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The Video Bay, Now In Beta

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the morally-neutral dept.

The Internet 107

poundhard writes "Some two years ago, it was mentioned on TorrentFreak and Slashdot that The Pirate Bay team were working on a YouTube competitor. At the oral proceedings of the Spectrial, I believe it was Peter Sunde, aka Brokep, who said to the prosecutor that it was one of those side projects that failed. A few days ago though, he appeared over Skype at the Open Video Conference in New York, and apparently said that they were about to launch something new. It has been speculated in Norway that it will be the IPREDator. But I checked out The Video Bay, and hey, it is about to go live! This is what they write: 'To stay in the spirit on which TPB was founded and using the Latest Technology, TVB aims to use the new HTML5 features, more specifically the <video> and <audio> tags with the ogg/theora video and audio formats. This site will be an experimental playground and as such subjected to both live and drunk (en)coding, so please don't bug us too much if the site ain't working properly.'"

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Wooo! (5, Funny)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497437)

Now they can get sued by the MPAA as well as the RIAA!

Good for them, though.

A little preview (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497517)

I found this [nimp.org] at NIMP's site. Interesting what the future is coming to.

Re:A little preview (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497561)

The above is spam, just fyi

Re:A little preview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28501989)

good thing I'm on my bee

Dial 911....or MOD PARENT UP!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497785)

That video was pretty flashy.

Re:A little preview (-1, Redundant)

DevoidOfWindows (1577459) | more than 4 years ago | (#28499305)

*Silence.*
I. Hate. You.

Re:A little preview (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28500649)

What, you don't like gay porn? Owned!

Re:A little preview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28501201)

Dude, seriously.. nimp.org, are you new here or what?

Re:A little preview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28501293)

Uhhh yeah, look at his userid/number.

Re:Wooo! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28499863)

Anyone know the whereabouts of MightyMartian? I was scratching my balls and thought of plunging my cock into his ass one more time. Let me know.

Private, Beta and Useless (5, Insightful)

basementman (1475159) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497463)

So now private beta websites that don't really do anything new get to the front page of slashdot? The only thing I can see is the front page, everything else requires a username and password. Let me know when they do something notable.

You need a name and pasword to get the password. (1, Insightful)

yourassOA (1546173) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497563)

That site is fricken lame.

Re:You need a name and pasword to get the password (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497737)

Just for the beta.

Re:Private, Beta and Useless (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497601)

please go sodomize yourself with a lipstick

Re:Private, Beta and Useless (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498261)

So now private beta websites that don't really do anything new get to the front page of slashdot? The only thing I can see is the front page, everything else requires a username and password. Let me know when they do something notable.

Let me know when you come out of the basement and do something notable.

Re:Private, Beta and Useless (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#28500777)

The whole idea is that you can't get in, but certain people can. What's the use of having access to a private closed beta unless you can tell the world? There's not much point in having the privilege unless others are denied it...hence the link to a login-only page. It's not for you, but it's OK if you still lust after it.

Re:Private, Beta and Useless (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#28501303)

TVB aims to use the new HTML5 features, more specificly the and tags with the ogg/theora video and audio formats.

Youtube's html5 test page didn't use ogg, last I checked, and Wikimedia's content has limited entertainment value.

Re:Private, Beta and Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28502897)

still better than the usual "Apple may announces new iThing tomorrow, nobody knows what the f*ck this could be" (and nobody cares ?)

Awesome stuff (3, Insightful)

Daemonax (1204296) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497583)

This is great. I was looking for somewhere that I could make videos in Ogg Theora format and upload them. I had tried a combination of archive.org and theorasea.org but it was quite terrible really.

Hopefully this will help to increase support for Ogg Theora. I'd like to see wikipedia start using Ogg Theora too, they used to have some videos on articles like the Wright Brothers flight at Kitty Hawk which was a neat little addition, but they seem to have disappeared.

Re:Awesome stuff (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497787)

Wikipedia does use Ogg Theora [wikipedia.org] and <video> for videos.

Re:Awesome stuff (2, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#28500127)

Wikipedia is no longer accepting movies of dudes jacking off.

Re:Awesome stuff (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503509)

While technically your post contains information that is news to many, and is therefore informative, I worry about the person who felt it was important enough information to merit this moderation.

Re:Awesome stuff (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503013)

But you must first get into their elite cult circle of demigods, passing trough several levels of introduction tests and approvals, to be able to upload everything.
(Wait for this to be true for every page on that site too. Partially it already is true right now.)

Re:Awesome stuff (3, Informative)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497893)

I've uploaded tons of stuff to YouTube that was Ogg Theora. You're not looking hard enough.

Re:Awesome stuff (3, Informative)

Daemonax (1204296) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497969)

I know that you can upload it to youtube and it'll convert it... But to watch it you need flash, or to use a script to download the video files or something other things... I want to avoid using a site that requires you to use non-free software for it to work properly.

Re:Awesome stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28499297)

tinyvid.tv

Sorry, not many video hosts use Theora because that would mean double bandwidth.

But why don't you just use some shared or cloud hosting? Writing an HTML5 page to display them is really easy if you don't want to go all the way with legacy browser fallbacks. (The only fallback you can use is Cortado anyway, because Firefox has a bug that doesn't hide a fallback <object> inside a <video>.)

Re:Awesome stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28502249)

[citation needed]

In fact, there have been several stories in the past few weeks that refute this bullshit.

Re:Awesome stuff (-1, Troll)

superash (1045796) | more than 4 years ago | (#28502191)

I want to avoid using a site that requires you to use non-free software for it to work properly.

Ummm, flash browser plug-in is free!

Re:Awesome stuff (0, Offtopic)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 4 years ago | (#28502353)

No, it is gratis, not free!

Re:Awesome stuff (1)

boiert (934539) | more than 4 years ago | (#28502801)

No, it's still free, just not libre.

Re:Awesome stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28503247)

It's not free,you still have to pay a big price:
Using one of the following crappy and insecure Operating Systems.
Windows, Linux, Mac OS X.

Re:Awesome stuff (1)

Keeper Of Keys (928206) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503991)

you are free to write your own plugin for flash conent playback.

Re:Awesome stuff (1)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 4 years ago | (#28510231)

Yeah, but good luck getting it to work with more than 25% of the sites out there. Gnash has been working on it for YEARS and they still only have it working on about 90% of them.

Re:Awesome stuff (3, Informative)

pejyel (1275304) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497979)

I've uploaded tons of stuff to YouTube that was Ogg Theora. You're not looking hard enough.

You can upload Ogg Theora videos on Youtube, but they will be automatically transcoded to FLV and viewable only as such.

The OP obviously looks for a site that allows viewing of ogg theora videos, thus getting rid of Flash lameness.

Re:Awesome stuff (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498917)

I was looking for somewhere that I could make videos in Ogg Theora format and upload them. I had tried a combination of archive.org and theorasea.org but it was quite terrible really

http://v2v.cc/ [v2v.cc] ?

Your own web host, perhaps?

Re:Awesome stuff (2, Informative)

doublec (891422) | more than 4 years ago | (#28501757)

Have you tried using tinyvid.tv [tinyvid.tv]. It uses Ogg Theora, using HTML 5 video, will fallback to the Java Cortado applet to play the video if the browser doesn't support HTML5.

Helpin out (3, Interesting)

AakashPatel (1586679) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497819)

Eh...the helpin out email address on their page gives me a relay access denied bounce back...great way to help out lol

Re:Helpin out (3, Interesting)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#28499169)

It says "(Don't expect anything to work at all)", maybe that applies to the email server too?

Re:Helpin out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28501827)

Were closed right now for any help we need. Thanks for your interest though.

We did tonight just open up the site for browsing and you can now register.

They just don't get it, do they? (1)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497869)

There is a fundamental difference between Youtube and something like The Pirate Bay or The Video Bay. Youtube isn't about piracy, the initial purpose of it was social networking and it continues to try to strive for that. People may use it to upload movies, etc. and split them into parts to get around it, but Youtube does what it can to remove copyrighted material so its not at fault.

So when they say that they are trying to make a competitor to Youtube, I can see that they are very misguided.

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (3, Interesting)

jork (1330913) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497933)

yes, but a large percentage of people who view videos in Youtube have no interest in the social media elements.

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (2, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498033)

Social networking between people that are not content creators (most people) inherently includes massive use of other peoples creations. Saying that a social networking video site is not the same thing as a pirate site is pretty much semantics.

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 4 years ago | (#28504001)

inherently includes massive use of other peoples creations.

That doesn't mean they don't have the right to use it, which is really what piracy is about.

Sure, in practice, that's not much of the stuff that's on youtube, but "Social networking video site" only means "pirate site" in practice ;-)

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498075)

Dude, have you actually been on Youtube recently?
More than half of it is illegal content. And a good deal of it is private and shared amongst closed groups, so probably even more.

People don't even care much for the social aspects of it.
Most people register just to leave comments, or at least keep track of favorite videos.

TVB is a DIRECT competitor to Youtube, considering most people WANT to upload content that is copyrighted! (well, not now, but when it does come out)
The people in

People may use it to upload movies

is actually quite a significant amount of people, more than you seem to think.

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (2, Insightful)

gilgongo (57446) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498539)

Youtube isn't about piracy, the initial purpose of it was social networking and it continues to try to strive for that.

Er, it may not have been about piracy initially, but anyone other than a casual observer today will see that YouTube hosts a lot of illegal (as in not copyright cleared) material. In fact I'd estimate that perhaps half the content is pirated in some form (either video or audio).

Youtube is my jukebox at work. (1)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503115)

I use Youtube as my music jukebox at work. I search for just about any song that pops into my head and someone has uploaded a "video" of it to Youtube, so I listen and minimize the browser. It's nice.

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (2, Interesting)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#28499001)

Wait, youtube has social features?

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28499351)

no lie, the original idea was a video dating site

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28499381)

Wait, youtube has social features?

Mostly antisocial features. It's a bullying platform.

Re:They just don't get it, do they? (2, Funny)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 4 years ago | (#28502945)

Yeah, it's where people (or "ppl") go to tell each other ("ur") that they are homosexual ("fags"), and that this sucks ("blows"), and that they are most amused at their own witticisms ("lolz").

Peter Sunde of TPB meets the Brazilian President (5, Informative)

Ezel (249772) | more than 4 years ago | (#28497889)

Some related news:
Peter Sunde, one of the convicted(and appealing) men behind The Pirate Bay is right now at 'Fórum Internacional Software Livre' in Brazil where he among other things got to meet the brazilian president Lula. Here [trezentos.blog.br] is a picture of the meeting.
Peter Sunde himself talks a bit about it in his blog [brokep.com].

So what now Joe Biden? Time to invade Brazil for fraternizing with the enemy?

Re:Peter Sunde of TPB meets the Brazilian Presiden (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514237)

Only if we get to stop off in Argentina for some recreation time first.

401 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28497921)

A username and password are being requested by http://thevideobay.org. The site says: "The Vidoe Bay"

That's a great idea. Make a 401 website that looks interesting, and collect passwords. Get it on slashdot -> Jackpot!

So now they're going to start hosting . . . (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498001)

. . . copyrighted content on their own servers? The whole "but they only host torrent files and links" defense will be useless.

Re:So now they're going to start hosting . . . (2, Interesting)

jack2000 (1178961) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498093)

They can still have an eula that basically declares whatever you do is your own fault...

Re:So now they're going to start hosting . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498151)

They didn't say these new servers will be in Sweden, and they personally have a very good reason to leave Sweden as well.

Re:So now they're going to start hosting . . . (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498359)

The "linking defense will not work" in my original message wasn't limited to a particular country (or law, even). It is the entire argument that somehow Google are the Pirate Bay are the same things in that they only provide links. That they never did anything wrong or broken the law since they are not the ones uploading the actual files. That is that the users are the ones responsible, not TPB/TVB. Now that they will be hosting this, the pro-TPB crowd will kill their own defenses in IP debates, be it ethical or ethical debates.

Re:So now they're going to start hosting . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28499623)

Whoops. I have realized that the last sentence should have been "be it legal or ethical debates." I hate it when it takes hours to realize writing mistakes.

Off topic, but interesting (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498019)

Some of you may find it interesting to learn what that "It has been speculated in Norway"-link actually means... well, NRK beta is the new technologies-playground of the STATE BROADCASTER (NRK). It sure is a healthy sign that they report on such things (Google translation [google.com]) in a favorable manner.

iphone (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28498119)

If this works on the iPhone, it's going to force youtube to adopt HTML5.

Re:iphone (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503475)

Incredible - is there anything the IPHONE can't do?

(Although the question of whether it works on the Iphone will likely be "No, because that's just featurism, you don't need that feature. We'll only do it when most other phones have done it first, and then claim credit for being 'first'".)

Ahma's gr88-st opportunity (4, Interesting)

scorilo (654174) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498317)

The one smart PR move that renegade countries like Iran, Zimbabwe or North Korea don't ever make is hosting other renegades, from the other side of the pond (like tpb or tvb). They'd score a major coup by showing that there are excesses and abuses perpetrated by their critics as well, and rather than having to perform the filtering and censorship themselves, they'd be forcing the West to do it for them, allowing themselves to be painted as the good guys.

Re:Ahma's gr88-st opportunity (2, Insightful)

kasot (1274250) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498589)

The folks behind TPB wouldn't host their sites in a regime even if they were paid for it.

Re:Ahma's gr88-st opportunity (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498769)

....But they won't do it. In case you hadn't seen it a few days ago TPB changed their logo to be "The Iran Bay" with links to materials helping protesters get their message out. The idea was even used in an April Fools gag a while back on their site about moving to North Korea.

About all that will go to these countries would be shady porn sites or for-profit warez groups. The rest will simply refuse because they care more about these issues than being "legal".

Re:Ahma's gr88-st opportunity (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 4 years ago | (#28499515)

Renegades don't get along with each other very well. Imagine TVB in Iran - what happens when I post a video critical of Muslims?

Legitimacy (5, Insightful)

gehrehmee (16338) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498477)

Legitimate videos == legitimate ads.

If this is going to get mainstream use with any kind of revenue stream, they'll need ads, and they'll need ads that aren't too offensive. Many of TPB's ads are for shady porn sites.... that'll have to go if this will be the sort of place I tell my family view my videos at.

Re:Legitimacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28500635)

Your family is full of uptight pricks.

Re:Legitimacy (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503505)

Pr0n sites? You mean that these hundreds of girls being advertised who just happen to live in the same town as me aren't really looking for someone to date? :(

(Well, you learn something new everyday - I never realised my town had such a porn industry.)

Re:Legitimacy (1)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 4 years ago | (#28504953)

You mean that these hundreds of girls being advertised who just happen to live in the same town as me aren't really looking for someone to date? :(

I love those ads! They are hilarious!

Try surfing through a South Korean proxy. They'll magically teleport to something-something Province. It's spectacular.

Re:Legitimacy (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513329)

Many of TPB's ads are for shady porn sites.... that'll have to go if this will be the sort of place I tell my family view my videos at.

Considering a lot of TPB's content is porn... Not that I know anything about that... It would make sense to have adult ads.

Though one wonders if you were going to TBP to download free porn would you spend money on porn advertisers?

Unless maybe they are aiming for the Adobe downloader crowd?

Good luck with that... (5, Insightful)

TheRon6 (929989) | more than 4 years ago | (#28498559)

They're trying to compete with Youtube?... Compete for what? The privilege of losing $1.65 million per day [slashdot.org]? If the MPAA was smart they would help The Pirate Bay set this up!

Re:Good luck with that... (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#28499311)

Firefox plugin that hacks the video element to allow distributed streaming?

If TPB was providing all the download bandwidth for its illegal downloads, they wouldn't have made a dime. I don't see why they'd want to start now.

Re:Good luck with that... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#28500027)

Not likely (and luckily), IMHO, seeing how many other browsers they suggest .

OTOH all of those browser also got nice Javascript speedups lately...perhaps enough to implement something "bittorrent-like" there?

Re:Good luck with that... (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 4 years ago | (#28500433)

Javascript's same origin policy [wikipedia.org] would prevent such a thing from happening. On the other hand, I see no reason why browsers could not support magnet: URIs [wikipedia.org] for <video> sources on p2p, possibly passing them off to an external program to download.

Re:Good luck with that... (1)

ziggamon2.0 (796017) | more than 4 years ago | (#28505365)

Well, me personally - wouldn't that be the natural development of web browsers in general? Integrated file-sharing for objects larger than 100 MB, including streaming. Now that would be an interesting step in the piracy debate!

Re:Good luck with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28502815)

Yeah, I don't think people realize how much bandwidth it takes to run something like YouTube. The only reason Google can get away with making money is because most of their sites are simple text/HTML with little bandwidth usage. On the other hand, a streaming video site uses massive amounts of bandwidth for very little return (same with with sites that host pictures, imageshack, tinypic, etc, I don't see how they stay in business).

The site says it's "Beta Extreme" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28499243)

And also states "Don't expect anything to work at all." In KDE speak that translates to "final stable release of an amazing new paradigm in website technology."

So Flashsucks...but... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#28501017)

What are we replacing it with this week? Silverlight or something else? Maybe realplayer? Hah. This is a semi-legitimate question on my end as I really don't keep up with this.

Re:So Flashsucks...but... (2, Informative)

Laxori666 (748529) | more than 4 years ago | (#28501157)

no, with HTML5, which is an open standard that any browser could implement without the need of a proprietary plug-in.

Re:So Flashsucks...but... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#28503715)

So we use HTLM5, how do we get around flagrant abuse that we've seen with flash and java? I'm just running with a thought here, not sure what it is quite yet.

Re:So Flashsucks...but... (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 4 years ago | (#28519793)

What abuse, and what makes you think HTML5 is supposed to address whatever abuse you are referring to?

Re:So Flashsucks...but... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#28522767)

The current issues we have with Java and Flash are non-sandboxing, script vulnerabilities, redirect hijacking, etc. So you take the same elements in play that exist within the two most common features of both flash and java which are abused into the dirt, apply them to a new standard and you get?

Fill in the blank.

Re:So Flashsucks...but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28503961)

Latest versions of browsers have a tag, but the only agreed upon codec is Ogg Theora which is really awful for motion.

Apple appears to support h264 in their tags but then you're just going to end up in support hell, when its far easier to just continue using flash.

I just wish people would all stop trying to 'protect' their content from their viewers. Give me a flash embeded player side by side with a .mp4 stream/download link so I dont have to watch it in a bad flash player if i dont want.

WARNING FOR LINKED CONTENT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28502703)

Warning !!

I clicked the kopime link, and im not happy with what is now left in my cache !!!

I'm not easily insulted, but i freaked out when i got a pic of a naked child !

why would you link to something like that ???

The point of the tag? Stupidity? (0, Troll)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#28502999)

I have to ask: What is the point of the video> tag, when there is a perfectly good and very flexible tag?
I used that thing back in 2004, to allow me to play back anything that I throw at it, as long as the browser supports it. It worked nicely.
The only thing missing, was that the browser could not overlay HTML over it. Just as with form fields. Which was a bug, and should be fixed.

So those new tags are really pointless.

The only reason I can think of, is to follow the general philosophy of HTML5 (vs. XHTML2), to foster the ability of unprofessionals and idiots to use it, despite their output being riddled with bugs and horrible stuff. Because <object data="some-media-file.ext">, and the ability to define the mime type and interpreter (eg a java app) is too complicated for them.
Do we really want to go back to 1999? With 2009s version of intro Flash movies, marquee elements on extreme texture backgrounds and bad animated gifs?

"The homepages are back! Now with even more pointlessness, horrible code and flashes that make your children twitch!"

Myspace on IE - The Goatse of web design! ;)

Re:The point of the tag? Stupidity? (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 4 years ago | (#28519693)

There are good reasons to add a video tag, but considering the way you revel in your own ignorance, I can't really be bothered to tell you about it. I'll just let you know that there are good reasons, and you can use that as a starting point to educate yourself instead of posting knee-jerk nonsense, if you really are interested.
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