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Sony Pondering Game/Phone Hybrid

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the too-little-too-late dept.

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A report from a Japanese business publication says Sony is currently making plans to develop a cell phone with gaming capabilities in order to compete with the iPhone. "Sony plans to set up a project team as early as July to develop a new product that combines functions of its portable game player and Sony Ericsson's mobile phones, the Nikkei said." This comes shortly after news that the new PSP Go will be open to "non-gaming applications."

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In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526075)

Apple considering portable cassette player

That could be pretty cool (4, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526101)

I know, I know, it's hip on /. to hate Sony for their DRM and rootkits, and their music division *can* go screw themselves in the eye over that one.

But I like their consumer electronics, they're pretty and they're slick. A game device/phone coming from such a giant could be a huge thing.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526123)

Kinda like N-Gage was huge

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526135)

That was a phone company with no gaming track record.

OTOH, I agree that Nokia make good interfaces and good devices and perhaps we could have expected that particular gamble to do a little better.

Re:That could be pretty cool (3, Insightful)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526257)

the N-Gage was more a gaming console than it was a phone (Atleast, the first one was) and it wasn't terrible. It had a few good games on it, but the catalogue was meagre at best. And using it as a phone was laughable. It felt like holding a banana to your head.

The second one was better on the banana front, but again, a lack of games and marketing doomed it to failure.

Sony has alot of gaming clout, and any hand-held phone/console would most likely be able to run existing PSP games, giving it a significant back catalogue to start out with.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526515)

It felt like holding a banana to your head.

You had to do that, right? I know my head is gonna explode in a few...

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526823)

It felt like holding a banana to your head.

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, Banana Phone!

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

bar-agent (698856) | more than 5 years ago | (#28538633)

And using it as a phone was laughable. It felt like holding a banana to your head.

Sidetalkin'! [jesush.com]

Re:That could be pretty cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526597)

Yes, because obviously since one past product failed to be successful, all future products will fail as well...

Re:That could be pretty cool (-1, Flamebait)

orta (786013) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526151)

I found that after the DRM and rootkits I actively don't buy sony anymore. But it looks like so far there's not much interest in Europe anyway: http://www.edge-online.com/news/uk-indie-retailers-downbeat-on-psp-go [edge-online.com]

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

Whillowhim (1408725) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526261)

My current annoyance with Sony is product support. I bought the Sony reader 3 years ago. I just upgraded to Vista 64 after my computer had a minor melt down. Their software does not support 64 bit OSes with the very first version of the device. Apparently the PRS-500 had its own specialized USB driver, while the current models act more like a thumb drive. So they never ported the specialized drivers over to 64 bit vista, just let the normal USB drivers work with the 505 and later models. 64 bit Vista has been out for how long now? At this point I just assume it will never happen, and they've dropped support for the device only a couple years after putting it on the market. Inexcusable.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526169)

A game device/phone coming from such a giant could be a huge thing.

Likely, but Blu-ray drives are getting smaller.

Pretty, yes, slick, no (3, Insightful)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526283)

These days the usability of a device has to be counted as a significant part of it's slickness. Sony devices get marks for looking nice when they are turned off but always seem to fall short when you want to use them.

Re:Pretty, yes, slick, no (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526325)

Actually, I kinda like their menu interface on the PSP and PS3. If they brought that (or an adapted, touch friendly analogue to a phone somehow I think it could work.

Re:Pretty, yes, slick, no (1)

fullgandoo (1188759) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527233)

Yes, their PSP, PS3 interface is pretty slick. I recently replaced an old Sony camera (absolutely no complaints, fool proof, never had to open the manual, etc.) with their latest incarnation (DSC-T500). The user interface on this one is, in one word "horrendous". Didn't seem from the same company.

Re:Pretty, yes, slick, no (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 5 years ago | (#28536329)

Now you mention it I have one Sony device, a VCR, which has an "Easy Timer" combined button/knob that makes setting timers incredibly easy, every VCR should have it. I swear that the Sony engineer who designed that must have forgotten to mention it in all his meetings and ultimately got fired for producing something so useful when the managers found out after release.

I think the worst product I've ever had from them was a "Network Walkman". It looked beautiful and was tiny but the software was an absolute pain to use. They'd obviously put some effort into it because it had it's own (horrendous) look and widgetry, they just didn't put the effort into making it usable.

Sony's biggest crime is letting the "Walkman" brand fade into ignominy. As a tech company with an existing brand there's no question that they should have been the "iPod" of music devices. They simply screwed the pooch by not giving a shit about the user.

Re:Pretty, yes, slick, no (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526399)

Mod parent up. This is my usual gripe with Sony products - top notch hardware, crap functionality. I've been burned so many times that nowadays i steer clear of anything Sony, even if it looks good on the surface. I've had Sony cellphones, Minidiscs, MP3 players, audio equipment and TVs and i always managed to screw me over with some simple thing that wasn't available for no apparent reason.

Re:That could be pretty cool (3, Informative)

Blue_Wombat (737891) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526373)

Their DRM and rootkits provide ample grounds to passionatley hate Sony, and I do. However, these aren't the entirety of the story, and its more than just this that we hate them for. It's also the fact that they seem to hate their paying customers and operate in their own parallel universe. Proprietary connectors, feature lockouts, unfriendliness to people modding the equipment that they have bought, radio station payola, and an incessant drive to establish their own standards rather than use an industry standard unless it's so entrenched they have no point. Case in point, work gave me a SE phone recently (not one that I would have picked myself - I buy *nothing* with the Sony name on it, and haven't since I inadvertently brought one of their DRM-crippled non-CDs in 2003 and couldn't transfer it to y media player). Anyway, superficially it's a nice bit of kit. However, when I go to upgrade the memory it won't take any of the industry standard cards that I already have - oh no, I need a Sony brand "pro duo" stick that no one else uses, can't be used in anything else, and mysteriously costs about 2.5x normal on a $/GB basis. Then I go to plug headphones in so I can listen to music, the phone has a headphone connector, but instead of using a standard 3.5mm jack Sony have gone with 2.5mm, which you can't get in this country - not even the damn Sony store has them. Then their is the gross hypocrisy a few years ago when the head of Sony music in this country was also serving as the head of the RIANZ (our equivalent of the RIAA) and issuing hysterical media statements about how anyone who format a CD that they purchased to an ipod or music jukebox was "stealing" and should and would be prosecuted. Funnily, at the same time, Sony was selling a hard drive based jukebox that let you do just that - and even had pictures of the shelves of CDs you could transfer hand have available at a push of the button in the window of the Sony dealer in the CBD as advertising. Presumably, Sony didn't then prosecute themselves...... Personally, I think that Sony is over large, arrogant, and severely ethically challenged. I go out of my way to avoid them, ensure that tender bids featuring Sony equipment (eg laptops) don't succeed when I am charged with evaluating them, and dissuade friends from buying their kit. Also, other than for their top line gear, the manufacturing has been moved to China anyway, and quality is no better that kit selling for half the price. I took great pleasure in refusing to support short-listing a bid to supply a fair number of Sony laptops in response to a tender last year, so at least I get some satisfaction along the way .....

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

YouWantFriesWithThat (1123591) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526785)

re: the 2.5mm jack

check out DealExtreme [dealextreme.com] , for a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter: $1.85 and has a built in mic. i have had good luck purchasing from them and when i bought there was no shipping charges. it sucks that you have to buy one, but if you do at least get one that is cheap like it should be. around here similar adapters cost 10 times this much money at a phone store.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 5 years ago | (#28528813)

Wow, did Sony also steal your ability to insert line breaks as well? Truly an evil company.

Re:That could be pretty cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28534061)

Memory Stick (Pro Duo or otherwise) are manufactured by several companies, not just Sony. I have a 4GB Lexar Memory Stick Pro Duo sitting right here on my desk which I bought for maybe 20 bucks over a year ago.

2.5mm jacks are standard connectors, especially for telephony equipment like phones and voicemail hardware. Because the headphones aren't common where you live isn't Sony's fault.

Re:That could be pretty cool (0, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526599)

it's hip on /. to hate Sony for their DRM and rootkits [...] But I like their consumer electronics

When you make this statement, do you take into account Sony's utter failure to provide any official homebrew environment on the PSP or slim PS2? Even the Xbox 360 has XNA.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526783)

I'm guessing you don't remember Net Yaroze? Or the PS2 linux kit? The PS3, as you hopefully do know, is ready to have linux installed on it out-of-the-box.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527037)

When you make this statement, do you take into account Sony's utter failure to provide any official homebrew environment on the PSP or slim PS2? Even the Xbox 360 has XNA.

I'm guessing you don't remember Net Yaroze? Or the PS2 linux kit?

I'm guessing you can't read. Net Yaroze and the PS2 Linux Kit will not help you with the Slim PS2. The pathetic PS2 homebrew community (pathetic in size, because there is no access to the GPU so why fucking bother) was left out in the cold when it came to new-model PS2s, which have absolutely no way to run that content. Incidentally, the Net Yaroze was $1000, available only on a limited basis, and the program has been entirely discontinued. There is zero support for Net Yaroze today, even though PS2 games are still being made.

Please, never mention Net Yaroze or the PS2 Linux Kit again. Both were bread and circuses for illiterate Romans. P.S. Did you notice that you're not allowed to use the GPU in the PS3 under Linux? That's not Linux, that's crippleware. Sony can take their hypervisor and stick it up their ass. Only complete fanboy chumps consider "deliberately drastically crippled Linux support" to be equivalent to "Linux support".

Mod parent up (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527391)

Sony's Linux "support" on the PS2 and PS3 is a joke. I'm not sure why they even offered if (since it's so laughably crippled). There were rumors that they were only offering this for the PS2, and later the PS3, so they could get around some EU import tax by getting the console classified as a "computer" (though that seems to be discredited).

Re:Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28531779)

Agreed that Sony Linux support is a bad joke, but is there any real indication that it would be worth their while to provide full Linux support?

What I mean is the PC has full Linux support, and there is definitely not a homebrew game market for PC that *sells hardware*. That's what Sony does -- they sell hardware. If Linux doesn't sell _more_ Playstations, they should not bother devoting R&D to it.

My impression is Linux support got a little traction internally because a few execs were convinced it would make Sony seem cooler. The Linux fans within Sony got given a little backing on the basis of PR funds, but they couldn't make enough of a financial case in meetings to get the systems completely openend up. Result of losing those turf wars was a half-assed effort.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 5 years ago | (#28531455)

Did you notice that you're not allowed to use the GPU in the PS3 under Linux? That's not Linux, that's crippleware. Sony can take their hypervisor and stick it up their ass.

There's two good reasons for that. Number one, they don't want PS3 Linux to serve as a cheap devkit. Number two, they want people programming with the SPUs as much as possible...in fact, the early PS3 designs had no GPU at all. You can do a lot of video and audio processing with the SPUs [ps2dev.org] , if you take the time.

It was a limited edition and sold out quickly. (0, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527395)

I'm guessing you don't remember Net Yaroze?

It was a very limited edition and sold out quickly.

Or the PS2 linux kit?

It was a slightly less limited edition but still sold out quickly, and Sony never made a version for the slim PS2.

The PS3, as you hopefully do know, is ready to have linux installed on it out-of-the-box.

Granted, that was a nice gesture, but the article is about handhelds. Once Sony discontinued the Clié PDA in 2005, which handheld device made by Sony supports Linux or other homebrew methods? Do any of Sony Ericsson's phones count?

Re:That could be pretty cool (1, Interesting)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526639)

Hating Sony for their DRM and rootkits is dumb: one should use cold hard logic and look at the DRM and rootkit in the context of the wider corporate policy.

Application of cold hard logic to Sony's behavior shows that they turned from a company whose main drive was to create excellent products (once upon a time they were known for the exceptional quality of their products) into one whose main drive is to squeeze as much revenue as possible from their customers, often in deceitful ways such as sneaking into their products built-in limitations in such a way that people don't know about them until after they got those products. The DRM and the rootkit are just some of the most well known (around here) examples of that.

It's like as if you go buy to a hardware store and buy a "high-performance" hammer from a well known company which used to sell great product. The handle is improperly preserved wood and the head is low quality steel so it doesn't last more than a couple of months. You go and buy a specialist screwdriver from the same company and it turns out the tip is soft iron that looses it shape in a couple of months. With most companies, at this point most people would start thinking that their products are now crap, designed to fail in a couple of months so that you buy new ones.
With Sony, it seems there are people which are still dazzled by their past performance (or maybe the complexity inherent to software-hardware mixes) and keep on ignoring the signs that what they do now is designed for restricted and time-limited functionality.

That said, I expect that this new Sony Game/Phone hybrid will come with interesting and exciting new ways for consumer lock in and Digital Right retrictions - all of which will be of course relegated to the really small print in their adverts and prospectus.

Re:That could be pretty cool (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527781)

But I like their consumer electronics, they're pretty and they're slick. A game device/phone coming from such a giant could be a huge thing.

Historically, Sony had very good industrial design -- conservative, but almost always elegant in an understated way. These days things seem considerably weirder.

Their laptops, for instance, are lovely, slim and elegant (though apparently a bit flimsy). Their MP3 players are a wacky bling-fest. SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment, playstation etc), apparently does all their own design, thus the absurdly ugly original playstation, and the hit and miss character of everything after that: PS2 -- big, but not so bad; PS3 -- shiny but clunky, awkward and huge; PSP: not too bad; PSP GO: a joke (but all of them feel very "non-Sony").

While Sony still has some cool stuff, sadly, they've really lost the consistently elegant design that typified their glory days. Now it seems almost more like a bunch of different companies in a loose alliance, than a single organization with a unified vision.

P990i (1)

krischik (781389) | more than 5 years ago | (#28531669)

Sorry but Sony Ericsson did pretty bad with the P990i which is the class of phone you need for "gaming phone". I fact I have quite a few very nice games for it. Only the Firmware is buggy and memory should be twice as much as it is. If they are as cheap with there new "gaming phone" as they have been with there smart phones it well be just another disaster.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526143)

Nokia NGage :-)?

Sony, I have a great idea! (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526273)

Lets build a IPhone!

Re:Sony, I have a great idea! (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526319)

More like a PSPhone, which might not be a bad idea.

Re:Sony, I have a great idea! (1)

sam0vi (985269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28529689)

Exactly! How hard can it be to add a GPS/GPRS/UMTS/whatever chip and antenna on the thing and the minimal required interface to dial a number and write a text. It's already the size of an iPhone, and i doubt the additions will make it noticeably bulkier.
And as a plus, i doubt the device would be as crippled as the iPhone is/was.

Re:Sony, I have a great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526393)

Looking back ... they want to build a http://www.n-gage.com/

Re:Sony, I have a great idea! (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526975)

Lets build a Phone!

Fixed that for you.

Believe it or not, phones were playing games long before Apple joined the party late. I know there's a trend here on Slashdot to redefine the word "phone" with "Iphone", but let's not push it.

Re:Sony, I have a great idea! (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#28533299)

Lets build a Phone!

Fixed that for you.

Believe it or not, phones were playing games long before Apple joined the party late. I know there's a trend here on Slashdot to redefine the word "phone" with "Iphone[sic]", but let's not push it.

Apple is now the preeminent phone gaming platform. If Sony is planning to create a compelling gaming phone, a comparison to the iPhone is apt, and it's a comparison which Sony is bound fall short in.

It's also amusing that you criticize Apple for coming to the party late, while defending a PSP SonyEricsson two years after the launch of the original iPhone.

Nokia... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526281)

Nokia did that and it ROCKED.

Too little too late (3, Insightful)

WeirdingWay (1555849) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526377)

They'll never compete with the App Store and the momentum it's built. Knowing Sony they'll come up with a new proprietary hardware format and given their history, odds are not in favor of its survival.

Re:Too little too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526563)

They'll never compete with the App Store and the momentum it's built

So no-one should even bother?

Re:Too little too late (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527495)

You can't counter a really well built up proprietary method with another equally proprietary method. The way you counter it is opening up, like Android or the partially OSS WebOS from Palm. You don't beat the iPhone by making an iPhone, rather you beat them by making an open platform that by definition will have a ton more adoption than a phone on one network with only a few devices that are supported outside of the phone (such as the iPod touch)

Re:Too little too late (1)

timster (32400) | more than 5 years ago | (#28528195)

Well, someone should bother, sure. Not Sony. Sony is, to understate things a little, kind of awful at producing software. We're way beyond the stage where hardware design is a really important aspect of making a high-end phone -- it's really a software game now. Sony's attempt would be spectacularly bad.

That's why it makes a sort of sense for Google to take a go at it. Or at least it would, if Google had any sort of visible corporate commitment or larger purpose behind the Android project.

Re:Too little too late (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526603)

I think the app store is fine, but a bit like the blogosphere.

I mean, it's the best thing EVAR to those involved, and they get excited about it and there's a lot of activity and a lot of vibrancy and life within the scene.

To everyone else it's just kinda "meh".

Re:Too little too late (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#28533393)

I think the app store is fine, but a bit like the blogosphere.

I mean, it's the best thing EVAR to those involved, and they get excited about it and there's a lot of activity and a lot of vibrancy and life within the scene.

To everyone else it's just kinda "meh".

Sure, but if you're planning to get into online opinion/news publishing, you're going to enter the blogosphere, and become one of "those involved".

Same thing with the App Store. It's a big deal primarily to those with iPhones, but if you're one of those outsiders without and iPhone really interested in running apps on your phone, you're most likely going to get an iPhone.

What you've said is sort of like saying "sports is the best thing EVAR only to sports fans".

Re:Too little too late (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28539969)

"if you're one of those outsiders without and iPhone really interested in running apps on your phone, you're most likely going to get an iPhone."

Yeah, but I don't think outsiders are really interested.

"What you've said is sort of like saying "sports is the best thing EVAR only to sports fans"."

Other than questions of scale - I don't for a minute think there are as many iPhone fans as there are sportsfans - yes. I have no interest in sports either...

Re:Too little too late (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28539977)

Actually, I meant a little more than that too.

The blogosphere is renowned for being full of people who think they're important because other bloggers read and comment on their stuff. It's almost the epitome of a circle-jerk. This is the way I think about the iPhone app store too.

Sure, but if you're planning to get into online opinion/news publishing, you're going to enter the blogosphere, and become one of "those involved".

Yes, and few people bother to do that, and out of those that don't publish, very few give a crap about the bloggings of others.

Re:Too little too late (1)

sam0vi (985269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28529783)

Knowing Sony they'll come up with a new proprietary hardware format and given their history, odds are not in favor of its survival.

Excuse me, but where have you been these last few years?? Living under a rock? No... i remembered now, trolls like to live under bridges. The latest Sony entertainment hardware is more open than you could expect, using as many standard technologies as possible. It's so obvious that i won't even GTFY.

Copy Copy Copy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28526387)

This is very obvious, Sony are usually careful, like all big companies - theyÂre careful about making a move.

They saw iPhone, and the fact that the download store in combination with the homebrew society made for a HUGE success as a gaming platform, and Sony
thought....mmm...vely good, we make The Puss3 smaller again, and put phoneL into it. HAI!

Re:Copy Copy Copy! (1)

Iceykitsune (1059892) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526761)

This is very obvious, Sony are usually careful, like all big companies - theyÂre careful about making a move.

They saw iPhone, and the fact that the download store in combination with the homebrew society made for a HUGE success as a gaming platform, and Sony thought....mmm...very good, we make The PSP smaller again, and put phone into it. HA!

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Copy Copy Copy! (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527003)

By that logic, Apple copied off all the phones that came before them (including the ability to play games).

It's the same old story: Apple do something after someone else, and they're claimed to be "first" somehow; another company does something after Apple, and they've "copied".

It's a shame that Apple didn't add the "copy" feature to the Iphone, since they do it so well...

Re:Copy Copy Copy! (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#28533511)

By that logic, Apple copied off all the phones that came before them (including the ability to play games).

Good artists copy, great artists steal.

Apple is a great artist. What you're describing is merely a good artist (e.g. Sony (who were once great artists, incidentally)).

It's the same old story: Apple do something after someone else, and they're claimed to be "first" somehow; another company does something after Apple, and they've "copied".

With few exceptions, Apple is rarely cited at the "first". They are often cited as the first to get it right, however. See the iPod for example.

It's a shame that Apple didn't add the "copy" feature to the Iphone[sic], since they do it so well...

Ooh, burn!

PS, the iPhone does have copy (and cut and paste). Do try to keep up.

Unless you've been talking about some other product called an Iphone all this time. I never really considered that...

Unless they have some sort of haptics (3, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526459)

I doubt they will make anything all that good. Part of the problem with the game/phone combination is that the input devices for one don't necessarily coorespond to the other. Apple solved this by getting rid of all "hard" buttons(save for one) and replacing it with a touch screen. This works for some games, but many of the games I play use a joystick and the "soft" joystick on the iPhone doesn't cut it. If my finger slips I lose a lot of reaction time trying to find the button again, so the all soft approach doesn't work either. However, if Sony would get back to the old days of innovating, it would be awesome if Sony could introduce some haptics to allow the touch screen to give physical feedback when playing a game.

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526543)

it would be awesome if Sony could introduce some haptics to allow the touch screen to give physical feedback when playing a game.

Knowing Sony I'd wager it would immediately be used to give you an electric shock should they find out that you (or at least have a hunch that you might) play a game you didn't pay Sony a single dime for.

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526655)

Knowing Sony I'd wager it would immediately be used to give you an electric shock should they find out that you (or at least have a hunch that you might) play a game you didn't pay Sony a single dime for.

Are you referring to "piracy" (unlawful copying of major-label games) or to "homebrew" (original apps and games developed by people in home offices)?

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527685)

Where's the difference (from the Sony POV)? Sony doesn't get a cut from either, so it has to be evil.

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28529755)

Where's the difference (from the Sony POV)?

The difference depends on the answer to the following question: If Sony wants to restrict software on PlayStation products, why doesn't it also restrict software on VAIO products?

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#28533613)

The difference depends on the answer to the following question: If Sony wants to restrict software on PlayStation products, why doesn't it also restrict software on VAIO products?

Because they can't.

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#28533589)

Are you referring to "piracy" (unlawful copying of major-label games) or to "homebrew" (original apps and games developed by people in home offices)?

Yes.

Re:Unless they have some sort of haptics (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28534681)

If homebrew consists of programs developed by people not part of a company, and Sony considers homebrew as damaging as piracy, then on which platform should students learn to program before they join a company? Don't say PC because Sony makes those too.

It's the next logical step in hand-held gaming (1)

wick3t (787074) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526461)

Nintendo should do this too or risk losing their status as the leader of hand-held gaming. People already carry mobile phones on them wherever they go and many do not want or would prefer not to carry a second device for gaming. It would make sense to release two versions of the device, one with phone capabilities and one without as there is still a market for children and others who do not want a new phone. My guess is that Sony's offering will be PSP Go compatible.

Re:It's the next logical step in hand-held gaming (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526555)

You used "Sony" and "compatible" in the same sentence without a negation in between them? I admire your optimism.

Re:It's the next logical step in hand-held gaming (1)

alen (225700) | more than 5 years ago | (#28528841)

or nintendo can just sell games in the appstore. i bet selling the software without having to develop the hardware is a lot more profitable. Only reason they couldn't do it before was that Sony was a competitor in the home console market as well. Unless the rumors are true of Apple's game console in development, it's easier to just sell the games in the appstore. 50 million installed base and the device is already more powerful than the DS. The iPhone 3G S is supposed to be very close to the PSP in power

Re:It's the next logical step in hand-held gaming (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 5 years ago | (#28529707)

That's not really nintendo's MO. They've been making their own hardware for longer than anyone else in the gaming market, and always introduce innovations to their control schemes. Nintendo's already done a touch screen, but they also threw in another screen, a d pad, and 6 buttons. Plus, on the subject of the DS, they'd be competing with themselves if they did that. It seems pretty unlikely to me that they'd move to another company's platform for portable gaming when they just released their own portable division is doing decent and they just dropped the DSi.

If only PSP Go had a touch screen... (1)

neonux (1000992) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526501)

...then they could actually have a nice machine able to somewhat compete NOW.
I still cannot understand how they ended up redesigning the PSP without a freakin' touchscreen... without it a lot of nice apps/games are not practical or even possible.

Good luck with that. (1)

gklinger (571901) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526531)

"A people should know when they are conquered." -Maximus from the movie Gladiator

Re:Good luck with that. (2, Informative)

paintballer1087 (910920) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526643)

Not to nitpick at that quote, but I guess I will anyway. It was actually:

Quintus: "People should know when they are conquered."
Maximus: "Would you, Quintus? Would I?"

Re:Good luck with that. (1)

gklinger (571901) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526923)

Perhaps you're correct although I did draw my quote from the actual screenplay [imsdb.com] as written by David Franzoni so I'm going to defer to him in this case.

Say, how many times have you seen Gladiator?

Re:Good luck with that. (1)

gklinger (571901) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527561)

The more I think about this, the more I think you're right. I'll have to rent the movie tonight just to rewatch that scene which means this is going to eat away at me all day. I have got to stop coming to Slashdot.

Competition! (2, Insightful)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526579)

This is more competition in the market, it can only be a good thing.

If it sucks, no one will buy it, if it has great features, other phones will innovate to keep up.

Homebrew? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28526641)

SCEA PR rep Al De Leon said:

The goal in that is to enable all sorts of developers to be able to develop content for the PSP

Did he intend to include developers who operate out of home offices (like Apple's iPhone model, which copied Microsoft's XNA model)? Or is "all sorts of developers" limited to established companies with an office building and a published title on another platform, like it was on prior Sony and Nintendo platforms?

Re:Homebrew? (1)

Logical Zebra (1423045) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527027)

This comes shortly after news that the new PSP Go will be open to "non-gaming applications."

The homebrew folks have been making non-gaming applications for quite a while now, but Sony, for some stupid reason, keeps trying to make the PSP harder and harder to "hack." I'm not sure why this is, since a hacked PSP can do a lot more things than a stock one can do, most notably allowing just about anybody to write an application that will run on it. For instance, you can get eBook readers and calendar applications for a "hacked" PSP. That right there makes the device a heck of a lot more useful. Heck, I know of people who bought a PSP simply because it could be hacked; they wanted the greatly increased functionality of it.
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Sony seems to think that homebrew = pirating games, but this simply isn't the case.

Too little too late (1, Flamebait)

christ0 (1588435) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527059)

Sony have sat on the technology capable of dominating this market long before Apple even hinted at the iphone, and yet nothing was done. Okay so they might get some market (like the PSP gets some market) but really, Apple are well and truly gone with this sector. Sony's lack of joined up thinking between divisions (apparently recently fixed) has cost it dearly, they really should have been trying to pull the PSP into a Smartphone since the day it was launched. Could you imagine the power Sony would have had if they had gaming capable smart phones working seamlessly with PS3s PSPs and Walkman products? I don't hate Sony, but they frustrate me with their inability to develop the cool tech they have.

Android? (1)

BiggoronSword (1135013) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527879)

Seriously, if they want a gaming phone, why can't Sony just invest time into making Android better. Sony Erickson is already planning [wikipedia.org] on making phones for Android, and it's already been established that even the HTC Dream can be a decent gaming platform [slashdot.org] .

If Sony actually followed through on this, I might actually like Sony again.

Re:Android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28529613)

The rumor is that Sony might be test the waters with an Android based Walkman [gizmodo.com] as well.

But the real question is... (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527895)

...will it have sidetalkin'?

Once upon a time... (1)

Swampash (1131503) | more than 5 years ago | (#28527961)

...Sony had a portable music player called the "Walkman" which was so dominant that every portable music player was referred to as a "Walkman", even if it was a clone made by some other company. Sony had the market totally sewn up. Sony was going to own portable music players until the end of time. There was only one small flaw in this cunning plan.

Sony is retarded. Or, rather, the electronic devices arm of Sony became the bitch of Sony's music arm. So everything that was cool about the Walkman was pushed to the background in order that the Walkman could better serve the interests of SonyBMG. DRM, incompatible players and media formats, you name it.

And Apple came along with a better Walkman called the Ipod, and that was the end of that.

Sony can't win an electronic-device battle against Apple even when it starts from a position of total market dominance. How do you think it's going to go this time?

Hint: Sony gonna git raped.

This could be good... (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28528263)

...but only if they bring back Side Talkin' [sidetalkin.com] .

the apps need to be cheap (1)

alen (225700) | more than 5 years ago | (#28528533)

the name brand games in the appstore are $9.99. A lot of good games for $.99 through $5.99. I'll buy an app for a $1 without thinking twice about it.

I think PSP games cost $50. I doubt Sony will sell a lot of these phones if the games cost $50.

Wait... They said this before (1)

wubti (1434011) | more than 5 years ago | (#28533709)

I was there at the E3 where they announced the PsP, where it would have phone, GPS, Camera, movies and a game console.... uh.... We waited for years while none of this came to fruition, the games got crappier, the movie thing bombed (because you could watch a whole movie on a single charge).... Back then (what 2001, 2002), they could have been the leader. Now they are the retarded loser.... The iPhone has all of these AND the delivery channel... who cares what Sony does in this space? Not me.
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