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Pepcom Show Touts 720p Zune, New NVIDIA Toys, And Phones Galore

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the wait-the-zune-isn't-dead dept.

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MojoKid writes "Recently, at the Pepcom Digital Experience show in New York, NVIDIA demonstrated the capabilities of the upcoming Lenovo S12 netbook, which features a single-core Atom CPU and an NVIDIA ION graphics processor. However, probably more interesting to some, NVIDIA was also showing off its new Tegra system-on-a-chip CPU, which will be powering the recently-announced Zune HD portable media player. The device was being demonstrated in a netbook form-factor and was streaming full quality 720p HD video over HDMI. On the networking front, Belkin was displaying its Gigabit Powerline HD Starter Kit — a speedy alternative to wireless networking."

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Crashes Firefox (2, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488359)

I just had my Firefox taken down 5 times in a row the second I opened the link. I get the HTML but once it starts rendering something Firefox 3.0.11 goes kaplut.

Be warned.

Re:Crashes Firefox (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488421)

I've got a non-resumable multi-gigabyte download at 85% completion here... So thanks.

Re:Crashes Firefox (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488505)

I've got a non-resumable multi-gigabyte download at 85% completion here... So thanks.

I hope your porn downloads turn out okay

Re:Crashes Firefox (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28490893)

I've got a non-resumable multi-gigabyte download at 85% completion here... So thanks.

PROTIP: Run your big downloads in Wget, not your web browser.

Re:Crashes Firefox (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488455)

works fine for me.. but of course i use ad block (the old one that really removes content instead of just hiding it)
Also, i still use firefox 2.

But back to the main article, WHEN will they ever make an affordable power over ethernet solution? Why do you have to pay a minimum of $80+ for a single end point??

Re:Crashes Firefox (0, Offtopic)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488499)

I've heard some terrible things about powerline ethernet (note that power over ethernet is a totally different thing than what I think you are talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PoE [wikipedia.org] ) such as the systems running hot, dropping connections and base on the reviews I've read on newegg, any of the systems less than $120 fail within a year.

Re:Crashes Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488983)

Given that I have a set of airlink adapters that are PoE, and I've had them running between 6 months and a year now as my primary link to my outbound internet connection, I can tell you that while it may be possible they'll fail within a year, mine haven't, and have been under decently active load that entire time, including brownouts, blackouts, and various other things (and since they communicate via the powerline you can't run 'em through a UPS, heh.)

Also: They only cost me 35 bucks apiece. Maybe the problem is buying name brand nowadays....

Re:Crashes Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28536449)

Modded off-topic? Really, guys?

Anyway, my first and only powerline ethernet set-up is still going strong--slow, since it is first-gen, but strong.

They do run hot, but with adequate ventilation (at worst, a $5 fan): no worries. Unlike the half-dozen wireless rigs which have completely failed in the same time frame, and never really worked right.

HomePlug works.

Re:Crashes Firefox (1)

an unsound mind (1419599) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488943)

It's the embedded Viddler video.

They cause that sometimes, especially if you navigate away before the video has fully loaded.

Re:Crashes Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28489161)

I just had my Firefox taken down 5 times in a row the second I opened the link. I get the HTML but once it starts rendering something Firefox 3.0.11 goes kaplut.

Be warned.

Umm, no it didn't...

Re:Crashes Firefox (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28503335)

The word you were searching, is "kaputt [wiktionary.org] ".

frst p0st fail (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488369)

http://www.pornfail.com [pornfail.com]

faayel

Zune! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488403)

Anytime I read the word Zune, I just laugh... is that just me?

Re:Zune! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488909)

yes, it's you. I cry every time I hear "Zune"...

Re:Zune! (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489335)

I bought a 30 gig Zune on Woot for about 70 bucks. It's perfect for my needs. Teamed up with Any DVD Converter Pro, I can watch all kinds of video, including streaming from the web (not live, of course).

Plus, it cost so little I won't feel so horrible if I lose or break it. Oh, it displays video really nicely and can output video from the earphone jack like an iPod.

The sound quality seems a little better than my old 30 gig iPod, and the video display is definitely nicer.

My biggest complaint is that I can't run Rockbox on it.

Re:Zune! (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489443)

It outputs video over the earphone jack?!? So the zune uses a sound out port for a video out port as well?

That seems wrong. I have to go look up the specs on a zune now. I try never to go look at microsoft's website.

Re:Zune! (1)

Carlosos (1342945) | more than 5 years ago | (#28490441)

A lot of video cameras have that feature too. For some reason Apple stopped supporting that after the 5.5G of the ipod and the newer ipods need those special apple cables instead of the standard 3.5mm to RCA cable.

Re:Zune! (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#28491519)

Welcome to, uh, 2006? I can't remember when I got my 5(.0)g iPod but it's been a pretty common feature for quite some time now. Maybe even 2005 it's hard to remember back that far.

Re:Zune! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28497495)

The iPod Photos (first with color screens) could do this.

Re:Zune! (1)

yuriyg (926419) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488911)

Anytime I read the word Zune, I just laugh... is that just me?

Yes, it's just you. Although the previous versions were not up with the competition, I'm excited to hear about the new versions. First of all it might be better than what's on the market. And even if it's not, it might try to compete on the price, which will, hopefully, drive the prices down.

Re:Zune! (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489117)

The problem is that it almost certainly includes onerous DRM, which will end up biting a lot of the users in the end. Microsoft has shown that they don't care about their customers by turning off Plays for Sure servers before. I'm not inclined to trust them.

Re:Zune! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28489263)

Devil's advocate:

If you don't want DRM tracks, you don't need to buy them from the Zune Marketplace.

For non-DRM tracks, be it MP3s, WMAs, or iTunes Plus tracks that are not FairPlay protected, the Zune can play them, as well as allow for copying from the Zune to a PC (which iPods don't do by default in iTunes.) The Zune by itself does not add any restrictions of copy protections, unless one is mentioning the "squirting" feature of sharing tracks between Zunes via wireless.

All and all, the Zune is a quality MP3 player. Its one of the few that offers models with more than 100GB of capacity, and its sound quality is quite decent.

Microsoft has also done a great job supporting the Zune, with multiple flash upgrades for the older models to support new features, including better wireless syncing.

Of course, there are other decent MP3 players, but the Zune is as good as anything out on the market and definitely worth a look.

Re:Zune! (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489347)

I didn't have any problem loading all my own ripped mp3 files onto my Zune. Who would want to use any of the big online music stores anyway?

Re:Zune! (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28490921)

Who would want to use any of the big online music stores anyway?

On the other hand, who would want to pay $14.99 plus shipping and tax for one or two songs from an album?

Re:Zune! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488927)

You are not alone.

Re:Zune! (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489155)

New tag: lolzune

It might be something someday, but as of today, I think it's a punchline.

Re:Zune! (1)

Mark_in_Brazil (537925) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489857)

New tag: lolzune

I prefer to tag stories about Microsoft's iPod wannabe with "zurd"

YMMV.

It might be something someday, but as of today, I think it's a punchline.

I agree that it might be something someday. Specifically, I think it's likely to be a discontinued product. And maybe even more of a punchline, like "Edsel" was for so many years.

Re:Zune! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28490417)

Here's a good punchline for you. First of all, the symbol for the Zune looks quite reminiscent of an asshole. Go ahead, look. Now, when when you physically turn the word zune upside down, it looks kind of like the word anus. And to really drive it home, the device's most touted feature is the ability to "squirt" media to other zunes. Squirt of course being a euphemism for streaming anal excretions.

You can't make this shit up.

Re:Zune! (1)

Mark_in_Brazil (537925) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489817)

Because of the brilliant decision to make the initial Microsoft iPod wannabe available in... brown, I've never been able to call it or even think of it as anything but "Zurd."

Re:Zune! (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28503463)

I, on the other hand, vomit a little. It really is the Goatse of words.

The Seagate BlackArmor NAS looks interesting (2, Informative)

mlts (1038732) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488409)

I like the fact that Seagate is expanding its line of hardware AES hard disks. For backups (Time Machine, the included SafetyDrill software, Retrospect, Windows's backup utilities) it should provide decent protection of data in case of physical theft.

For a household or SMB, having the ability to install some "fire and forget" backup software that copies to a hard disk that has hardware AES encryption mitigates a lot of security risks. For larger businesses, it allows external drives to be repurposed from division to division just by telling the drive to do a secure erase (which erases the old AES keys making it well nigh impossible to recover the data.)

Re:The Seagate BlackArmor NAS looks interesting (0, Offtopic)

Hamilton Publius (909539) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488479)

Steve Fielding recently asked the Obama administration to reassure him on the science of man-made global warming. When the administration proved unhelpful, Mr. Fielding decided to vote against climate-change legislation.

If you haven't heard of this politician, it's because he's a member of the Australian Senate. As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to pass a climate-change bill, the Australian Parliament is preparing to kill its own country's carbon-emissions scheme. Why? A growing number of Australian politicians, scientists and citizens once again doubt the science of human-caused global warming.

Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as "deniers." The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country's new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country's weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)

The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.

Credit for Australia's own era of renewed enlightenment goes to Dr. Ian Plimer, a well-known Australian geologist. Earlier this year he published "Heaven and Earth," a damning critique of the "evidence" underpinning man-made global warming. The book is already in its fifth printing. So compelling is it that Paul Sheehan, a noted Australian columnist -- and ardent global warming believer -- in April humbly pronounced it "an evidence-based attack on conformity and orthodoxy, including my own, and a reminder to respect informed dissent and beware of ideology subverting evidence." Australian polls have shown a sharp uptick in public skepticism; the press is back to questioning scientific dogma; blogs are having a field day.

The rise in skepticism also came as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, elected like Mr. Obama on promises to combat global warming, was attempting his own emissions-reduction scheme. His administration was forced to delay the implementation of the program until at least 2011, just to get the legislation through Australia's House. The Senate was not so easily swayed.

Mr. Fielding, a crucial vote on the bill, was so alarmed by the renewed science debate that he made a fact-finding trip to the U.S., attending the Heartland Institute's annual conference for climate skeptics. He also visited with Joseph Aldy, Mr. Obama's special assistant on energy and the environment, where he challenged the Obama team to address his doubts. They apparently didn't.

This week Mr. Fielding issued a statement: He would not be voting for the bill. He would not risk job losses on "unconvincing green science." The bill is set to founder as the Australian parliament breaks for the winter.

Republicans in the U.S. have, in recent years, turned ever more to the cost arguments against climate legislation. That's made sense in light of the economic crisis. If Speaker Nancy Pelosi fails to push through her bill, it will be because rural, Slashdot, and Blue Dog Democrats fret about the economic ramifications. Yet if the rest of the world is any indication, now might be the time for U.S. politicians to re-engage on the science. One thing for sure: They won't be alone.

Re:The Seagate BlackArmor NAS looks interesting (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489385)

My favorite part of the video in the article (don't go there unless you're running Adblock Plus) is when the Kyocera lady brags about how their new phone has a dedicated music player with "8 megabytes of storage".

You could maybe fit 3 mp3s on there, as long as you stick to 48 bit.

Chiptunes don't take much space (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28491017)

the Kyocera lady brags about how their new phone has a dedicated music player with "8 megabytes of storage".

Which is actually quite a bit if you listen to SID or NSF chiptunes or tracker files in an 8-bit style. For example:

It's too bad the official firmware of most popular portable music players can't play chiptune formats or tracker formats.

Re:Chiptunes don't take much space (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28493775)

Hey, tepples, thanks for these links. I've always had a soft spot for 8-bit.

I'm not familiar with your expression "tracker files" though. Do you know where this name comes from and can you explain it, please?

Re:Chiptunes don't take much space (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28493877)

Never mind. You must mean files from tracker software. Sorry, it's early.

Re:Chiptunes don't take much space (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28494189)

Tracker files: MODs. Intuitracker (.it), Fasttracker (forget), Screamtracker (.s3m)
e.g. Chiptunes with samples.

Re:The Seagate BlackArmor NAS looks interesting (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28503367)

How does it handle data errors? You know. That kind that needs scrubbing?
And: Can you define your own key? Preferably a keyfile on a destructible USB stick. (In case where the data is more important than you, so they can't torture it out of you.)

Piss off (-1, Troll)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488523)

Streaming full quality 720p over hdmi ? coz we all have hdmi connections over the net, and 720p is really full quality - like fuck !
Anything else you have to say ? This cream reduces the appearance of fine lines - sucker !

The Zune HD! Wow! (2, Insightful)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488543)

The Zune HD features 720p on a tiny, tiny, screen...or at home, where I can watch TV on a computer, console, or cable box. Not to mention, I'm sure the "720p" is compressed to shit just like all the movies on Xbox Live (and probably PSN for that matter). I guess this will make the Zune more attractive to a few people, but I'm not sold. I'd rather they took it more in the direction of a portable console, but I guess they are too chicken to fight Nintendo.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (4, Insightful)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488627)

Well, given that the Zune display is expected (as MS hasn't announced anything) to still be sub-standard definition, there isn't much point to having 720p video on the device UNLESS you also commonly carry around a dock so you can connect the Zune to another display that IS 720p.

Otherwise, it would be better for the video to be encoded at the resolution of the Zune's display.

Getting on my Apple soapbox now, this really looks like a 'bullet-point' type feature, like FM-radio, or that bizarre wireless-sync feature MS touted with the last version of the Zune (where they conveniently failed to mention that the Zune still had to be physically plugged into a power source to sync, making the feature at best 'remote' sync and not wireless sync at all). This kind of marketing has been shown over the last 5 years to be completely ineffective against the iPod.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (3, Informative)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488771)

>where they conveniently failed to mention that the Zune still had to be physically plugged into a power source to sync

Thats not true. [zune.net] It wont sync automatically on battery power, but it syncs fine if you do a manual sync. You dont want it syncing every few hours only to pick it up a couple of days later and have the battery dead.

>This kind of marketing has been shown over the last 5 years to be completely ineffective against the iPod.

To be fair, the amazing Italian place near me cant compete with McDonalds. Popularity doesnt necessarily translate into quality. Consider how one of the most popular apps for the iphone/ipod is the fart simulator and, well, things arent so cut and dried. Those who side soley with popularity really arent convincing.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488873)

"Consider how one of the most popular apps for the iphone/ipod is the fart simulator and, well, things arent so cut and dried."

Exactly. But can you get a fart application for the Zune?

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489435)

Interesting that Apple vetted the fart app but not the Kama Sutra.

I'm not saying it says anything about the sexual preference of Apple users, though. Absolutely not. I can unequivocally say that it doesn't have to do with the sexual preference of Apple users. It would be silly to say that.

Silly, I tell you.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489203)

The head of the amazing Italian place would probably trade place with the head of McDonalds in a heartbeat.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489589)

The head of the amazing Italian place would probably trade place with the head of McDonalds in a heartbeat.

So, the head of the company making the Zune would trade places with the head of the company making of the iPod in a heartbeat.
By similar reasoning, the head of the company making OSX would trade places with the head of the company making Windows in a heartbeat.

Thus Microsoft and Apple get into an infinite loop of Steve-swapping.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488977)

Your wrong on the wireless sync comment.

Zune can be sync'd wireless by selecting it from a menu option or will automatically sync when docked after 1 minute of inactivity.

For example, I have a Zune FM Transmitter in my car that also charges the device. When I pull into the driveway, the Zune sync's automatically to update my playlists and podcasts.

You can also download directly from the Zune Marketplace wirelessly.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (2, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488787)

The Zune HD features 720p on a tiny, tiny, screen...or at home, where I can watch TV on a computer, console, or cable box. Not to mention, I'm sure the "720p" is compressed to shit just like all the movies on Xbox Live (and probably PSN for that matter). I guess this will make the Zune more attractive to a few people, but I'm not sold. I'd rather they took it more in the direction of a portable console, but I guess they are too chicken to fight Nintendo.

The Zune HD's screen isn't HD - it's 480x272. The "HD" just indicates the device is capable of driving an HD display, such as a 720P television.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488893)

While it could be cool to have one file that you can "play everywhere",
doing this with 720p content at this point is impractical. You will
waste space on your PMP and gut your effective storage space.

OTOH, doing this with just quality 480p content would be a nice improvement over previous devices.

"drag drop and play" handily beats "pander to an ipod's limits".

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28489379)

You should see this 720p capability as more options being open to you instead of "OMG, I'll have to encode everything to 720p now, what a waste!" I have plenty of videos in 720p and having a Zune over an iPod would save a few hours of conversion when I bring those videos to a friend's house for showing. And no, not everyone has an HTPC, PS3, or anything that can play files from a USB key.

Why aren't HTPCs widespread (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28491055)

And no, not everyone has an HTPC, PS3, or anything that can play files from a USB key.

Why doesn't everyone who has an HDTV have an HTPC? HDTVs can use the RGB video and analog stereo audio that any old PC outputs. Or are you talking about SDTVs, which need a converter like this one [sewelldirect.com] to display PC video?

Re:Why aren't HTPCs widespread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28495071)

Because HTPCs are noisy, expensive, difficult to set up and use, prone to crashing, breaking, and just not working right.

That said in Europe SDTVs don't need an expensive adapter like that because the SCART connector is electrically compatible with VGA. All you need is a custom modeline, a cable with the right connectors, and the right kind of video card.

No SCART in the United States (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28495719)

Because HTPCs are noisy, expensive, difficult to set up and use, prone to crashing, breaking, and just not working right.

They're no worse than a certain media center extender device made by Microsoft that has a "red ring" failure mode.

That said in Europe

My comments refer to the United States market because I live in the United States, as do the editors of Slashdot and the executives of SourceForge Inc., Slashdot's parent company. In North America, the closest thing we have to SCART is YPbPrLR component over five RCA cables, and the video side of that is not electrically compatible with VGA.

All you need is a custom modeline

But will the average Windows driver support a custom modeline?

and the right kind of video card.

You mean ArcadeVGA [ultimarc.com] ? Most people don't even know it exists, just like the VGA-to-composite adapter I linked. And unless the Intel GMA series is likewise a "right kind", people who didn't buy a video card for their PC won't be able to use it.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1)

benwaggoner (513209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489493)

The Zune HD features 720p on a tiny, tiny, screen...or at home, where I can watch TV on a computer, console, or cable box.

It's not that small a screen for a portable media player, and it'd OLED, not another lousy 24-bit LCDs with horrible banding.

For myself, there's an important third place I'm often in: hotel rooms. Which increasingly have nice HD TVs cursed with only lousy 4:3 SD coax analog inputs getting stretched to 16:9. ...and an HDMI input (universal in Marriotts now, and in other chains as well).

Being able to carrying around decent HD programming to hook into those sets should be a lovely thing, and free with Media Center recording HD OTA.

Re:The Zune HD! Wow! (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28490959)

I'd rather they took it more in the direction of a portable console, but I guess they are too chicken to fight Nintendo.

I read that when the XBox was being planned different teams at Microsoft got to pitch a solution to Bill Gates based on their technology. One of them was the WebTV team who had a Windows CE based platform.

Bill Gates detected the problem. Windows CE had to be made compatible with the upcoming version of DirectX 8.0. He interrupted the presentation and asked who was working on this project. Berkes, who was in charge of developing the latest version of DirectX, said to Gates that he didn't know anything about it. He would need a lot more programming resources to make sure that this conversion would happen and if done it would be a slow process. "It wasn't a credible claim" that Windows CE would be synchronized with DirectX anytime soon, Berkes said. The Xbox team had considered using Windows CE, but they dropped it as soon as they discovered the file size for CE programs was limited to 32 megabytes; they would have had to partition a hard drive into thousands of parts just to make CE run. Hence, the WebTV people didn't have a good software story. They hadn't had the presence of mind or resources on short notice to put together a demo that showed Windows CE working with a new version of DirectX. Gates also hammered the failure of Windows CE in the Sega Dreamcast.

"Tell me who used Windows CE in a Dreamcast game," Gates demanded.

Kummert had to reply that very few game programmers had done so. He and Phillips offered a half-hearted response about why that was so. Gates knew the matter all too well already.

The other was the XBox team with a proposal based on desktop Windows - apparently the original XBox used a hacked version of the Windows 2000 kernel - which ended up winning. Plausbibly the PowerPC based XBox360 still uses the same kernel, i.e. even though PPC support was dropped in the desktop version of Windows 2000 the build option was kept for the internal projects like the XBox360.

480x272 = ZuneHD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28494949)

The Zune HD has a 480x272 screen. It can only display video at 720p using an EXTERNAL device such as a TV.

Belch-kin kit (2, Informative)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488557)

"Belkin was displaying its Gigabit Powerline HD Starter Kit...."

Does this have that wonderfully innovative Belch-kin mis-feature where the device will hijack your connection randomly to show you ads for other Belch-kin products?

Seriously - I would NEVER put Belkin gear any place where it could theoretically modify the communications. Add to that Bletch-kin gear is usually overpriced for what it is....

Re:Belch-kin kit (2, Insightful)

drei22 (1026046) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488727)

"Belkin was displaying its Gigabit Powerline HD Starter Kit...."

Does this have that wonderfully innovative Belch-kin mis-feature where the device will hijack your connection randomly to show you ads for other Belch-kin products?

Seriously - I would NEVER put Belkin gear any place where it could theoretically modify the communications. Add to that Bletch-kin gear is usually overpriced for what it is....

What did you purchase that was giving ads? I have never had this problem with any Belkin networking devices and they have always worked well. **shrugs** Besides Gig-E over power sounds promising if actually works.

Slashdot P-A-R-T-Y Announcement: +1, Fun (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28488621)

Each one of you say a single letter: P - A - R - T - Y [youtube.com]

Hi, To Daytona, Florida !

Have A Tech-LESS weekend Lamerz !

Yours In Communism,
K. Trout

Re:Slashdot P-A-R-T-Y Announcement: +1, Fun (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#28489065)

P!

Re:Slashdot P-A-R-T-Y Announcement: +1, Fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28494059)

R!

"streaming full quality"??? (4, Insightful)

vanyel (28049) | more than 5 years ago | (#28488901)

While I suppose from a very technical point of view, you're "streaming" over hdmi, that's no more streaming than it is over a vga cable or over the air. What it *does* do is confuse consumers by making s.t...re...am....i.n.g sound like a good thing. "streaming full quality" is an oxymoron in normal contexts.

Re:"streaming full quality"??? (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 5 years ago | (#28490471)

OK, I've run that through my MS-Marketingspeak-to-English parser (V0.0.1pl1, so be gentle), and here's the gist of what I could glean from the coredump it generated:

The Zune is streaming content over WiFi. That content is 720P. That content is being displayed on an external monitor, connected to the Zune via HDMI.

Thus, the Zune is "streaming" in the commonly used sense of the word. The reason HDMI is mentioned is to address the issue that the Zune's built-in display is nowhere near 720P. The intended use-case would be using the Zune as a media renderer on an external display. Now, why in hell you'd use something like a Zune for that role rather than using something like a Showcenter or other dedicated media renderer box is not clear to me - I guess that IF you were travelling, IF you had a Zune, IF your hotel room had a TV with HDMI input, and IF your hotel had decent WiFi you could stream things to the TV at a reasonable resolution. Of course, you could also show content stored on the Zune (Bow-chicka-wow-wow music optional) and avoid the "stre am ing fr om hote hote hote l WI<connection lost>" issue.

IMG SGX Chips (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28489055)

SGX chips (see OMAP3430) have been doing this at a fraction of the power for quite a while now....

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