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The Technology Keeping Information Flowing in Iran

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the learn-a-new-word-today dept.

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Death Metal writes "Iranians seeking to share videos and other eyewitness accounts of the demonstrations that have roiled their country since disputed elections two weeks ago are using an Internet encryption program originally developed by and for the US Navy. Designed a decade ago to secure Internet communications between US ships at sea, The Onion Router, or TOR, has become one of the most important proxies in Iran for gaining access to Web sites such as Twitter, YouTube and Facebook." A related story was submitted anonymously about the efforts of hactivists to keep the information flowing inside the data-locked nation.

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All this time... (3, Interesting)

fprintf (82740) | more than 4 years ago | (#28512981)

Sheesh, all this time folks were talking about TOR I thought they were being lazy and shortening Torrent. I learn something new every day!

fp for gnaa and richad stawlman (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513041)

8==C=O=C=K=S=L=A=P==D~~ [www.gnaa.us] frist piss for gnaa gay nigger association of america

Re:fp for gnaa and richad stawlman (-1, Offtopic)

The -e**(i*pi) (1150927) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513089)

to get a first post, you can't reply to another person's post FAIL

Re:fp for gnaa and richad stawlman (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513169)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

I do it wrong!

I do it wrong

Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
Massaging my nutsack she....

    WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!

Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass [goatse.fr] .

"OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"

"Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"

    I DO IT WRONG!

I continue to hump her alabaster form. Glistening with beads of sweat, she bites her lip in delight as I tear her ass open with my engorged dick.

"Queen Amidala!!" I shreik as I near climax.

She looks up at me and screams, "You are so alive in me, unlike *BSD or VA Software!!! Fill me with seed!! Yes, Yes, Yess!!!!"

"For me you are calling, hhhmmm?"

"YODA?!? What the fuck, can't you see I am using the force here?"

He savagely kicks my Natalie aside, he pulls out his large green penis and impales me...

    I DO IT WRONG!

All your sporkz are belong to the dead homiez!!

A couple weeks ago, while (browsing around the library downtown|working late in the computer labs), I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Barack Obama -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure the secret service wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a liberal democrat and had been on the Obama train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Barack Obama, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Barack Obama wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Obama speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of Barack Obama dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful democrat.

I sat naked on the bench in the health club locker room, staring at the tiles on the floor between my feet, but really looking at nothing. I was waiting for Barack to decide to come up and talk to me. He was this muscular teenage nigger who frequented the club and had ruined my life in the last few weeks. I was ordered to sit naked on the bench without a towel or anything to cover my nakedness. I had to keep my legs spread and my cock and balls visible for the anyone in the locker room who wanted a look. I knew instantly that it had been a mistake to sign up at the inner city health club which was eighty percent black, but it was near my house and cheap which was even more important.

The harassment had started on my first visit. Dark skinned, muscular black boys bouncing around the locker room with their huge dicks and pendulous sacks of balls swinging, high fiving each other and laughing and rapping, and there I was, this moderately built white guy of thirty two.

I will never forget coming back from the shower and one chocolate skinned thug of about eighteen let out a "weeeeeeeow" kind of sound and then said very loudly to me, loudly enough for all his pals to hear, "White man, how the hell can you fuck wit such a small dick?" They all roared with laughter and I turned bright red. Before I left that first time, I met Barack. He eased up to me while I was packing my gym bag. He is one good looking darkie, I will say that for him. He flashed me a big white toothed smile and said he hoped I wasn't thinking of quitting the club. He said he was friends with the manager and they had my address and shit, and it would be really unfortunate if I decided to quit. Then he laid one large basketball player sized hand on my shoulder and said that he would see me at the same time the next day.

Well, that's how it started. It got worse each time I went to the club. Barack and the other niggers got me to get towels for them, had me scrub their backs in the shower, even made me pick their dirty stinking jock straps up off the floor. They sent their filthy jocks and socks home with me to wash for them.

Now let me state here once and for all, that I am in no way at all gay. I don't think I ever even had a gay thought. So all of this really repulsed me. They would brush up against me so their big fat black dicks rubbed my body. They would make constant jokes about me being a faggot.

So I had it out with Barack. I told him I was a single parent with a thirteen year old daughter and in no way gay, and I wanted to quit the club. That mention of my daughter was the biggest mistake of my life. Barack demanded to see a photo of her. Her name is Crissy. After that, all they talked about was "Crissy the Cunt" in the locker room.

"Some fourteen year old school boy probably shoving his dick in her right now while you is at da club." They would say things like that. Barack would ask, "Do you suppose she had ever sucked black dick?" I told them she was totally innocent, and they should keep their foul mouths to themselves. They beat the shit out of me.

I didn't go to the club for a week. All the windows were broken on my car, and my newspaper was stolen, and somebody pissed all over our door. I received a package at work, and when I opened it, there was a pile of shit in a box. I was going nuts with anguish. I thought of going to the police, but I knew I would face even worse if I did. So I went back to the club. That was two months ago. A lot had happened in those two months.

Now I sat waiting for Barack to speak with me. He walked up, stark naked. The first thing I saw were his huge brown feet next to me. I looked up at his long muscular legs. How could I miss the seven inch flaccid dick, thick as a flashlight and the ball sack that looked like it had oranges in it. It was fucking obscene. His stomach was hard and tight. His ass was one of those round tight nigger bubble butts. His chest well defined with large nipples. He had a killer smile, thick nigger lips, and dark flashing eyes that often looked drugged. He had only recently gotten out of reform school for molesting a girl on the playground.

"So, my man, how's that little dick of yours hangin'?"

I spread my legs wider so he could see my pathetic shriveled white prick and small ball sack. If I didn't keep myself on display for them at all times, they would have a wet towel snapping session where my scrotum was the target. It hurt like hell and was totally humiliating.

"So, bro, is everything set up for tomorrow?" He stood close to me...so close that his huge flaccid hunk of fuck meat brushed my shoulder. His dick was so huge, it was just fucking obscene, and that was in its flaccid state. He had not showered yet, and his body reeked of the nigger stink of his workout.

"Please. Please don't do this. I know I agreed, but that was after you had beaten me almost senseless. Please, isn't there some other way?"

He lifted one leg and put his foot on the bench next to me. His gigantic balls swung back and forth in their fleshy sack.

"Dere is no other fucking way, man. You don't wanna even think of what we gonna do to you next time you disobeys us. Dere is no other way. Now it so happens dat I needs me a new girlfriend, and your pretty little daughter fills da bill."

I felt my stomach turn over. I tried to relax, to breath deeply, but I felt like I was choking. This teenage nigger thug was talking about my daughter. My little Crissy. My thirteen year old angel. He had announced to me that he wanted her to become his girlfriend! Jesus Christ!

At first I had bluntly refused, letting my anger and disgust show. All the niggers in the club gathered around me, about fifteen of them, and Barack announced that I was racially prejudiced and didn't want him dating his white daughter. They started to slap and punch me.

"It's not that. Honest to God, I swear, it's not that you are black. It's that she is only thirteen. She's my innocent baby!"

Barack roared with laughter. "Any bitch of thirteen is totally ready for dick! She probably sucking da boys at school every day anyway by now." He looked at the photo of her which he had taken from me. "Yeah, she got real cocksucker lips, she shore do!"

"Oh God no, she's just a baby." I was crying in front of all of them.

"No, daddy, you gots it wrong. She is a babe...not a baby. Dat pretty little pussy is ready for some nigger popping!" Half the niggers surrounding me were getting hard ons, and I don't there there was one under eight and a half inches.

For weeks I had argued, begged, pleaded, tried to bargain with Barack, but he only wanted one thing. My daughter's virgin pussy. Once I stood up to them and told them I would go to the police. They had dragged me naked and screaming into the health club bathroom and forced me to eat turds out of the toilet bowl. I was sick for two days. The next time I went to the club, Barack had made me suck his dick. That was the first time I saw it erect. Over twelve inches of throbbing leaking nigger cock. I had a panic attack and literally tried to run out of the club. They held me down on a bench and Barack fed me his black fuck meat. His balls almost suffocated me. His dick choked me. He even made me suck his ass. What could I do? I agreed to let them have my daughter. I know, I am an awful man. A sinner. It is unforgivable, but I am scared out of my wits.

"So, tomorrow, I comes over to yo house dressed up real good. You introduce me to yo bitch daughter. Now when I sees her, dis is how I wants her dressed. A very tight tee shirt dat says printed on it, "I Love Nigga Dick!" She will wear no bra under it so I can see the tips of her budding little titties through the material. Den she is to wear her nice pleated cheer leader skirt like in da photo, only I don want her to wear no panties under it. From now on, yo daughter is forbidden to ever wear any panties. We want dat fresh young cunt and ass ready and available at all times. I want you to have some really top drawer booze at yo house ready for me. I am not sure what I will want, so you better have enough to satisfy me, whatever my taste might be. Who da fuck knows, I may want a cosmo, or maybe some of dat Louis XIII Brandy dat costs three hundred dollars. You better have it all. After I has a drink, you pretty little bitch and I gonna sit on da couch and get acquainted. Dat means you as da daddy get to watch me finger her cunt and play wit her titties. You gets to see her meet my big fat old dick and even lick and suck it a little. I always insists on sex on da first date, cause how else you know how a bitch perform, right? Shit, I insist on sex on every date. I mean dat is da only reason for da fucking date..to plow some pussy! Right? Otherwise I'd rather hang wit da home boys. Now she gonna be a little uptight and scared at firs...right? Specially when she see my dick and she know dat huge motherfucker is gonna plow her virgin twat! Oh yea, if she got any hair on her cunt yet, you make sure she shave it all off before tomorrow. I wanna see bald thirteen year old pussy."

While he said all of this to me at the health club, his dick got thicker and thicker and long strings of pre-fuck started to hang from the fat pisshole.

"Please don't hurt her...please." I was shaking in my naked agony.

"Hurt her? No why the fuck would I hurt my new girlfriend? I gonna love her. I gonna show her da pleasures of lovemaking. Shore, it gonna hurt a little da first time I ram my twelve and a half inch motherfucking dick balls deep into her tight little teenage pussy. Shore it gonna hurt when I pounds her as hard as I can, and den pull out and shove it as hard as I can up her little asshole. Shore dat gonna hurt a little, but dat is jus' part of growin' up. A her daddy, you understand dat. Right? Better to hab some nice boy like me who wants her for his girlfriend fucking her, den every boy at school who don't give a shit about her.

"Now don't you worry, I gonna take her into the bedroom to fuck her cunt and ass. I think dat is private. I mean, you can watch da first time she suck my balls and lick my dick and such. But fucking is between a guy and his girlfriend. I wants you dere at the start...at the sucking part, cause she is gonna be scared like I say, and you can calm her. Tell her it is a natural part of life, and she just gotta learn to please a man. She, she shoulda learned dat couple of years ago already. She is a late bloomer.

Now I am gonna want to use her bedroom for da first fuck,cause I wants to fuck her little bitch body in her teenage bed, wit all her teenage shit around. It will be so hot. But den, I is moving into your master bedroom. You can sleep on da couch. I wants a nice big bed and luxury for future fucks. I gotta fuck at least three times a day, usually more. Now of course I still going to be bangin' other cunt, but I will fuck your daughter regularly cause she is my number one girlfriend. My special bitch. I ain't gonna introduce her to my bros until after I fuck her for a week or so. Den when she broken in, I gonna share her with all da boys from dis here health club. Dere about twenty of us here as you know, so she gonna be pretty busy sucking nigga dick and getting ass and cunt fucked. We gonna do mos' of it over at yo house. You have lots of food dere at all times fo my brothers when dey comes over to fuck your daughter. Since she be fucking most every day all day and night from now on, I suggest you apply to home school her. Dat way, she don't even need to think about school and she can concentrate on nigga cock all da time."

"Please, please use condoms...." I had tears running down my face.

Barack roared with laughter. "Condoms? Shit...no. We never use condoms. It ruins da fuck. Dat little bitch gonna be pregnant in a couple of weeks at mos'. You gonna be da grand daddy of a nigga chile! And who knows. She young. If she stay tight enough and cute enough, maybe we fuck her for three or four years, you know, pass her around, pimp her out. Shit, she still young enough. She could hab five or six nigga babies! We don' allow no abortions. She gonna breed. Now my brothers and daddy be comin' over lots to fuck her too, so you better have lots of keys to yo house made, or jus' leave the fucking place unlocked. She don't leave da house without permission. I would hate it for both of you if some black bro comes over for a good hard fuck, and she not dere! Now I know you worried about her. Don' be. After a few days of getting nigga dick, she gonna love it so much, dat all she gonna live for. I seen it in young white bitches lots of times. Someday she gonna thank you for all dis. I mean how many girls her age so lucky to get ten to fifteen black cocks a day? Long as her pussy and asshole hold up, she be happy. One thing, she gonna hab to be a really good cocksucker, cause One thig is dat when da boys in my hood meet up wit guys from other gangs...we got dis thing. We hab our girlfriends suck da cocks of all da members of the other gangs, as kind of a peace signal, you know, a sign dat we is kewl and everything is okay. So she gonna pretty much hab a dick in her mouth twenty-four seven for da next few months. She gonna be sucking on nigga dick even when she getting fucked by my bros. Dis house gonna be pretty packed full of black boys! Now, after a bitch has sucked fifteen to twenty dicks a day, she often get a real tired jaw and swollen lips and a sore tongue, so you gonna have to tell her no matter how tired she get, da last dick of da day she suck, gets jus' as good a suck as da first one in da morning. You gotta make sue she understand that. I can't have no bad reports from rival gangs dat my bitch can't suck!

Now we gots one more problem. Da little bitch gonna be so busy getting fucked and sucking dick, she ain't gonna hab no proper time to clean up da dicks after dey fuck her cunt and ass! You know it da bitch's job to clean a dick wit her mouth after a brother fuck her. I mean, you can't expect a brother to walk around wit pussy slime or ass juice on his dick. But she gonna be so busy, she ain't always gonna hab time to clean up, so you my friend is going to have to step up to da plate to help her. You gonna be the official dick cleaner. You gonna lick and suck da dicks clean after dey fuck yo bitch of a daughter. I want you naked on you hands and knees at all times around da house, ready to lick and suck dick clean. And you gonna do a fine job too, I just know it. You get all dat stink off da cock. Maybe you can entertain da brothers waiting next in line to fuck yo daughter too by lickig dere balls and assholes. I never thought of dat until just now. Hot damn, dat is a good idea, ain't it? So dey don't get bored while dey waitin. And den, to keep your daughter fresh and tight, after every three or four fucks, you gonna crawl in and suck the nigga cum right outta her pussy and asshole. Think how great dat is. You gonna get to suck some thirteen year old pussy and asshole! How lucky is dat? You gonna clean out her cunt real good with yo tongue so it is ready for da next nigga.

We gonna be da happiest family you ever seen! Now come on, white boy, suck my dick, can't you see it dripping all over da floor?"

I put my mouth over the head of the huge leaking hunk of fuckmeat, and resigned myself and my daughter to our new destiny.

Re:fp for gnaa and richad stawlman (0, Offtopic)

Tranzistors (1180307) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513229)

Wow. Just think about it, a person siting by computer and actually witing this. I am amazed. I can't even imagine a person actually reading all this.

You are fucking retarded. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513435)

Ever heard of copy/paste, dumbfuck?

It's where I copy my genetic material and paste it all over your girlfriend's face.

Re:fp for gnaa and richad stawlman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514077)

I gave up reading it about 1/4 way through. I wonder if it got any less supremely lame toward the end?

Can't the eds even make a headline sentence now ?? (-1, Offtopic)

rixster_uk (1216414) | more than 4 years ago | (#28512983)

"The Technology Keeping Information Flowing in Iran". Is it just me or does this not scan at all ? I know the editors are bad but sheesh !! This place use to be great, went to "ok" and now... well.. see for yourself : http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org [google.com]

Re:Can't the eds even make a headline sentence now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513205)

I had to read it twice too. To be fair, titles don't have to be full sentences (books, newspapers, etc.)

Re:Can't the eds even make a headline sentence now (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513313)

Why does it need to be a complete sentence? The headline makes perfect sense: The Technology (implied "that is") Keeping Information Flowing in Iran

Re:Can't the eds even make a headline sentence now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513845)

I think it's just you, the title seems pretty easy to understand to me.

Read it as: "The technology that is being used to keep information flowing in Iran".

How about some real support ? Democrats ? Obambi ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28512987)

Why aren't these people getting support from the real U.S. Navy ?

Oh right ... there's a "democratic" government in the "land of the free". As we all know, the name "democratic" name is, like most names, meant to compensate for something.

Support Them (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28512989)

Support them by becoming a Tor relay

Just Make Sure You're Not Plaintext (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513075)

Support them by becoming a Tor relay

From nedanet [nedanet.org] :

If you are a Linux or *BSD or Mac OS/X user, we have a detailed recipe [slashdot.org] for setting up and registering a Squid proxy for the revolutionaries' use. Update: We are no longer recommending people set up plaintext squid proxies. The Iranian regime appears to be doing deep-packet inspection on all traffic now.

The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513267)

In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.

Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.

We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.

The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.

Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.

Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (3, Interesting)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513671)

While I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I have to ask, do you think the people in N. Korea are happy with their lot in life?

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514169)

ArcherB wrote, "While I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I have to ask, do you think the people in N. Korea are happy with their lot in life?". Some of the North Koreans are unhappy, but the rest are either happy or indifferent about the dictator in Pyongyang.

Neither Beijing nor Moscow is imposing the thuggish government on North Korea. Its government is run entirely by North Koreans. They can remove it whenever they want.

The existence of this kind of thuggish government says a lot about North-Korean culture. It sucks.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514837)

The existence of this kind of thuggish government says a lot about North-Korean culture. It sucks.

Gee! Are you saying that the culture has changed THAT much in two generations? Remember, South Korea comes from the same stock as N. Korea as they were one country a couple of generations ago.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

mi (197448) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514803)

I have to ask, do you think the people in N. Korea are happy with their lot in life?

North Korea's regime would've collapsed decades ago, had it not been for China's and USSR's support — exactly the external factors, that the GP is talking about. Today China continues to be the major backer of the dictatorship, supplying them with much needed goods and preventing North Koreans from escaping the oppression [nationalgeographic.com] ...

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514863)

I have to ask, do you think the people in N. Korea are happy with their lot in life?

North Korea's regime would've collapsed decades ago, had it not been for China's and USSR's support — exactly the external factors, that the GP is talking about. Today China continues to be the major backer of the dictatorship, supplying them with much needed goods and preventing North Koreans from escaping the oppression [nationalgeographic.com] ...

Good point, but no country lives in a vacuum. There are external influences in every country on earth.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514141)

we should condemn Iran and its corrupt leaders and mean followers. those who support democracy and the freedom of speech should NOT be condemned, but shown love and patience and help wherever we can offer it. freedom is their game to win.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514365)

You conveniently dismiss the long term effects on people/mindsets/society due to decades of mangling in their affairs.

Make no mistake, current Iran is in large part the product of this mangling. Would it be better without it? I don't know. Would it be different? Hell yeah.

Speaking from one of new EU memberstates that will, I guess, suffer from burden of "homo sovieticus" mindset still for a generation or two - 20 years after regaining independence after five decades of ocupation.

Warsaw Pact Vs. Iranian Despot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514431)

The Soviet Union brutalized Eastern Europe for 40 years. Allied with the army of the Kremlin, the authoritarian governments of Eastern Europe, from 1950 until 1988, killed their own citizens as they tried to flee. The Kremlin hurt and killed the peoples of Eastern Europe. For 40 years, the Eastern Europeans suffered under the brutal yoke of oppression.

Then, after the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe in 1989, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.

That is how people act when they want freedom and free markets.

In 1979, after the Iranian people overthrow the despot whom the Americans supported, the Iranians immediately established a brutal, authoritarian theocracy.

That is how people act when they reject both freedom and free markets.

Cultures are different. Eastern-European culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514367)

This is the most idiotic piece of shit I had the disgust of reading here ever.

the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.

False. Those in power, specially if they control weapons and education, control the fate of nations. It has always been this way. Read a bit of history, please.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians.

Iran is not a failed state. It's a perfectly working *represive* state. And would you say that each and every Iranian is imposing himself a brutal government? Of couse not. It's an external force, external to plain people. People like you and me.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur.

Haven't read the news? Violence is occuring RIGHT NOW.

We must condemn Iranian culture.

As a whole?

Sorry. I'm sick of this. I let the rest up to the readers.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

scorilo (654174) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514405)

Every "revolution" in Eastern Europe took place with considerable (albeit covert) Western support. It wasn't open military intervention, but to claim the regime changes in Eastern Europe and especially Romania happened with no external help, as some might interpret your words, is shortsighted.

OTOH I don't think a military intervention is the way to go in countries like Iran. Any attempt to help, in the slightest manner, would be used against the West.Watch the MEMRI videos on YouTube - these guys claimed that Soros was working with Bush to destroy them (!!!).

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514433)

About 30% of Iran's GDP goes into the hands of the army and Basji militiamen (the ones on the motorcycles). These militia men will fight tooth and nail to preserve their lifestyle.

It doesn't matter what the vast majority of Iranians want. The military has too much to lose. This is a very different situation than in Poland where the army members were also suffering. When ordered to fire into the crowd, they refused to do it.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514589)

What utter clap-trap.
Haven't they had enough of our interference already?

If you are in any way attempted to agree with that pile above, there's a reasonably good piece over here that's worth a read:
http://www.sundayherald.com/oped/opinion/display.var.2516867.0.0.php

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514625)

Why not say the truth out loud ? The problem is islam. The problem is muslims.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (4, Informative)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514641)

Also, learn at least the basics of modern history...

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
Red Army went away only after many years of struggle. There was bloodshed practically in every Soviet satellite country.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
Except for presence of external force (which was present for large part of modern Iran), all this was true in former soviet republics.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.

When democracy advocates attempted to establish a genuine democracies in soviet republics,for many years violence was the result. Even though majority of population supported the changes. The state of affairs had nothing to do with local culture. Minority that held power was enough.

We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
You know nothing about the struggle of Poland for democracy. There was violence, people died, change didn't come for many years.
And actually it might have come much sooner if, for example, Western Allies didn't handle Eastern Europe on a plate to Stalin. Or didn't let military aggresion on Czechoslovakia in the 60's. And so on... If there was some kind of intervention

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

genjix (959457) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514723)

You are wrong. Those who support the government are a ruthless ideological minority. Those who oppose are a burgeoning young middle class with little propensity for violence. Having lived there I can tell you that everyone hates oppression and the oppressors.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (2, Interesting)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514857)

Weird that this gets 5 insightful now when before the dupe [slashdot.org] got -1 troll. Where's the consistency slashdot mods?

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 4 years ago | (#28515069)

It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.

Which they absolutely will do. Anyone who believes that Iran will not develop the bomb after completing the necessary infrastructure for nuclear power is being naïve in the extreme.

We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.

Which will then be rebuilt in such a way that nothing short of a nuclear penetrator [wikipedia.org] will suffice to destroy them, assuming that they were not constructed that way in the first place, and what then? Would you call their bluff? Would you use nuclear weapons to prevent Iran from having them? That is a tough question, no doubt about it.

The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

It is perhaps more correct to say that we should condemn their government. Of course, that would take political courage and a steely nerve that I don't think we have seen in America since Ronald Reagan called out the Soviets in his "evil empire" speech. The Obama Administration was slow to criticize the Iranian regime for the election fallout and was not tough enough when they finally did speak up. If we are going to defeat the Iranian regime then we must defeat them in the court of world opinion and in the battle of ideas between the harsh brand of Islamic theocracy practiced by the Ayatollahs and the Western Democratic systems that have brought freedom, dignity, and prosperity wherever they have taken root.

Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (2, Interesting)

pdxp (1213906) | more than 4 years ago | (#28515077)

The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.

Unless your name is "The Iranians," I don't understand how you can speak in such broad terms and not be modded as a troll.

The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business [...]

We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

So, it's not our business until it's time to weigh in our thoughts? All I can say is that with that kind of attitude, I hope you too are stereotyped to be the same as everyone else in your country when it begins to collapse and everyone says, "Well, they made their own mess. Let's just condemn them all for now and take action against them if we feel threatened." I hope you don't wonder where the compassion is when you are suffering.

Read some books, watch a few movies, maybe even go to Iran. Then tell me the same things you've said here without knowing you're lying. Nobody deserves to be oppressed or "condemned" for actions they cannot control.

And for fuck's sake, please don't title your unsubstantiated bullshit as "The Grotesquely Ugly Truth".

Support them by electing leaders with balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513839)

This guy doesn't count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama [wikipedia.org]

          His initial reaction was that the two candidates were virtually indistinguishable, anyway, and that given the US' recent history in Iran we should stay out of it. This actually was the correct response, but when it became clear that he was grossly out of step with popular world sentiment he chose to backpedal rather than lose some of his likability and cult of personality status. Remember when you were little and your mother told you that the popular decision wasn't always the right one? Well, you people should have listened to her, and Obama should have, too. It takes far more courage to stand up for your convictions than I guess Obama possesses. I guess in a world where the absolute worst thing you can do to someone is to make them feel bad about themselves, Obama calculated the risks and decided that he'd rather not have to tell people how it is and therefore become slightly less popular. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people here on /. who are advocating for private citizens to meddle in the internal affairs of another country were against the Iraq war. Tell me, why is it illegal for one government to overthrow another, but not illegal when you try to do it on your own? Because you say so? Because your subjective sense of morality dictates it? Here's a novel idea: how about we stop meddling with other countries and try to solve some of the huge problems facing us here at home? How about we build some friggin' nuclear power plants and upgrade our electrical infrastructure to harden it against EMI pulse attacks, cascading failures, overload, etc., then tell the Arab world to grow up or just kill each other off finally, but either way to leave us the fuck alone?

          You will see the same waffling play out in the healthcare debate and the energy debate. Instead of being a leader for change as he promised, he's become a cheerleader for change, cheering on the horrible abortion of a bill that no one even read before voting on that was Waxman-Markey. The House saw support for Global Warming taxation decreasing under the assault of a bad economy and mounting scientific evidence that current Global Warming dogma is bullshit, so they crammed through a vote before the July 4th recess and hung many middle-America democrats out to dry. Waxman-Markey: more corporate welfare. Be they green companies or auto companies or giant banks, it's still corporate welfare and robbing future Americans blind.

          Nancy Pelosi: that blow-dried bimbo is setting the cause of women in leadership roles back decades. Why has Obama decided to become her Cabana Boy instead of telling her to get in line? He IS the friggin' President, for crying out loud. Oh right, the whole "no balls" thing.

Re:Support Them (1)

mistahkurtz (1047838) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514529)

Support them by becoming a Tor relay

so, i tried this. i was a live Tor relay for one day. then i was banned from every IRC server i might want to use (except the one for Tor). and then, on the second day, Tor quit working.. bandwidth check, good. node publication, good. actually connectivity to the Tor network? nope. i use RR in north TX, from what i hear, they don't block Tor, but i don't have any other explanations.

i'd love to help... it's just not working out. i'm open to possible solutions, or alternatives, though.

Re:Support Them (2, Interesting)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514813)

Being interested in "helping the cause", I used to run a TOR relay on my primary system with a fair share of bandwidth. My exit policy was to allow only http/https/irc traffic out. Within 3 days, I found myself unable to browse several websites/forums that I normally frequent. Apparently, a lot of websites use proxies to filter connections from spam and abuse and some of these proxies identify, track and mark IPs running TOR exit relays as abuse relays. I have talked to a maintainer of one such "blacklist" and this is apparently a feature, not a bug as he considers complete anonymity on the internet to cause more harm than good. So, I cannot change the opinion of a blacklist maintainer and I cannot make the websites I visit stop using such blacklists. Essentially I was being blackmailed in a "either you stop running a TOR exit node or you can't browse this and this and this website" fashion. Eventually I had to cave in and had to stop running TOR on my system before the maintainers of these lists agreed to take me off them.

Obviously I want to support the cause of having anonymity on the internet, but I am not really sure that this price of not being able to use internet properly myself is a price I am willing to pay. What can be done about this?

The second problem comes from another point of view. What can I do, as a TOR relay operator, to protect myself from potentially getting harassed by law enforcement non-stop?


P.S: Sorry for crossposting, I initially intended to reply to the parent post, but managed to post my reply into the wrong part of the discussion.

Hmmm (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513011)

You almost have to wonder if this scares the crap out of the powers that be. That something they created could, in theory, be something that fuels their eventual downfall, (assuming things ever got really bad....)

Re:Hmmm (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513125)

That something they created could, in theory, be something that fuels their eventual downfall ...

Like nuclear weapons? Like a dependency on oil? Like a botched military campaign in a neighboring country? Like your own revolutionary spirit being turned against you after you become the abusive people in power? Sometimes I think it's hard to find a powerful tool that is not a double edged sword.

Re:Hmmm (4, Insightful)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513167)

...something they created could...be something that fuels their...downfall...

The U.S. government has long-since established some mechanisms [odcmp.com] that would accomplish exactly that.

Re:Hmmm (1)

G-Man (79561) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514657)

I have to wonder about the future of the CMP. Once the supply of Garands and M1 Carbines runs out, the military rifles that follow are all selective-fire (i.e., "machine guns" as far as the ATF is concerned). I can't see the government allowing more "machine guns" to pass into the hands of the Unorganized Militia. I suppose conversion to semi-auto is possible, but that takes money, and CMP seems to operate on a shoestring budget. I bought my Garand from the CMP, but I'm not holding my breath for an M14 or M16.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513249)

You almost have to wonder if this scares the crap out of the powers that be. That something they created could, in theory, be something that fuels their eventual downfall, (assuming things ever got really bad....)

You can't really fight tanks with Twitter, you know.

Re:Hmmm (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513493)

You can if 10,000 other people who think just like you only need to be told where and when to be to stop them.

Either the tanks stop, or the next place the people meet is outside Mahmoud Ahmadinejads' house with brick and chain.

Re:Hmmm (1)

basil64 (1061038) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513623)

What, you mean like Tieneman Square? As I recall, that didn't work out so well....and unfortunately, brick and chain does not really work when the other side has guns and ammunition galore. Public demonstration is all fine and good if the powers that be are not willing to meet unarmed citizens with massive firepower; but the sad truth is that totalitarian governments are determined to stop dissent regardless of the body count. If you don't give a damn about world opinion, there is very little to prevent you from extreme military over reaction to keep the status quo.

Re:Hmmm (1)

knutkracker (1089397) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513675)

If you don't give a damn about world opinion, there is very little to prevent you from extreme military over reaction to keep the status quo.

If they didn't give a damn, they wouldn't be blocking YouTube, Twitter, the BBC, etc.

Re:Hmmm (1)

basil64 (1061038) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513901)

True; I meant not give a damn as in shooting unarmed protesters and beating them, to terrify them and stop them from taking to the streets. Which is unfortunately, what seems to be happening. The main outcome of this seems to be showing the rest of us, outside Iran, that there are a good number of people who are opposed to the present regime; 30 years ago, this was not the case. The definitive role of a repressive government is to repress its' people

Re:Hmmm (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513685)

Either the tanks stop, or the next place the people meet is outside Mahmoud Ahmadinejads' house with brick and chain.

Assuming their army either runs out of bullets or refuses to shoot, and of course that there are actually enough people willing to risk their lives.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513359)

No, because there'll always be companies like Nokia, and Siemens, and IBM, there to prop the powers that be up.

The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513421)

In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.

Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.

We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.

The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.

Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.

Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

Accessing a TOR server is enough to get killed? (3, Interesting)

viraltus (1102365) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513077)

I mean, perhaps they don't even care what are you saying, just that you try to hide it... How can you access a Tor network without them knowing? With another Tor network?

Re:Accessing a TOR server is enough to get killed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514481)

You could ssh into a server, and then from there use the tor network. But that just begs the question of why you didn't ssh in the first place.

Side benefits? (2, Interesting)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513105)

I use Tor regularly and it's really slow. Not unusable, but really slow.

If I understand this correctly (and I'm not at all sure I do, so feel free to correct me), the more people who set up and use Tor the more quickly traffic can propagate. So if the situation in Iran is causing lots of people, both in and outside of Iran, to use Tor, then the whole thing should speed up, right?

So is that why when I visited a few miscellaneous .onion sites last nite, they were far more responsive than usual?

I imagine the Supreme Leader would be pissed if he understood. :-)

Re:Side benefits? (3, Informative)

wdsci (1204512) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514173)

Well, the more people who set up Tor *relays*, the more quickly traffic can propagate, yes. But not every Tor user is (or can be) a relay operator, and unfortunately the more non-relay-operator Tor users there are, the less quickly traffic can propagate. Basically, relays provide bandwidth for the network, and non-relay Tor users use it up. Ideally the ratio of relay operators to non-relay users should be reasonably high (well, at least a large fraction of 1).

Re:Side benefits? (1)

scorilo (654174) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514479)

TOR is sometimes as fast as the real thing - those German relays are awesome, in particular. Setting up a relay also provides additional privacy for the user.

However, I strongly doubt that any speed-up you might have noticed is due to the Iran users. Even if they were to set up relays - and they aren't really in a position to do so, in their particular situation - the outgoing traffic in Iran is choked and deep-packet inspected, hence slow.

Flowing, but still risky (5, Insightful)

geegel (1587009) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513127)

TOR doesn't ensure true anonymity. The only thing the Iran regime would need to do in order to sabotage it, would be to setup a lot of TOR nodes and analyze the traffic going through them as there is no encryption for the data. Right now this technology benefits from privacy due to obscurity. If the service becomes popular enough, they'll probably resort to the tactics detailed above.

Re:Flowing, but still risky (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513323)

The resources needed to spy on tor users would be huge. They'd need to log all traffic that goes through their nodes and analyze it all to reconstruct what can be reconstructed. I find it very unlikely that a government would try to do that. The costs would largely overweight the benefits.
Do you have any idea how much tor nodes it would require to be able to log enough data to reconstruct enough communications to incriminate a few people? The computing power that would be necessary to reconstruct the communications?
I think they'd rather cut off the internet than trying to spy on tor...
wait... you say there's no encryption for the data? From the exit node point of view, maybe but the exit node doesn't know the identity of the source of the communication. When tor traffic goes out of your computer, there's a least three layers of encryption. And everybody who knows a bit about tor will tell you: don't use tor to communicate sensitive informations unless you're using encryption over tor.

It's not that easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513413)

To defeat TOR they would have to make sure at least a certain amount of traffic went through their nodes.

If the Iranians wanted to interfere with TOR, they could. How is left as an exercise to the reader^H^H^H^Hgime.

Quote of the day: TOR, it's not just for porn any more.

Re:It's not that easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513465)

It's not just for CP anymore. There's much more porn on clearnet than on tor. But on tor, cp doesn't hide like it does on clearnet.
Like someone said once on onionforum:
Tor, created by the navy, tested by the anarchists, approved by the pedobear.

CP? What's that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514845)

Cowboy Porn?

Re:Flowing, but still risky (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513461)

You're wrong. Tor does encrypt node-to-node traffic. It does not encrypt the exit node traffic though because that's what is actually accessing stuff on the Internet. So yeah, if you go to a an unencrypted web site then the Tor exit node you are using can see your traffic.

In theory they wouldn't know who the source was unless that information is in the plain-text data. In practice, if they happen to also be running your Tor connection point then they can run a statistical analysis attack and figure out who the source is. That is really the main problem with Tor. There are a lot of "unfriendly" entry and exit nodes and if you happen to get a pair run by the same entity then they can see what you're doing (which is even worse than not running Tor at all).

Re:Flowing, but still risky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514591)

this should've never been moded "insightful" - TOR encrypts traffic with multiple layers (hence the Onion in The Onion Router). it's obviously unencrypted when it exits TOR, but by that time the source is no longer known, which is the whole point. while it is possible for an attacker to circumvent it, it requires an amount of resources (and timing) that's next to impossible.

article is so wrong (5, Informative)

spotter (5662) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513177)

the reporter of that article is an idiot.

Onion Routing was invented at the Naval Research Lab, but it had nothing to do with ships.

If the reporter would have done a cursory reading of http://www.onion-router.net/ [onion-router.net] , which is the page the creators made, the reporter would not have found any mention of ships on the description or summary of what onion routing is.

Government setting up TOR nodes? (3, Insightful)

mrbill1234 (715607) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513225)

What is to stop the Iranian government setting up a plethora of TOR nodes and inspecting and tracing everything back to the source? I understand there are alot of different levels to a TOR connection (hence the 'O'nion) - but could the 'bad guys' setting up thousands of TOR nodes around the world help them trace back to the originator?

Re:Government setting up TOR nodes? (1)

annerajb (1155635) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513343)

They probably dont have that amount of resources. so far the internet in iran is slow because of the deep packet inspection.

Re:Government setting up TOR nodes? (1)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513447)

They have trouble hosting honest elections and you think they can hire that many IT consultants? Whom would be sympathetic to setting up Tor and doing Packet Inspection? (Most of the security guys I know like their clearance).

Re:Government setting up TOR nodes? (3, Interesting)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513545)

You contradict yourself.

"Trouble hosting honest elections" isn't an accident and it isn't due to incompetence, it is due to the desire and ability to rig the system to win.

If they can do that, what makes you think they can't set up TOR nodes? (potential infrastructure limitations aside).

But don't think for a moment that a government that is out to win at any cost won't do whatever it takes to quash those that attempt to stand up to them. Also don't believe for a moment that they can't fund/hire or already have the technology and know how to setup simple nodes. It isn't too far of a stretch to believe they already have talented IT folk on their payroll.

Long story short, they aren't in power because they are dumb.

Re:Government setting up TOR nodes? (1)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513899)

If you know how to sniff packets chances are you are in the security industry; if you are any good chances are you maintain clearance from a Nato body in addition to the rest of your work, if you have clearance you don't deal with Iran, because doing so would cut your clients off from you by you losing your clearence for dealing with an organization that "chooses" the next election winner.

As for the infrastructure; why do you think there was a major cable interruption in the middle east last year, this only two years after the Americans finish a new class of sub that can splice optics?

I'm not saying they don't know how, what I am saying is those that do probably wouldn't want to due to the fact that they support free thought, and free elections.

Re:Government setting up TOR nodes? (3, Informative)

GreatBunzinni (642500) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514113)

No. According to the Tor project [torproject.org] , it isn't possible.

Because each relay sees no more than one hop in the circuit, neither an eavesdropper nor a compromised relay can use traffic analysis to link the connection's source and destination.

So, according to that description I believe that the iranian government would only stand a chance of being able to monitor traffic if the entire network was comprised of tainted tor nodes provided by the state of Iran. So even under that scenario Iran's job would become a bit harder if suddenly more people started contributing to the tor project. At least that's my non-security expert take on that. Nonetheless I'm getting my tor node up and running.

Not feasible (3, Informative)

basicio (1316109) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514687)

There is no way Iran has the resources to perform correlation attacks on Tor traffic.

Facts: -There are about 1800 Tor nodes running right now, and about 900 of those are exit nodes. (http://torstatus.kgprog.com/)
-Any entity performing cross-correlation attacks on Tor isn't going to have a very good chance of compromising a given circuit unless they control a very significant portion (say, a third or more) of the Tor network.
-There are tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of clients using Tor, and Iran only accounts for about 3000 of them. (https://blog.torproject.org/blog/measuring-tor-and-iran)
-By default, Tor will not construct circuits with two nodes that share /16 subnets.
-Iran's assigned IP address blocks include 75 or so distinct /16 subnets

So to even have a chance of being effective, Iran needs to come up with at least 600 geographically distinct Tor nodes. Any nodes inside Iran are going to be almost entirely ineffective, because deep packet inspection means that all traffic into and out of Iran is slowed to a crawl. Iran also needs to write the code to do cross-correlation attacks. Iran then needs to deal with a ton of data they don't care about from users not in Iran (and there are a lot more people using Tor who aren't in Iran than people who are). It would take a lot of smart people distributed around the world to pull this off, and for very little gain.

Compromising Tor? That's pretty difficult. Blocking it, when all internet connections are being routed through a single place? Not so difficult.

encryption in Iran (1)

MancunianMaskMan (701642) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513271)

Iran, has banned the use of encryption. It's illegal to use gpg and such like. Good luck with TOR. Maybe they get away with it because everybody uses it. I cannot judge on the merits of the Iranian election and wheter it represents the free will of the majority of the people (many seem to imply it doesn't but with little in terms of proof) I don't know that the opposition in that election would be any better for said people. But yes, let information flow. Freely and encryptedly. I hope TOR has no holes.

Selective Values (2, Interesting)

chord.wav (599850) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513353)

How come nobody talks what has happened this past week and is still happening in Honduras [youtube.com] ?

How come the election in Iran provokes such a passionate response from the US (which is not bad) and a call to support them, put proxies, blablabla, but a real military coup in an american country much next to the US doesn't provoke Sh1t? Have you heard of it at least?

Don't follow the imposed agenda people, trust your judgment. And apply it equally for everybody, not just the ones that your leaders want you to hate.

Re:Selective Values (1)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513501)

Iran and Honduras take a back seat to Michael Jackson, Billy Mays, and Farrah Fawcett. But, hey, Obama is "deeply concerned," and people are free to worry about such trivialities.

Re:Selective Values (2, Insightful)

yachius (1348219) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513511)

You mean besides for the LA Times and every other major newspaper in the US? And Slate? And a million other blogs with admins who have an interest in these events? It isn't tech related at all, there's no great cry for democracy. It's just another coup in an insignificant country.

Re:Selective Values (3, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513525)

Successful revolutions have three phases. First, a strategically located single or limited segment of society begins vocally to express resentment, asserting itself in the streets of a major city, usually the capital. This segment is joined by other segments in the city and by segments elsewhere as the demonstration spreads to other cities and becomes more assertive, disruptive and potentially violent. As resistance to the regime spreads, the regime deploys its military and security forces. These forces, drawn from resisting social segments and isolated from the rest of society, turn on the regime, and stop following the regime's orders. This is what happened to the Shah of Iran in 1979; it is also what happened in Russia in 1917 or in Romania in 1989.

Revolutions fail when no one joins the initial segment, meaning the initial demonstrators are the ones who find themselves socially isolated. When the demonstrations do not spread to other cities, the demonstrations either peter out or the regime brings in the security and military forces -- who remain loyal to the regime and frequently personally hostile to the demonstrators -- and use force to suppress the rising to the extent necessary. This is what happened in Tiananmen Square in China: The students who rose up were not joined by others. Military forces who were not only loyal to the regime but hostile to the students were brought in, and the students were crushed.

This is also what happened in Iran this week. The global media, obsessively focused on the initial demonstrators -- who were supporters of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's opponents -- failed to notice that while large, the demonstrations primarily consisted of the same type of people demonstrating. Amid the breathless reporting on the demonstrations, reporters failed to notice that the uprising was not spreading to other classes and to other areas. In constantly interviewing English-speaking demonstrators, they failed to note just how many of the demonstrators spoke English and had smartphones. The media thus did not recognize these as the signs of a failing revolution.

Later, when Ayatollah Ali Khamenei spoke Friday and called out the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, they failed to understand that the troops -- definitely not drawn from what we might call the "Twittering classes," would remain loyal to the regime for ideological and social reasons. The troops had about as much sympathy for the demonstrators as a small-town boy from Alabama might have for a Harvard postdoc. Failing to understand the social tensions in Iran, the reporters deluded themselves into thinking they were witnessing a general uprising. But this was not St. Petersburg in 1917 or Bucharest in 1989 -- it was Tiananmen Square.

Re:Selective Values (1)

basil64 (1061038) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513739)

Well spoken. Without sympathetic elements in the ruling class- like the Revolutionary Guard or a significant number of clerics- the protests simply cannot hold up. Unless of course, every single citizen, man woman and child, was willing to take to the streets...

Re:Selective Values (1)

moranar (632206) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513701)

I heard. Since I live in another American country, this is news to me. But they have no oil.

Re:Selective Values (4, Informative)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513775)

I am following the issue in Honduras, and honestly, it doesn't appear as cut and dry as it looks. In Iran, at least the situation seems to be a lot more clear. We may not know for certain that the election was rigged, but the timing seems impossible for counting. Additionally, Iran is at best, a very limited democracy overtopped by a religiously motivated dictatorship, so these protests seem to be very compelling.

In Honduras, the president, Zelaya, was attempting to order a referendum which was designated to be illegal by the Supreme Court and the Congress. Supposedly, the military was directed to make the arrest by those bodies.

Of course, under their constitution, I doubt that those branches have that power, but on the other hand, the Hondurans failed to put an impeachment clause in their constitution that they could use. When the Congress and the Supreme Court in the US are against the Executive at that level, he'd have been legally impeached and removed. This does not appear to have been an option for those branches in Honduras and I got the feeling that the police are on the side of the President.

If you believe the opposition, the vote was a lead up to Chavez-esque referendum to remove or change the term limits in the Constitution for the President. While sketchy, this is not illegal in and of itself in many places. However, Honduras apparently also has the interesting constitutional provision that it is even illegal to propose a change to that provision if you are an office holder. One assumes that this is due to their bad experiences with people staying in office too long.

On the other hand, I believe the referendum was only for the purposes of calling a "constitutional assembly" to rewrite the Constitution, so the legal extrapolation they made is possibly not warranted, even if they may well be right about his intentions.

As I said, I am actually surprised that the world is supporting Zelaya as uncritically as they are, but there may be no choice in the matter. In this case, the Hondurans look to have be in a sticky mess constitutionally which no one wants to get involved in. I think that the major issue is that the military was involved, which is certainly bad news, particularly in that part of the world. Its hard for anyone to get behind a military action to remove a legally elected office holder, even if he may be up to something.

However, Zelaya seems to have troubling parallels to Hugo Chavez in his way of dealing with issues, and there are some suggestions that the referendum would not have been entirely without governmental pressure to vote for the provision, which would then be taken as a plebiscite to secure power for the President's entire program, including the removal of term limits. Certainly the Supreme Court and the Congress could be in the wrong here, but I am inclined to distrust Zelaya's motives as well. This may not be an actual coup, even if the military involvement tends to make it look that way.

Or it could be a coup by a corrupt or overreaching Congress and Supreme Court with military involvement.

This sort of ambiguity does not make for good news print, which is why I am unsurprised that it is not being featured. That and the fact that Honduras is not a state supporter or terrorism nor does it appear to have a nuclear program, peaceful or not.

Re:Selective Values (2, Insightful)

knutkracker (1089397) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513955)

It's the story. A good story bypasses the rational parts of our brains, goes straight to the emotions and grabs us.

The subtext of the Iran story is about the surprise of realising that a people we previously thought of as hostile (and frankly a bit too Muslim for comfort) are as much against their crazy muppet of a ruler as we are and decidedly less Muslim than the scary hard-line ones (relaxed dress codes, keen to party). It's the underdogs fighting The Man and we especially identify with the underdogs, because they use Twitter and speak English on TV. It has resonance.

It shouldn't work that way, but it does. Compare to a certain recent internet phenomenon [youtube.com] . Someone who we previously thought was ugly (and a bit too Scottish for most Western tastes), is as good a singer as any that the crazy muppet Simon Cowell could point to. It's the underdog fighting The Man and we especially identify with the underdog because she sings in a perfect English accent and embodies all of our fairytale ideas of how the world should ideally be.

We don't care about Honduras for the same reasons we don't care about Fabia Cerra (Who? Exactly!) - the story has no resonance, so we ignore it.

Apples and Oranges (2, Informative)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513981)

Because what happened in Honduras was legitimate by their constitution (the president was committing TREASON according to article 4 of their constitution, therefore it was legal for the Honduran Supreme Court to vote to remove him and for the military to execute that). It is not exactly a military coup, because once the president was removed, the next in line was legally put in his place to serve out the remainder of the term until elections next year.

So, in Iran, you have a corrupt government trying to steal the election from the people and implement their own de facto dictatorship. The people are standing up against that. In Honduras, you have a president defying the law and committing treason by trying to set up a way for himself to become a dictator, and then being legally removed from power by the government he was trying to betray. Very different situations.

Re:Selective Values (4, Informative)

Xest (935314) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514023)

Probably because the guy who has been ousted was trying to defy the constitution, defy the courts and sacked military heads who wouldn't assist him in doing so.

Effectively what is happening in Honduras is an example of what should ideally happen if a leader attempts to become a dictator (i.e. he gets removed), whilst Iran is an example of what shouldn't happen (i.e. the people get violently supressed).

The Honduras result is really a good one, he was trying to copy Chavez, the difference is he didn't have the support to do so. It's probably worth realising that copying Chavez isn't a good thing because Chavez is really no better than Ahmadinejad. Ignoring the fact they're best of friends it's probably worth noting that Chavez, like Ahmadinejad, has supressed opposition using militia etc. so again, seeing someone who wanted to follow this path ousted through a country's legal and constitutional procedures is probably a good thing.

Re:Selective Values (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514891)

What's going down in Honduras is *good* democracy. It's basically a hurried impeachment.

President Zelaya wanted a referendum to change the constitution to allow himself to run for re-election. Legislatures said no. Courts said no. Zelaya insisted. Zelaya tried to get the military to arrange this referendum. Defense Minister said no. Zelaya sacked Defense Minister and started talking directly to generals to arrange the referendum. The Generals had some back-room meetings with judges and legislatures and all agree Zelaya is way way way out of line. Still in the back-room, everyone agrees it's best to get a couple of soldiers to put him on am airplane and send him to Costa Rica. On the same day, congress votes to institute the constitutionally next-in-line to be president for the remainder of the term. Elections will be held this November.

It's an excellent example of how the three-legged table of democracy works. When one of the powers becomes unfit to serve, the other two powers can should and must team up to reinstate sanity. In this case, legislative and judicial powers teaming up to remove an executive that was trying to take the first step towards establishing a Venezuela-style dictatorship.

Good for Honduras.

Zmodem? (4, Interesting)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513437)

There seems to be all of this press about how people are getting information out using the internet. But back in the early 90's, before I had access to the internet, my friends and I used to transfer information and files from one place to another using two modems connected via a plain old telephone line, sending files back and forth using Zmodem protocol. Is this technique still being used? I'm picturing someone using an acoustic coupler on a pay phone to send small cellphone videos out of Iran to a friendly party...

When I was a kid we used Kermit (2, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513761)

We didn't have Zmodem. All we had was Kermit [wikipedia.org] . We didn't have modems either. We wrote our bits on the back of his little froggy-back 7 bits at a time and waited for him to go and come back with the reply bits. If we were lucky he managed to cross the highway [wikipedia.org] without getting run over.

Anyone know the packet loss of frogs hopping across a desert?

Re:Zmodem? (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 4 years ago | (#28513817)

Telephone records are interesting. The government just has to look at who in Iran is talking to people outside of Iran. Then they look at little closer, or just beat them for good measure.

I have friends in Iran who I'm afraid to contact. We've sent a couple emails saying little more than "I'm well". Anything more is risky.

In parts of the world where posession of encryption technology is punishable, and the government has a "secret police", there's not much you can do which doesn't involve stenography. Stenographic technology is not widespread enough and the nature of it is chatty enough that in countries where bandwidth is scarce, it's not all that useful.

It's all very upsetting.

Refrain from expressing ideas about how to circumvent this. The Iranian government of course can read this forum too.

TOR in repressive countries. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513571)

I used TOR to communicate while 'working' in several repressive M.E., S.W.A. and African countries. While it works, it does not work well (veeerrrrrryyyyyy sloooowwwww...). I found much better success setting up Linksys WRT's with DD-WRT running as OpenVPN POPs in various free (as in speech) countries around the world (make friends on your travels -- give them a free WRT). Run the servers listening on 443 (bypassed 100% of the VPN filtering going on in said repressive/oppressive at the time) and run the client on my machine. If you do this, remember to set for lport and rport, otherwise you're not using pure 443 (and you'll stick out like a sore thumb). Cheers!

Who cares? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28513609)

What does this have to do with Michael Jackson's death?

The Onion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28514185)

The Guardian Council's propaganda must be insane if Iranians are relying on The Onion to get news of the outside.

I hate to sound alarmist (2, Interesting)

The_AV8R (1257270) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514439)

Call it naivety on my part, but am I the only one worried about National governments studying the Iranian uprising, in search of countermeasures to YouTube and Twitter? Judging from various crowd control measures [bbc.co.uk] being implemented (such as 50,000 volt riot shields [europa.eu] , I'm sure there is an interest in figuring out a way around everything people are doing in Iran. I can easily see the physical destruction of a website's servers to be on the top of a government contingency plan. Cut power to Twitter's servers? Done. I hate conspiracy theories, and am looking for anyone to tear me apart on this one.

questions on setting up a TOR relay (3, Informative)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#28514787)

Being interested in "helping the cause", I used to run a TOR relay on my primary system with a fair share of bandwidth. My exit policy was to allow only http/https/irc traffic out. Within 3 days, I found myself unable to browse several websites/forums that I normally frequent. Apparently, a lot of websites use proxies to filter connections from spam and abuse and some of these proxies identify, track and mark IPs running TOR exit relays as abuse relays. I have talked to a maintainer of one such "blacklist" and this is apparently a feature, not a bug as he considers complete anonymity on the internet to cause more harm than good. So, I cannot change the opinion of a blacklist maintainer and I cannot make the websites I visit stop using such blacklists. Essentially I was being blackmailed in a "either you stop running a TOR exit node or you can't browse this and this and this website" fashion. Eventually I had to cave in and had to stop running TOR on my system before the maintainers of these lists agreed to take me off them.

Obviously I want to support the cause of having anonymity on the internet, but I am not really sure that this price of not being able to use internet properly myself is a price I am willing to pay. What can be done about this?

The second problem comes from another point of view. What can I do, as a TOR relay operator, to protect myself from potentially getting harassed by law enforcement non-stop?
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