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Boxee vs. Zinc vs. Hulu

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the we-had-to-invent-tv-and-we-liked-it dept.

Television 116

For those with a Windows PC and some time for TV, DeviceGuru writes "Which is the best Internet media streaming application for a media-center PC? Boxee, Zinc, or the new Hulu Desktop? A post at DeviceGuru.com reviews these three media streaming platforms and draws some interesting conclusions. Key pros and cons are tabulated and numerous screenshots are included. Interestingly, despite lots of Boxee hype, Zinc already has a number of valuable features that Boxee is scrambling to add to its next version, due out in the fall. On the other hand, Boxee boasts far more third-party content-access applications support."

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None of them (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512577)

Since stupid rights managements mean they're only usable in one country.

Too bad, Untermensch! (0, Flamebait)

Reasoned Mind (1554009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512591)

You're just sad you don't live in the the greatest nation God ever created on the Earth.

Suck my American cock.

Re:Too bad, Untermensch! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512687)

Thanks! Reading your post made me happy again - for not living there!

Was that really necessary? (0, Offtopic)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512717)

Ah, what amazing bravado Mr Internet has.

Now go back to paying your taxes for all your military and big business handouts.

Re:Was that really necessary? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512815)

Right, because there are no taxes in Europe...

Re:Was that really necessary? (0, Offtopic)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512935)

Yeah fair enough, my point wasn't particular about taxes, tho.

It was about the crazy emphasis the U.S.A. puts on military spending [globalsecurity.org] and how much corporate welfare [thenewamerican.com] is going on courtesy of Mr Taxpayer - all at the same time we hear "U.S.A. No 1 - U.S.A. No 1" and it starts to get old real quick.

In fact I'm an idiot for biting the troll hand but I guess I snapped this one time.

Re:Was that really necessary? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512997)

You know, Russia has you guys by the balls. They could cut off your oil supply at any moment. Then who do you think you would come crying to? That's right, the USA. You have the benefit of being able to stand behind an ally who casts a very large shadow. So show some God damned respect, you fucking coward.

Re:Was that really necessary? (0, Offtopic)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513025)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Nice one. I'm a print it out and use it as toilet paper. Thanks.

Re:Was that really necessary? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28514461)

That's the biggest pile of horse crap. Most of our oil comes from the Middle East, just like yours. The difference is that we don't kill innocent women and children to steal the oil. The American economy is in decline because most Americans are living in poverty and cannot afford fuel and housing.

Re:Was that really necessary? (0, Offtopic)

opiv6ix (1033966) | more than 5 years ago | (#28516283)

Hold on. I don't agree with about any of the above comments, but let's be clear, we never stole any oil. Our gas prices have gone up to 4 times higher than they were before the invasion of Iraq. Clearly we're not getting any deals on it. Secondly, it wasn't just us. The UN was with us for the operation. Lastly, I can't say that there haven't been unfortunate casualties of war. For that I am truly sorry. But I continue to support the soldiers, even if I don't support the administration. If you talk to any American soldier, they'll be glad to tell you how they're making a difference over there, and how pulling out now will create anarchy. Every soldier I've talked to is extremely proud of the job they did/are doing. We're not some country of murderous thieves. We probably over extend ourselves with so much foreign aid to so many countries. So please, think before you throw out such abusive comments.

Re:Was that really necessary? (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 5 years ago | (#28517489)

Dude, it is "Vietnam II". Accept it and move on. You can't win a religious war unless you are willing to go full genocide. Sorry, that is just the way it is. You DO realize the Shia and Sunni have been killing themselves for ...what? 800 years now? They have been killing each other for longer than the USA has been a country, and you think you can stop that?

The ONLY way Saddam was able to keep those three groups in line was by digging mass graves and putting anyone who looked at him funny in them. You could stay there for 100 years, blowing cash that we don't have like a hooker with a stolen CC and racking up dead Americans and Iraqs and in the end? They'll just keep on coming. And five minutes after you finally accept it is "Vietnam II" and pull out the Shia and Sunni will go right back to killing each other as they have for centuries. It was and is nothing but a waste of American lives and money. Where have we seen this before? Oh yeah, Vietnam. Except in Vietnam we actually had a better chance of winning than we do now. Give it up already.

Re:Was that really necessary? (-1, Offtopic)

Custard Horse (1527495) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512953)

At least we in the UK can see where our taxes are being spent - you know, with all the CCTV ;-)

Re:Too bad, Untermensch! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512863)

Do you have a non-American version I can suck?

Re:Too bad, Untermensch! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513175)

You prefer foreskins, I take it?

Re:Too bad, Untermensch! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513613)

I am an American. And you are the reason I choose to live in Germany.
At least they have some dignity and tolerance here.

(waiting for godwins law, 3, 2, 1, ...)

Obongo's schizophrenic foreign policy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512873)

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10610217 [cbs8.com]

FTFA: "Test data will be used by United States Strategic Command planners and Department of Energy laboratories."

Translation: we were testing our ability to protect ourselves from a N. Korean missile launch. Gee Obongo, I thought the Missile Defense Shield was an overpriced toy, and unnecessary in a world where all megalomaniacal dictators can be appeased with a Kumbayah letter-writing campaign or YouTube video from you. After all, you DID deride it as unproven technology during the presidential campaign, and then proceeded to axe $1.2bn from the program's budget once you took office. Why the sudden change of heart? Let me guess: you had to take of the rose-colored glasses once you were the one behind the desk receiving daily threat briefings and making decisions about the safety of a quarter of a billion citizens. I'll bet the disconnect between reality and your world view was so great that you laid awake in bed sweating for nights on end, thinking, "Oh shit, how can I pull this off without looking like Bush, and without having the next 9-11 happen on my watch, or without laying the groundwork for a massive successful terrorist attack like Clinton did?"

Re:None of them (0, Redundant)

AtomicJake (795218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512897)

Since stupid rights managements mean they're only usable in one country.

Seconded.

Re:None of them (5, Interesting)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512911)

Agreed that they aren't too useful for me, but Boxee does torrents and runs on Linux, so it's really my only choice of the three.

Re:None of them (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513061)

Insert eye-roll here. *sigh*

Re:None of them (2, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512977)

Why isn't there some company in another country trying to do the same thing? Won't be as much American TV, obviously, but surely there are European companies trying to make a European(-country) version of Boxee/Hulu/Zinc.

Re:None of them (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514219)

As an American with taste, I'm not interested in american TV.

i actually find that the BBC and stuff made in Australia are far better and less "stupefied" than the crap we get here.

Seriously, the Us population Must be drooling morons if you base it on what is poplar on our TV networks.

Re:None of them (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514605)

There's good stuff everywhere. Despite the fact that most of the stuff on Hulu is garbage, I still find plenty of good, fun stuff to watch. You needn't be so condescending. It's not like Britain and Australia and everywhere else doesn't have garbage TV, too.

Now, if there were a way to get BBC stuff via a Hulu-like service, I would be in hog heaven. But there's always Netflix, and for those series I really love, buying the DVDs. We have the complete Red Dwarf, Jeeves and Wooster, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Planet Earth, The Future Is Wild, and some others.

Re:None of them (1)

protologix (1395243) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515721)

Just wandering, (if you've seen any) what do you think of Canadian comedy and TV? As one of the very few people in Southern Ontario who actually knows what the term "Americanization" means, I'd like to hear the opinion of say Corner Gas of someone with taste living in the middle of the Televised hellhole. Its bad enough that a good 95% of what I get up here is Americanized, I'd like to know if what little distinction remains is actually good or if I'm just holding on to the last bit of non mainstream American TV here and convincing myself its good.

Re:None of them (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515925)

Zattoo? [zattoo.com]

Re:None of them (3, Informative)

daybot (911557) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513237)

I use Hulu from the UK through the Witopia VPN [witopia.net] service. Such services totally break IP-based location checking systems.

Re:None of them (1)

Blade (1720) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513591)

I tried a couple of VPN solutions, they did work but performance was terrible.

Re:None of them (1)

fedcb22 (1215744) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514713)

Depends where you are. I found myself a nice VPS on the US east coast for $7 a month with unmetered bandwidth. I manage to get 150KB/s to it from South Africa, combining this with FoxyProxy allows me to watch YouTube videos and the like faster than through my normal connection.

Re:None of them (3, Informative)

musicalwoods (1115347) | more than 5 years ago | (#28518501)

Since stupid rights managements mean they're only usable in one country.

Uhm, Boxee has the BBC iPlayer for use in the UK, is actively trying to get Canadian content, and has many "Apps" that are location agnostic.

Enough is enough (-1, Flamebait)

geegel (1587009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512607)

Urgh... Why do people insist on using some overhyped, bloated services that only work in US? My favorite applications of this type are those that can be open neatly in an FF tab, without taking up half of my RAM and which reside in countries where **AA is just a funky notion those crazy Americans keep babbling about.

Re:Enough is enough (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513123)

Well when firefox's bloated memory consumption is taking 75% of your RAM, taking half is nearly impossible ;)

Re:Enough is enough (1)

geegel (1587009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513165)

Well when firefox's bloated memory consumption is taking 75% of your RAM, taking half is nearly impossible ;)

Touche! I guess I should've mentioned that it depends on how much RAM you have to begin with and how many plugins your FF has. But come on, strong principled opinions should never stumble with these little pesky details :)

Re:Enough is enough (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514291)

Urgh... Why do people insist on using some overhyped, bloated services that only work in US? My favorite applications of this type are those that can be open neatly in an FF tab, without taking up half of my RAM and which reside in countries where **AA is just a funky notion those crazy Americans keep babbling about.

Because those of us in the US that want to watch US tv show content legally have to either go to the web site, or use one of the aforementioned programs? Besides, Hulu's desktop app is basically a shell around their Flash content, the overhead is nothing above and beyond the Flash CPU overhead itself. Oh, and Zinc is available as a Firefox plugin, and can be opened neatly in a FF tab.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

geegel (1587009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514797)

Because those of us in the US that want to watch US tv show content legally have to either go to the web site, or use one of the aforementioned programs? Besides, Hulu's desktop app is basically a shell around their Flash content, the overhead is nothing above and beyond the Flash CPU overhead itself. Oh, and Zinc is available as a Firefox plugin, and can be opened neatly in a FF tab.

Erm... technically speaking, watching streamed content of any kind is not illegal. It may be a whole array of other things, but illegal... no way. The burden lies with those that upload the content. Otherwise you would see a lot of YouTube users sued to smithereens. As for the "bloated" aspect, I must concede this point. Every time I see one of these interfaces my mind jumps straight to Vuze, but I admit that others with similar look might be less of a memory hog. I haven't tested any of them, so yes I admit I could be wrong.

Netcraft confirms: *BSD is Dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512645)

(Note: We are not a GOP-sters, Republicans or affiliated with any parties, and as George Washington warned against parties We do not believe in parties and, unlike most people, We evaluate every issue on a case by case basis and do not defer to the judgments of politicians who are corrupted and untrustworthy as a group.)

Obama is controlled by the same people as Bush see The Obama Deception documentary [youtube.com]

Yuan Forwards Show China May Buy Fewer Treasuries, UBS Says [bloomberg.com]
Anemic Treasury auction effects felt beyond bonds [reuters.com]
The Sherminator Kicks Some Wall Street Ass [dailybail.com]
China Angry That Fed Is Deliberately Destroying The Dollar [bloomberg.com]
China suggests switch from dollar as reserve currency [bbc.co.uk]
What are the reserve currencies? [wsj.net]
Anatomy of a taxpayer giveaway to investors [ml-implode.com]
Geithner rescue package 'robbery of the American people' [telegraph.co.uk]
Geithner just put only the rich in Titanics lifeboats [examiner.com]
Geithner Plan Will Rob US Taxpayers [cnbc.com]
A False Choice [viewfromsi...valley.com]
Bargain-hunting house buyers wearing on sellers ajc.com [ajc.com]
Time to Take the Steering Wheel out of Geithner's Hands [alternet.org]
Socialising and Privatising [freeradical.co.nz]
Fannie, Freddie to pay out bonuses [politico.com]
Fitch Raises Prime Jumbo Loan Loss Estimates Sharply [researchrecap.com]

Chinas central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund [ft.com]

- Russia on an new world reserve currency: It is necessary to work out and adopt internationally recognized standards for macroeconomic and budget policy, which are binding for the leading world economies, including the countries issuing reserve currencies - the Kremlin proposals read. [en.rian.ru]

- President Barack "The Teleprompter" Obama is deeply connected to corruption. Rahm Emanuel, his Chief of Staff, is radical authoritarian statist whose father was part of the murderous civilian-killing Israeli terrorist organization known as IRGUN who is obsessed with gun control and compulsory service to the country in a capacity which he has yet to define. (Think brown-shirts.) Barack is intimately connected to disgraced Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich (Rahm inherited Rod's federal-congress seat). Barack Obama is also connected to William Ayers (who ghost-wrote his books); Ayers is a man who promotes the concept that civilian collateral damage is ok in a war against freedom. Saul Alinsky, a man who made the quote as follows, "From all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer," is a man who had much influence on the young Barack Obama. A man who admired Lucifer for gaining his own kingdom in an act of rebellion. Barack also subscribed to Preacher Jeremiah Wright, who is himself a Afro-elitist who wants all the people who largely "pay the freight" to suffer at the hands of angry African-American mobs. There are over 30 million Americans on food stamps, and more blacks are in prison and on food-stamps per capita than anyone else. The problem with Wright is simply this: the facts are "racist." There is no conspiracy against African Americans here by citizens.
- Obama - AIPAC-bootlicker, corrupted to the bone Chicago-style and a traitor to the US Constitution and a liar whose real "legal" name could very well be Barry Sotero and an Indonesian citizen (The US does not allow plural citizenship) (If you care, not that it matters anymore under a lawless authoritarian totalitarian regime such as Barack Obama's, you can see more here at an aggregator; obamacrimes.info [obamacrimes.info] )
- Raytheon lobbyist in Pentagon, many lobbyists getting exemptions even though Obama promised not to have them. This is one of many things Obama has lied about.
- Goldman Sachs insider second in command at Treasury. Bumbling tax cheat idiot Timothy Geithner in "command" of Treasury, with 17 positions unfilled as of late March 2009.
- Obama's cabinet has had several nominees and appointees with multiple tax fraud issues.
- Obama lied about having a new degree of accountability and a "sunshine" period for new laws; Obama has signed bills with little or no time for public review at whitehouse.gov as promised. In fact, one of the largest spending bills in US history was passed into law with several members of the House and Senate telling the public there was no time to review the bill, let alone the public.
- Pork Spendulus Bill (The Stimulus Bill) contained language that came directly from Tom Daschle (who published a book detailing his machinations to slip healthcare under the radar in some back portion of a budgeting bill). This language included the funding and authority to set up a central database of all medical treatments rendered, and the Stimulus bill also contains language that alters the Medicare-style instructions to doctors: The most economic treatments should now be used, no longer use the treatments with the most efficacy. Rationed health care, courtesy of a disgraced tax cheat, Tom Daschle. When you relatives are dying in a state hospital because their quota was reached, see how you feel.
- Obama appointed a Second-Amendment violating-denying Rich-pardoning treasonist Eric Holder as AG, a man who helped a fugitive evade justice and thinks of Americans and cowardly racists.
- Obama has put no money at all in for a single new nuclear power plant but wants to help bridges and roads - apparently to promote more driving.
- Obama, Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel have a lot to hide. They literally lived very close to each other, Rahm had (until being Obama's Chief of staff) Blagojevich's old federal congressional seat. Blagojevich helped "The Teleprompter" Obama cheat his way to the Illinois senate by getting other candidates thrown off the ballot in Illinois. Why do you think Blagojevich was so mad? Obama did owe him, big time. Rahm and Obama are preemptively using Blagojevich and trying to publically malign and discredit him because he has information that can bring Obama and Rahm Emanuel down. This is the true face of Obama, ruthless, calculating conniving cheat that will stop at nothing to gain and retain power at any cost breaking any rule.
- Tony Rezko, Iraqi Arms Dealer Nahdmi Auchi, and of course Aiham Alsammarae. Barack "The Teleprompter" Obama is so corrupted it's a joke. He is connected to international arms dealers, shady property dealings and people of ill repute to gain what he needs from them: financial bootstrapping of his campaign to rule America.
- Fools and "useful idiots" twist the US Federal Budget pie charts by leaving welfare, workfare, interest on debt, social security, Medicare and Medicaid out and focusing only on non-whole "discretionary" pie charts.
2007 high level pie chart, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
2009 Pie chart, detailed, Federal Budget, USA [wikimedia.org]
Now Obama wants to drastically expand the areas of the budget which are getting the most funding by far. There is simply not enough money to fund the obligations made to the public thus far (Unfunded debt obligations which are to pay for the guarantees of social security), let alone Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and other social spending which seeks to guarantee a standard of living to people which is lower what they could gain for themselves. This is an attempt to break the middle class' back so they now need government aid to survive.
- Barack Obama is drastically increasing spending and creating more entitlements that will make the US less competitive (especially against China, India, East Europe/Russia). This will be a huge disaster and "change you can believe in" will strap you, your children and your grandchildren with more debt. "No taxation without representation!" Obama is spending money for the next two-three generations and they can't even vote yet, or even have been born. This is co-opting those who cannot vote to pay for this man's reckless and illegal endeavor to make everyone a feudal serf of the federal government.
- An alternative to the dollar and a forex and a reserve currency came up at the last G20 meeting. The world will not take faith in Obama's liar-socialist spending and welfare state, why should the taxpayers (plebian citizen-slaves of a police state)?
- The spending going on now vastly eclipses all previous spending. In fact, the massive trillion plus debts is a thing of the 80's onwards. Congress signs the checks, remember that year after year, as egregious as the pentagon spending is, that the social spending is completely a waste of money and it is unfunded over the long term. Eisenhower built the interstate highway system, the USA could build a new power infrastructure with this money but instead this money is being pissed into creating more of an entitlement system that is still unfunded, and without massive head-taxes and far more aggressive progressive taxes, could never be funded.
- The budgeting being done today were recently reported by a non-partisan auditing commission will lead to about 10 TRILLION in new debt over the next 10 years. Obama is going to double the national debt while doing nothing to address the unfunded debt obligations of Social Security, or address any of the out of control egregious spending going on today via the budgets, the federal reserve and its taxation via inflation, or by bailouts and stimulus bills. This is the worst, most unintelligent and most hated congress in the history of the United States, and we have a seriously incompetent and potentially dangerous-to-the-free-constitutional-republic Barack Obama rubber stamping this bloody mess.
- Clinton appointed David Walker of the GAO, he recently quit; the unfunded debt obligations have rendered the USA insolvent according to accounting standards. The USA is already broke and cannot conceivably pay its obligations today.
Taxpayers on the hook for $59 trillion [usatoday.com]
US Public Debt Unfunded Debt Obligations [wikipedia.org]
- Most of the world population gets nothing from their governments, or a very bare minimum or services that benefit only the upper echelons of society. However, the liar Barack Obama says the USA needs his universal "state-hospital" rationed health care to be competitive. This is pure folderol and a lie. China and India give nothing, and they are the biggest threat to the American worker. By forcing healthcare and higher taxes, Americans will be less competitive.

- If you think 60% tax rates end to end (income, accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, excise tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capital gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, airport and FAA taxes and fees, estate tax, misc internet sales tax and many more taxes that I can't recall at the moment) will make the US competitive, along with compulsory programs to provide everyone with health care is going to make the US competitive in the age of India and China, you are incapable of understanding what it takes to build and maintain a successful industrialized republic.

- As the US nationalizes/rations healthcare to the least common denominator of affordability without regard to efficacy, people with money will simply look into medical tourism so those with money can go to medical parks in India and get real health care. Those who have lived in Canada or in the UK can tell you "free" healthcare is not a panacea. If you think this, you are again, a useful idiot. The NHS in the UK has given bad blood and Hepatitis and AIDS infected blood to people, and Jade Goody who just died was misdiagnosed twice resulting in her death (She was "all cleared" twice of the cervical cancer which she just died of). The NHS in the UK is not able to be sued or held accountable. Neither will Obama's rationed health care service for America.
- Sorry to bust the socialist bubble, but support of these types of policies will simply lower the standard of living in the USA, particularly for the middle class. At least at the end of the Eisenhower projects the USA got roads to show for the spending, and with this new spending, the USA could have built power plants that get the USA out of funding the middle east via constant demand for middle-eastern oil, but the age of government for the sake of government is upon us, and the useful idiots line up and believe empty promises.
- The pentagon along with Bechtel, Kroll, Bluewater, Halliburton, etc, could get less than half of what they get today, but that will fix nothing fundamental in terms of government spending. It is simply not enough to make a difference when compared to the Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security entitlements.
See: YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy [youtube.com]
- If Obama thinks its ok to lie to 300 million people about being able to "take care of them" without even being honest about what that care would look like, then being an idiot and believing in Obama is for you.
- The head of the IRS and the head of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner, is a Tax Cheat
- Lied about no lobbyists - their numbers are growing within Obama's ranks as he issues exemptions.
- The US Government already has over 50% of the budget spent on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security. Socialists: Good job on that one, its working great. Solution to the current near-collapse-due-to-over-spending: add more unfunded entitlements! And this is still a "George Bush" budget. Over half is being spend on Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, workfare and social security.
- This man is such a propagandist that he invented "The Office of the President Elect," the seals, the flags, the podium and that forum was all props and the media never once questioned any of it. It was an invention. This is the power of Obama, technicalities and rules do not apply.
- The Socialist-liars can break my spirit and my financial back to force me to "need" a federal government that is turning this country into a police state and is turning it into a quasi-socialist lie, but I will, I must put up a fight. I have kids to educate and feed, and the stuff the pseudo-socialist authoritarian Obama sells (which is failing to various degrees everywhere else as implemented) is simply forcing a culture of failure on a once great, libertarian free country.
- I will not be complacent with your "change," and there will be a point where civil war will become an option. See how hard you can push before you get it. How much more than half can the truly productive workers in this country afford to pay. Keep pushing to find out how to start a civil war. The scariest thing about Obamabots is the amount of pleasure they derive from completely defying the US Constitution and giving the government non-enumerated non-extant powers to rule over everyone's quality of life.
- The socialist-lie of a plan will not work, its not fundable, it will destroy the currency to fund it, and its really as simple as this: if this insanity is funded by borrowing from the US's economic and military adversaries then Obama and his socialist cabal is not fit to administrate society. Rome fell. Kings who mis-manged their treasuries all fell. Every example of unhinged spending leads to the same result: systemic collapse.
- Obama and his sycophantic lunatics would want to have a civil war to get Obama's way and force the socialist-lie system on my already tax paying law abiding ass. And as far as "no new taxes" for those under 250k, its a lie, the tax is called inflation, which is set to begin just about now that the Chinese wont want the USA's worthless treasuries to fund the socialist-lie fantasy (one that COMMUNIST China doesn't even try and sell to its people!) Also, what Obama fails to mention is the states are now compelled to implement his new rules, and to follow the rules the states must raise taxes. Obama may not tax those under 250k, but every last one of the 50 states will.
- Barack Obama's numbers don't add up. There is a $59 trillion dollar hole (UFDO) in social security alone. AIG $150 billion here, TARP $350 billion there. $800 billion for a highly dubious pork laden stimulus package. Another one on the way. $59 trillion hole in the balance sheet IGNORED. China saying they aren't going to buy treasuries, calling for new reserve currencies, Clinton clamoring to find buyers now. $3.6 trillion dollar budget, potential military action on Mexico, Iran still a "terrorist state" at the behest of the AIPAC, spending up, dollar about to fall, inflation over time since Breton Woods extremely easy to document, yet, the socialist-liars question when the numbers (the Federal Government numbers) simply don't add up to the point where if the US-GOV was a company it would be insolvent.
-How dare the taxpayers question what Barack Obama's drastic spending increases are going to do to the purchasing power of our savings because Barack Obama wants to recklessly spend and try to maintain and American empire AND guarantee a standard of living, and Obama doesn't even want to build a single nuclear power plant to do it? Barack Obama must be a complete and total lunatic moron at best. He is a man child, akin to Michael Jackson, who does not live in the real world. This guy has turned the White House into a Neverland Ranch.
- Obama is either a negligent idiot or an unhinged maniac with delusional fantasies. Meanwhile, Obama's tax dodging Treasury Secretary has 17 unfilled positions, the Treasury Dept. isn't even functioning at this point while the rest of the world steadily loses faith in one of the two things that makes the USA relevant in the world at all: the dollar as a "hard" or reserve currency and the US military.
- "General welfare" in the constitution was, according to the man who wrote it, Madison, meant to be extremely limited in scope. The federal government per the constitution doesn't even have the enumerated POWER to deal with economic messes. A lot of these "POWERS" were created while there is a crisis to dupe the public into accepting an un-constitutional authoritarian regime as the government and to usurp authority over the people.
- The USA is a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to eat a sheep. Also a constitutional republic isn't about using a barely-majority or a plurality to stuff your (un-fundable disastrous) crap down the disenfranchised other-half's throat.
- With Obama's authoritarian corrupted criminal (aiding and abetting a criminal in flight of prosecution, Rich case) Eric Holder in charge, we won't have our inalienable and enumerated rights to firearms much longer. For a constitutional law expert, Obama must have never read the federalist papers or he would simply hand himself as a traitor. Already there is talk of banning firearms to help Mexico's fight against the cartels. What they fail to mention is the firearms that are being used there are Mexican Military firearms being used by those who defected from the Mexican Army into the cartels directly! The firearms in question were sold to the Mexican military, over 170,000 soldiers are gone with the guns. And now the US citizens have to give up inalienable and enumerated rights? This is insanity.
- The arbitrary expansion of "general welfare" is not only unconstitutional, it may very well lead to a serious conflict on the issue.
- Here is a debate on general welfare and how stuff like this came to pass, but was clearly no intended by the authors of the document of root law.
In Federalist No. 41, James Madison asked rhetorically: "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?" (In reference to the general welfare clause)
So strongly did the founders believe that "general welfare" wouldn't be expanded as written:
In Federalist No. 84, Alexander Hamilton indirectly confirmed Madison's point. (That the "general welfare" clause was "clearly" not a free pass for government)
Hamilton argued that a bill of rights, which many were clamoring for, would be not only unnecessary, but dangerous. Since the federal government was given only a few specific powers, there was no need to add prohibitions: it was implicitly prohibited by the listed powers. If a proposed law a relief act, for instance wasn't covered by any of these powers, it was unconstitutional.
"why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
Hamilton goes on to argue that making Amendments (e.g., enumerating Free speech, press and assembly) and enumerating the 'right' would have the following effect:
(A bill of rights) "would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power that is, a power to regulate the press, short of actually shutting it down. "
"With respect to the words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison [The US Supreme Court has found the meaning of "general welfare" in the Constitution to be much more elastic than did Mr. Madison. But as the "author of the Constitution," what does he know?]
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

        If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government , and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...--The Declaration of Independence
- Monetizing failures causes more. Japan showed us this for decades. But hey, Barack Obama is actually dumb enough to think you can fix a problem DECADES in the making with a quick fixer-upper. He is screwed in the head or, more likely, lying to the American public to quickly get done the things he wants to get done before he gets thrown out on his ass.
- The complaints are with the Federal government (in general) since Breton Woods. The Federal Government and Obama's minions STILL didn't listen to David Walker, a Clinton appointee and former head of the GAO. This isn't about political parties anymore- its about spending the future to the point where today collapses. History is replete with examples of fiat currencies and deficit spending leading to collapse.
- Show me a single federal budget that was less than the previous. If this $3.6T budget goes, it is never coming back barring systemic collapse. The only President to ever see the US Public Debt at $0 dollars is Andrew Jackson.
- The United States Federal Government, The United States Federal Reserve, and the banks which were enabled to continue down reckless paths by a quasi government agency known as the Federal Reserve whose actions are not subject to congress and whose members are unelected. This situation is untenable and unconstitutional.
- Every inflationary road taken in history ends in collapse. Keynesian policies are widely regarded as no longer workable. And while Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, David Walker, Nouriel Roubini, Warren Buffet and Jim Rodgers warn about or predict all the failures, people still refuse to listen to the possibility that the US economy may contract for many years, and spending at these levels is something that can give way to a collapse.
- Inflation is a tax: What ignorant tax and spenders don't take into account here is the relative percentages of people's wealth (both net and gross) and the costs of owning and maintaining houses, cars, standards of living.
- Inflation via deficit spending is going to make it such that you will be paying a lot more by percentage of your income to maintain a given standard of living. Obama's arguments are so poorly thought out and seek to blame "Republicans" for the mess, its really simply laughable - this unhinged budgeting and currency management crisis needs cleanup now, not worsening.
- You can't spend your way out of a hole if the creditors (e.g. China) start telling the USA they won't buy. It is that simple. Now America starts to have to collateralize the debt with assets. The USA will be selling off chunks of American assets to back the new debt. One day, it may even be necessary to sell Alaska back to Russia because no one will take greenbacks to prop up a failing version of a modern Rome.
- Ah, here we go with the Matthew Lesko arguments. [lesko.com]
Interest rates were on the rise before the government stepped in with free money for everyone (the fine print of course indicate massive strings attached).
Other economies, for example, India, have the central rates set to far more reasonable/realistic rates (at the moment ~ 8+%), which is still tends to be too low, but shows that if you need someone else capital you need to pay a premium for it, and given that capital is in short supply, it would stand to reason that a premium must be charged for it.
The problem is the unrealistic growth rates of mature economies don't allow for profiting via growth projections (rather than simply earning money). So the government steps in, turns on the free money spigot, gets the interest rates for savings down in the 1-2% range while diluting the value of the whole currency in order to prop up dying companies that ran the business like a Madhoff Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes need new money or they cease to exist. This is why the Federal Reserve is trying to issue more Reserve Notes. Without this fresh input of printed money, the Ponzi scheme will collapse.
- The Republicans aren't solely responsible for the crisis as Obama's minions would have you believe, congress is (no particular congress), the Executive of the US government (no particular one) and the US Federal Reserve System are all at fault.
- Fundamentally, the government is trying to fix the prices of various things to "make it all work." This pulling on the invisible hand is a fools venture. It was predicted long ago the housing collapse (and those, such as myself, in the know, wished while realizing the housing collapse coming that we were wrong for everyone's sake - but the truth is the truth) . It may be that the Austrian (von Mises) economists will ultimately be proven right.
- We are a nation of partially educated whiney grabby idiots, and we got the government that represents this. The Chinese, India and other up and coming nations will show no mercy for this arrogant abuse of our status as the world's forex reserves.
- War and asset sales will continue to be the only option for this scheme until it is corrected at the core. And to say that the government has already averted a depression by doing what they did (most of the monies injected wont be "felt" for some time), is just arrogance and stupidity. Price fixing prolonged the Great Depression. Price-fixing (or attempting to) houses will do the same, but probably worse.
- Obama's minions simply don't care if the US is bankrupted and rendered insolvent, they just want a say in how its done, presumably to "feel safe." Rather selfish.

        "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." AND "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (Possibly Richard Jackson)

- Everyone better realize that inflation will pay a major role in funding un-fundable fantasies, wiping the savers and the middle class out. The problem is, that other countries are growing tired of making our Federal Reserve notes worth something by buying our debt as treasuries. Obama's minions talk about spending, but in order to "get what YOU want" you will sell debt to potential economic and military adversaries? Real bright. What's really sad is that despite David Walker being an authority on these issues, people refuse to even watch him and listen to what he is saying. Instead of seeing the truth and the bottom line of the unfunded debt obligations, they want HOPE and CHANGE, which are simply concepts which the foolish change into their own personal hopes and changes, but Obama never bothered to outline what to hope for exactly or what he will be changing.
- We have a fraud, a huckster, an empty suit for a President, a Community Organizer. This man does not have the ability to formulate an original thought, or to command action. He is a know nothing that lives in a pretend world just like Michael Jackson ensconced himself in Neverland ranch, he will hide behind those who surround him, which happen to be incompetent people who have no compunction about spending the country into oblivion to achieve personal agendas.
- On the success of Canada and its form of Socialism: A huge country like Canada with massive amounts of uranium and tar sands and natural resources and a huge land mass with a scant 30 million people is an order of magnitude less of a problem to manage than a country with 10x its population, a serious leaky southern border, backfiring aggressive foreign policy, particularly with Iran, and the US is competing with countries like India and China whose middle classes are larger than the US's entire population. The top 5 students in every Indian and Chinese primary school out numbers all the kids in primary school in the US. Canada is a idyllic island, the USA is front and center in an all out economic and political clash of ideologies.
- Cap and trade (and pollution control for solving global problems) will never work unless the top 10 countries in the world (in terms of GDP, manufacturing capacity and population) are on board. Period. end. If the world doesn't quickly move to nuclear now and fusion shortly, it is over. Possibly not if every home on the planet gets a wind vane, but that seems unlikely to happen (since its possible now).
- Keynes calls it "the paradox of thrift" and suggested that policies forcing people not to save is a "good idea." The guy wanted people spending all the time, or if he didn't, he never conveyed that to his protégés well enough for them to not do what they are doing. Right now the plebeians in the US are actually stashing cash, and everyone from Obama to the media is trying to get people to spend spend spend. The best thing for the long term is for people to prepare for the coming hell, not set out with no reserves.
- I have seen Keynes invoked to justify nearly every bad move in the past decade, and its warming up to be a potential currency collapse, the collapse of the US Treasury and Federal Reserve notes, and a collapse of the NYSE. And then they invoke Keynes to suggest the best way out of the mess is to spend out of an already near-critically debt massed black hole.
- A house is run like a town is run like a country or business is run like a state is run like a government. If there are things the government is doing that would either force your home into bankruptcy or into jail via fraud charges, then the government and banks shouldn't be operating in that fashion. A certain degree of stretchy liquidity is in order, but in terms of percent of GDP, there is no way of justifying what they US has now.
- Iceland failed at 850 percent debt to GDP. The US is at 350 and rising. It is not a good thing at all.
- What is happening to the dollar as a forex standard. [youtube.com]
- March 19, 2009 C-SPAN - "Let's Quit Destroying Our Dollar!" [youtube.com]
- HR 1207 (A bill to make the Fed more accountable and to answer questions regarding the dollar policy) [loc.gov]

Title: Obama sidetracked by fiscal mess, but presses on [yahoo.com]
"Being heard above the din may prove difficult. Lawmakers are wrangling over taxing people who got big bonuses and worrying the president's budget could generate $9.3 trillion in red ink over the next decade."
- Kremlin to pitch new global currency [infowars.com]
Russia proposes creation of global super-reserve currency.

        In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Re:Netcraft confirms: *BSD is Dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28515479)

Whenever I see someone say they're not part of any party, it usually means they're Libertarians, which in effect means they're right wing extremists (read "Republican base"), and vote Republican every chance they get. Their major goal is to dismantle government,and, in effect, make America an "every man for himself" country. The eventual result would be American warlords as the strong take every advantage of the weak. We're halfway there already with so called "free market" ideology.

Re:Netcraft confirms: *BSD is Dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28516603)

And you solution is bloated government, wasting your money, making it pointless to work hard to improve yourself because what you gain is confiscated to give to those who don't produce anyway. The constitution was written to protect every individual who truly desires to succeed. It has long since been bastardized to turn the U.S. into a socialist state an that will always fail.

Zinc (3, Funny)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512649)

Wasn't Zinc just proved to cause loss of smell in people? Then I guess you wouldn't be able to tell if it stinks or not!

Re:Zinc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28517379)

Oh come on, mod parent up if you have a sense of humor!

Fixed (5, Insightful)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512675)

"For those US residents with a Windows PC and some time for TV"

There, fixed.

As a non-US resident, Mininova is still the best bang for the buck to me.

Re:Fixed (3, Informative)

azior (1302509) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512869)

slashdot focuses mainly on the us, but i'd like to see statistics of their userbase... i wouldn't be surprised that alot of users are from other countries, as google would seem to indicate: http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org [google.com]

Re:Fixed (1)

NoMoreFood (783406) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513013)

Unusual behavior. I follow the link you sent and if I continuously click 'Search Trends' on slashdot.org (as you provided), I see a noticeably larger spike randomly appear in 2007 Q4. Maybe a graphic rendering issue? Can anyone reproduce this?

Re:Fixed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28514593)

you are right. does the same thing to me.

Re:Fixed (1)

JohnRoss1968 (574825) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514975)

So a lot of users are from other countries besides the USA. What do you want, something besides a biased viewpoint. Going with a non-biased viewpoint is a slippery slope we dare not tread. It could lead to things like not turning every single headline , article , post , and UFO sighting pro linux circle jerk. PS mod me to hell, I dont care. I actually have a life outside of Slashdot.

Re:Fixed (2, Insightful)

nsebban (513339) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513783)

And yet, those big corporations keep wondering how they could make those silly non-american people pay for their content.

Re:Fixed (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515443)

Don't feel singled out. By and large they're making the american people pay for their content too.

For some it doesn't matter (3, Insightful)

paziek (1329929) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512731)

For some it doesn't matter. For example, if u are on linux, then it boils down to Boxee and... Boxee. (Assuming that crappy table in "conclusions" switched OS Support columns)
If you are outside US, then again, it limits your choice.
So, this might be relevant, but only for people living in US and using Windows.

Also, there are Linux only solutions, like for example MythTV, can't say about selection of videos there thou... I guess its small.

Re:For some it doesn't matter (2, Informative)

DeviceGuru (1136715) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513083)

(sorry guys: OSes now corrected in the table)

Re:For some it doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513115)

Yeah, for some reason the Linux support in this area is abysmal. I don't get it because Linux makes a much better system for stuff like this.

I ran MythTV for 5 years. It works decently if you record a lot of stuff from TV but it doesn't work very well as a general media player because MythVideo has (or had) no organization functionality. For example it can't group videos by the TV series name and such, or provide series and episode information.

Recently, in order to save money I canceled my cable and switched to just viewing everything off the Net. I'm having a hell of a time finding a good Linux media center though. Boxee sucks because it's 32-bit only and really feels like a closed source commercial app (I couldn't even get it to run). Currently I'm trying to use XBMC which is decent but buggy as all hell and constantly crashes. Any other ideas?

Re:For some it doesn't matter (3, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513507)

> I ran MythTV for 5 years. It works decently if you record a lot of stuff from
> TV but it doesn't work very well as a general media player because MythVideo
> has (or had) no organization functionality. For example it can't group videos
> by the TV series name and such, or provide series and episode information.

      MythVideo is basically a file manager. If you want to impose some sort of
organization on your media files, just do it. What MythVideo won't handle is
MULTIPLE ways of organizing your media files based on different keys and sort
of dynamic metadata searches.

      I'm not sure if XBMC/Boxee has this either.

      MythVideo also quite handily supports TV and Movie metadata. It's not as
slick or automated as XBMC but it's certainly there. Although it's more
accessable to simple hacks. This can easily make MythVideo a much more
usable interface.

      As far as local content goes, Boxee looks "prettier" for about 5 minutes.

      It's the web based stuff where MythTV really falls down. The plugins here
are either nonexistent, crude or abandoned.

Re:For some it doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513813)

I havent used boxee but I assume its alot like xbmc which I have used forever. Once they introduced the media library their video organization probably became the best. Once you let it scan your videos it pulls down all relevant data into its local db and from there you can sort by whatever you want pretty much; artist, title, date, genre, watched/unwatched, etc etc. They also have pretty good organization for television, though the last time I had a large amount of tv that I used it to index it had some trouble scraping and identifying episodes, but that had been a while ago and I believe they have improved on it.

Re:For some it doesn't matter (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514343)

Those features may require a bit of digging to get too. That's problematic itself.

OTOH, my cinema genres are accessable even in the Browse mode because I set them up myself.

Re:For some it doesn't matter (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514337)

Mythtv rocks for Tv recording, it utterly sucks for movies and videos. The really silly use of a DB for them makes it a PITA to add videos as you have to then go in and rescan.. BLAH.

Honestly the Videos, photos and music sections on MythTV needs to be ripped out and changed to something faster and better. XBMC kicks it's butt hard for those aspects.

Re:For some it doesn't matter (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515575)

Actually that "silly" db makes it remarkably easy to go in and "fix things".

The problem with MythTV not being automated is a matter of MythTV not being
automated. The choice of the storage mechanism really doesn't enter into it.
They just chose to implement a cumbersome manual update process that doesn't
scale up very well.

Re:For some it doesn't matter (1)

wozzinator (1079319) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515435)

What are you talking about? I'm on Linux and I think Hulu is the best of them. The only thing I don't like about it is that fullscreen is choppy on my Intel VGA chipset.

WMC plugins? (1, Interesting)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512779)

Are these stand alone apps or WMC plugins? I have a windows vista (I know, I know, but I've had a ton of issues getting mythbuntu to work and work well) box running the Media Browser [mediabrowser.tv] plugin, and it's a really awesome set up. It automatically adds my new media to its library (this is a basic WMC feature), it pulls movie posters, cast information, and all relevant metadata from IMDB... it's just all in all fantastic. I'm not looking to add another standalone program to my HTPC box, but I would be fine with adding hulu TV if it was a plugin and worked without stepping on the toes of Media Browser. The hulu site says it's optimized for WMC, but seems to indicate it is a standalone program. Does anyone have experience with it?

Re:WMC plugins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512875)

It's a standalone program, but you can set it up to run in fullscreen mode. From there it's just a matter of making a launch tie-in from within WMC that returns back to WMC on quit. I don't have the details here (have them bookmarked at home), but it's a fairly trivial thing to set up.

Re:WMC plugins? (5, Informative)

Excelcior (1390167) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512885)

Hulu Desktop is nothing more than a dedicated browser for the Hulu website. It gives you a flashier interface, smoother video playback, and [in my experience] better buffering. It's entirely Flash-based.
That having been said, I've switched over to it exclusively for my Hulu viewing. One less program running (IE) is a huge benefit on my less-than-stellar Celeron when playing full-screen video.
It does not, however, display your media library, or in any other way act like a Media Center application.

Cheers!

Re:WMC plugins? (5, Informative)

djtachyon (975314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513441)

Exactly! .. To me this is a bogus article and story. If you are going to compare something, at least try to stay in the same genre of software/services. Oh, and maybe add a few more of the well qualified choices. Hey let me give it a try!

Media Center Software:
  • Boxee/XBMC
  • Windows Media Center
  • Media Portal (I'm using now, may switch to Boxee 4 Windows)
  • Zinc
  • Beyond TV
  • MythTV
  • SageTV
  • Freevo
  • GeexBox
  • VDR
  • Cyberlink PowerCinema
  • Nero Home
  • WinDVD Media Center
  • xHub
  • Media Central
  • Centerstage
  • The list goes on and on...

Streaming Content Services:

  • Netflix
  • Hulu
  • CBS
  • BBC
  • CNN
  • Comedy Central
  • YouTube
  • etc..etc..etc..

so .. apples to apples next time?

Re:WMC plugins? (3, Funny)

Shadow-isoHunt (1014539) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513993)

Y'see this? Y'see this?!?! This is why we can't have anything nice!!!!!

Re:WMC plugins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28514249)

so salary should be based on IQ score?

I do not want to live in your world.

Re:WMC plugins? (1)

mozzis (231162) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512963)

In my experience, Zinc doesn't get in the way of WMC at all. I used Link Studio from Greenbutton.org to create a link to Zinc under More Programs, so I can even launch it with the remote from within MCE. FWIW Zinc also has a launcher for MCE in it, haven't tried it though.

Re:WMC plugins? (1)

john83 (923470) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513377)

The hulu site says it's optimized for WMC, but seems to indicate it is a standalone program. Does anyone have experience with it?

I used it while I was in the US. I found it didn't buffer nearly enough, and eventually gave up on it entirely. That was on a windows box with all the bandwidth a university provides.

Zinc Fails (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512789)

They refer to the iPod Touch as an iTouch...

Re:Zinc Fails (-1, Offtopic)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512835)

iTouch...

Don't you dare or I'll slap the back of your hand.

Plex (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28512831)

I prefer Plex over all of those. Surprised it was not included.

Re:Plex (2, Informative)

mozzis (231162) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513049)

Maybe because Plex is Mac-only.

No mention of local media support (1)

neotokyo (465238) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512857)

I tend to agree that the "social" aspect of boxee is a bit in the way in the main interface, but what the reviewer didn't mention is whether zinc or hulu do anything with local media. From the zinc website it seems like it too can scan local media like boxee, what I would have liked in the review is some coverage over how well each one worked. In my experience, boxee does a really good job at this and includes a built-in interface for correcting the mistakes (aka Wrong Video link). I do agree that boxee could use a global search, however, I'm quite happy with boxee having just converted away from a mythtv setup.

Re:No mention of local media support (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512937)

Why did you convert away? Add a menu entry to mythtv that launches boxee (literally 3 lines in an xml file) and that way when boxee crashes (which it does, its alpha) you're back to mythtv, and you can still watch live tv. That's my current setup (in the midst of a painful 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04 upgrade since boxee abandoned Ubuntu LTS [grr..]).

Re:No mention of local media support (2, Interesting)

neotokyo (465238) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513051)

Other than the livetv part, there isn't much to love in mythtv. Mythvideo is *horrible*. It doesn't have much in the way of automatically finding and acquiring metadata around your local media. The navigation menu assumes one big flat folder with everything in it. While it does work with directory trees, you end up having to click through that to get the video. Boxee really shines here -- it separates TV series from movies, and for tv shows, groups them according to season. This was exactly what I wanted. When you add new media, in myth you have to go an select scan from the setup screen while boxee is always watching for new media and it just shows up under the recently added section.

While the alpha does crash every now and then (the 0.12 has improved a lot for me) what I'm struggling with is the need for the fglrx -- the LTS fglrx support on my ati 9500 pro was horrible (freeze the screen, took 5 reboots to get stable from power on) -- I'm currently on 9.04 with xorg from 8.10 and that's been working out quite well now.

Re:No mention of local media support (2, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513771)

Actually Boxee falls down here even harder unless you are using
the Browse view in which case you are using it in the same way
that you would be using MythVideo. Separating movies from show
and then throwing them in a big pile isn't really an improvement.

Re:No mention of local media support (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514047)

Yes, but MythTV NEVER crashes. It is ROCK solid (on my hardware anyhow). I love boxee for all the reasons you mentioned, but with one click of the remote, I can relaunch it from my MythTV main menu (which is the main use myth gets now :) )

MythTV (2, Interesting)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512881)

Why settle for a bunch of DRM streaming that they will pull the run out from under you at any time. Most of the content is available to be recorded or you can rent. Either it will not have commercials or MythTV will automatically skip them. You get to pick what happens.

Re:MythTV (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513007)

How do you use MythTV without breaking the law and without having a tuner/etc in your computer? All of these sites do that quite well.

Re:MythTV (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513821)

Well of course you have a tuner in your computer.

Or you could "break the law" I suppose and buy your own content.

That would be an interesting lawsuit. One wonders if the judge would
throw it out as soon as he saw it.

"You see your honor, we want to punish this fellow because he bought
a bunch of our stuff and didn't use it in exactly the way we wanted it."

Re:MythTV (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513897)

How do you use MythTV without breaking the law and without having a tuner/etc in your computer? All of these sites do that quite well.

For over-the-area channels, you can get an hdhomerun [silicondust.com] and stream the raw transport stream via ethernet. Plays well with MythTV. [mythtv.org]

Re:MythTV (3, Insightful)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514375)

If you think you are breaking the law watching content you record you are a victim of propaganda.

Re:MythTV (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515307)

The same goes for CD or DVD rips.

This is just stupid nonsense FUD intended to make open systems look unecessarily bad.

I suppose I could just buy all of the stuff I have on DVD as iTunes files but
I would end up paying more, would be highly restricted in terms of what devices
I can play back on and I would have a lot narrower selection of videos to choose
from.

iTunes looks cool as long as you don't pay any attention to Amazon or Tivo.

Re:MythTV (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28516383)

Where did I say I had recorded anything, or that recording anything was illegal?

Reread my message again keeping in mind that those are requirements and not veiled slams on -anything-.

Re:MythTV (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28516463)

Some of us *don't* care about breaking STUPID laws.

Re:MythTV (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514613)

Why settle for a bunch of DRM streaming that they will pull the run out from under you at any time. Most of the content is available to be recorded or you can rent. Either it will not have commercials or MythTV will automatically skip them. You get to pick what happens.

The big thing is: any content you want, whenever you want, free and legal. While Cable's network OnDemand feature combats this, it's less comprehensive than Hulu.

It has a large catalog of older stuff that I cannot find (or easily find) on current Cable / Fios to record. If I'm suddenly in the mood to watch a mini-marathon of "Buck Rogers," "The A-Team" or SciFi's "The Invisible Man" I can just hop onto Hulu and view it legally. If I want to rent, then I'd have to rely on Netflix (since the Blockbusters near me don't have that stuff) and thus have to wait 2-3 days to watch it. At which point, maybe the urge has passed or I don't have the free time anymore.

It also saves some hassle on recording. Instead of waiting for the channel to air my favorite episode of "Stargate SG-1" (Window of Opportunity) so I can record it, I can watch it now. Or with a standard DVR I can record 2 shows at once, but sometimes there's a 3rd or 4th show on at the same time and they don't repeat later or might not be available on Fios OnDemand. At which point I hope onto Hulu and legally watch that 3rd or 4th show. Sure I can get another DVR or setup a MythTv box to handle the OtA content but that's more money and work than I'd like, when the content is available, free, and legal.

The DRM doesn't bother me, and neither does the 15/30/60 second commercial every 10-15minutes. However it's free, legal, and offers a LOT of content that I like

Re:MythTV (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515323)

All great until they no longer have it on their site or they decide that they are not making enough money and pull the plug. Then what are you going to do? Mythtv can still have it on a terabyte disk recorded legally (and you do know Mythtv can have as many tuners as you like right? half a dozen, no problem).

Re:MythTV (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515455)

All great until they no longer have it on their site or they decide that they are not making enough money and pull the plug. Then what are you going to do? Mythtv can still have it on a terabyte disk recorded legally (and you do know Mythtv can have as many tuners as you like right? half a dozen, no problem).

Fine, when they start pulling the content I care about or pull Hulu all-together then I'll worry. When things change, I'll change with them.

But MythTv still doesn't solve everything. As I said, recording isn't they best option if you want something dated or something you didn't think of recording. And renting is something a hassle, as in my case the rental places near me have very poor TV selections, and Netflix requires waiting at least 2 days.

Yes I'm aware of MythTv's abilities. But it still comes down to me needing to buy or build the rig, configure it, etc. And it still doesn't let me watch Buck Rogers since nobody airs that show anymore.

For now I'd rather throw an old laptop onto my HDTV and watch the occasional old show on Hulu that way. Between my DVR and Fios OnDemand I don't normally need rely on Hulu for recent / new shows.

Re:MythTV (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28516061)

MythTV (or even Boxee) allows you to decide what remains online. For
Hulu, Buck Rogers is perhaps not the best example because it's about the
cheapest thing out there. OTOH, Alien Nation doesn't seem to be online
(the series, not the movies). So just in the first section you've got a
relatively recent series that doesn't seem to be available.

          The DRM problem ultimately leads to usability issues relative to
more sophisticated playback methods. Little things like bookmarks,
random seeking and instant replay that are mundane on PVRs and DVD
players end up lost in the bargain.

Re:MythTV (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28516497)

Why not just have both? Aren't more options better? I have an entry in my MythTV main menu that launches boxee. See, we can all play nice. I can have the stuff I care about on local disk. I can stream what's available as its convenient. Either way it means I haven't paid a cable/satellite/content company a dime in over two years :).

For my money, its Zinc (oops, its free) (2, Informative)

mozzis (231162) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512925)

I have really been liking Zinc - very smooth operation, plus it looks so cool. Since I can use Zinc to access Hulu (and it does a pretty good job of runing Hulu - maximizing when it can, letting me pause and skip and so forth with the remote) and so many other sources, I see no need for Hulu Desktop. My Media Center bliss is nearly complete... If only it would aggregate Justin TV (a nice source which could really use a UI makeover)

Screw them ALL! (2, Interesting)

DarkSarin (651985) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512965)

Since none of them support OS X unless you have an Intel processor, I'm ticked at them all. XBMC DOES, but so far I can't get it to stream Netflix OR Hulu (there are ways, but they require you to have another computer and to purchase Playon...FAIL).

Look, I'm not going to shell out hundreds of dollars just to have a media center computer. I happen to have some older hardware that is suitable for the task. PPC support makes sense because I think a fair number of people are walking the same path. So until Boxee gets off their collective butts and decides to support PPC, I'll pass.

Re:Screw them ALL! (4, Interesting)

macaddict (91085) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513233)

Since none of them support OS X unless you have an Intel processor

Hulu does. I'm running Hulu Desktop on a G5.

Let me summarize what you are saying (1)

n2art2 (945661) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513253)

Let me summarize what you are saying, "I don't know why new software isn't supported on a computer and OS that is 3-4 years old. Good thing I have something older that works. Until these new software makers decide to support my old hardware, I won't be able to use them."

Re:Screw them ALL! (1)

anexkahn (935249) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514209)

I'm running virtual box on ubuntu with a windows 7 VM and I am watching them that way....of course my desktop is pretty Beefy

Re:Screw them ALL! (1)

jdgreen7 (524066) | more than 5 years ago | (#28515247)

I run Boxee on a 3 year old Mac Mini, though it's Intel-based, and it works just fine. If you feel like hiring someone to update the code that's necessary for decoding everything on PPC, then feel free. I'm sure they'd be happy to help you out once you provide the resources to get someone "off of his/her non-collective butt". But, once you start wanting to view HD content that's heavily compressed, good luck using that old PPC system without massive stuttering.

Re:Screw them ALL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28519181)

Since Boxee is open source, can't you.... Compile it?

Apple TV for me (3, Informative)

sjvn (11568) | more than 5 years ago | (#28512999)

Nice overview Rick.

For myself, I'm still finding that Apple TV and iTunes are the best combo. The new Apple TV firmware upgrade 2.4--http://practical-tech.com/entertainment/apple-tv-2-4-well-worth-the-download/--in particular has really made the Apple TV more useful than ever. Apple doesn't whisper a word of it, but the code's really been cleaned up and the result is a much more efficient media box.

The list of my problems with that combo--starting with the simple fact that it's proprietary as proprietary can be--is longer than my arm. Still, for me it's the best choice.

Steven

Re:Apple TV for me (1)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513487)

AppleTV is a strong offering. I had considered it in setting up my own HTPC. Especially considering it can be hacked to run Boxee, also. So what is missing within AppleTV can be supplemented by Boxee. The main thing I felt was absent within AppleTV was support for viewing local content stored in a variety of formats (DIVX for example).

I also had an idle AMD XP3200-based mobo system laying around, so I just went with that and a Ubuntu OS. The persistent advantage of AppleTV over the linux route is you get a nicely integrated remote device that works across the AppleTV and Boxee interfaces. With the BYO Ubuntu approach, you have to figure out your own remote which for most people is a wireless mouse or keyboard. Not as elegant as the AppleTV remote, for sure.

Oh, and the other strength of AppleTV is the form factor. No fan, and small, so it fits well in an entertainment center. In my system, I've basically got a bare motherboard sitting on a shelf with a full-sized power supply and other components.

Seth

Re:Apple TV for me (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513865)

The Apple remote is a joke with too few buttons to be really useful or usable.

Even if I were running MacOS on my Macs I would still replace it in favor
of a less pretentious remote control.

Beyond that stupid remote, the ATV a very nice form factor. Although it is a little
underpowered. It doesn't have enough CPU or GPU to handle the larger h264 files.

Something like a popcorn hour is more future proof.

Re:Apple TV for me (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#28514535)

Hack the apple TV to run XBMC. all done.

it even plays the 720p local video files on my NAS perfectly.

My name is Boxee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28513151)

and this is like so totally cool ya know

Boxee front end, rtorrent backend (1)

dcherryholmes (1322535) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513351)

I had been using rtorrent, pytvshows, screen, and rtgui to manage media downloads on my mythbox. I've since switched over to boxee, although it's running on top of the same mythbuntu install I was using before, and could easily revert back to. I don't really use the streaming apps boxee includes, not do I need to use its torrent capabilities since my own system is more robust. Boxee won me over simply because the interface looks slicker, it grabs cover art and show information automatically, gives one-click access to the apple trailer if available, grabs subtitles with a click, and my downloaded shows are automatically in my media library without having to manually rebuild the database every time I add something.... all things mythtv does not do. If and when mythtv adds these things, I would probably switch back.

PC or Platform (3, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#28513561)

The summery first talks about the PC and then about a platform. Which is it?

For the PC I prefer MPlayer-plugin with Firefox. As a platform I use my Linux hosting and as a player I use http://www.gdd.ro/gddflvplayer.html [www.gdd.ro]

KWong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28516733)

Obviously you missed on the best of teh media streaming sites ninjavideo.net.. DIVX quality. No commercials. No hassles..

Hulu Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28517543)

Hulu Desktop anyone? Works with OS X and M$. It supports remote controllers too. Pure win and their software runs great. They carry everthing from primetime to independents...

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