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China Starts/Stops Blocking Google

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the because-they-can dept.

Censorship 142

shekared was one of a number of readers to write in to tell a similar story. He says "I'm an American currently living and working in Chongqing, China. As of 9am (UTC +8) China began blocking google.com, gmail.com, google analytics and many if not most other google sites other than google.cn. Internet speed for connections outside the mainland have in general have come to a crawl. Surprisingly this has yet to pick up major coverage in the press. Using an open proxy or VPN for connection to hosts outside of the mainland continues to allow access to google, as does connecting directly to a google.com IP address. As of 6pm (UTC +8) access to gmail and google.com have returned to normal."

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In Soviet China... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465047)

pron eats you!

Re:In Soviet China... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465989)

Slashcode writers: fix this fucking problem already:

by Anonymous Cowardon Thursday June 25, @05:40AM

Please come to the local station (4, Funny)

ls671 (1122017) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465051)

Dear Sir,

We know who you are, we were just conducting tests and installing tools to enhance your dedicated internet connection.

Now that you have made this public, could you come to the local authorities station right away so we can settle things up ?

If you do not come, we will have to go get you at your work place and we would like to avoid this embarrassment for yourself. We also have enabled airport and border checks for yourself so you won't be allowed to leave the country before we meet.

Regards,
Liu Cheng
Security officer,
Republic of China

Re:Please come to the local station (4, Informative)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465069)

Republic of China is Taiwan, not mainland China.

Re:Please come to the local station (-1, Offtopic)

Scutter (18425) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465105)

Republic of China is Taiwan, not mainland China.

Good one. You sure showed him how smart you are.

Re:Please come to the local station (3, Informative)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465261)

They are both Republic of China, one is the Peoples Republic of China, the other is the Democratic Republic of China. They both call themselves "The Republic of China" internally. The Democratic Republic is normally the one to have the descriptor dropped in the west however.

Re:Please come to the local station (3, Informative)

Bitch-Face Jones (588723) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465739)

What the hell are you talking about? There is no "Democratic Republic of China". It's just the "Republic of China". And mainland China *does* refer to itself as the People's Republic of China internally.

Re:Please come to the local station (4, Informative)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465853)

You're correct.

A Chinese passport says "People's republic of China" (PRC), and a Taiwanese passport says "Republic of China" (ROC)
Supermarkets in China will often have imported goods under the label "Chinese Taiwan"

Let's leave the details for diplomats, our government overlords, and deranged Chinese nationalists to squabble over.

Re:Please come to the local station (2, Insightful)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466679)

...deranged Chinese nationalists...

History has shown that a list of nationalists that aren't deranged would be very short indeed. Nationalism and religion share a very high derangement factor. And that's what makes them both very effective tools in motivating masses of people to do the authoritarian's dirty work for them, with great enthusiasm. It doesn't matter what country they live in. The disease is global.

Re:Please come to the local station (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28466525)

Canazza was probably incorrectly thinking of North Korea/South Korea instead of China/Taiwan -- NK=DPRK vs. SK=ROK.

Fucking idiot, though -- how the hell can you get that wrong with google available to him? Maybe he was posting from China (PROC) or NK (DPRK) and google was blocked?

Re:Please come to the local station (2, Informative)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465793)

They both call themselves "The Republic of China" internally.

Internally, the PRC's official name is pronounced: "Zhonghua renmin gongheguo" (sadly /. doesn't seem to work with Chinese characters). That "renmin" bit means "the people", whereas thee other two words mean "China" and "Republic" respectively. In English, they usually just call themselves "China" these days, even in official documents like a Chinese visa, but when they use the full name, they always put the "People's" bit in.

Re:Please come to the local station (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28467565)

how did this get modded up to +5 informative when its WRONG??

Re:Please come to the local station (2, Funny)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465263)

Did you read his SIG...!!!! Probably he lied :-D

Re:Please come to the local station (1)

ground.zero.612 (1563557) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465479)

Republic of China is Taipei, not mainland China.

There, fixed that for you.

Slashdot (5, Funny)

fenring (1582541) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465135)

I'm posting from China. At least slashdot still wo

Re:Slashdot (2, Funny)

Keeper Of Keys (928206) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465367)

Can you still access www.castleargh.com?

Re:Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28467771)

I've had mod points all week long and just after I spend the last one I read this clever post. :-(

What do you expect? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465137)

If you elect a bunch of dictators to run your country, of course there will be some restrictions like this. In the US, we learned that lesson under George W. Bush. Just elect the Chinese version of Barack Obama, and your problems will be solved.

Re:What do you expect? (1)

nomorecwrd (1193329) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465273)

Just elect the Chinese version of Barack Obama, and your problems will be solved.

I'm not sure to laugh or cry

Re:What do you expect? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465577)

Chinese version of Barack Obama
We did. They was reagan and W.

Re:What do you expect? (1)

mk_is_here (912747) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465683)

In China, you don't have the opportunity to elect someone to run the government...
No, you have no rights to choose your leader (even false hope is not given)

Re:What do you expect? (1)

Sinning (1433953) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466607)

WOOOOSH!

Re:What do you expect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28467217)

in communist china leaders choose you?

go get a coffee (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465151)

Yeah... You are a America, the typical one:ignorant and naive but with full wagon of pride.

Even British knows: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/4797727/Googles-Gmail-service-crashes-across-world.html

Block Google Since Bing Will Play Ball (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465181)

I find it interesting that their little "trial run" of blocking Google comes so soon after Bing decides to filter out anything sensitive (you know porn, skeletons, pandas) [pcworld.com] to China. So if we've got on big player playing ball, let the other one know what will happen to them if they don't. Another motive could be a a display of defiance to the West's requests [physorg.com] to stop with all the blocking and blocking software? Maybe it's coincidence, maybe it's many factors.

Re:Block Google Since Bing Will Play Ball (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465545)

They already had another big player. Baidu is the largest search engine in China, Google is a relatively minor player in the Chinese market.

Does MS ever resist? (0, Troll)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466831)

Sorry for being cynical, but I always get the feeling that if there is something authoritarian to participate in Microsoft is first in line. Examples:
    - Windows DRM
    - Windows Media DRM
    - Zune DRM - incompatible with Windows Media DRM
    - Windows Advantage - when it works
    - Site blocking
    - HDCP
    - Paying Zune royalties to the media industry
    - Others?

Sure, Microsoft did not come up with all these solutions, but they have shown zero signs of trying to resist. In fact I get the opposite feeling.

calm down chinaphiles... (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465189)

it sounds like a simple case of a misconfigured great wall of china. of course, ill stay tuned for the round-the-clock coverage from CNN on this critical human rights violation.

Re:calm down chinaphiles... (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465321)

My first thought was 'Yeah, because it can't possibly be a problem with the internet... It has to be China doing something nasty.'

Hell, the article itself said service came back for some before others... That in itself says that it's probably the net and not China.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:calm down chinaphiles... (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465541)

Nothing to see here, move along.

That's what people are afraid will happen.

Re:calm down chinaphiles... (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465575)

It also said that connecting to the google.com IP address worked, which implies that the failure was in DNS. I've had my ISP's DNS cache occasionally fail to return results, or return an invalid cached result a few times. Doing it for a site as big as Google is embarrassing, but not unheard of.

Re:calm down chinaphiles... (1)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 5 years ago | (#28468013)

I've had my ISP's DNS cache occasionally fail to return results, or return an invalid cached result a few times. Doing it for a site as big as Google is embarrassing, but not unheard of.

It's kinda unusual for it to happen blanket across all DNS's at the same instant, following a critical piece of reportage on Google by the government owned television network (which received a 40bn Yuan advertising revenue gift from arch-rival Baidu shortly before the Google critical piece, and shortly after a critical piece on them).

Re:calm down chinaphiles... (1)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 5 years ago | (#28468033)

*all ISPs, not all DNS's, that would make sense.

Re:calm down chinaphiles... (1)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466799)

...because it can't possibly be a problem with the internet...

Maybe a Zeppelin dropped a skyhook on one of their cables.

Gauging response? (3, Interesting)

ComputerDruid (1499317) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465191)

It seems to me that google is one of the sites on the internet that make china's censorship work much more difficult. It's not hard to imagine that they'd like google gone for good. Unfortunately, google is a very real part of a lot of people's lives.

Is it possible that this (and other similar actions) are attempts to see if they would be able to get away with blocking google for a longer period of time, and not cause a mass uproar?

Re:Gauging response? (2, Informative)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465357)

Not gauging response. Sending message.

"We can destroy your business in here on whim. Now, be nice and play by the rules."

And people wonder why Google turned evil while ago and cooperates with censor-states.

Re:Gauging response? (2, Informative)

Sinbios (852437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466709)

Google is a real part of YOUR life. Most Chinese haven't even heard of it.

In any event, google.cn is apparently still available.

Local Laws (1, Insightful)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465193)

As an American working in China you should realise that you have forfeit your American rights and are now living under Chinese law. As such the Chinese can block your access to whatever they choose. And, amazingly, they also have the right to block access to services provided by American companies.

This is not news, nor should it be news. China is a sovereign nation and can do as it pleases within its own borders as long as no international laws are broken; and I'm pretty sure that denying access to Google does not fall into that category.

Re:Local Laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465237)

See what happens if they block an important, popular, useful site like goatse [goatse.fr] .

Revolution in 3,2,1...

Re:Local Laws (3, Insightful)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465253)

Yes because obviously he's complaining that "The great evil china is violating my rights".

No.. it simply stated that china started blocking google. When one of the most censorship happy regimes starts blocking the biggest search provider in the world IT IS NEWS.

Your rock, go back under it.

Re:Local Laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28466561)

How do you know it is not a DNS issue from your ISP?

Re:Local Laws (5, Insightful)

fiordhraoi (1097731) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465297)

Sure, they CAN do as they please. That doesn't mean they're going to make correct/good decisions.

Saying that something is okay as long as it's not covered by existing international law is saying "do anything you want as long as the rest of us haven't thought of it yet." Indeed, international law barely exists - at core it's nothing more than the various treaties and agreements between states. It tends to have very little to do with individuals. There is no international Congress that can pass a law that affects all nations - don't even get me started on the UN (or as I've taken to calling it lately, the League of United Nations).

If China wanted to execute all couples who had more than two children, they could do so. It wouldn't be against any international law. Does that make it right? Does that mean humanitarian organizations should back off and shut up? Hell no.

Being a sovereign nation gives you the ABILITY (not the right) to do as you wish in many circumstances. It sure as hell doesn't give a "Mandate of Heaven" that says all your decisions will be correct and good for people.

Sure, censoring Google may seem like a small thing, but compare it to the censorship that still exists regarding things like the Tiananmen square massacre - or as it's euphemized in China, the "June 4th incident." It's still a completely forbidden topic in media and print. That's the kind of BS that overarching censorship can lead to.

Re:Local Laws (1, Insightful)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465361)

Sure, they CAN do as they please. That doesn't mean they're going to make correct/good decisions.

Correct or good decisions for whom? You as an American?

Re:Local Laws (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465619)

Correct or good decisions for whom? You as an American?

Yes, him as an American, or me as a Brit. Or you as a... whatever you are. Us, collectively, as people with subjective ethical systems. Being aware of certain types of behaviour[1] allows us to make judgements on whether these countries are, collectively, following an ethical system we regard as compatible with our own. If they are not, then we have the option of not visiting them, not doing business with them or (in extreme cases) supporting rebellions in these countries. Making ethical decisions is a large part of what being human entails. If you are not comfortable with it, then pick a mass media outlet to make these determinations for you; it's easier than thinking.

[1] In this case, it sounds like someone just messed up with a DNS cache configuration, rather than doing anything malicious, but let's talk hypotheticals for a bit.

Re:Local Laws (1)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465753)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing (though I'm not sure that supporting rebellions can ever be ethical), I'm just playing Devil's Advocate on the grounds that there seem to be a lot of stories on here that seem to be along the lines of "[insert country] doesn't do things the way the US does, so lets all criticise" when there are a lot of things that need to be fixed in their own back yard first.

For example:-
  • Britain - Surveillance society (*cough* Echelon *cough*)
  • Iran - Fixed elections (oh the irony)
  • France and Germany - Free speech (don't mention the war)
  • EU - Fines US companies for breaking EU law (oh noes)

I'm British BTW, and getting tired of all the rhetoric and hypocrisy

Re:Local Laws (1)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466031)

Britain - Surveillance society (*cough* Echelon *cough*)

Are you seriously suggesting that no brits are criticizing this?

EU - Fines US companies for breaking EU law (oh noes)

Technically, it was EU departments of an US company that got fined. EU cannot fine a US company. And why should a company be exempt from laws just because their mother firm resides in another country?

I'm British BTW, and getting tired of all the rhetoric and hypocrisy

Heh.

Re:Local Laws (1)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466229)

Are you seriously suggesting that no brits are criticizing this?

Not at all. Just that its our business and our problem to sort out.

Re:Local Laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28467499)

"We know what they want" - this is the exact sentiment that simply created a different problem instead of solving one. Ask US about Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan...

Re:Local Laws (1)

fiordhraoi (1097731) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466085)

Actually, in this particular case, for the Chinese people as a whole. In fact, if China suddenly went through another cultural revolution of sorts, tossed censorship and government control of private lives out the window, and got some sort of system in place that manged to balance individual rights and national progress, their economy could REALLY take off. Sure, they're a huge economy, but they also have four times as many people as the USA and has about a fourth of the USA's GDP. China beginning to perform economically as well, per capita, would mean the USA would no longer be the largest economy in the world. So that could actually be seen as detrimental to me as an American.

Re:Local Laws (1)

cyberjessy (444290) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465889)

I have great respect for America's determination to protect freedom and free speech. That word means a lot to you, as it does to me.

But wait, before you call it a Tiananmen square "massacre" - do you consider that ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND [iraqbodycount.org] people are now dead in Iraq. Last week, a drone killed 140 people in Afganistan, mostly innocents.

So, as opposed to thousands of their own people killed by the Chinese, you went to another country and killed much much more.

I am not saying it is worse; just saying that taking a stance on moral issues is difficult. And often becomes very subjective.

Re:Local Laws (2, Insightful)

fiordhraoi (1097731) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466301)

Well, first off, a large number of those 100k dead aren't due to US bombing/gunfire/etc. I haven't scoured the site for exact numbers, so I can't give you hard percentages and so on. In fact, so far in 2009, more people are being killed per day in suicide attacks than with gunfire/executions. I know you didn't explicitly say they were all due to the US, but it was implied.

Second, there's a moral difference between shooting at someone intending to kill them and someone getting caught in the crossfire due to literal crossfire, mistaken identity, or any of a host of other screw ups. Sure, the person is just as dead, but we're talking about moral issues here. No, I'm not saying that all civilian deaths in Iraq were unavoidable, but the US military as a whole is not going out and deliberately targeting noncombatants. China most certainly did.

Third, there is a large time/concentration difference. The violence in Tienanmen square essentially happened in one day, though the protests there had gone on for weeks. There are no hard numbers available (though I'm sure they exist somewhere in the CCP's records) but estimates are that somewhere around 2,500 people were killed and another 10,000 or so injured. Concentration of deaths does play a role in whether or not something has an impact. For example, according to the website you posted, approximately 12 civilians per day are currently being killed in Iraq due to violence. At the height of the violence (after the initial push) in 2006-2007, about 60 civilians per day were being killed. In the US alone, an average of 110 people per day die in car accidents. Does that make any of these deaths less horrible for the families involved, etc? No. But from a societal level, it does illustrate comparative actual impact (though psychological impact may differ, obviously).

Finally, can we please institute a Godwin's Law about Iraq, already? If the conversation is about the war in Iraq and whether or not you like it, fine. If it's not, let's keep it on topic. :P

Re:Local Laws (1)

BlackBloq (702158) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465901)

Seems like businesses probably started to yell... (or make polite calls to high officials). I wonder how much Chinese commerce depends on those services to facilitate profit for companies based in the Mainland? And what the incurred loss per minute to China would be?

Re:Local Laws (5, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466297)

China is a sovereign nation and can do as it pleases within its own borders as long as no international laws are broken;
Trade restriction. And EU is bringing that up to UN. Just like America did recently about CHina restricting EXPORTS of Steel making minerals. China is cheating all the way to the bank, and the west either needs to crack down on China, or better yet, SLOWLY raise similar barriers. For example, slowly drop the dollar and Euro against the Yuan on imports. That will encourage China to free their money. Likewise, if China does not drop their trade barriers like they agreed to do by 2002, then we should slowly and methodically raise ours.

Re:Local Laws (0, Offtopic)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466615)

Anyhow - your statement looks, hmm "canned"...blink twice if you were forced to write that message ;)

No, really. I find no fault in your words. It sucks that China does this but it is their choice. Denying people access to Google is not a crime in the international courts. People may not like it but gov't doesn't always make choices that people like. OT: I particularly enjoyed how the mod trolls moded you as troll. If i had mod points I'd give you a point UP. Unfortunately I used it all yesterday

Hey morons..i mean mods - the point system is not for you to mod down posts you don't agree with. Notice the mod up points are for interesting, informative, insightful....there is no "uninsightful" mods. There is troll but the OP posters falls short of troll. It would be informative and insightful.

Anyhow - that's why i post on slashdot ala karma excellente'

Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (5, Funny)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465219)

I have a great idea! Let's show our support for Democracy and condemn the actions of the fascist dicatorship with a big shopping spree at Walmart. Maybe if we give these guys 500 billion dollars a year, they will be nice to us and freedom will reign and shower everyone with joy!

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (3, Insightful)

El Torico (732160) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465487)

The sad part is that few care enough about Democracy, Liberty, and Freedom (add Western Liberal Tradition Value here) to pay higher prices for non-Chinese (or other Slave State) products. Of course, many care enough to endure hardship and risk life and limb in Iraq and Afghanistan to promote those same values (as they genuinely believe). Strange, isn't it?

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465651)

I wish people would stop lumping democracy in with liberty and freedom. Liberty and freedom are goals, democracy is a tool for obtaining that goal. It is not universally useful. By elevating democracy to a goal in and of itself, you harm the causes of liberty and freedom.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (2, Insightful)

El Torico (732160) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465939)

I don't see where Authoritarian or Anarchism ever effectively promoted Liberty, Freedom, or any other Liberal Western value. Authoritarian states always limit or deny these ideals and Anarchist states always fail to defend the citizenry against outside aggression.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28466481)

You're an idiot. Anarchy is the purest form of freedom there is (a lack of all rules). It's obviously promoting liberty and freedom.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 5 years ago | (#28467347)

And you're a coward and an idiot. The key word in my previous post is "effectively".

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (1)

Sinbios (852437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466793)

What is the deal with you and Liberal Western values? Are you suggesting that the whole world should adopt the same values as their own?

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 5 years ago | (#28467577)

I don't advocate "regime change" through outside force as a normal practice. The whole world would probably be happier if it did adopt Liberty, Rule of Law, Representative Government, etc. These aren't exclusively Western ideals or ideas, nor should only Westerners be the only ones to benefit.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28468065)

well, it would be nice if they would at least try not to run down their people with tanks and subjugate women. But hey, they are different than us, so it's ok for them to do those things.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28468311)

In general I think you're right, but there are exceptions:

Democratic reforms in the Kingdom of Bhutan [wikipedia.org]

It doesn't get much more authoritarian than having a king, but they still managed to introduce national elections, and even lay out an impeachment procedure for ousting a sitting king.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465835)

Have you tried to buy non-Chinese products lately? I have, when purchasing power tools and hand tools. So far, I'm 2 for 5 at finding the right product IN ANY PRICE RANGE that's not marked "Made in China." The metal Vise-Grips were made in the USA and the hedge shears were made in Mexico, with parts from Taiwan and Vietnam. The corded electric drills were all from China. The routers were all from China, except one professional-grade model far beyond what I needed. The wet-dry vacs were all made in China.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465637)

Funny thing is, that there are more Western made products at Wally world these days, though Target remains a front-end for China (little there is NOT made in china). What is funny is that I have noticed that generics at places like King Soopers and safeway is being made In America, Mexico and Canada. Perhaps America can get the trade imbalance back into shape. My guess is that if oil continues upwards slowly, we will see more items move back to the west, and more trade by countries that are close.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28466175)

Actually, most of the products I've purchased at Target were furniture made in other Asian countries, not China. Malaysia, Vietnam, etc.

Re:Let's all go shop at Walmart to Protest! (1)

nobodylocalhost (1343981) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465927)

And of course, walmart itself is a fascist dictatorship if you think about it. A rather hostile fascist dictatorship that economically destroys local small businesses, lowers overall GDP of the area, and subverts nations' economic control. IMO it is worse than China, it's like early stages of the soviet union but without communism.

Google analytics (1, Insightful)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465231)

I'd block them too. In fact the practice of blocking google analytics isn't unheard of at all outside of China. It only wastes bandwidth and google/site owners have too much information on your surfing habits already. All these statistics/advertising things just slow shit down and don't really do anything for you.

Re:Google analytics (1)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465309)

the difference is usually it's the user blocking them outside of china via adblock or whatever

my experiences... (4, Interesting)

cies (318343) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465241)

im traveling in china for the last 6 weeks and the state of internet connections here is very random.

domestic sites, like the immensely popular QQ and baidu, are always _very_ responsive.

google sometimes gets a slow down to the extend that it is nearly unusable (that really help people here to move over to the super fast and slightly more chineese friendly baidu).

the main thing is the randomness, if it is connectivity/ congestion issues, or some conspiracy: no-one knows.

local plus great wall (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465571)

After living in China for a while, I got the distinct impression that there was the "Great Wall" as well as local level monitoring and filtering (at least for foreigners). A couple doors down, there were always random people coming in and out of one of the apartments, and it would get quiet when my internet was being used. I had trouble accessing some sites, so one night I set everything up with encryption and Tor. The next morning, all of them were extremely distressed-looking and bleary eyed (the first time I saw them like that).
Circumstantial evidence to be sure, but that combined with other things makes me think that there are two levels of monitoring/filtering in China, a possible reason for regional inconsistencies...

Re:local plus great wall (2, Insightful)

Sinbios (852437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466805)

What the hell do you do that you have a whole apartment full of people watching your every move?

DNS problem maybe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465285)

Based on the short story summary, this could be as simple as the DNS server you use having an issue, not some grand blocking scheme.
We all know blocking in CN happens, do we need the /. front page to provide OMG weekly/daily updates on what is currently blocked and not blocked in CN?

It's like a glitch in the Matrix (4, Funny)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465313)

They just changed something.

Re:It's like a glitch in the Matrix (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465497)

What people in China don' t know is that the content crossing the firewall is entirely simulated. The rest of the world is an illusion created by The Machines to keep them docile, when in reality most of Earth is a barren wasteland. Quite why The Machines kept this last enclave humans alive and constructed an elaborate fantasy world so that they could spend a significant proportion of their industrial capacity producing plastic crap [theonion.com] for the illusory West is anyone's guess.

This happens all the time. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465341)

International connections slow to a crawl on any politically sensitive event(most likely green dam filtering in this case). Any major news source that carries said political news(say hello google news) will slow down to a crawl, or not load at all. The major news doesn't carry this because it happens at least a half dozen times a year....

Google should block China (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465347)

Give them a week with no google, no gmail, no google maps, and see what kind of reaction the chinese government gets. Then say they can have their google back when they agree to stop blocking it.

Re:Google should block China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465667)

Give them a week with no google, no gmail, no google maps, and see what kind of reaction the chinese government gets.

A big yawn?

Re:Google should block China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465845)

I already block china on my ftp servers. It was getting annoying that every single day yet another ftp hackbot was trying to hack me from there.

Re:Google should block China (1)

ctrl-alt-canc (977108) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465877)

This is not a good idea: imagine what happens when they discover that life can be better and more productive when they do not waste their time with google services...

Re:Google should block China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465991)

So the government did the bad thing, and you want to punish the people? Smart.

BIG MISTAKE (2, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466251)

Chinese Govt WANTS that. They are busy pushing Baidu, and about to push Baidu into western world. Right now, Baidu controls ~65% of chinese search, while Google is only ~25%. The reason is that Chinese gov PUSHES Baidu and creates rules to help them. For example, Baidu copied Google's 'Im feeling Lucky', so the gov told Google to no longer allow it because it was leading to too many porn sites, but did not do the same on Baidu. What was interesting is that a study was done, it showed that Baidu had either the same rate or possibly more of porn. The big difference is that Baidu will not lead to anti-gov stuff while google might.

Planning for the future? (1)

lightningrod220 (705243) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465427)

Is it possible they're merely testing to see if they can pull a full-scale blockade of Internet communications, if they ever have the need? I know if I was running a tyrannical government, I'd be looking to avoid the problems that Iran's government is having. You can't block them after things go bad, but if you do it *quietly* shortly before, you might have a better chance. Possibly.

Wake up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28465737)

People, please wake up. Stop doing business with China. Stop outsourcing, stop buying clothes from China.
Cut them off from any business, tell anybody about it, tell the store you're shopping at, tell and vote with money.

Trends (1)

Yogiz (1123127) | more than 5 years ago | (#28465875)

20$ on China being the first country in the 21st century to make encryption illegal. Things are only going to be worse, not better.

It's a TRAP! (1)

ChinaLumberjack (1443691) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466055)

Advice for Google and Bing. GTFO of China. The Chinese will not allow foreigners to control massive industries like search. Their approach to foreigners can be summarized in the following words:

Thanks for your technology!
Thanks for your money!
Now we own you, bitches.


The above incident sent a clear message to Google: We can and will shut you down.

Chinese people would be great schoolteachers (1)

ZarathustraDK (1291688) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466111)

I mean, going by the median they apparantly just can't get pissed off when somebody treats them like trash.

Re:Chinese people would be great schoolteachers (1)

Random2 (1412773) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466451)

It's known as maturity....

Re:Chinese people would be great schoolteachers (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#28468299)

I mean, going by the median they apparantly just can't get pissed off when somebody treats them like trash.

It's known as maturity....

I've long thought that "maturity" was typically used to mean "willingness to knuckle under". Thanks for confirming that.

regardless of china's public claims (4, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466169)

making google unreliable is a subtle argument for chinese citizens to depend upon chinese competitors to google, such as baidu

http://www.baidu.com/ [baidu.com]

does the outlay of that page look familiar to you?

for example, if my gmail account in china is unreliable- due to no fault of google, but unreliable nonetheless, that means i would tend to use some other email provider for that vital service. for baidu, all you have to do is have a fellow nationalist stooge in the government hit the flicker switch on google's traffic every now and then. since china is filtering everything anyway via centralized national authority, that's not hard to arrange

its a subtle and effective form of protectionism, something which the usa and other trading partners of china have noticed a severe uptick of recently, due to the global economic climate. which is especially hypocritical, since china, as a major exporter, is always complaining about protectionism

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/business/economy/24yuan.html [nytimes.com]

HONG KONG -- China has begun a concerted effort to keep its export economy humming, even as demand for its goods has plummeted with the global downturn.

Risking the ire of the United States and other trading partners, the Chinese government has quietly started adopting policies aimed at encouraging exports while curbing imports, even though China, as one of the world's largest exporters, has aggressively criticized protectionism in other countries.

The government has sharply expanded three programs to help exporters, giving them larger tax rebates, more generous loans from state-owned banks to finance trade, and more government-paid travel to promote themselves at trade shows around the world.

At the same time, Beijing has banned all local, provincial and national government agencies from buying imported goods except in cases where no local substitute exists.

Re:regardless of china's public claims (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28467395)

making google unreliable is a subtle argument for chinese citizens to depend upon chinese competitors to google, such as baidu
 

I don't think google has ever been a big hit in China in the first place. There're differences on how they're being used: http://searchengineland.com/chinese-eye-tracking-study-baidu-vs-google-11477

If the IP works, it's not a block (1)

thoth_amon (560574) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466371)

If the IP works, then routing to the Google servers obviously works. It sounds like an intermittent nameserver problem. China's DNS servers are having difficulty resolving names in a reasonable time. There could be any number of reasons for this, it's not necessarily that China is blocking Google.

DNS issue (2, Interesting)

tekniq (1585039) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466659)

How do you know it is not a DNS issue from your ISP? You can still access it through IP, don't you. If it is filtering, I doubt it can still working that way. Because it is in China, so any technical issue must be government doing evil.

Also Covered by BBC (1)

Joren (312641) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466843)

Surprisingly this has yet to pick up major coverage in the press.

The BBC is covering it here [bbc.co.uk] , and adds that China has accused Google of spreading pornography. This comes as China is requiring all new computers to come with "Green Dam" filtering software.

directly to a google.com IP address (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28466939)

Thats funny, so just use alternate DNS servers and you are home free.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

ZH connections (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28466943)

I'm posting this from China.

Google was off and on all today. Youtube is still blocked, 1 or 2 months since the last /. article about it, thought one proxy easily deals with the issue.

Other random factoids of note from a Chinese computer (not from a hotel; they use different censorship deals for Hotels than private residences).

The New York Times site is fully functional
Wikipedia works on everything except articles specifically talking about Chinese badstuff (IE you can visit the Chinese page, the PRC page, not the page of a certain Square).
Bittorrent will rarely use non-Chinese peers
The Sinfest webcomic is blocked.
4chan is not.

About 3/4 of the porn sites I know off the top of my head are blocked.

The french and japanese wikipedia articles for the Square incident aren't blocked.

Thought Police (2, Insightful)

omegahelix (1536923) | more than 5 years ago | (#28467191)

When are they going to learn that the flow of information can't be stopped?

Shame on Google, Yahoo and Microsoft if they continue to bow down to the dictators so they can make money in China!

Local DNS problem? (1)

jaclu (66513) | more than 5 years ago | (#28467545)

Why doesn't anybody suggest the obvious first guess, the reporting guy had a local dns problem, either his office or his provider accidentally misconfigured something.

Doesnt have to be this of course but I usually assume that the risk for human errors are larger the lower in the food chain you go, and the redundancies also are fewer, so instead of assuming all of China lost google, why not start by digging and looking around how spread the issue is first?

In 90% of all cases you find the problem in the first or second step if you search bottom up for net issues.

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