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Stoned Wallabies Make Crop Circles

samzenpus posted about 5 years ago | from the trippity-hop dept.

Science 104

It's the tripnaut! writes "The BBC reports that Australian wallabies are eating opium poppies and creating crop circles as they hop around 'as high as a kite', a government official has said. 'The one interesting bit that I found recently in one of my briefs on the poppy industry was that we have a problem with wallabies entering poppy fields, getting as high as a kite and going around in circles,' says Lara Giddings, the attorney general for the island state of Tasmania. 'Then they crash,' she added."

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104 comments

Who hops around on opium? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28484447)

As someone who has smoked a lot of opium in northern Afghanistan and the High Pamirs, I just have to ask: why are these wallabies hopping around? Opium is about the most soporific drug I could think of.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (4, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#28484455)

Obviously, the government official was high too.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28485223)

Dude I swear I saw marsupials jumping around in circles. It was so trippy. Hey! maybe they made the crop circles man.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#28486069)

This was in downtown LA?

Post the number of the dealer!

Re:Who hops around on opium? (2)

spandex_panda (1168381) | about 5 years ago | (#28489497)

Obviously, the government official was high too.

Dude. I am from Tasmania (no there are no spinning devils, its out of season) and you are absolutely right. The whole Goverment is high.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 5 years ago | (#28484829)

Who hops around on opium?

Marsupials. Duh.

But seriously, it could easily have a different effect on a different species. I don't know what effect a wallaby's naturally occurring endorphins have on them... maybe the sense of euphoria makes them excited and jumpy instead of lazy?

Re:Who hops around on opium? (4, Insightful)

gardyloo (512791) | about 5 years ago | (#28485103)

It might be the same as the effects of catnip in humans (a mild sedative) vs. on cats (usually not a sedative).

Re:Who hops around on opium? (4, Funny)

robthebloke (1308483) | about 5 years ago | (#28485181)

Try hopping in a straight line on it....

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 5 years ago | (#28485251)

There is a lot of refining between poppies and opium. Comparing the effect of eating poppies to the effect of smoking opium is similar to comparing the effect of eating marijuana to the effect of smoking hashish.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

S7urm (126547) | about 5 years ago | (#28485463)

except that Morphine is produced from the Milk of the poppy, which can be directly ingested in the case of a Wallaby eating a poppy, it would be similar to a human eating 80mg of pure Morphine Sulphate, i.e pretty strong.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (2, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about 5 years ago | (#28485741)

except that Morphine is produced from the Milk of the poppy, which can be directly ingested in the case of a Wallaby eating a poppy, it would be similar to a human eating 80mg of pure Morphine Sulphate, i.e pretty strong.

No, it would be similar to a human eating one or two poppies.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (2, Informative)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | about 5 years ago | (#28487617)

It would not be similar, do to the manufacturing process needed to convert poppy resin into usable heroin. As outlined below:

"If you're keen you CAN make use of them. I have references which list young plants 10-20cm high as having up to 71mg/100g dry weight of alkaloids. This can seem insignificant until you consider that opium is only about 12% alkaloids, and you can end up with a kilo of thinnings or more in your home garden. I estimate a couple of grams of smokeable opium type extract can be extracted using methanol. And given that thinnings usually appear prior to flowering commencing, why would you waste a chance?
On the other hand you CAN drop the thinnings into hot water and allow to steep for 10 minutes, which produces a vile tasting tea. Opium tea, in my humble opinion, is fucked. It tastes horrible, needs fresh flowers to be halfway potent, and does not store well. All alkaloids are apparently present in such a tea in roughly equal proportion to that which occurs in crude opium, but this improves the taste not one whit. Potency varies with opium tea: you can drink a glass and feel nothing, or drink a glass and discover in half an hour that you've had too much. Smoking O is a more immediate route and allows for better dose control. Smokeable O is also easier to store and has a long shelf life.
The alkaloids in Papaver somniferum are present in the plant their pure form, and are combined with so called vegetable acids. Combined with acids, alkaloids tend to be more soluble than the free bases. An early method for the extraction of morphine involved addition of calcium chloride to the filtrate of opium 'soup'. The calcium would precipitate the calcium salt of these vegetable acids as a sort of soap scum leaving a crude morphine hydrochloride.
Opium varies in alkaloidal content from batch to batch, and between regions. The British Pharmacoepia 1954 lists Yugoslavian opium as the most potent at 15-17% alkaloid content, followed by opium from Turkey, Iran, and Indian opium was at the bottom of the list with a 9-10.5% alkaloid content. pium is the name for the brown waxy exudation from the unripe seed capsules of Papaver somniferum. Opium is a combination of chemicals, not a chemical name in itself, as someone so rightly pointed out in Usenet recently. It's active ingredients are morphine, thebaine, codeine, papaverine and several others besides. Yield and proportions of opiates vary between individual plants, crops, varieties, areas. Other parts of the poppy plant (stems, leaves) produce a latex which dries and resembles opium, but the quality of the latexes from the other parts of the plant are not near as high.
Opium is described as a stimulant narcotic. Historically it has been prescribed as a painkiller, for inflammation unaccompanied by dyspnoea, in typhus, typhoid and smallpox etc.

You can purify opium further into its constituent alkaloids- then take the morphine and turn it into smack if you so desire. Wouldn't bother really, opium is a much more pleasant experience overall than heroin. And the skills you'd require are well out of the range of those described"

Re:Who hops around on opium? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28488349)

You are the first one to mention heroin. Everyone else is talking about morphine, which is in raw opium, along with codeine. Opium does not have to be processed to get you high.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

mikael_j (106439) | about 5 years ago | (#28489943)

Uh, eating marijuana has pretty much the same effect as smoking hashish, the high lasts longer and the hallucinogenic qualities of the drug tend to be more pronounced but overall it's the same effect caused by the same chemicals.

/Mikael

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 5 years ago | (#28490909)

I've done both myself (which is why I used that example) and while the effect is similar, smoking hashish is vastly more intense than eating marijuana. Which was the point of my comparison, eating poppies will be a less intense high than smoking opium.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

mikael_j (106439) | about 5 years ago | (#28492509)

Actually, if properly dosed marijuana taken orally is a lot more intense than if smoked, but if you eat as much as you would have smoked then the effects will not be as pronounced.

/Mikael

Re:Who hops around on opium? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 years ago | (#28490143)

"Comparing the effect of eating poppies to the effect of smoking opium is similar to comparing the effect of eating marijuana to the effect of smoking hashish."

Cookie moster loves COOKIEEES.

Re:Who hops around on opium? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28496119)

Cookie moster loves COOKIEEES.

Allow me to introduce you to Cookie Monster's crack-addicted punk rock brother, Cookie Mongoloid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFP3YVAbqEU [youtube.com]

Simple... (1)

denzacar (181829) | about 5 years ago | (#28485485)

Responsible wallabies don't let their friends drive under the influence.

Opiates make me speed my face off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28486245)

The initial nod part wears off very quickly for me to be replaced for hours and hours by a real speed-like effect. I get a pressure in my face and a desire to clean, code, or do some kind of work. My sleep gets totally fucked up. Chasing an opiate with a benzo is perfect.

Hrm (5, Funny)

Niris (1443675) | about 5 years ago | (#28484477)

This makes that show Rocko's Modern Life make a LOT more sense.

Re:Hrm (4, Funny)

GundamFan (848341) | about 5 years ago | (#28485311)

I'm sorry about this but I have to respond to your sig:

Sex is like pizza: even when it's bad it's still pizza.

If there animals are getting high (3, Insightful)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | about 5 years ago | (#28484491)

then is the desire to alter your consciousness with drugs a naturally occurring one? Does the drug war make sense anymore?

And why the hell didn't I give marijuana a try when I was in college? What the hell was I so scared of? Of course, now I'm old, and I don't have access to pot, so I can't try it.

Re:If there animals are getting high (4, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 5 years ago | (#28484745)

is the desire to alter your consciousness with drugs a naturally occurring one?

Ever seen a cat around catnip? Lemme put it this way: The question you're asking doesn't occur to them, they just know they love catnip.

And why the hell didn't I give marijuana a try when I was in college?

I hear ya man, especially since where I went to college it was about as close to legal as you can get in the States. When the penalty is a ticket less severe than for double parking, how much enforcement do you think there would be? But nooooo, I had to actually study and be a good student in college...

Re:If there animals are getting high (4, Interesting)

rthille (8526) | about 5 years ago | (#28485117)

Dude, you want pot, move to CA, get your medical marijuana card and go to town.

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28488121)

Dude, you want pot, move to CA, get your medical marijuana card and go to town.

That seems a lot of bother for something you can get around the corner.

--
Dutch guy.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

Errtu76 (776778) | about 5 years ago | (#28503127)

I'm curious, how much THC % is in medical over there? Over here (Holland) we just laugh at that stuff since it's about 2.5% compared to the regular 12-15%.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

rthille (8526) | about 5 years ago | (#28506103)

As far as I know, it varies quit a bit, and you can pay more and get more, or with a card, you can grow yourself.

Re:If there animals are getting high (4, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 years ago | (#28489211)

I didn't smoke because I wanted to maintain my memory.
Now that I am over 40, it turns out I'm loosing my memory anyways.

Re:If there animals are getting high (2, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 years ago | (#28490183)

I'm 50 and have smoked for 35yrs now, short term memory is screwed when stoned but when straight I don't seem to have any more "senior moments" than other non-smokers my age.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

reginaldo (1412879) | about 5 years ago | (#28484787)

How is it living in the Vatican? :P

I live in Southern California, and pot is so prevalent here I am amazed when I meet people who don't smoke weed.

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28484917)

How can you not have access to pot? Everyone has access to pot. Since you've never looked for it, you just don't know how to find it. Easiest way: just ask someone if they smoke. You'll find someone eventually. Craigslist is another fairly easy way to find it. Just scan the personals section or make a post. If your near there, just go to California. Google medical marijuana California.

OR go on a vacation to Amsterdam. It's one of the worlds most beautiful cities. The people are friendly and most speak english. The museums are great, it's very close via rail to other major European cities (The Hague is a great city as well as Utrecht).

Next on Fox: When Animals get High (4, Interesting)

spun (1352) | about 5 years ago | (#28485107)

I wouldn't call it a natural desire, because the animals aren't born with it. But most every animal that has experienced consciousness alteration wants more of it. Birds eat fermented fruits and berries and get so drunk they can't fly. Most dogs love beer. Many pets like the effects of marijuana. But my all time favorite drunken animal story is the one about the derailed corn train and the drunken bears. A trainload of corn derailed in the Rockies, where cleanup was next to impossible. After the corn fermented, bears would come from miles around to eat the fermented corn, and get so drunk they'd pass out on the tracks. So the railroad company buried the corn. And the bears dug it up. The company sprayed it with nasty tasting stuff. The bears didn't care. Finally, they covered it in diesel fuel and burned it. The bears ate what was left.

Re:Next on Fox: When Animals get High (2, Insightful)

mikiN (75494) | about 5 years ago | (#28486153)

Re:Next on Fox: When Animals get High (1)

DirtyCanuck (1529753) | about 5 years ago | (#28488235)

Lets not forget:

Reindeer and Mushrooms.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Magic-mushrooms-Reindeer [videosift.com]

Re:Next on Fox: When Animals get High (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 5 years ago | (#28489783)

Jeebus. I would not want to be the guy tasked with taking away the bears' booze.

Re:Next on Fox: When Animals get High (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 years ago | (#28490251)

Interesting post. Many dogs in Queensland have learnt to lick cane toads and get high (as opposed to eating them and dropping dead). My favorite drunken animal story is about a heard of Indian elephants who broke into a a village storehouse and drank several barrels of grog, when they had finished drinking what was in the storehouse they ripped the rets of the village to bits looking for more.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

Krneki (1192201) | about 5 years ago | (#28485171)

You can grow pot inside quite cheaply if you wish to do so.

Just spend 15min on the net and you will find all the answers you need. Beside nursing a plant is very Earth friendly. :)

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 5 years ago | (#28485203)

...now I'm old, and I don't have access to pot, so I can't try it.

If you have a California driver's license and a case of anxiety, you could head down to the 'farmacy'.

As Ron White says: "I get bummed when I run out of weed, and marijuana cures that."

Re:If there animals are getting high (1, Funny)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#28486209)

PM: Dr., im very anxious.

DR: Whats the prob, sir?

PM: I cant get any pot! This is very stressfull

DR: No worries, my son, this is California.

Re:If there animals are getting high (4, Interesting)

vorpal22 (114901) | about 5 years ago | (#28485941)

There are huge numbers of examples of animals consuming intoxicants in nature:

* Hummingbirds will drink the sap of daturas and brugmansias, which contain deleriant tropanes, inducing extremely potent hallucinations.

* India has problems with elephants and alcohol. Elephants will consume fruit that has fermented, and then, in their state of intoxication, cause massive amounts of damage to towns and power lines.

* Most amusingly (to me), my aunt has a farm, and every night the ducks are corralled in the barn. Every morning when she goes to let them out, they're quacking and pressed up against the door. An explosion of ducks happens when she finally lets them free, and apparently they race for a shady patch across the field and fight viciously over there. She could not figure out why this was the case, so after hearing that cattle were frequently in that area, I suggested she check the cow dung for mushrooms. Sure enough, those ducks were bolting out to fight over a morning dose of magic mushrooms.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28486089)

You don't have apple trees in your yard, do you? When the apples start to get a bit past ripe they turn into alcohol and millions of insects go eat them to get hammered. Give such an apple to a horse and observe it demolish it with great pleasure... I'd say it's just as natural as everything else man does.

Re:If there animals are getting high (2, Interesting)

vorpal22 (114901) | about 5 years ago | (#28486313)

Incidentally, if you are still interested in forms of intoxication other than alcohol (which is fun but not particularly interesting and comes with a hefty price in the form of a hangover), there are plenty of options at your disposal. Some worth investigating:

* The mescaline containing San Pedro cactus, which is a fantastic hallucinogen, IMO. Long (10-12 hours), but very fun even at low doses. I found it quite mood enhancing and stimulating, and would consume 10 grams and then proceed to clean my entire house. As I despise cleaning, this was a great way to get to those chores I detest and put off perpetually like dusting, washing walls, etc. Even the mundane becomes quite intriguing. Best purchased dried if you intend to use it for recreational experimentation, although a lovely plant in its own right.

* The salvinorin containing Salvia divinorum (a variety of sage called Diviner's sage), a very potent hallucinogen that can be bought online through lots of distributors. Extremely powerful, but very short lived.

* Amanita muscaria (the red mushrooms with white spots on the caps, also another hallucinogen). As I haven't tried it, I can't really comment on this one other to say that it's out there.

* Dextromethorphan, a dissociative anaesthetic in the same family as ketamine and quite the opposite of a traditional hallucinogen in terms of effect. At low doses, it is frequently described as a combination of alcohol, marijuana, and caffeine with extremely mild hallucinogenic effects (walls may breathe, things may seem mildly lilliputian). At high doses it is incredibly bizarre and induces phenomena like out of body experiences, astral projection, ego annihilation, etc. Really cool stuff, and available at any pharmacy without a prescription, although the product through which it is consumed does make some uneasy due to negative stigma.

* Nitrous oxide (laughing gas) in the form of whippets is regularly available, although depending on your area, purchase with intent to consume may be illegal. Delightful drug, which in particular mixes well with others. Gets a bad rap because it is an inhalant, but it is *not* a solvent and does not cause the brain damage associated with solvents. Well worth trying.

* Kava, the root of the Piper methysticum tree (a variety of pepper), usually consumed as a beverage. It has been extremely popular in the South Pacific for centuries and is drank in ways similar to North American alcohol consumption. It is a sedative-hypnotic and functions very similarly to benzodiazepines (Valium, Ativan, Xanax, Klonopin and friends) but is nonaddictive. It can be ordered from Hawaii, where it is also consumed, by various suppliers. I have had fantastic, very fast service (even to Canada) with http://www.realkava.com/ [realkava.com] and was extremely impressed with the product. This stuff is fairly mild, great and worth exploring: I would drink a few cups and then spend the night working on my creative writing. Note that there were some concerns several years ago about people experiencing liver failure after regularly consuming kava in pill forms, but the current hypothesis regarding this is that pharmaceutical companies, in an effort to curb costs, were using stems and leaves of Piper methysticum (as opposed to just roots), which contain hepatoxins. The indigenous people of the South Pacific have no recorded cases of liver damage, although they are smart enough to stick to the root of the tree.

While some of the major players in the legal drug world, those are but a sample of what is at your disposal. Some options are definitely best avoided (nutmeg and daturas, for example). The above should be fairly safe and readily available to most, although your mileage may vary on both accounts. I have tried all but the amanitas with good success, and would recommend them all.

Pot is, in my opinion, a miserable drug, but I'm one of those few people for which it is extremely hallucinogenic (not in a good way) and anxiety inducing. I also suspect that it is more addictive than many people suspect: I had friends in high school who went to rehab for pot and my partner and his best friend are now both heavy users and probably quite addicted. I know if my husband doesn't get his daily smoke in, he experiences severe headaches and is in a very foul mood.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 years ago | (#28487683)

Amanita muscaria (the red mushrooms with white spots on the caps, also another hallucinogen)

No, that's the kind of mushroom that makes you grow up [teesforall.com] .

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28487899)

Addressing your husband's problems, perhaps he is using marijuana to treat a medical condition that he would be better off using a headache medicine for, and perhaps his mood problems are just indicative of his true (sober) personality. Perhaps you married an asshole that uses sobriety as an excuse to be a dick to his loved ones.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

vorpal22 (114901) | about 5 years ago | (#28490175)

We got married well before he started smoking pot, so I know that his crankiness is not an inherent part of his personality. It goes away with prolonged abstinence (as do the headaches), but it takes at least a week, and more likely two.

He does suffer from depression, and has type I diabetes, though. I suspect his pot use is a coping mechanism - as unhealthy as it may be - for his depressive tendencies.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

kv9 (697238) | about 5 years ago | (#28490303)

lots of stuff about good drugs

yours is the best post I read on Slashdot, ever. and you sound like an (older) chick... mom, is that you?

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

kayditty (641006) | about 5 years ago | (#28490707)

I've tried Amanita muscaria and absolutely nothing happened. A friend I talk to online has done the same; we both bought them from web suppliers, so it could be that these sites were scams, or, as I suspect, the psychoactive material in the mushrooms had long precipitated out of the mushrooms--in other words, it may be that they need to be picked fresh for maximum effectiveness. The seller I bought them from happens to be fairly reputable. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to post their name or not; I suppose I don't see why not, apart from the fact that wider recognition may spoil it for us all. Note: I'm not trying to slander or libel anyone.. I'm an actual customer, and it may be entirely my error that the Amanita experience failed.

Salvia is now illegal in my state, and it is illegal in several other states as well, so that's something to watch out for. You can check if it's legal in your state here (or browse around Erowid for your country's laws in case you're not a US citizen): http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_law.shtml#state [erowid.org]
If it weren't for that, I'd love to try it.

Nitrous is something that I've been interested in and I think I will try soon. I'm a little unclear about how to consume it effectively and healthily, though. I'm goin to have to read up on that.

Dextromethorphan, ah. Our love is bittersweet. I have used this substance on five different occasions. As it happens, three of those were within the last week, and I reached the fourth plateau and possibly plateau sigma. The experience was a very frightening one, but I managed to handle it quite calmly and take it in stride. It's a learning experience, and I don't regard any of my trips as overly negative, though they can be very hard to endure. I'm still hungover four days later from my experience, but I'm slowly improving. I would recommend that anyone consuming this substance be sure that they are doing so in such a way as to ingest only the active ingredient dextromehorphan hydrobromide, and I would recommend against using the "time release" formula dextromethorphan polistirex, as found in the over-the-counter cough formula Delsym (which is what my recent experience was with; prior experience was with dxm HBr). and I would recommend a starting dose of perhaps only 100-200mg, in case the hypothetical user has a sensitivity, which some do (supposedly a deficiency of the enzyme CYP2D6, which dxm and other drugs act on). a good starting dose, once you're sure that your tolerance is normal, is 354mg, which is what you'll find in most over-the-counter 4oz bottles of cough syrup, though in the case of Vicks 44 you'll need 6z for the same amount of active ingredient (177mL at 2mg/mL, whereas Robitussin and most others are 3mg/mL; Delsym is 6mg/mL and actually the liquid is clear and quite tasty. I also have yet to become nauseous with Delsym, whereas, unfortunately, I haven't been able to avoid vomiting with other syrups). It is also possible to take dxm in the form of pure powder which can be bought online, Sucrets cough gels (hard to find), or Zicam Cough Max, which are taken sublingually--rumored to be one of the better methods of ingesting dxm. I would add that this is a drug to be respected very, very heavily, and do not think that just because it's over the counter and something 13 year olds use to "get high"* that it is not intense. It can be very, very, very intense, even in small doses.

With all that out of the way, it seems that you have a problem with deliriants. I would be interested to know if that is out of personal experience. For me, nutmeg has provided positive results overall, being very much like a marijuana high, with only really minor negatives, the biggest one being its really long onset. It's also possible that a nutmeg high can last a day or longer, which is unpleasant for some. And the drymouth can be very severe. But for me, this would almost be my drug of choice, except for one small caveat: I seem to have a very high tolerance for it, and, if I try to consume it more than once within a period of say, a week or two, the effects are barely noticable, even after uppin dosage considerably. I have heard that others had bad experience with nutmeg. For them, usually it's because the come up takes forever, the high lasts quite a long time, and the method of consumption is unpleasant. I did not have any problems just pouring ground nutmeg powder in my mouth and swallowing with water. It can be used responsibly, if you're aware of all of the things to look out for. Try it in a low dose when you have some free time, keep a calm mind and know that you're going to be okay, and see what happens. Your mileage may vary.

Another deliriant I have been experimenting with quite a bit recently is Diphenhydramine, found in Benadryl and other allergy or over the counter sleep remedies. It's also available as Dimenhydrinate, commonly in the form of Dramamine, which is about 2/3 the potency of diphenhydramine. For me, deliriants are quite ineffectual on the whole in terms of providing the scary, lucid hallucinations most people seem to experience with them. I do not know if this is because I'm exceptionally sound of mind (I tend to be, I think), because I have some sort of unusual brain chemistry, or just because I research everything I use thoroughly beforehand and make an effort to be responsible when I do so. But I have built up a ridiculous tolerancey for diphenhydramine, and I have yet to get really crazy hallucinations with it. I have taken doses as high as 500mg. It produces a high that I also think is similar to marijuana, though not nearly as much as nutmeg, but with a more sedating, lazy kind of high, and an extreme body load which may be unpleasant to some. I actually like it quite a bit. But I would recommend starting really low, because the potential for hallucinations IS there, and this may be an undesirable effect for some, though it's actually what I have been striving for in part. I'm really interested in deliriants. I said that I have not received many hallucinations with this drug. That is kind of a lie. I have been using it quite a bit for a month or two in low to moderate doses (using 400-500mg on occasion), and in the higher doses I have experienced a few minor hallucinations--perhaps 2 or 3 per experience. But in the past week or two, I have decided to mix this drug with dextromethorphan. The first time I did so, I received vivid, dream-like closed-eye visuals, and it is the first time I have ever experienced any visual effects. More recently, on my last trip, I mixed 300-400mg dextromethorphan polistirex with 300mg diphenhydramine hydrochloride, exactly 24 hours after having consumed 600mg dextromethorphan polistirex. This produced some pretty profound effects, some which I really can't recall all that well. At points, I lost control of my body, having involuntary muscle movements. All I could think of during this experience was death and dying, and ordinary concepts of human reality made no sense to me whatsoever. It was not until two days after the trip that I realized I actually lost contact with reality, and that I may have actually experienced something similar to ego death. But I also felt an overwhelming sense of love and peace, and I saw all of the problems in my life in a new light. I realized they were not really problems, and that the solution to everything is just to act and enjoy myself. Too many people are focused on "purpose" and being succesful. This trip really exemplified the absurdist, transcendentalist philosophy (in the Emerson/Thoreau individualist sense) I exhibit, to the point that the ideas I have were experienced as physical senses. I physically became my ideas and emotions, and felt the most profound sense of anything I've ever felt in my life. At some points during the trip I experienced open-eye hallucinations, which I recognized immediately as hallucinations and which were not at all unpleasant for me. With all of that said, I do not recommend this to the unexperienced user of either of these two drugs. Try this with extreme caution and work your way up, if at all.

And, finally, I would like to add that I have yet to try Datura. I know that it is really dangerous, but it's something I'm interested in doing, and I have to wonder if it will really affect me that much, as, to this point, my experiences with deliriants have been comparatively (to most people's experiences) unproductive in the way of scary, negative trips. I have had scarcely anything but good results with nutmeg and diphenhydramine. I would really personally be interested in experiencing a real delirium which is supposed to be produced by Datura and similar deliriants. I think that seeing different perspectives and emotions is really a good way to understand and appreciate the world around us, even if those states of mind are overwhelmingly negative in that moment. The interpretations we apply to them are separate from the experiences themselves, and they do not always have to be as negative.

* this statement, while intended to be derogatory in light of the negative stigma attached to the use of dxm, is really only derogatory because of how utterly insulting an understatement it is. in my experience, you get "high" with something like weed. dxm, on the other hand, is a total mindfuck.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

kayditty (641006) | about 5 years ago | (#28490767)

two things I should add: the site I mentioned is bouncing bear botanicals [bouncingbe...nicals.com] . and the reason I recommend against using Delsym for the novice dxm user is because the time release can make things last a really long time, with a potentially unpleasant afterglow. apart from that, Delsym has been great for me. use with caution.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

vorpal22 (114901) | about 5 years ago | (#28491013)

Thanks for the detailed reply! I certainly concur with all the suggestions you provide regarding dextromethorphan, and I should have mentioned the dangers of taking it mixed with other products (particularly acetaminophen). I myself have used DXM probably around 200-300 times, although my experience is very noncharacteristic because I am one of the unfortunate few that is CYP4502D6 deficient, so I don't get very much at all in the way of dextrorphan metabolization and thus my trips are dramatically different than a normal metabolizer. Back when I was a user (my last time was 1999), I could achieve a profound experience from 300 mg, and the one time I stupidly tried 830 mg was such a wicked mindfuck that I can say I have not been the same person since. When I do use, I am high for an uncomfortably long period of time (generally in the ballpark of 25-30 hours), which was what finally led me to stop: I don't enjoy being high for that long. I would probably use it again if my trip lasted the typical four to six hours. I must say, however, that I miss DXM hangovers: I found them to be an utter delight, and better than the drug itself. I've never experienced such energy and lucidity. I used to jog regularly, and on a DXM hangover, I never got fatigued. I eventually had to stop my jog because to continue would be absurd.

I, too, believe that I reached plateau sigma once, and it was extremely uncomfortable. I would not care to repeat the experience.

DXM, as others I have spoken to have stated, is pretty much exactly what I imagined drugs to be like prior to having tried any of them.

As for deleriants, my only experience is with diphenhydramine. Before I begin, you mention 500 mg as a "high" dose; it's my understanding, I think, that 500 mg is a fairly standard recreational dose, with some people going as high as 1000 mg. I believe I took about 400 mg when I tried it, while drunk (it seemed like a good idea at the time - admittedly, it was dumb as hell), and I don't recall a single detail of the experience. I awoke the next day to find a note on the floor next to my bed with absolute gibberish on it, thus leading me to believe that I had had at least something of an interesting time.

I suspect that you would be fine with tropanes. It's my understanding that they're extremely similar in action to diphenhydramine / dimenhydrinate, so I don't think that you would have much over which to worry. I love daturas and brugmansias, but I find that they do have a "dark presence" to them, as ridiculous as that sounds, and they creep me out. I have certainly never eaten any part of one.

No experiences with nutmeg here; I've just heard too many negative things about it on Erowid and elsewhere. I think it's fantastic that you have had good success with it. I personally would recommend one to try other substances first and proceed with caution with regards to nutmeg.

Nitrous was definitely the most life-changing drug for me. I have used it over 700 times, typically five whippets at a time, and have had profoundly mind-altering experiences with it, especially in conjunction with marijuana or oxycodone. I used to be a Christian, but I'm now a Taoist because of nitrous. I did have a nitrous-pot induced traumatic experience of severe nihilism on my 25th birthday that led to me being emotionally dysfunctional for about three days and gradually returning to normal over the course of several months. I posted a retrospective of my nitrous use on Erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=31722 [erowid.org]

The best way to use whippets is to acquire a cracker, which breaks them open, and then release the gas into a balloon to allow it to warm up. It is extremely dangerous to inhale directly from the whippets and will cause frostbite and possibly death.

I think I'm largely done with drugs. Right now, due to a chronic health condition that has left me in significant amounts of pain, I'm dealing with an extremely irritating oxycodone addiction that I am struggling to break as I would rather tolerate the pain than the opioid addiction, which has been quite debilitating and really takes a toll on one's self confidence. I've managed to wean myself from 200 mg / day to 20 mg / day over the course of two weeks, and I'm hoping to discontinue within another week. Fast, yes, but I want this off my back for good. I have cold-turkey quit cigarettes (approx 15 a day for four years) and alcohol (70 drinks a week for three years), and this is by far the hardest thing I've ever done, although self-hypnosis, vast amounts of intense cardio exercise, benzodiazepines, and propranolol have been an utter godsend.

While I may seem like I've used a lot of drugs, I tend to find it incredibly difficult to get addicted to anything. For example, I have been prescribed daily alprazolam (Xanax) for 10 years, and while I have used it recreationally on occasion, I have never found myself unable to go without it, even for weeks at a time. (Note: I typically don't take it daily, or if I do, only for a few months at a time and then find it no problem to discontinue.) Not so with oxycodone: right from the get-go I knew I was treading dangerous waters and it took very little time to develop a full blown addiction with patterns of abuse. Essentially, within two weeks oxycodone occupied 75% of my waking thoughts. Going around having your brain shouting, "Oxy!" over and over again and obsessing about the drug is a real annoyance and waste of time at best and a huge source of anxiety at worst.

The physical component of the addiction is astoundingly strong: just reading about those wallabies and their access to opium poppies made my saliva production increase dramatically, no joke. I hope the wallabies know what they're getting into. Opiates are very useful drugs, but I underestimated their addictive potential; they (at least for me) are far worse than nicotine.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

kayditty (641006) | about 5 years ago | (#28491489)

thanks for your reply as well; it was informative and helpful. my first experience with any sort of recreational drug began only two years ago, so I'm much more of a novice than you, at least in terms of quantity of exposure. I may be CYP2D6 deficient myself. I am not sure. The first two times I took dxm in the forms of 6oz Vicks Formula 44, containing dxm HBr as the only active ingredient. this trip was pretty intense, I thought, but it was manageable, and it lasted maybe 8 hours, with only a lingering afterglow which persisted for perhaps the next day. The second time I tried it, I used the exact same product and dosage (although I eyeballed it since the store only had 4oz bottles of Vicks), but the trip kept getting more and more intensive even 7 hours in. This time I had rather unwisely eaten not long before dosing, so I figured that to be the culprit, particularly when I felt almost immediately better after a violent bout of vomiting during the trip. That was not fun.

My third trip was on 420mg from Delsym (eyeballed to slightly less than full in 70mL measuring cup). I mixed 100mg diphenhydramine close to or after reaching the second plateau, about an hour and a half to two hours in. This was a very pleasant experience and did not seem to last particularly long. I don't recall exactly how long it was, but it was perhaps around 6 hours, and there was really no unpleasant hangover to note.

The fourth trip, just 5 days exactly (within 20 minutes) from me typing this, I took roughly 600mg, eyeballing the 70mL measuring cup plus half again. This was also a very pleasant experience. I stopped tripping, amazingly, at around the 4 hour mark. But there was an afterglow that persisted the full 24 hours before I decided to dose again. This is when I had the experience I detailed in my last post. I may not have actually reached plateau sigma, since Wikipedia and the DXM FAQ claim that it's achieved by dosing every 3 hours or so at 2.5-7.5mg/kg. If I were enzyme deficient, though, and seeing that the dxm was time release, the necessary procedure may be entirely less involving for me. As I was still feeling the dxm 24 hours later, there must've been a substantial amount being released into my system, and to mix that with another 300mg-400mg, also time release, produced a pretty profound effect, particularly for my body weight of a little under 150lb or almost 70kg. This amounts to up to a gram in my system at one point, or nearly 15mg/kg, which ought to be sufficient for reaching 4th plateau, or at least very high 3rd plateau.

Since that experience, I've had some problems. I may have had serotonin syndrome. I don't know. I got similar problems as I did with my second trip on dxm HBr, having really bad gas, although I was never nauseous and did not throw up. But immediately after coming up, I felt very agitated and anxious, my heart rate was high, my chest was constricted (presumably from gas, but I don't know), and my extremities went cold/numb. My blood pressure, recorded the next morning, still high, was 154/110. It is normally around 110/60, I think, or it used to be. I since measured it coming down at 128/86. It has, as I mentioned, been 4 days almost exactly since the writing of this post, and I'm still not 100%. At the 3 day mark, I was still considerably agitated. So perhaps I also am deficient. Needless to say, though, it was unwise to take so much time release dxm within a one week period.

I also enjoy jogging, though I'm pretty horrible at it. I've tried on diphenhydramine, which seems to make it enjoyably and fairly more effortless than usual, which is kind of counterintuitive being that diphenhydramine makes me really lazy, but that's what happens. I have thought about doing it on dxm. The night I took 420mg, I tried, but I started a little early, because I had barely reached the first plateau. My motor coordination at that point was pretty absurdly bad, and I was also paranoid of my surroundings, because it was abot 10PM (or 22 if you prefer) at night. Some dude came up behind me on a bicycle once and I jerked back, scared shitless. That was fun. I've heard of people being energetic on dxm before, and it really sounds fun. It makes a little sense, being that dxm numbs you and makes you feel really tall/small/light/whatever. I tried jogging outside my house a little bit in my past two trips just for the hell of it, and I really felt like a deer or a gazelle or something to that effect. I'm sure trying a real jog would be amazing, so I will definitely give it a go some time in the future. Thanks for the insight.

I don't necessarily mean to imply that 500mg is the most insane does ever, but it is a pretty good deal of dph. Many people who report taking 400-500mg mention profound hallucinations and confusion. For me, 500mg does about as much as 100, but it makes me significantly more tired, though I can manage rather easily to avoid getting too sleepy. So I'm trying to suggest that my tolerance seems to be pretty high, particlarly when you consider, again, that I'm a little less than 70kg. The people taking a gram are insane, and probably a bit bigger, too. But I also take a lot of reports on sites like erowid with a grain of salt. It's a good resource, and it's at least a great deal better than a lot of internet sites (god knows youtube comments are great for getting information about drgs; "LOL U ONLY TOOK 500MG DXM THAT ISNT ENOUGH TO TRIP I TOOK 1500MG U PUSSY").

I've also taken diph with alcohol, and it wasn't a bad idea at all for me. 100mg turned 4 beers into 8, roughly.. though I was also pounding the beers, drinking them in 20-30 minutes, because I really am not fond of the taste at all. It got me pretty drunk (not falling down drunk or anything, though). It's something I plan on doing again some time.

I'm sorry to hear about your addiction and your health problems. I've yet to become addicted to anything myself, although I think I may have also tasted the lure of opioids/opiates once when I was taking hydrocodone for a tooth/gum problem. At that point I was pretty much against drug use for myself (though I'm a proponent of personal responsibility and had nothing against anyone else deciding for themselves), and was only taking them for medicinal purposes, but I soon started taking them just for the hell of it without even really thinking about it. I only did it for a few days, though, and was able to quit without any problems. But if I had kept doing it for a week or two, who knows what would have happened. I don't know if hydrocodone is anywhere near as addictive as oxycodone, though.

It does, to me, sound like you've used a lot of drugs, because you have, comparatively. I'm a late starter. Fortunately, I've never used cigarettes or tobacco and never have any intention of doing so; they are utterly repulsive to me, and I don't really see any positive cost/benefit correlation. Things that are prohibitively addictive or nasty like that are right out. I've mostly been interested in psychedelics and dissociatives, though I'm pretty open to the idea of opiates/analgesics as well. Euphoria is nice. I would like to try this Kava, but I'm leery of all these "legal high" websites, and, from your descriptions, it doesn't sound like a really intense experience. But I'm going to look into it further. And San Pedro is something I'm interested in as well, but I'm too lazy to go through with all the preparations, so easy-outs like Kava are more appealing to me at the moment. Perhaps I could just eat San Pedro buttons, though. I don't really know much about it.

I'm definitely going to look into whippits more.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

vertinox (846076) | about 5 years ago | (#28487001)

And why the hell didn't I give marijuana a try when I was in college? What the hell was I so scared of? Of course, now I'm old, and I don't have access to pot, so I can't try it.

You could take a trip to a nation that has legalized/decriminalized it.

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28489949)

Take a trip to San Francisco. Goto the Haight-Ashberry district, particularly goto the Golden Gate Park entrance on Haight street. Enter Golden Gate park and at least 5 guys will yell out 'nugs' before you get 10 feet into the park.

Easiest hookup ever. Careful though that stuff is potent. If you need something to smoke out of, just wander around Haight-Ashberry, you'll find a million Head shops (also don't worry that much about smoking on the street or in the park, just try to keep a low profile)

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

Gravedigger3 (888675) | about 5 years ago | (#28487367)

I'll sell you some. Email me. Am i kidding? You'll just have to find out.

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28488263)

News at 10:

Online Technology Forum a Front for Drug Smuggling and Dealing

as if Slashdot wasn't reputable enough.

Re:If there animals are getting high (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 years ago | (#28489199)

Wanting to feel good is what is being desired.

"now I'm old, and I don't have access to pot, so I can't try it."
haha. Yes, once your over 30 there is no way to get pot~

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28490327)

ask a rasta.
be friendly. be brotherly
dig their music.

Re:If there animals are getting high (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28490353)

haha. Yes, once your over 30 there is no way to get pot~

do you have stairs in your house?

Wrong site? (2, Insightful)

adosch (1397357) | about 5 years ago | (#28484513)

Was this suppose to be a post on 'The Onion' ? Maybe an editor was 'high' and posted on the wrong site...

Why do I get this scary image......... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28484571)

of Pauly Shore in a Kangaroo suit?

Re:Why do I get this scary image......... (1)

joelmax (1445613) | about 5 years ago | (#28484901)

That is a scary image!

idle? (1)

v1 (525388) | about 5 years ago | (#28484587)

This would make a good idle story rather than the 5 that have been stuck on idle off to the right for the last month.

That being said, that's pretty hilarious. Easy to find videos on youtube of various wild animals getting stoned or usually drunk. Fermented fruit seems to be popular that way. The drunk elephants are a riot!

Re:idle? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#28485815)

Sure, it's all fun and game 'til one is coming your way. Ever tried to dodge a staggering elefant?

Stuff that matters (0, Troll)

alain_delon (1361705) | about 5 years ago | (#28484599)

Are we just reposting stories from FARK and a day late? How is this news for nerds or stuff that matters.

Re:Stuff that matters (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | about 5 years ago | (#28484811)

/. is trying to regain standing, maybe become as relevant as fark so far as news is concerned. Sad state of affairs, really - but they brought it on themselves.

Invader Zim had this theory as well. (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | about 5 years ago | (#28484619)

Only it was drunk cows rolling around in fields to make circles in grass.

Re:Invader Zim had this theory as well. (1)

mikiN (75494) | about 5 years ago | (#28486775)

Cowcircles, not cropcircles?

Kangaroos are aliens? (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | about 5 years ago | (#28484637)

This explains why kangaroos look so weird. They're aliens!

Re:Kangaroos are aliens? (1)

Krneki (1192201) | about 5 years ago | (#28485179)

Or maybe the drugs are aliens. Makes some sense since you are more likely to see Jesus while stoned. :)

Re:Kangaroos are aliens? (1)

Ractive (679038) | about 5 years ago | (#28486853)

I for one welcome our new marsupial overlords

Re:Kangaroos are aliens? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28491237)

Meet Skizz. [fantasticfiction.co.uk]

Pun (1)

WarwickRyan (780794) | about 5 years ago | (#28484641)

I've had to explain this to my colleagues, but the Australian Rugby Union team's nickname is the "Wallabies". So the article has an delicious pun ;-)

Re:Pun (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 years ago | (#28489225)

"Australian Rugby Union team's nickname is the "Wallabies"."
that explains some of the comments I read on the site that reported it.

Wrong section. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28484647)

This should be in "Idle" so we can all ignore it.

Kangaroos = Aliens (1)

Blixinator (1585261) | about 5 years ago | (#28484655)

You know that part in Alien when the alien emerges from the guy's stomach? Well, we all know that kangaroos keep their young in pouches near the stomach. Coincidence? I think not.

Where's the picture of the circles? (4, Insightful)

DigitalReverend (901909) | about 5 years ago | (#28485069)

Screw having a picture of the animal, I want to see the crop circles.

Re:Where's the picture of the circles? (1)

Krneki (1192201) | about 5 years ago | (#28485191)

How about a picture of the kangaroos while enjoining drugs? :)

Re:Where's the picture of the circles? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 years ago | (#28485841)

The same question popped into my head that I usually get when I think of pron:

What do I get out of the kangaroo enjoying it?

Re:Where's the picture of the circles? (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about 5 years ago | (#28493369)

What do I get out of the kangaroo enjoying it?

A freezer full of kangaroo steak. I've eaten Kangaroo and it's absolutely delicious, very lean and tender. Who would have thought that Australia's national symbol would taste so good. I can only imagine that because a wallaby is a smaller animal that it's probably pretty tasty to.

Funny headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28486021)

This is one of the funniest headlines in a while, just reading it conjured up images of a bunch of stoned hyperactive wallabies going 'dude, look how high I can jump'.. 'wow dude, that's totally cool' .. 'man, we should totally run around in circles'

It's the kangaroos (1)

EvilToiletPaper (1226390) | about 5 years ago | (#28486133)

It's the Kangaroos, kangaroos are running a major drug racket. They hooked the wallabies onto the stuff and when they couldn't find their regular dealer, the wallabies went berserk in an opium field.

The Australian police should check kangaroo pouches for their stash. I heard they train joeys to separate and bag the opium while in their mother's pouches. The joeys can also make count money and change, there's some grainy footage on youtube of a wallaby putting a fistful of money in a kangaroo's pouch and coming out with a plastic baggie, the kangaroo was looking the other way. Last I heard the 'Kangaroo boxer' mafia was in a territory feud with the 'Bloody Dingo' gang.

Aliens coming to earth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28486483)

Clearly this proves my hypothesis that aliens are coming to earth to get high on our corn and wheat crops...

Everyone knows that aliens get high off chlorophyll...

Is it even true? (1)

ddubbleya (899847) | about 5 years ago | (#28486817)

You couldn't possibly head to the Home Depot gardening section to purchase a narcotic, could you? I have a friend that claims to get high from smoking or making tea out of poppies seeds from Home Depot. I don't believe him.

Re:Is it even true? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28487479)

I've been reliably informed (my mother told me) that there are multiple types of poppies, and only a few of them have halucinagenic properties.

The ones witht the prettiest flowers don't have any opium in them, sorry.

Re:Is it even true? (1)

OrigamiMarie (1501451) | about 5 years ago | (#28487807)

It's not the seeds. It's some sort of residue you get off the leaves. Also, (a) I can't imagine a small patch of live plants would be enough for a high and (b) it might only be a particular variety -- or only potent enough to matter in a particular variety. So probably the stuff you can grow from seeds packets won't do it for you either.

Apparently, some sort of tracer chemical does appear in the seeds, thus the questions about poppyseed consumption when you take a drug test. Except of course that people now know to just answer yes to that question, so it became moot and was removed.

Re:Is it even true? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 5 years ago | (#28489063)

When I was fifteen I found my younger brother in the back yard with a friend smoking grass. Not marijuana, actual grass from the yard.

They thought they were getting high, but I don't think so.

Re:Is it even true? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 years ago | (#28490319)

When I was in HS a freind of mine sold a younger kid a bag of "magic" mushrooms he bought at the supermarket.

Re:Is it even true? (1)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#28489773)

Okay:

1) Eat a banana, dont throw out the skin.

2) Peel the fibers under the inner part of the skin

3) Sun dry them

4) You can get high as fuck smoking that

5) Your brain is now mush, but my point is proven.

Go to your HEB, buy some nutmeg (indian NUTS), grind 7 grams of them, eat that, youll be seeing green lizards turning into cowgirl cheerleaders for a while and then, of course, your brain will be mush, but my point will be proven.

There are many, many ways to get high legally, although this "highs" might not be as comfortable as the more, say, traditional ones.

Re:Is it even true? (1)

linuxrocks123 (905424) | about 5 years ago | (#28497061)

I don't believe you about the banana peels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananadine [wikipedia.org]

Re:Is it even true? (1)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#28514055)

Well...

My "source" is the mother of a guy that did get high as fuck with whatever he could find in jail...

I feel sorry for them... (0)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | about 5 years ago | (#28486987)

After seeing what that stuff does to people, I feel sad that this is happening naturally in the animal kingdom...
I am sure it is ok to a certain extent, sort of like mother nature taking care of the eliminating the weak...
I had a brother hooked on this stuff, it ain't pretty! I will never look at another kangaroo the same again!

Re:I feel sorry for them... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 5 years ago | (#28489097)

Some kangaroos get really big, like three meters tall and as strong as a lion. I have been close to animals like that in the bush and it is safe as long as you leave them alone. But I wouldn't like to find out too late that the animal was high.

This makes it official (1)

chicago_scott (458445) | about 5 years ago | (#28487067)

The War on Drugs has been lost. Time to move on.

Here's the facts... (5, Informative)

WeirdJohn (1170585) | about 5 years ago | (#28487545)

There is a problem with wallabies eating poppy crops in Tasmania. The real story is that the plants are very immature and there is no alkaloid in them. There are circular patches being made in the crops, but this is due to the normal feeding behaviour of wallabies and not because they are bouncing around in circles stoned. No wallabies are falling to the ground stoned. The farmers are setting up patches of preferred feed plants outside the poppy fields to prevent it happening in the future, as Tasmania is one of the leading exporters of opium for medical use, and they want to diminish the impact on revenue.

Re:Here's the facts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28490081)

Bullshit. The plants do have alkaloid although it is in smaller quantities than right after blooming. If it had been you eating the plants, you wouldn't be hopping much.
I am guessing the Wallabies are just resistant(or addicted) to it.

Seedlings are the only stage where alkaloid content is negligible. You can eat them safely, no bitter taste == no significant amount of alkaloids(Although you would probably still turn out positive for morphine in tests).

After that it is all relative to the plant mass you ingest which I guess it is a lot in the case of Herbivore animals.

Cannabinoid receptors in humans (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28488757)

Did you know the human brain contains receptors just for cannabinoids, eg some of the major compounds in cannabis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

How did we get those? The only logical explanation is that human beings and our ancestors (down to the monkeys and all the animals before that) have been using marijuana for so long that it literally resulted human evolution and cannabinoids becoming part of our dna.

This is why the prohibition of marjuana will never work, the plant existing long before anything remotely homo sapien existed, and fits in so well with our biology that its one of the only substances which its possible to not consume enough to kill you (you can even die off drinking too much water).

You almost have to wonder if everyone just did what the potheads said and "chill and hit this", if people would generally be happier as a lacking component of our brain chemistry would be satisfied (besides as a result the euphoria directly caused by the substance). Obviously so long as people didn't sink into the stoner stereotype, burning out and not doing anything with their lives, but contrary to what the media and our government wants you to think, most people who tried, or every regularly use cannabis, are far from losers (as evident by the fact that nearly half the world has used cannabis at one point).

Re:Cannabinoid receptors in humans (1)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#28489807)

WOA

Half of america is NOT half the world.

Just that.

On the other points... hum... im on your side, but your rant is a bit misguided.

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