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China Delays "Green Dam" Internet Filter

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the step-too-far dept.

Censorship 86

SailorSpork sends in a BBC report that "China is delaying a controversial plan requiring all new computers sold in the country to be equipped with an Internet filtering software, state media says. The filter, called Green Dam Youth Escort, was to have been required from Wednesday, but the ministry of industry said computer makers needed more time." The submitter adds: "Except of course for Sony, who as reported earlier lacked the moral fiber to hold off installing the spyware, which reportedly is ridden with security holes and uses stolen code. Sony actually managed to ship ahead of the schedule."

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Linux is an OS for script kiddies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532037)

Linux is an OS for a bunch of anti-Microsoft script kiddies who are too stupid to use a real Unix OS.

Dear Xiam: (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532043)

"Green Dam",
Total sham.
Real security:
Green eggs and ham.
Burma Shave

Re:Dear Xiam: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532619)

1) Come up with new Slashdot meme
2) ??
3) Profit!

(at least a Burma Shave meme takes a bit of imagination)

Re:Dear Xiam: (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533001)

Actually they go by Myanmar now, and they BORDER china, they're not part of china.

Re:Dear Xiam: (1)

hipifreq (1323407) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533649)

***WHOOSH***

Re:Dear Xiam: (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#28534407)

I don't think it's a woosh when you hijack a joke. Attempt to anyway. Even if it's unsuccessful. A woosh in this case would be if I thought it was actually an ad for burma shave?

Unless... aw crap, was that a self-fulfilling woosh?

Re:Dear Xiam: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28538747)

You're a fucking idiot. WHOOSH motherfucker

Good work Sony (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532083)

Well, Sony finally manages to get SOMETHING out on time. Too bad God of War 3 wasn't requested by an evil totalitarian regime to oppress its people.

Re:Good work Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532141)

Your sure it wasn't?

Re:Good work Sony (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532239)

No, the reason for the delay is that Sony probably fucked up and they have to un-fuck it up. I'd suggest they start searching for the same rootkit they installed on people's PCs a year or so ago...

Re:Good work Sony (1)

aaandre (526056) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535623)

Actually, it fits pretty well under Circus in "Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt."

Re:Good work Sony (1)

BOFHelsinki (709551) | more than 4 years ago | (#28547481)

Well, Sony finally manages to get SOMETHING out on time. Too bad God of War 3 wasn't requested by an evil totalitarian regime to oppress its people.

Please don't give Sony Marketing any ideas... "God of War 3, Kim Jong-un Special Evil Regime Edition!"

The sad part is, I'd probably buy it.

Sony should be sued for copyright infringement (1)

kubitus (927806) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532143)

where are Sony Entertainment Industry Copyright lawyers? as obviously stolen code is in the green dam software, Sony should be responsible for providing it.

A direct violation of Copyright.

Where are Sony's Copyright lawers this time?

Re:Sony should be sued for copyright infringement (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532911)

...Except the software was sold in China, not in the USA. And who is going to sue them for copyright infringement and what judge is going to convict them when their own laws say that they have to have it in there? Its equivalent to someone 18 years old changing their citizenship to where drinking under 21 years old is allowed and the US cops come and arrest them. It doesn't work.

Re:Sony should be sued for copyright infringement (1)

kubitus (927806) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533565)

but US lawyers always sue, no matter where you sell, if they think they can get a buck out of it. So Sony can be asked to pay or their business in US will have to compensate for this!

Globalized markets: The USA can sell everywhere.

Why can I not buy everywhere?

Transcends "Filter" Status (3, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532155)

The filter, called Green Dam Youth Escort

Filters are censorship. But, if implemented correctly, they're one of the most innocuous forms of censorship. I was initially lead to believe that Green Dam Youth Escort [wikipedia.org] was community driven:

In 2008, under instructions from political leaders, the MIIT implemented a "community-oriented green open Internet filtering software project" with the support of the Central Civilisation Office and the Ministry of Finance. Its aim was to build a "green, healthy network environment, to protect the healthy growth of young people".

Trials commenced in Zhengzhou, Nanjing, Lanzhou, and Xi'an in October 2008 after the ministry negotiated with the software suppliers and 50 web portals to make the software publicly available without charge, and more than 2,000 installations took place. Trials rolled out to 10 more cities, including Chengdu, Shenyang, Harbin, and Qingdao. The ministry claimed that by December 2008, the software had been downloaded more than 100,000 times, and 3 million times since the end of March 2009. Five leading PC vendors in mainland China, Founder, Lenovo, Tongfang, Great Wall and HEDY, also participated in trial installations.

Ok, no biggie. We've got Spamhaus, right? That's a community censorship project against something we don't want--spam! And I love it. But Green Dam Youth Escort seems to be passing the boundaries of what a "filter" does:

According to the Epoch Times [theepochtimes.com], hackers in China had accessed the keyword library and administrative codes, revealing only 2,700 keywords relating to pornography, and over 6,500 politically sensitive keywords which included '4 June', 'Tibet' and 'Falun Gong'. Chinese users of the software have apparently found that it injects a DLL file into Internet Explorer that prohibits the usage of FreeGate, one of the programs commonly used to bypass the Golden Shield Project.

Alright, swapping out a dynamically linked library is transcending a "filter" ... or any label we've invented so far. I must have missed the reports on that but that's pretty shocking to me. If I had to dub this anything it'd be 1984ware.

Re:Transcends "Filter" Status (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532643)

Epoch Times is bullshit. My friend in China tried out various versions of Green Dam and had no trouble accessing Tor or other proxies. It however does block out Falun Gong and the graphic software mistakes Garfield for porn.

Re:Transcends "Filter" Status (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28596311)

Epoch Times is bullshit... And Green Dam blocks Falun Gong. Maybe some consistency next time?

By the way, didn't the Epoch article specify the blocked software to be FreeGate? They didn't say Tor or any other proxy software.

Re:Transcends "Filter" Status (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533853)

The Epoch Time is an unofficial mouthpiece for Falun Gong and is wildly sensationalist (at best). I've seen stories claiming that the Chinese Communist Party is harvesting organs from live Falun Gong members and one that said a Chinese General was advocating nuking the US.

Re:Transcends "Filter" Status (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28542221)

Well the second story was close. They just mis-spelled K-O-R-E-A-N general.

Re:Transcends "Filter" Status (1)

aaandre (526056) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535675)

You got me at "hackers in China."

I expect the next generation of encrypted distributed or even steganography-based proxy software to come from the people who really really need it.

Creativity thrives on restriction. Exciting times!

The Chinese government is not the only one trying to censor the internet, you know. It's the first one implementing it on a such massive scale.

Your own government is watching and learning.

Have a nice day.

Re:Transcends "Filter" Status (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 4 years ago | (#28538325)

The distinction between pornography and political dissent is meaningless. Both corrupt the soul.

Green dam won't ever ship in its current form (1)

sunjay (1536185) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532167)

Green dam won't ship until it goes through a major change. Even the Chinese government would be embarrassed to relese such an unpopular piece of software. Even more so after it was discovered that a good chunk of the code was stolen

Re:Green dam won't ever ship in its current form (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532933)

Even more so after it was discovered that a good chunk of the code was stolen

Ah yes, China, that bastion of intellectual property rights. Also, Sony is already shipping it. China is delaying requiring it.

Re:Green dam won't ever ship in its current form (1)

gclef (96311) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533317)

As I mentioned in the Sony article, I'm really curious to know just how much copyright liability Sony (or anyone else) is exposed to by distributing software that's publicly known to be violating copyright. If Sony is aware that the company they're buying it from doesn't have the rights to distribute the software, and Sony then re-distributes it knowingly, can the owners of the copyright nail Sony for infringement also?

A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (3, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532177)

I've been Sony-Free since about 2004. I purchase no products, services, or media that allows Sony to profit.

It's a pain in the ass since Sony owns patents and rights on a huge amount of computer hardware that people take for granted these days. However, I've made a game out of it, carefully researching all my purchases beforehand to make sure they don't contain any Sony parts or licenses.

There are lots of reasons to boycott Sony. Why not join me over this one?

Jeopardy (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532285)

The hardest part about doing this would be Jeopardy.

Can I still watch it, if I promise to skip the commercials? If I boycott the advertisers? (That's a pretty easy one, no HeadOn for me, thanks.)

Would I be allowed to try out for the show?

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532313)

I don't think anything I own is Sony-made, and it was never really a conscious choice.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532743)

You may be surprised. Wasn't all that hassle about exploding laptop batteries caused by OEMs using rebadged Sony batteries?

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532337)

FWIW, they didn't INSTALL it but put it on the computer for the end user to install.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532381)

You sound like a miserable bastard.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532499)

I've been Sony-Free since about 2004. I purchase no products, services, or media that allows Sony to profit.

It's a pain in the ass since Sony owns patents and rights on a huge amount of computer hardware that people take for granted these days. However, I've made a game out of it, carefully researching all my purchases beforehand to make sure they don't contain any Sony parts or licenses.

There are lots of reasons to boycott Sony. Why not join me over this one?

Dude, That is too much effort and I am way too lazy for that.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (4, Insightful)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532707)

I loathe Sony as much as the next informed geek, but I just limit it to not buying anything with a Sony name.

Think of it this way...you're causing yourself much more trouble by doing all that research than you are causing Sony by not buying their crap. You're effectively letting Sony make your life more difficult. They don't deserve that.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533313)

Not going to deny myself a PS3, considering games are one area Sony CAN and does, from time to time, excell at. Its marketing, humility and consumer awareness they fail at. Most of the first (and second party for the pendants) party PS3 games are simply amazing and are experiences with no real analog on the Xbox360. Thats not to say Xbox doesnt have a great lineup, just different flavors.
Fanboy repellant: I own all 3 consoles, and have comparable libraries for both Hi-def systems. My Wii game collection is understandably smaller

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Ma8thew (861741) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533499)

It's not really a boycott if you don't buy things because you think they are shit. That's just common sense.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

mrjohnson (538567) | more than 4 years ago | (#28536105)

I have a PS3 for games. I needed something because there isn't much happening in the gaming world on Linux and I sure wasn't going to buy an XBox.

At the time I thought Microsoft's dominance of PC gaming would allow it to push into mobile gaming. Then along came the XBox and it seemed pretty clear if all that worked out no non-Microsoft OS would ever see a game again. So I bought my PS3 (and love the thing).

Thank $diety for the iPhone. EA is writing mac games now in OpenGL. Microsoft has been shown the door in the mobile side, though they may still come out with something you don't have to reboot to receive calls (not holding breath). The XBox is fairly popular, but both consoles eventually got crushed by a Wii flood.

Good times. Maybe karma counts for more than just mod points.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532939)

I dislike Sony too and I try to stay clear of them as much as possible. However, when you compare the price of the Amazon Kindle to the Sony eReader ... It's really a great bargain (even though it's still 2-300 dollars). Sure still pricey, but it's a relatively new technology and you should expect to pay a little more.

My brother owns a PS3 for gaming, because his MICROSOFT XBox360 gave him the RROD and he didn't want to mess around with multiple consoles - got it replaced with a PS3 a while back and has had NO issues.

So while it sometimes make sense to exclude Sony from the picture, it's not always the best way.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (2, Insightful)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 4 years ago | (#28534723)

That's the point of a boycott. You avoid all the company's products, even if they're the best because they did something you don't like.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535049)

But at the same time, there are different divisions of the company. The music side is different from the gaming side. The cellphone side is different than the movie side. If you buy a product of theirs that is actually GOOD (the ebook reader comes with SD, not just their closed memory stick and support for open ebook formats - epub), you can vote with your wallet. If they make BAD products (ie rootkit music cds) and we don't buy those, they will be forced to make a change in that area. So while it doesn't hurt the company AS MUCH as a whole, each division can suffer differently and have to make changes.

I dislike the iPhone Apple makes (the lockdown deters me), but I purchased a Macbook Pro because I like the UNIX like Operating System. So Apple sees a COMPUTER sale from ME, but not a PHONE sale.

If you think that a company with that size can change that quickly, you really need to understand change. It's hard to find 'good' change happen overnight, especially a company the size of Sony.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535505)

But at the same time, there are different divisions of the company.

And it is the responsibility of the company itself to ensure that these devisions stay in line.

If you buy a product of theirs that is actually GOOD (the ebook reader comes with SD, not just their closed memory stick and support for open ebook formats - epub), you can vote with your wallet. If they make BAD products (ie rootkit music cds) and we don't buy those, they will be forced to make a change in that area.

Erm, not really. The R&D for those bad products come from profits on the good products. You're basically telling Sony they can still occasionally release something terrible, and the worst they have to fear is that you won't buy that, you'll instead buy something else of theirs.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#28536403)

And it is the responsibility of the company itself to ensure that these devisions stay in line.

Sony's problems, so far as I'm concerned, stem from the decision to enter media production and distribution, rather than sticking with their core competence of consumer electronics. As you say, that wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact the divisions are NOT staying in line. The media side has way too much control over the hardware side.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Cormophyte (1318065) | more than 4 years ago | (#28536943)

I think you're still missing the point. That's like only punching someone in the left hand because that's the one that stole your wallet.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28535805)

That's what's always amused me about people saying they'll boycott companies... but then they make an 'exception' for some of their products because they're good or whatever.

If you only boycott the things you don't want anyway... then aren't you "boycotting" all companies regardless?

There's a few companies that I personally boycott due to hating their commercials (Old Navy being one of the bigger ones). I could care less if they happen to have the same product cheaper than somewhere else, or something only there. I will gladly pay more to NOT go there, or find an alternative.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Mathonwy (160184) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533213)

Hear hear!

I've been Sony free since around 2000, when the DMCA convinced me (a programmer) that Sony was actively attacking my beliefs. (Code is free speech, etc.)

Not that any of their later debacles (CD rootkits, etc) made me like them much more.

So yeah. I second that! Screw Sony, if you don't like what they're doing, vote with your wallet.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

HappyEngineer (888000) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533743)

Like others I just boycott anything with a Sony name. This is particularly easy when it comes to consumer electronics because Sony products almost always use proprietary memory solutions which make the total cost (as opposed to the sticker price) of the product higher.

If a movie has anything to do with Sony then I just always buy it used even if I have to wait for a while.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28533781)

the only problem is Sony actually owns the rights to boycotting Sony.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

aaandre (526056) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535703)

It would be great if you created a web page with a list of products/services to avoid.

Although, who am I kidding, I'll probably keep using Sony Vegas.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28536925)

I only buy USED Sony products myself, I still get a PSP but Sony doesn't see additional money from it.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#28537757)

I only buy used pre-2005 Sony products, myself. Actually, I think the only Sony product that I bought that has been badged as a Sony was made in 1985. (I do have a few Sony-made, Dell-branded Trinitron monitors from 2000-2001, though.

Oh, and AFAIK, I've never owned a Sony laptop battery.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

Samah (729132) | more than 4 years ago | (#28539307)

The shutdown of Lik-Sang [lik-sang.com] was the kicker for me. It put Sony on the "diaf list" along with Ubisoft and EA. Ubisoft for discontinuing Dark Messiah support, and EA for disbanding Origin.

Re:A Sony-free life is hard, but not undoable. (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 4 years ago | (#28539549)

I've been Sony-Free since about 1985. I did own a couple of early walkmen and other devices of the time and they all failed within 2 days to 2 weeks. And what utterly pissed me off is that they always refused to repair/replace them with lame excuse like 'dropped', which was just plain bullshit. I've been doing them great dispublicity with great local success ever since.

Old news + Sony Slam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532333)

So this is old hat plus a slam on Sony... so it makes slash because it's a slam on Sony?

Blame Dick Cheney (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532403)

Green Dam
Some small dams are made of wood
Wet wood can turn green
You could call the boards in this Green Dam 'Water Boards'
Dick Cheney loves Water Boarding
Coincidence? I think not

I blame Dick Cheney for this fiasco.

As previously stated: useless anyway. (1)

kheldan (1460303) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532439)

Even if they mandate that the software somehow be made "uninstallable", determined people will hack around it or hack it out completely in no time anyway.

Re:As previously stated: useless anyway. (1)

unifyingtheory (1357069) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532607)

Right. I've read in previous articles that the Chinese pirate huge amounts of software, much more so than in other countries. Furthermore there are plenty of free OSes out there.

I think the "vulnerabilities" were intentional. (3, Interesting)

SSgt. Lagface (1588425) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532557)

Yeah, call it a crazy theory and call me cynical for thinking that Chinese government wants even more control over the citizens, but the exploit found allowed an attacker to remotely control any system running the software. My guess the coders need more time to "fix" that issue and implement another hole for the government to take even more control.

Can I haz r00tk1t? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532727)

Then why not just ask Sony to install their ill-fated rootkit [wikipedia.org] which they tried to secretly auto-install on any computer that read a Sony BMG music CD?

That's one reason Sony is taking heat here now and forever. Capitulating to a dictatorship just adds to the list.

Re:I think the "vulnerabilities" were intentional. (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532867)

The problem with that idea is that it cuts both ways. Someone could create a virus that uses those back doors to do anything the like. Normally that would be steal people's information, display pop-up ads, harass people into buying fake anti-virus software, etc. But there's nothing preventing a virus from (for example) routing all internet traffic through a proxy (bypassing both Green Dam and the great firewall), playing a video about Tiananmen square, display information about the private lives of the government leadership, etc.

Re:I think the "vulnerabilities" were intentional. (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#28534589)

Sounds alot like that movie Antitrust. Using a mass backdoor to show everyone the same thing, whether its a good or bad thing for the group implementing it.

Re:I think the "vulnerabilities" were intentional. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28540123)

It's pretty easy to make the backdoor only accept instructions signed by a private key.

Sure, you can hack the executable and obtain the public key, but realistically that doesn't get you any further towards being able to create packets signed with the private key.

Moral fiber my ass (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532623)

You want to sell computers in China and CCP tells you need to put that on, you put that on.

Re:Moral fiber my ass (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535521)

Missing the point. No one has mandated it yet. Sony is just ahead of the curve.

Maybe it'll be mandated, maybe not.

Re:Moral fiber my ass (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#28536579)

Like I was saying, you wanna sell in China, and CCP has not mandated it, then you don't have to. Is what I am sayin'.

Re:Moral fiber my ass (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#28537903)

Or you just don't sell computers in China. But, as has been mentioned, CCP said that they didn't need to put that on yet.

Corporations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28532701)

Corporations have no moral values. I hope someday people will be understand that the behavior of a corporation is tied to the moral values of the board of directors/people to take decisions, and I want the law to be enforced on them instead of just applying fines to the company

Re:Corporations... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533331)

Um, part of the reason is the government makes the corporations have no moral values. For example, if Sony were to pull out of China, shareholders could sue Sony for passing up a potential market with a billion people in it. It is the government that makes corporations be amoral, not the people there.

NOT installed (2, Informative)

NivekEnterprises (309259) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532759)

According to all reports that I've read Sony did not install the program, merely placed the executable on the computer to meet the governments requirements. Sounds like a smart compromise to me.

"Except of course for Sony..." (1)

AdetheRare (1538769) | more than 4 years ago | (#28532767)

I bet they still pre-installed all the shitty AOL components on them though...

I'd rather have a communist dictatorship robbing me of my privacy tbh

Any Chinese here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28533009)

I am curious - I often hear that Chinese projects have some name that seems utterly random to me, but probably has some connotations or meaning to them.

Does "Green Dam" have a different meaning, or carry some form of meaning beyond its name?

"Ridden" (3, Funny)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533021)

So I'm thinking of starting a fund to raise money and get Slashdot a dictionary. Who's in?

Re:"Ridden" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28533475)

I looked "ridden" up in a dictionary. It was there, and it had a suitable definition for the usage in TFS ("dominated, harassed, or obsessed by"). So I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Re:"Ridden" (1)

Chirs (87576) | more than 4 years ago | (#28533715)

That one is actually a bit subtle though. In the context, it should have been "riddled with security holes" however it would have been correct to say "security hole ridden". (The latter using the alternate definition of "afflicted or affected by the thing specified".)

Amusing bedfellows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28533481)

Have any of you ever bought a computer or been to China? When you buy a comp you go to a store where a vendor asks you what programs pirated or otherwise you want installed on your PC, then you hand over the cash and you get your computer with a pirated WinXP or Vista. That's how the majority buy their PCs. Hence why the people in China don't see "Green Dam" as an issue because the transaction completely side steps the software. In other words enforcing the installation of "Green Dam" is extremly hard.

The real issue people are pissed about here is the collusion of business and government, ie. why the government contracted an unknown company to make a software using $6 million dollars worth of public money.

Sony Hate and Facts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28534889)

I know /. hates all things Sony and nothing will ever able to make them remotely like the company again but I wish people would at least try and get facts about stuff but this is /. so that is a another pipe dream kinda like Hope and Change I guess. Sony does included the files for Green Dam on new computers but it's not installed and it comes with instructions on how to install it but we can't let the facts get in between /. and some good Sony hating

haha, in US an escort is something different (2, Funny)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 4 years ago | (#28535701)

not sure i'd be pushing for my kids to have an escort... besides they're harder to find with craigslist now lol

The next step... (2, Funny)

JoCat (1291368) | more than 4 years ago | (#28538499)

"Green Dam is the alleged predecessor to a larger and more invasive firewall nicknamed, 'God Damn.'"

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