and seek power, because if you don't, you'll get knocked down by some who will. If you think Steve is taking the system for a ride, check out your local, state, and federal statesmen. The benefits they receive are paid by your tax dollars, and they aren't getting lower tier health coverage, they're getting top-notch. Even pharmaceutical employees get incredible healthcare coverage - every Pfizer employee receives FREE medication, regardless of which company makes it, and you're paying for that too in your insurance premiums. If you're important enough, or what you do is important enough, rules can be bent and money can buy you more time, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that may be.

From Steve's perspective, he probably thinks he got a bad deal. Who wants pancreatic cancer, a known death sentence, and then have it metastasize to your liver years later? He worked his ass off to get to where he's at, he should have the best damn healthcare in the world.

While I'm on the subject, why aren't you over in Africa volunteering for the Peace Corps saving all the starving and HIV infected people, suffering horrible despair? Because you really don't want to, and for them, Life is not fair. I'm not trying to make light of unfortunate peoples' lives or situations, but each of us lives our lives as WE see fit and plot, sometimes unknowingly, our path in Life. You live your life how you want to, not necessarily how you need to, and you do it according to your abilities. Some people are smarter than you, stronger than you, healthier than you, and more sick than you. Life is not fair. It is what it is, and in the end, we all will be pushing up daisies. The only way to get out of life is to die.

And for all the really smart nerds out there without a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse, you can be rest assured pretty much that the other idiots around you will have plenty of children to inherit the national debt. The seed stops here!

Re:I feel dirty (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448959)

Now you know why magazines such as OK!, US Weekly, etc. are so annoyingly popular among the masses. Most people are voyeurs; they just don't want to admit it.

Re:I feel dirty (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449037)

I heard Jobs was an alcoholic, and that they don't allow alcoholics to have liver transplants. What's the deal?

That's just what I heard.

Re:I feel dirty (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449297)

If he is an Alcoholic that in no way would stand in his way, unless he was an Alcoholic who continues to drink Alcohol. They don't deny liver transplants to Alcoholics who haven't had a drink in 30 years, for example. If you think all Alcoholics drink on a regular/daily basis then you probably haven't heard of AA, or you know absolutely nothing about Alcoholism. Of course you shouldn't feel too bad, since there is no such thing as Alcoholism, just as there are no Cocaine-aholics or pot-aholics. An Alcoholic is merely an addict who hasn't yet figured out that they are an addict (and that their drug of choice is Alcohol.)

Re:I feel dirty (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449057)

> Can we get back to something wholesome and uplifting, like bashing the RIAA?

Well, there is that story about the RIAA attempting to take back a transplanted liver based on prior ARTerial scrofulousus anemia. You can flame on all you want with that one...

Re:I feel dirty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449129)

Don't worry, little Slashbot. Your mind-programming will commence as usual with the preapproved quota of daily pro-piracy articles. Good day.

This is actually a new Apple product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448701)

The iLiver. It's like your liver... but made by Apple! Easy to use, very fashionable, a little expensive, but totally worth it once your friends find out.

Re:This is actually a new Apple product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448761)

It was really a stroke of luck for the transplant team to find a donor liver made from polycarbonate and brushed aluminum. I think Jobs is going to quickly tire of his one-duct liver, however, and get annoyed with having to hold Control every time he wants to use his common bile duct.

Re:This is actually a new Apple product (5, Funny)

spankyofoz (445751) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448871)

And when he takes his shirt off you can see the backlit apple logo they installed, which also mysteriously doubled the cost of the operation.

do we care? (0)

SinShiva (1429617) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448707)

srsly?

given he conned the transplant system, YES. (0, Troll)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448869)

The asshole "moved" to Tennessee to jump into a different organ transplant queue: 295 vs 1,615 people, and a wait of 48 days vs 306. Not only that, but there are no rules against entering multiple programs- so basically, you could enter every transplant program that would take you (and that you could afford), and virtually guarantee yourself an organ.

MSNBC did a nice job of putting all the facts together [msn.com] . In short: he had a complicating illness that normally would have ruled him out, he had the money to guarantee admittance into transplant program (whereas normal mere mortals are often denied coverage by their insurance companies, and cannot afford the 200K cost).

Oh yeah, and Apple lied to investors and the world: the man had cancer and a failing organ, and they claimed it was a "hormone imbalance." I hope the SEC is already working on this...

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

MaXintosh (159753) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448919)

Technically, he did have an hormone imbalance. They (very carefully) didn't lie about that. But that's like saying the a burning building has stuffy air problems. Or saying a sinking ship is moving sluggishly.

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (0, Offtopic)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449337)

"Or saying a sinking ship is moving sluggishly."

Now that you mention it, Slashdot has been rather sluggish lately ... (a special shout out to all the people who think that it is appropriate to mod any post with which they strongly disagree as trolling and flamebaiting)

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448935)

Oh heaven forbid that someone actually uses the money they created to get better faster. Heaven forbid that some people are going to be able to afford things that others cannot. Its the same thing with health care. Because there is not an infinite supply of livers, along with an infinite supply of doctors, its true that some people might not be able to afford a liver transplant. Sure, its sad, but such is life.

Oh yeah, and Apple lied to investors and the world: the man had cancer and a failing organ, and they claimed it was a "hormone imbalance." I hope the SEC is already working on this...

A few things A) You are not entitled to know everything about Steve Jobs B) The shareholders really only need to know that someone will take the place if Jobs dies C) Steve Jobs, or any other CEO could die of any random cause at any time and D) Perhaps thats all that was confirmed at the time? And I'd say that you would probably have a hormone imbalance if you had a failing organ.

Why Slashdot Has Turned To Shit Right There (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448999)

Karma trolls spewing the same tired old crap story after story after story.

No wonder the traffic for this site continues to go down.

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449063)

Its the same thing with health care. Because there is not an infinite supply of livers, along with an infinite supply of doctors,

As far as I know, selling organs to the highest bidder is still illegal in most countries.

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449089)

Oh heaven forbid that someone actually uses the money they created to get better faster.

At the expense of some poor guy dying! tbh I think any failings would be the systems not, jobs's, as an individual doing what you can to stay alive is reasonable and hes clearly not broken any rules.

A few things A) You are not entitled to know everything about Steve Jobs B) The shareholders really only need to know that someone will take the place if Jobs dies C) Steve Jobs, or any other CEO could die of any random cause at any time and D) Perhaps thats all that was confirmed at the time?

Deliberately misleading investors is a crime. If apple had said nothing, that would be fine, if they had disclosed everything that would also be fine, but what they may have done was deliberately mislead shareholders, that (if true) is defiantly a crime,

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (4, Insightful)

tick-tock-atona (1145909) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449257)

Modded insightful WTF?!

Oh heaven forbid that someone actually uses the money they created to get better faster. Heaven forbid that some people are going to be able to afford things that others cannot. Its the same thing with health care. Because there is not an infinite supply of livers, along with an infinite supply of doctors, its true that some people might not be able to afford a liver transplant. Sure, its sad, but such is life.

Assuming the linked article in GP is true:

Why should someone be given preference on the basis of how much money / power they have? Such an idea is right at home in a country like China, but surely it flies in the face of the idea that "all men are created equal [wikipedia.org] ".

I know that in Australia / New Zealand we have a strict national transplant system which means that you can only be on the transplant list for your home state. The system is specifically designed so that "Ethnicity, gender, financial, social, celebrity or political status does not affect the allocation of organs... (and) Organs are given to the person with the greatest medical need who has the best chance of successful transplantation." [transplant.org.au]

The fact is, by using the money you created to buy better drugs or treatment, you are not directly affecting anyone else. With a unique item like an organ, you are depriving someone of a chance at life.

It's a bit like the difference between 'pirating' a movie and 'pirating' a ship off the coast of somalia, in one case no-one is (directly) worse off and in the other, one party forcefully deprives the other of an item.

Anyway, I know where I'd rather get sick. :P

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448977)

Don't worry! Soon, Obamacare will guarantee that everyone is equally denied treatment. Bend over, it's time for your prostate exam!!!!

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

ktappe (747125) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449043)

The asshole "moved" to Tennessee to jump into a different organ transplant queue: 295 vs 1,615 people, and a wait of 48 days vs 306.

OK, I agree with your moral point that money should not buy organ transplants. I'm just as bothered about the whole system on that front and strongly support easing our organ shortage via the entire U.S. switching from an opt-in organ donation program to an opt-out one as they have in Europe.

That said, calling someone an "asshole" for doing what it took to save his own life seems too harsh in the opposite direction. Can you honestly say that if your life were on the line that you would not take whatever steps were within your financial means to stay alive? Really?

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449093)

He's an asshole. There are more people who need livers than livers available so somebody died who would have otherwise gotten this one. That said, if being an asshole means you live longer than someone who isn't, maybe being called an asshole isn't really such an insult.

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449055)

Why should the SEC be interested? The stockholders are only entitled to know if, say, it is determined that he is going to die or be disabled. If he's getting treatment and it works, nothing has happened that they need to know about. If insider trading is the issue, there's only a problem if insiders use secret information, say by selling short, and then the secret gets out. But there's no evidence that any of the insiders at Apple did anything like that, is there?

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

Reikk (534266) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449073)

Steve Jobs did everything he could to ensure he survived, including leveraging his wealth to ensure he received the best health care. I'm sure that nearly everyone in his situation would have done the same.

Someone in Tennessee missed out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449189)

So who is the person in Tennessee that didn't get a liver because Mr. Jobs conveniently "moved" there just to get one?

If we say longer term residency requirements on organ transplant lists then maybe some good could come of this. But I agree with the point you are making. I could also forgive him if he donated gobs of money to Tennessee health care, and someone else that couldn't afford a liver got one because he went there and donated money.

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

nhytefall (1415959) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449289)

Come on already... Steve Jobs != Apple, regardless of what some poorly informed investors may have believed.

Re:given he conned the transplant system, YES. (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449309)

"The asshole "moved" to Tennessee to jump into a different organ transplant queue:"

Here here! I'm with you. People who do what is in their power to keep from dying suck!

Re:do we care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448897)

You must be new here...

Re:do we care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448943)

tagged appropriately "whothefuckcares". This is worse than queuing up for hours for a freaking phone.

So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (2, Informative)

caladine (1290184) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448711)

I wonder how much trouble Apple may get into for calling Jobs' problem a "hormone imbalance" to their investors.

A hormonal imbalance is one thing, and a liver transplant is a completely different animal.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

evil_aar0n (1001515) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448763)

Do we know that there's absolutely no truth to the claim? How do we know there wasn't some connection?

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (5, Informative)

reverseengineer (580922) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448865)

Well, if Jobs was experiencing liver failure, it probably was accompanied by hormone imbalances- the liver is responsible for breaking down a wide variety of hormones, most notably the steroid hormones. So the idea that he was suffering from a "hormone imbalance" is probably true, but omitting the proximate cause of that hormone imbalance, if it happened to be liver failure, is being less than completely honest to the public and to Apple's investors.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

MaXintosh (159753) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448975)

Exactly what the parent said. Saying he has a hormone imbalance is technically true, but it's akin to saying a car that's been in a horrible wreck has dirty oil. I don't think even if they /did/ lie about it... I don't think it's technically criminal mis-information. But IANAL?

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449181)

Agreed.

Many are calling it lying, but that is not what it is. It is certainly intentionally misleading and deceptive, and can probably be called disinformation or even a lie by omission (the qualifier is required). Whether or not it was an ethical thing to do is very much up in the air. If it were me I would have either said nothing or told the whole truth. I don't think shareholders or investors have a right to know about such events unless it's in a contract somewhere, but I would be uncomfortable playing such games. Maybe that's why I'm not a CEO.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449249)

Just wait until the next time he really does have the flu.
Nobody is going to believe him and, based on the previous situation, will assume he has fatal cancer.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (3, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448817)

...And theres no way that if you have something wrong with your liver you won't have a hormone imbalance? Plus really, considering that Apple has plans to appoint a new CEO if Jobs dies, they have done all they need to for their shareholders. Just because you are a CEO of a publicly traded company doesn't mean that your shareholders have to know every detail of your life.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

mc moss (1163007) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448819)

From what I understand, his hormone imbalance was most likely related to the bout of pancreatic cancer he had before. It is possible for it to spread to the liver requiring a transplant.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

jasontheking (124650) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448941)

If a hormone imbalance is a minor symptom of a more serious condition, then could saying that someone needed treatment for a "hormone imbalance" be construed as lying? (when in fact they're getting treatment for the more serious condition)

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448917)

Little to none, I'd imagine.

Apple could always make the argument that prematurely alarming the investors wouldn't be in the best interest of the company.

This will easily fly, especially given that Apple is one of those companies that are frequently shorted on rumors (remember the short clip of Cramer talking about how easy it is to short Apple?).

So, no. Either way, Apple will have a good case.

Re:So, about that "hormone imbalance"... (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448967)

Maybe they'll try to redefine cancer cells as hormones.

  • Well, we said it was a hormone imbalance. Mr. Job's liver cancer hormones were off the charts, but he's all better now.

LK

In Memphis... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448715)

The same place Elvis Presley and Martin Luther King died.

A coincidence?

Or a conspiracy....

Beware the Reverse Vampires!

Steve Jobs 3.0 (2, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448723)

Yes, but the Steve Jobs update adds new features such as cut and paste, MMS, Spotlight search and an improved calendar!

What the doctor didn't confirm... (4, Funny)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448757)

was that Jobs underwent a brain enhancement procedure which enables him to sufficiently focus his mental RDF energy for use as a telepathic weapon.

Apple will house the new weapon, tentatively codenamed iDontThinkSo in an underground bunker beneath their Cupertino campus.

Because of Mr Jobs' prolific temper, executives were initially concerned about the potential for misuse the weapon presented and the possibility of its use against enemies who were not truly dire. For this reason, a killswitch was installed to be controlled remotely via Phil Schiller's iPhone.

Analysts predict the new weapon will bolster the company's share price by at least 20% and should by them enough time to complete the fully cybernetic Jobs 2.0.

well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448771)

So much for HIPA

Parts (5, Funny)

Scutter (18425) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448781)

Maybe now he'll understand why it's so important to be able to install third-party parts and he'll decide to loosen-up the licensing a little bit.

A good bet (4, Funny)

plague911 (1292006) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448791)

$10 says his old liver ends up on ebay.

Re:A good bet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449277)

It's being sold by the pound. All 750 pounds.

It is the largest organ in the body....what do you mean Steve Jobs isn't that big? He's a GIANT in the industry and in real life.

How long was the wait? (1, Interesting)

DarkNinja75 (990459) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448793)

My non-existent medical knowledge tells me there's a long wait for organ transplants. I wonder if Steve received accelerated care thanks to his status.

Re:How long was the wait? (2, Funny)

nausea_malvarma (1544887) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448837)

He didn't need to go on the organ transplant waiting list. There are thousands of apple fanboys who'd gladly give their livers to the almighty jobs in a heartbeat.

Re:How long was the wait? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448851)

Or... You know thanks to the fact that he can pretty much go anywhere for treatment. When you have access to a jet, and lots of cash means that just because your local hospital may take a year to get a liver that matches, Steve could effectively "shop around" for the shortest time.

Re:How long was the wait? (1)

EmmDashNine (1082413) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448905)

My non-existent medical knowledge tells me there's a long wait for organ transplants. I wonder if Steve received accelerated care thanks to his status.

It definitely didn't hurt I'm sure he worked the system to fullest- doing things such as getting on every transplant waiting list he could.

shopping for short wait times (4, Interesting)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448805)

I'd tend to agree that this is useless voyeurism, except that there are some ethical issues that come up in transplants when the patient is very rich. The NY Times had an article [nytimes.com] about this today, and they specifically mentioned this hospital as one that had a very short average wait time of 3.8 months, compared to the national average of 12.3 months. "If you had access to a jet and had six hours to get anywhere in the country, you'd have a wide choice of programs," they quote one doctor as saying.

Re:shopping for short wait times (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448963)

But with any non-infinite commodity, not everyone can get them, not everyone can afford them, and some people do have advantages. How exactly do you get someone who is dirt-poor who needs a new liver that lives in NYC across the country to a hospital in Seattle that has livers? They can't afford a plane, they can't afford to drive it, so they really can't get there. Such is the way with non-infinite commodities. We can't really "grow" livers quite yet, and they aren't like kidneys that someone can just donate one with little to no ill effects, nor do we have artificial livers that can be made in factories.

Re:shopping for short wait times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449079)

Ethics schmethics. This is Darwinism at its finest. Steve Jobs has the right genetics in the right environment to earn a butt-load of money, which he then uses to save his own life. Now, If he wants, he can reproduce, protect his existing offspring, and generally propagate his genetic code.

Re:shopping for short wait times (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449097)

This is Darwinism at its finest. Steve Jobs has the right genetics in the right environment to earn a butt-load of money,

      Never have I heard a better argument for monarchy. In fact, Steve Jobs should breed exclusively with his own offspring to ensure that his money-gaining genes are passed on in the pure form.

      Or perhaps there's more to earning a pile of cash than just genetics. My grandfather earned millions and millions of dollars. Neither my dad nor I have been able to reproduce this for some reason. Still, we've lived very well all our lives.

Commence all the i-jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448827)

Yes, we're all very impressed with your iLivers, iTransplant, iBloodType jokes. Frankly, iDontCare.

OT: How to get Slashdot to stop spewing bars (2, Informative)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448857)

If I view the story here [slashdot.org] it's fine, but when viewing it at the 'friendly' url [slashdot.org] it spews crap [fsdn.com] all over the place. Namely those last three bars and that row of bubbles.

Come on Slashdot, if you at least fix this, I'll stop complaining about idle.

Re:OT: How to get Slashdot to stop spewing bars (4, Informative)

sl0ppy (454532) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448915)

go to help & preferences, click on classic index - general, and check use classic index.

that got rid of it for me.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 3 years ago | (#28448925)

Glad to see I'm not the only one getting hit with this bug. I'd give you mod points, but I used my last one earlier in the thread.

Re:OT: How to get Slashdot to stop spewing bars (1)

KTheorem (999253) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449245)

What browser are you using? Looks great in Konqueror. In fact it's my favorite layout to date (also the least buggy other than the crappy "open a new page to see nested comments" style).

Or.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28448933)

Liver transplant?

Think Different. (R)

Hormone Imbalance.

Other CEO press releases (1, Insightful)

justcauseisjustthat (1150803) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449027)

Please point me to all the other press releases where CEO announce they have health issues! The crowd say, "But Steve Jobs is more important to Apple, than other CEOs are to their companies". I say, then why are other companies paying them 10s of millions (and sometimes multiples of that) of dollars in salary then!!

DHS Lies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449119)

With the demise of "Clear", the TSA has won a major battle against its arch enemy -- the citizens of the United States of America.

Now, TSA can calim and receive ownership of all of Clear's users accounts and all data there in.

The bank accounts will be drained quickly -- per communica from DHS SecHef Herself. Oh -- no doubt that the Cabinet Level Office lays claim to all users accounts information -- how else to "pay down" the bill accumulating for prostitutes, cocaine, and weapons of mass destruction.

What a jolly day this ts for TSA ... their pockets are full.

Sorry that I had to use this channel to get this out ... thanks "not" slashdot .. you sold your worth to the wrong client.

Blue Liver of Death! (1)

silentil (1491459) | more than 3 years ago | (#28449261)

Hah! If Job's body wasn't a multitasking environment he obviously wouldn't have had this system crash :P :rolls eyes:

How is appel fourmed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#28449293)

I make liber in sugary, and need openatin. How can make appel to fourm me liber?

Load More Comments
Slashdot Account

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Don't worry, we never post anything without your permission.

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
Sign up for Slashdot Newsletters
Create a Slashdot Account

Loading...