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Licensing Issues Shut Down Pandora Outside US

timothy posted about 5 years ago | from the ministry-of-culture-may-be-pleased dept.

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randalotto writes "I'm in France for the summer and have been listening to Pandora at work. I tried logging on tonight and was greeted with a surprising message: 'We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the US. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative. ... The pace of global licensing is hard to predict, but we have the ultimate goal of being able to offer our service everywhere.' I'm not sure what the deal is or what licensing requirements suddenly changed, but Pandora in France is no more..." Note: the above link redirects to the main site, for those inside the US.

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248 comments

What's left for users outside the U.S.? (4, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 5 years ago | (#28510517)

Hope.

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about 5 years ago | (#28510549)

Can't you get around it by using a proxy?

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (4, Funny)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 5 years ago | (#28510615)

I don't think he wants to get around hope.

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (0, Redundant)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about 5 years ago | (#28510645)

Trust a slashdot user to logically connect my post to the GP in CLEARLY the wrong way. I love it!

I tip my hat to you sir!

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (5, Funny)

Killer Orca (1373645) | about 5 years ago | (#28510797)

Trust a slashdot user to logically connect my post to the GP in CLEARLY the wrong way. I love it! I tip my hat to you sir!

That whooshing sound you hear is available to listeners inside the U.S. only due to licensing restrictions.

Tor (5, Informative)

Sabre Runner (1433057) | about 5 years ago | (#28510793)

A friend of mine is a long time Pandora user and he hasn't stopped when Pandora blocked everyone outside the US. Currently he says Tor helps. If I'm not mistaken, he's using a Tor/FoxyProxy combination but I haven't delved too much into it. I don't feel like hassling with something if there's an easier, equally good, solution. So now I'm listening to music via GrooveShark. FineTune, Deezer and other services are also available but most are annoying and anti-users, unlike GrooveShark. I admit, Pandora probably has the best song matching algorithms and GrooveShark's database is quite a mess but it does what it's suppose to do and short of quite obscure albums, I've found everything I wanted.

Re:Tor (2, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 5 years ago | (#28510957)

Given how slow Tor is (for me anyway), it's hard to imagine anyone listening to Pandora that way. Heck, I suspect even lynx would be annoyingly slow over Tor!

Re:Tor (4, Funny)

rts008 (812749) | about 5 years ago | (#28511459)

*sigh*
I see similar posts frequently.
Okay, here's how its done:

You have to bypass the Heisenberg Compensaters to create an inertial sump, then reverse the polarity on the Warp Field Generators, then combine the streams(yes, this time you do!) and reroute the output to the deflector dish to emit a focused tachyon pulse that has to be synchronized and modulated with the inertia compensator's artificial gravity generator, pipe your Tor proxy through that and Lynx then flies at near light speeds down the 'tubes'!

*disclaimer:you can exceed ISP 'bandwidth' caps in milliseconds this way, so type FAST!*
[end sarcasm]

I feel your pain.
Tor is handy, but is far from 'the Silver Bullet' it is claimed to be.

I also see streaming something like Pandora over Tor as problematic at best.

Re:Tor (1)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#28511685)

Heck, I suspect even lynx would be annoyingly slow over Tor!

With slow enough incoming data, all browsers are fast.

Re:Tor (2, Funny)

B4light (1144317) | about 5 years ago | (#28510971)

Mmm, I love the sound of slowly downloaded music in the morning.

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (3, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | about 5 years ago | (#28511103)

So you're going with Change, then?

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (0)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | about 5 years ago | (#28510567)

And change! Can you spare some?

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510581)

http://spotify.com/

After that, pandora feels kinda crappy...

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510605)

"Not available on your country yet"
It looks equally crappy from here...

spotify (1)

tobiah (308208) | about 5 years ago | (#28510841)

Sure looks like it was designed for Americans, even if it's not available here. I don't feel like lining up a foreign VPN right now (maybe if they mentioned where it is available). Anyone have experience with it? What makes it so great?

Re:spotify (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511007)

The OP was about 'what's for outside of US' and Spotify it is, won't work over there.

http://www.spotify.com/en/help/faq/

What countries is Spotify available in?
        Spotify is currently available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain.

I guess they'll add rest of the Europe and Nordic countries later.

Re:spotify (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511277)

Spotify Free is available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain.
There are a few more countries where Spotify Premium is available.

IMO, what makes it great is:
* 3.5M tracks in the library, growing each day.
* Slick, easy to use UI
* 160Kbps Vorbis for users of the free product, 320Kbps Vorbis for premium subscribers

Another thing you might be interested in is that every once in a while, Spotify gets to release upcoming albums a week or two in advance of retail.

Their execution up to this point has been more or less brilliant, and I, for one, am gladly paying them 10 EUR/month.

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (-1, Flamebait)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 5 years ago | (#28510639)

What's left for users outside the U.S.?

Not the US national debt for one thing. Kind of balances out.

Re:What's left for users outside the U.S.? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511505)

Last.fm, I switched for it when they closed Pandora for me.

Old news ? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510527)

I thought they shut down listening to non-USA last year ?

Re:Old news ? (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 5 years ago | (#28510603)

Yes, this is old news. However, it might be that the submitter only tried it in France and there it was still allowed and already disallowed in pretty much all other European countries.. While not pandora, consider last.fm... They shut down in Europe too, except for a few select countries (Germany and the UK) you can still use it without subscription. Otherwise, it's just have to pay. (No way, I'm doing that.)

Re:Old news ? (2, Informative)

nkh (750837) | about 5 years ago | (#28511013)

That's funny, I'm in France and I just discovered Last.fm today (yeah, I'm slow...) and the Mac program works great. I don't see any subscription here, maybe it's some kind of free trial. According to their subscription page, I can have "unlimited radio streaming" but it's not written anywhere in their program.

Re:Old news ? (2, Informative)

nkh (750837) | about 5 years ago | (#28511121)

Woops, small update: Last.fm is limited to 30 tracks only for the free version. I'll try something else...

Re:Old news ? (4, Informative)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | about 5 years ago | (#28510775)

Pandora has been dead outside the US for some time. I was just getting into using it when they shut down access outside the US. I'm sure it was at LEAST two years ago this happened.

Re:Old news ? (1)

discontinuity (792010) | about 5 years ago | (#28511073)

Yep, this is old news. I've been in France since this past December and Pandora has been inaccessible the entire time.

Re:Old news ? (2, Insightful)

Dayze!Confused (717774) | about 5 years ago | (#28511383)

Although this is old news it brings to light again the growing trend of limiting content based on location. I am an American living in a foreign country and there are a lot of sites that I cannot go to because content is limited to US IP addresses.

Sites such as cbs.com have content only available in the US. Youtube also has some videos only available in the US. Now, it seems from the discussion, that most music sites have also turned that way. Our globalized world is getting torn apart again by content providers.

First post! (4, Interesting)

PMBjornerud (947233) | about 5 years ago | (#28510537)

...err, I mean. Isn't this old news?

I though Europe was blocked 2 years or so earlier. Didn't know that France was an exception. Or he was lucky with his IP block being considered American.

Re:First post! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510569)

They've been blocking Germany for years now.

Re:First post! (2, Insightful)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | about 5 years ago | (#28510653)

They blocked Canada a while back. 6 months? Maybe longer - I can't remember the exact date it first came up.

Re:First post! (4, Informative)

interactive_civilian (205158) | about 5 years ago | (#28510749)

Indeed. This is the primary reason I have never used Pandora and why I did end up using Last.fm. Pandora has never been accessible to me from where I've been in the world. With Last.fm no longer being free to listen on, options are limited, though, if you continue using scrobbling, you can still use Last.fm to find some decent recommendations to check out. Then you can turn to other sources to sample that music.

Though it isn't the same thing, in that you have no control over what you listen to, I'm going to go ahead and give a shout out to Triple J Radio [abc.net.au] , a radio station out of Melbourne, Australia that plays a wide range of music and very little top-40 crap.

If anyone is looking for legal free music, it is worth surfing around Archive.org [archive.org] and/or LegalTorrents [legaltorrents.com] . There are a lot of good independent artists out there giving their music away.

Re:First post! (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 5 years ago | (#28510927)

Though one can still listen to previews of tracks, that's often enough when checking recommendations.

And adding here another thought that I have after my previous comment to the story - does it all show disconnect of Americans from outside world? ;)

Re:First post! (1)

Phurge (1112105) | about 5 years ago | (#28511017)

Yeah I use last.fm to collect my listening & get reco's too. Have a look at http://8tracks.com/ [8tracks.com] its pretty good for finding new stuff.

Re:First post! (1)

St.Creed (853824) | about 5 years ago | (#28511131)

Try Imeem.com. Although it's not a radiostation, it works for me.

One for the geeks: http://www.imeem.com/people/iiS6AQH/music/I3tobUbT/lisa-miskovsky-still-alive-junkie-xl-mix/ [imeem.com]

Re:First post! (1)

St.Creed (853824) | about 5 years ago | (#28511139)

An alternative I forgot to mention is to use Hotspotshield, a free proxy-service. I'm not too sure what the risks and benefits on that one are, though, but you're supposed to be able to circumvent most of the IP-based bans. The download is free. Use at your own risk.

Re:First post! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511461)

minor correction, triple j is an australian national non-commercial radio station, with most of the shows broadcasting from melbourne and sydney, but in no way restricted to just those cities

Re:First post! (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 5 years ago | (#28510759)

Yes, very old.

BTW, that's why I prefer Last.fm - its recommendation engine works with local files, so it doesn't even really matter that I can't stream anymore (not living in Germany or UK...)

Plus the idea of impartial algorithms of Last.fm worked for me better than "experts" of Pandora - the latter played either things I don't like, or...ones that I already know; it couldn't make the jump to music that perhaps isn't very similar to what I'm listening to, but one that I would probably like (because it's listened by large number of my partial musical neigbours)

Re:First post! (1)

BagOBones (574735) | about 5 years ago | (#28510861)

Yes it is. Also put me down as another Last.fm user. Their engine isn't as detailed but it is good enough. Also the service does a good job of letting you know about local concerts for bands you like or might like.

Re:First post! (1)

psy (88244) | about 5 years ago | (#28511053)

...err, I mean. Isn't this old news?

I though Europe was blocked 2 years or so earlier. Didn't know that France was an exception. Or he was lucky with his IP block being considered American.

Being in Australia i was blocked off 1-2 years ago.

I think the OP was just in a lucky IP range which they finally fixed up.

Re:First post! (1)

randalotto (1206870) | about 5 years ago | (#28511279)

After poking around on the internet a little more, I think you're probably right. I must have just been lucky with my IP for whatever reason. Since I'm only in Europe for the summer, I didn't realize this was an existing issue; given the sudden change, I thought something (more than just my ip address being recognized) had happened.

Oh yeah, Nigger. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510541)

Y'all Niggas Niggerern in a Nigga, Nigga.

Really old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510553)

Hasn't this been the case for quite a while now?

I live outside of the US, and I haven't been able to access pandora for more than a year (maybe even more).

Re:Really old news (1)

SEWilco (27983) | about 5 years ago | (#28510637)

Yeah, really old. I've been hearing of closing Pandora's box for decades.

Really? (1)

neoprint (949158) | about 5 years ago | (#28510555)

I haven't tried in a while, but I used to use Pandora a lot till it randomly stopped working, with that exact same error message in 2006. I live in New Zealand if anyone cares...

Now the question remains (1)

MSDos-486 (779223) | about 5 years ago | (#28510575)

If you get it though a tunnel/proxy server will it work.

IMHO the effectiveness of location based filtering/blocking is inversely proportional to the l33tness of you users.

It sounds like you are over their for some school/work related thing. Both of those institutions commonly provide VPN service.

And that is news how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510599)

It's been like this for months, if I remember.

Doesn't make sense (1)

adosch (1397357) | about 5 years ago | (#28510631)

On what sort of legal/copyright grounds (this time) would cause the shutdown of Pandora outside the U.S.? I thought the whole beauty and logical design of Pandora to make the streaming legit was the idea of the played music being based on the donated full, legit, and tangible music CDs they received from the community or public domain? I guess long live free recreational drug use in Europe; just won't be able to stream Paul Oakenfold anymore while doing it.

Re:Doesn't make sense (5, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | about 5 years ago | (#28510721)

I thought the whole beauty and logical design of Pandora to make the streaming legit was the idea of the played music being based on the donated full, legit, and tangible music CDs they received from the community or public domain?

Um, owning a CD is a far cry from having the rights to publicly exhibit/distribute it.

Re:Doesn't make sense (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511551)

It's not the public, it's just a few million of my close friends.

Re:Doesn't make sense (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 5 years ago | (#28510953)

Different owners of copyrights in the given region.

Also, difficulty with extracting profit via ads (that's why Last.fm now streams full songs only in Germany, UK and US; at least the rest of its funtionality works)

Get a cheap VPN with a US server (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510675)

Just pick a VPN provider with a server in the US and location-based discrimination is a thing of the past.

Here's a decent list:
http://en.cship.org/wiki/VPN

It's funny how "content rights" holders complain about all those evil people copying, when you cannot even do it their-way(TM) if you want to.

Pandora not accessible for years here (2, Interesting)

Cimexus (1355033) | about 5 years ago | (#28510681)

So you could listen to Pandora in France until just recently? Interesting. I haven't been able to access Pandora in close to two years (I'm in Australia). I thought they barred all other countries simultaneously several years ago. But apparently not ... they must have been able to reach some interim agreement to continue to operate in France/EU that they couldn't do here.

Anyway, I recently started working at a company with US-based offices, which allows me to choose to VPN in to the US. Pandora works for me via that method, which is nice. But prior to getting that job yeah, I had to do without Pandora for 18 months which made me sad :(

The whole thing doesn't surprise me though. I'm not familiar with how copyright law in the US works, but it seems that virtually all US-based streaming media sites do this. E.g. most American TV stations websites have streaming video, but if you try and access it outside America, you get a "sorry, cannot display this content to IPs outside the US" message. Same with services like Hulu.

By comparison though, when I travel overseas I can access most Australia streaming radio stations/TV sites (for instance, JJJ radio, ABC's downloadable shows, my local commercial radio stations) from outside Australia. Must just be a difference in the law I guess. It must piss off Americans who are abroad though, when they try and tune in to their local stations over the net to get some news from home, and get denied.

Re:Pandora not accessible for years here (1)

Skapare (16644) | about 5 years ago | (#28511041)

People who rent certain kinds of web hosting, or dedicated servers, on which they can run their own proxy, could rent them in the country of the music source they are interested in. Just be sure to do it in a way that doesn't append an extra header exposing your real IP address (they might check that). Squid appends one by default but it can be overridden in the configuration. Other methods include doing a VPN or TCP redirection. Shell accounts can be used for the latter via SSH if they allow enough bandwidth.

Re:Pandora not accessible for years here (1)

raul2010 (815349) | about 5 years ago | (#28511097)

I don't know about other EU countries, but Spain was also blocked two years ago.

Re:Pandora not accessible for years here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511291)

So you could listen to Pandora in France until just recently? Interesting. I haven't been able to access Pandora in close to two years (I'm in Australia). I thought they barred all other countries simultaneously several years ago. But apparently not ... they must have been able to reach some interim agreement to continue to operate in France/EU that they couldn't do here.

Anyway, I recently started working at a company with US-based offices, which allows me to choose to VPN in to the US. Pandora works for me via that method, which is nice. But prior to getting that job yeah, I had to do without Pandora for 18 months which made me sad :(

The whole thing doesn't surprise me though. I'm not familiar with how copyright law in the US works, but it seems that virtually all US-based streaming media sites do this. E.g. most American TV stations websites have streaming video, but if you try and access it outside America, you get a "sorry, cannot display this content to IPs outside the US" message. Same with services like Hulu.

By comparison though, when I travel overseas I can access most Australia streaming radio stations/TV sites (for instance, JJJ radio, ABC's downloadable shows, my local commercial radio stations) from outside Australia. Must just be a difference in the law I guess. It must piss off Americans who are abroad though, when they try and tune in to their local stations over the net to get some news from home, and get denied.

I've been listening to Pandora in France, too... but it was restricted for more than 2 years now (back in May 2007), I think Slashdot carried out the story back then, but I cannot find it with this damn search engine, so here's a link dating from back then: http://www.sciencetext.com/how-to-open-pandora-outside-the-us.html

Re:Pandora not accessible for years here (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | about 5 years ago | (#28511653)

You need `Freedom IP` new from Halliburton.

Can't access Hulu, Pandora etc on your world travels? Log in using our sooper duper Web proxy. Soon to be available all across Iran and the free middle east. Our US Gov approved UAV's will broadcast wi-fi 24/7

Re:Pandora not accessible for years here (1)

rts008 (812749) | about 5 years ago | (#28511729)

I'm not familiar with how copyright law in the US works, but it seems that virtually all US-based streaming media sites do this. E.g. most American TV stations websites have streaming video, but if you try and access it outside America, you get a "sorry, cannot display this content to IPs outside the US" message. Same with services like Hulu.

IMHO, it has less to do with copyright law, and more to do with USA advertiser's dollars, and their perceived markets as targeted by the adverts.
Why fund content with advertising fees(targeted to your market) for those outside of your market?

Short sighted? You bet!
*I am not justifying this mindset, nor agree with it-just offering an explanation for you*

They seem to be missing out on a global market potential in this digital/internet age. The internet has already 'shrunk' the globe, and could shrink it further in regards to business.(this is where US IP laws and reg.'s/trade treaties do come into play)

Some will wake up, some will not, and some cannot(some legitimately, and some by choice).

The technology snowball is accelerating down the hill, and gaining mass. Some businesses will adapt, some will get snowballed.

Jango (5, Informative)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | about 5 years ago | (#28510689)

alternative: www.jango.com works fine (at least from Italy)

Re:Jango (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511011)

I second this. Jango just works and it has nice collection of music. Give it a try!

something about an old dog (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | about 5 years ago | (#28510703)

The Pandora service stopped 1..2 years ago here in South Africa, and Last.fm in April this year - Not like we can afford the bandwidth in this place anymore...

This is excellent! (1)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | about 5 years ago | (#28510709)

Anything that exposes the atrocity of copyright law to the average person can only produce some great blowback. Just like all the youtube takedowns. And many are already getting pissed about not being able to copy their DVDs to their mp3 players. Bring it on! Eventually we will vote you out!

Try finetune (1)

whois (27479) | about 5 years ago | (#28510743)

It seems like there's a billion of these companies now. All of them somehow able to create a playlist based on your previous likes or dislikes.

Finetune from what I've heard is a ton better than Pandora, but I don't keep track of either of them.

As of 2007, Finetune was available outside the US where Pandora wasn't. http://lifehacker.com/234553/finetune-pandora+like-internet-radio [lifehacker.com]

Things may have changed though.

I once knew a girl called Pandora (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510753)

Never got to see her box though

Re:I once knew a girl called Pandora (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510903)

No biggie. The only thing you'll find is a bearded clam...

ip law (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 5 years ago | (#28510773)

does not foster technological and cultural innovation

ip law is an impediment to technological and cultural innovation

it has hopelessly been compromised by government agendas and corporate greed, and no longer serves individual innovators and creators

it is your moral duty to ignore ip law, or better, destroy it

i hope to see in my lifetime the complete neutralization of any effective ip law in this world. the internet makes it possible to route around the damage that is ip law, things like the pirate party in europe gives us hope as social opinion moves in line with obvious morality on the issue of the complete bankruptcy of ip law

Re:ip law (3, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 5 years ago | (#28510885)

Care to elaborate a bit on the world without IP laws? How will musicians, writers, movie studios, news organizations, software companies etc even approach covering the costs of producing their work if the first person who buys it can make infinite number of copies and share them with the whole world?

Re:ip law (2, Insightful)

FlyingGuy (989135) | about 5 years ago | (#28510959)

Don't waste your breath on these miscreants. These people create no artistic works, they make nothing of artistic value, they simply believe they can take what they want when they want it. They believe © means they have a right to copy and give away anything they please.

I personally believe IP law needs serious reform, but you have to draw the line someplace.

And least you forget, all record companies are evil ( even though they lay out huge sums of money and make a suckers bet every time they back a new artist ) and deserve absolutely no return on their investment.

Re:ip law (1)

St.Creed (853824) | about 5 years ago | (#28511149)

Don't waste your breath on these miscreants. These people create no artistic works, they make nothing of artistic value, they simply believe they can take what they want when they want it. They believe © means they have a right to copy and give away anything they please.

When i read those lines I first thought you were discussing record company executives, making free with my money.

Re:ip law (3, Insightful)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | about 5 years ago | (#28511151)

...but you have to draw the line someplace.

That's right! 18 years..max! Take it or leave it. And record companies can become simple hired press agents without no exclusivity and can get paid a small commission AFTER the creator gets paid. Real competition..the horror! I don't suppose you could ever get used to the idea that recordings are promotional material to entice people to pay for a performance as opposed to the recording actually being the performance. That's like the dummies who pay to receive a phone call, or a text message. Wow! If only my line of work worked like that...

The shills come out at night..

Re:ip law (2, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 5 years ago | (#28511197)

That's right! 18 years..max!

And what hat did you pull that number out of? I think the copyright term will have to be an arbitrary number but just curious how did you come up with that and not 25 or 50 etc.At least the lifetime of the creator of the work (but not his/her children) would make slightly more sense to me than just picking a number.

And record companies can become simple hired press agents without no exclusivity and can get paid a small commission AFTER the creator gets paid.

They can but that's a matter of contracts between them and the artists which frankly is not any of your business to put arbitrary limitations on. I hope artists can get a better deal for themselves and increasing availability of channels apart from traditional record companies may give them a better negotiating position. Free market will take care of it.

Re:ip law (1)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | about 5 years ago | (#28511321)

And what hat did you pull that number out of?

You're right! It was 17 years [harvard.edu] .. You have my humblest apologies.

Commissions (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511021)

It used to be that a musician would either play on the street corner for tips, be hired to play live, or would be commissioned to compose a piece of music. Mozart never policed his fans to make sure they didn't hum his tunes without tossing him a few coins.

Moot point though, it's the recording industry who isn't being paid here, not the musicians. I know plenty of musicians who make a fine living playing gigs, and from what i understand most rockstars make more money on concerts anyways.

Re:ip law (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511035)

Entertainment shouldn't be an industry. Why does everything have to be an industry and allow people to profit from? Without IP, there'll be fewer but better songs, movies, books, software, because the people that really want to do it will (and will be paid by their regular job which is not producing these things) and the people that were doing it just for the money will stop putting out crap. win-win- to me.

Re:ip law (3, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 5 years ago | (#28511159)

Entertainment shouldn't be an industry.

Why pick on entertainment? There is nothing wrong with exchanging your work for money, I bet you do it every day. Why do you feel its ok for you to be paid for your work, but its somehow wrong for artists, musicians, writers etc to demand be paid for theirs?

Re:ip law (1)

selven (1556643) | about 5 years ago | (#28511677)

Movies - no IP laws means that only movies on a budget below $1 million will survive, so they will be forced to substitute special effects with actual content. This is a good thing.

Software - Open source, custom software and software as a service are all doing fine.

News - We have the internet and bloggers to inform us. If all major news stations die overnight, we'll have free services popping up to aggregate and filter crowdsourced news.

All this is assuming, of course, that no one continues paying for work once IP law disappears. In the real world, we'll continue to have people that give out their works freely to the public.

TPB...torrents...etc... (4, Informative)

AmigaHeretic (991368) | about 5 years ago | (#28510783)

And they wonder why sites like the TPB are so popular. :rolls_eyes:

Link? (1)

adolf (21054) | about 5 years ago | (#28510799)

Does anyone have a working link, for those of us who are in the US?

The doesn't affect me much, really -- Pandora still works fine for me as long as I'm in the US. But it's inspiring to me to read about the new and interesting in which American companies find to conspire against other countries.

So - I want to read the note. Someone post it, archive it, or something, so we USians can start arguing about who to boycott next.

Re:Link? (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | about 5 years ago | (#28510911)

Here you go - this is what displays if I go to www.pandora.com. Only modification is removing the last 2 octets from the IP address.

* * * * *

Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in Australia (your IP address appears to be 202.55.yyy.xxx). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

If you are a paid subscriber, please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com and we will issue a pro-rated refund to the credit card you used to sign up. If you have been using Pandora, we will keep a record of your existing stations and bookmarked artists and songs, so that when we are able to launch in your country, they will be waiting for you.

We will be notifying listeners as licensing agreements are established in individual countries. If you would like to be notified by email when Pandora is available in your country, please enter your email address below. The pace of global licensing is hard to predict, but we have the ultimate goal of being able to offer our service everywhere.

We share your disappointment and greatly appreciate your understanding.

Sincerely,

Tim Westergren
Founder

They are blocking it since years. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510825)

Pandora is blocking acccess to non US listeners for years.

I live in Belgium and I get this message for 2 years now.

Re:They are blocking it since years. (1)

Skapare (16644) | about 5 years ago | (#28511003)

So for 2 years you haven't found a proxy?

Re:They are blocking it since years. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511153)

No, he found torrents.

Slacker.com? (1)

Oyjord (810904) | about 5 years ago | (#28510881)

Try slacker.com, not sure if it works outside the US.

Old news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510905)

It's been this way for at least a year in France - I arrived in October of 2008, and was greatly disappointed to learn that my Pandora days were over. :(

In Europe ? Deezer ! (1)

testman123 (1111753) | about 5 years ago | (#28510923)

You are in France or Europe ? Then, you shall give a try to Deezer as a cool alternative : http://www.deezer.com/ [deezer.com]

Re:In Europe ? Deezer ! (1)

iamapizza (1312801) | about 5 years ago | (#28510943)

Because you can't possibly be in both at the same time.

Re:In Europe ? Deezer ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511143)

You can't if you're in French Guiana.

Re:In Europe ? Deezer ! (1)

Archon-X (264195) | about 5 years ago | (#28510979)

Deezer is seconded.
It's setup / owned by Free.fr (big ISP here) - runs very smoothly, and is at a high quality.
It's genre / song matching / similar artists radio is fantastic - always plays something I'd like to hear.

Re:In Europe ? Deezer ! (1)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | about 5 years ago | (#28510999)

You're on Internet or in front of your computer?

That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28510925)

Don't worry, Pandora.
Users outside the U.S. can mostly just download songs without fearing the RIAA.
And then they can listen to the EXACT songs they want to.

and this is OLD news.

RIAA off the bend.. (1)

ekran (79740) | about 5 years ago | (#28510931)

So, this is how RIAA is going to combat piracy? It's the same with Spotify, if you're not UK or Swedish bound you can still register through a proxy, but the problem is, after using it for a while from your native country it starts whining.

I guess the only solution is to obtain and constantly use proxy servers in order to route around this?

l'histoire passée (1)

otter42 (190544) | about 5 years ago | (#28510995)

Unfortunately, this isn't news. I haven't had access to Pandora since I can't remember. It's amazing how licensing only works in their favor. I have 200 CDs in America-- which according to the RIAA I only license-- and yet can't listen to them here because somehow it's illegal. Sigh...

Re:l'histoire passée (1)

St.Creed (853824) | about 5 years ago | (#28511165)

Torrent the whole lot and you have instant access anywhere in the world :)

Re:l'histoire passée (1)

freedom_india (780002) | about 5 years ago | (#28511263)

According to RIAA you only have a license to listen. Not to criticize (in Amazon), not to sing-along and certainly not try to create mixtapes.
Inspite of paying $29.99 for a CD.
This is not new.
When the Telegraph first came out, newspapers sued them non-stop. Slowly they realized that they could create Reuters which would disseminate information froma single source to all newspapers.
Similar was the case with Gramaphone and Telephone. Telephone was used to pipe music to homes. Something that Edison strongly opposed as it would lead to music being heard by someone who did not pay for the same.
RIAA, MPAA and even newspapers are modern-day neocons.
They don't understand that internet stands for truly available globally.
That is why iTunes can't sell me Akon songs with an non-US indian credit card.
RIAA will not realize this because realizing this means they are out of the job.
Games in Amazon i can't buy are many. So are many Audible books.
Sigh...
Fortunately i have RS and ML.
I need content in my way when i want it. You are not willing to provide it? Fine. I will get it somehow. Don't like it? Sue me.
   

Pandora's a tease and so is Hulu - rant (2, Interesting)

RCC42 (1457439) | about 5 years ago | (#28511055)

They did this like two years ago! Either none of the /. editors knew or they forgot about it entirely.

Yeah it sucks to live in Canada for some things, Hulu too is happy to laugh in our face along with pretty much any 'convenient' or 'desirable' online method for watching TV shows. Pandora was GREAT while I was able to listen to it, very cool way to find new music, then I'm not allowed anymore because someone in a suit figured it wasn't a good idea to let Canadians (or anyone else) keep the happy status quo and that music was a bad thing to share.

Such a frustrating state of affairs for U.S. Citizens alone having to deal with complicated or over-the-top IP law in their own country let alone other people in other countries having to deal with the shitstorm that Copy"rights" are and Digital "Rights" management are as well.

When the technology exists to do something, people are going to want it and are going to take advantage of that new opportunity. Years ago back when dinosaurs ruled the land and the idea of a flat screen TV was still the twinkle in some engineer's eye... the only way to watch a show was to be there when it was on TV. That was it. Oh I guess you could buy the VHS box set but that would just be throwing money away. Nowadays I can click about a half dozen times on two websites and an hour later I can watch an entire series at exactly the pace I want to. This sort of on-demand service is already here and it's ridiculously easy. I can't think of any service or organization in history that, after making things *harder* to do would move on to success and glory.

For some reason I keep thinking about how the Gutenberg printing press made it easier to get a hold of a bible... that didn't exactly make it easier for the church to possess the hearts and minds of their followers, despite insisting that good Christians should not read a now easily accessible bible and instead leave the hard work of figuring out when and where the bible should be read to you to the goodly priests who knew better. After all, free access to knowledge* and information could be *dangerous* (but for whom?)

*Yes yes, I know that free access of information and pirating the latest episode of Desperate Housewives are not exactly the same thing... but I just wanted to rant about Pandora, that was awesome while it lasted :( (After all, we canadians need some hot music to stave off the cold and polar bears. Polar bears hate Queen, did you know? I do.)

Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511057)

This is so old news, has been for years. Welcome to the world outside the US, where we can't legally use almost any media on the net. Glad to see some US-citizens hit by it though.

Access denied (1)

KamuZ (127113) | about 5 years ago | (#28511229)

As a person who used to live in Mexico and now in Japan, i have always encountered these kind of problems and don't get your hopes up, so far i have never EVER seen a service to be available again outside from USA, so that's message could be translated as "Access denied." It sucks as USA have very cool online services which doesn't have counterparts locally.

That's why people in the UK (1)

imakemusic (1164993) | about 5 years ago | (#28511305)

use spotify

This and everything else (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28511357)

Can't see south park online or see full episodes of tv shows anywhere. even clips from shows are blocked on some sites like on some shows on Discovery. Can't rent movies on xbox, apple tv etc. There's a few online movie rental sites with a very limited catalog (20-30 movies). Can't get any proper recording boxes(want a record a show when it is available on any channel, and no microsoft media center is not an option)

Really, the best option are a RSS feed from eztv or nzbtv., a NAS(that can download too) and a Popcorn Hour media player. Then you can see the shows you want, when you want it even if they don't broadcast them in your country.

The TV and movie business are repeating the failures of the music industry(at least in scandinavia). I am sick and tired of seeing messages like this everywhere. http://martinklasch.blogspot.com/2008/10/cartoons-sorry-scandinavia.html [blogspot.com]

I have seen that Discovery Channel now are sending some TV shows without a year or two in delay. For examples shows like mythbusters are only a month behind or something like that.

No Hulu or Pandora in Canada (1)

KoldFusion77 (1225930) | about 5 years ago | (#28511429)

No Hulu or Pandora in Canada. And so, I use the news groups and torrents.

Failboat (Pirateboat) sails again? (1)

icsx (1107185) | about 5 years ago | (#28511687)

I don't really get the idea they are after while blocking internet radios, YouTube videos and other services from people outside of US. That's like shooting yourself in a leg. Do i need to go pirate to listen and hear this stuff on them? Seriously, these people should get their heads out of ass already.
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