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NSA To Build 20-Acre Data Center In Utah

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the data-on-the-horizon dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "The Salt Lake City Tribune reports that the National Security Agency will be building a one million square foot data center at Utah's Camp Williams. The NSA's heavily automated computerized operations have for years been based at Fort Meade, Maryland, but the agency began looking to decentralize its efforts following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and accelerated their search after the Baltimore Sun reported that the NSA — Baltimore Gas & Electric's biggest customer — had maxed out the local grid and could not bring online several supercomputers it needed to expand its operations. The agency got a taste of the potential for trouble January 24, 2000, when an information overload, rather than a power shortage, caused the NSA's first-ever network crash, taking the agency 3 1/2 days to resume operations. The new data center in Utah will require at least 65 megawatts of power — about the same amount used by every home in Salt Lake City — so a separate power substation will have to be built at Camp Williams to sustain that demand. 'They were looking at secure sites, where there could be a natural nexus between organizations and where space was available,' says Col. Scott Olson, the Utah National Guard's legislative liaison. NSA officials, who have a long-standing relationship with Utah based on the state Guard's unique linguist units, approached state officials about finding land in the state on which to build an additional data center. 'The stars just kind of came into alignment. We could provide them everything they need.'"

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But will it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556003)

That's all I want to know.

Re:But will it run Linux? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556033)

No. What you are used to refer to as the Storm botnet, is really just NSA Maryland running on Windows machines.

Just picture this data center... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556027)

And then picture Obama standing there posed like the Colossus of Rhodes as his nuts explore all over your adoring face, and he has a good laugh at your expense while you sing psalms to him and offer him burnt offerings. I've never heard of a ruler who has such contempt for their subjects since Marie Antoinette, while at the same time maintaining such loyalty. It's amazing, really. I wonder how long it will take for the last Obamabot to finally admit that change = more of the same with a double portion.

American Money, American Land, American Calls (4, Insightful)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556031)

Knowing what NSA does, this Super Data Center would be used to spy, filter and record all the calls redirected it to by AT&T.
So, now we have an American agency, operating within America, and recording American telephone conversations without oversight of law.
And we have the galls to say USSR was a spy country...
Wonders will never cease!

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (2, Insightful)

slashqwerty (1099091) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556177)

Assuming a typical server uses 500W this data center would house 130,000 servers.

Nominal Intel servers use about 88W (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556439)

Nominal 8-core Intel servers use about 88 Watts now, not 500W. I performed a "green power review" for a customer this year. Their really old 8-core boxes used around 450W, before we replaced them for new and put 6 old physical servers onto each new physical server running VMs. We weren't even trying to push the minimal server solution and the new servers had 4GB RAM per core, so these aren't VM-specific servers, just normal current tech boxes. Also, we replaced all the internal drives beyond 2 for RAID1 boots with a redundant GigE SAN. Fairly cheap upgrades. Their old power draw was 18kVA and we dropped it to under 4kVA. Anyone want to trade out APC units? I know someone wasting power keeping their batteries charged.

Now, these weren't the big 24-128-way servers from HP, Sun, IBM, and Fujitsu with redundant fibre SAN and fibre networking, so your estimate could be very good. Some of those Cisco optics switches and routers can really pull power, especially if you use the power over ethernet features.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (3, Interesting)

BDPrime (1012761) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556631)

That's assuming every watt that goes into the data center gets to the IT load. Though it says in the documents for the facility that they're going to make it energy efficient, power still needs to be used for air conditioning, redundancy, facility lighting, security, etc. Assuming a PUE of 1.5 (PUE is total facility power divided by IT load), which is very efficient, you're talking about 85,000 servers.

But even that assumes all the IT load will be for servers. Certainly there will be power going to servers, network switches, etc., so the total would be lower than that. And if the NSA is using any larger servers (which considering its history, it most likely is), the number could be substantially lower than that. The average power consumption for a TOP10 supercomputer in 2008, for example, is about 1.3 megawatts, which in itself equals 2,600 500-watt servers.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (5, Insightful)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556409)

You don't need supercomputers for handling AT&T's data. You need them for decrypting foreign signals. You know, their mission and stuff.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (-1, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556841)

You don't need supercomputers for handling AT&T's data. You need them for decrypting foreign signals. You know, their mission and stuff.

The NSA's mission [nsa.gov] is securing the nation's communications, something you would have known if you googled for "NSA mission" (even if you were feeling lucky.) Maybe you should just quit while you're way, way, WAY behind? Kind of pathetic that you got modded up to +5 when you are WRONG.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28557233)

You don't need supercomputers for handling AT&T's data. You need them for decrypting foreign signals. You know, their mission and stuff.

The NSA's mission [nsa.gov] is securing the nation's communications, something you would have known if you googled for "NSA mission" (even if you were feeling lucky.) Maybe you should just quit while you're way, way, WAY behind? Kind of pathetic that you got modded up to +5 when you are WRONG.

The parent to your post is correct, something you would know had you ever worked there. You, however, would much rather be Olberman's and Stewart's Bobblehead, agreeing with them only as long as they let you stop smoking their respective poles as they issue left-wing talking points to get up the ire of an ignorant populace. You ass-rods have no idea of what goes on in our "spy" agencies, and you don't need or have the right to know.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (3, Informative)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557309)

If you bothered to read past the first couple of words on the link you posted, you might have noticed it ALSO said, "and to produce foreign signals intelligence information." And the first bullet says, "Collect (including through clandestine means), process, analyze, produce, and disseminate signals intelligence information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes to support national and departmental missions."

Which is what I said. Your sig is pathetically ironic. Fucking retard.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (4, Interesting)

rgviza (1303161) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556869)

Of course this is assuming no one on AT&T makes international calls, or no one internationally calls US AT&T customers, like terrorists contacting a cell that is operating here.

This is probably a small percentage of AT&T's calls... however, if they had any sense the terrorists would get those Go phones that don't require ID to purchase and activate, so yea, it's likely AT&T isn't very interesting to the NSA. But I'm also pretty sure that NSA would never underestimate the stupidity of extremists since you need to be pretty retarded to blow yourself up in the name of a religion that's been twisted to make violence OK.

Truth be told, nobody really knows what NSA does but NSA and possibly the president so anyone here is talking out of their ass because they don't work there. If they did, they won't be much longer ;)

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (2, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556517)

So, now we have an American agency, operating within America, and recording American telephone conversations without oversight of law.

And no manpower to do anything useful with it.

The U.S. government is corrupt. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556525)

By some measures, the U.S. government is the most corrupt in the world.

The U.S. government spends more on surveillance of its citizens than any country in the entire history of the world.

The U.S. government has invaded or bombed 25 countries since the end of the 2nd world war, all for profit. In Iraq, oil and weapons investors like Bush and Cheney wanted control over the oil, and didn't care how many people they killed. In Afghanistan, oil investors want to build an oil pipeline.

The U.S. government has a higher percentage of its people in prison than any country ever in the history of the world, over 6 times higher than in Europe, for example. Some U.S. states, such as Oregon, spend more on prisons than on education!

This Slashdot comment discusses some of the corruption of the U.S. government concerning financial issues: The Investment Banking cohorts JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs are the **huge** winners. [slashdot.org] That comment links to an important article in Rolling Stone magazine that discusses more about how the financial corruption of the U.S. government is operated.

Re:The U.S. government is corrupt. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556717)

The U.S. government has invaded or bombed 25 countries since the end of the 2nd world war, all for profit. In Iraq, oil and weapons investors like Bush and Cheney wanted control over the oil, and didn't care how many people they killed. In Afghanistan, oil investors want to build an oil pipeline.

I ALSO don't care how many people they kill as long as you're the first bastard in line, JACKASS!

Mentally unbalanced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556835)

That's the type of person who is willing to be poor so that his government can spend money killing people in a country he can't find on a map of the world.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556593)

The Tin Foil Hat Morons are up early today.

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (2, Insightful)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557031)

Its amazing to me that even after major legal issues being brought up in the news and by Congress, that even after the president has to pardon phone companies and the like to retroactively avoid further legal issues for domestic spying, people like the anonymous moron above still think it requires a tinfoil hat to believe the American government is spying on perfectly innocent people as part of a huge dragnet scam wasting taxpayer money.

Imagine spending all that domestic spy money on the health care reforms you supposedly can't afford.

Need your attention, FreedomIndia... tia! apk (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556711)

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1287729&cid=28556345 [slashdot.org]

Couple points in there in regards to the "history of the Windows display engine" you might not have been aware of, & also, possibly more importantly, what is in my "p.s." there is a question I would like to ask you also... so, per my subject-line above? Thanks in advance for the reply!

APK

P.S.=> Sorry to disturb you here, otherwise... apk

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556861)

It's the new intersect! Quick, someone shoot Chuck Bartowski!

Re:American Money, American Land, American Calls (3, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557305)

Interesting that the NSA picked Utah for these "data centers". There's been a very interesting history of the confluence of the intelligence community, mormonism and the "wandering bishops".

I highly recommend historian Peter Levenda's excellent book on the subject (as well as other fascinating subjects), Sinister Forces - A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft.

But if you read it, prepare to lose some sleep.

So... (4, Funny)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556035)

The secret service builds a datacenter and announces that in mainstream media?

It will be a very large data center.
It will be important.
It will be secret.
And it will be located at Utah's Camp Williams.

That's very amicable to other secret services. Saves them some searching. :D

Re:So... (2, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556139)

Well, maybe the true secret datacenter is built somewhere else. The best way to prevent you from searching for it is when you believe you already know where it is.

Re:So... (5, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556603)

Well, maybe the true secret datacenter is built somewhere else. The best way to prevent you from searching for it is when you believe you already know where it is.

Well yes, obviously it's a decoy. The NSA knows that we would immediately jump to the conclusion that this is a decoy, and start looking elsewhere. In fact, they're counting on it. They want us looking elsewhere so that they can install their top secret datacentre hardware in Utah.

Except... why make it so conspicuously obvious. They make a show about building this datacentre, so we would look elsewhere. We know that they want us to look anywhere but their decoy, so we look at the decoy. While we're busy looking at the decoy, they build elsewhere. Clever.

However, they've got to know that there's enough people to look at both the new datacentre and all the other sites. Something else is going on. They've got scurrying around like ants, looking for this "true" datacentre. We're focused on the ground. We're focused on the NSA. This isn't about NSA datacentres. This is about CIA satellites.

Re:So... (1)

228e2 (934443) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556769)

Well, now you're simply stalling! Pick a drink! erm, location!

Re:So... (1)

joebagodonuts (561066) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556791)

...and black helicopters

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556913)

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28557279)

So, clearly I cannot choose the data center in front of me...

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556197)

Who said that it really will there? Just because you read it does not make it so. Why was carnivore used when it should be obvious to all that we had MUCH more invasive procedures in place? Heck, the argument for Callea was that we did not have spying capability. Yet, all of our American spying capability was set up under Clinton (and before).

Re:So... (2, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556241)

Finding it on a map is easy.

Getting into it surreptitiously will either be:

a) Extraordinarily difficult, or
b) a) + life threatening.

Re:So... (2, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556289)

Finding a 20-acre facility with satellite imaging is not hard. Finding a building site that is goign to turn in to a 20-acre facility is pretty trivial even without satellite imaging.

Re:So... (4, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556393)

"Surveillance only tells us that they don't store the data on the rooftop"

(ok, it's from a rather lame Simpsons episode, but I'm sure some will get the reference)

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

arb phd slp (1144717) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556535)

It's kindof hard to hide the massive power transmission infrastructure, also. You don't just "hide" a facility that has that much electricity coming from civilian sources going into it.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556305)

I'm surprised it wasn't Joe Biden making the announcement. I hear he likes to disclose the locations of secret things.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556655)

Scrub

Re:So... (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556357)

Try taking pics from public land :)
One tip dont use your own car :)

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556423)

How about some stealth? Paint GOOGLE onto the sides of your cars and be very blatant about taking pics and nobody will think of anything.

It's like breaking into a warehouse. You don't use flashlights and sneak about. You turn on the store lights and walk around like you belong there and nobody will think of anything ill.

Re:So... (3, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557041)

Also carry a clipboard. Nobody will question a guy taking notes on a clipboard.

Re:So... (1)

patro (104336) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556589)

The secret service builds a datacenter and announces that in mainstream media?

It can be a ploy to divert public attention from other more important clandestine projects to this decoy.

Re:So... (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557003)

Announcing that they have a backup data center for all our phone calls and emails is their way of saying "Sure, we're totalitarians--but at least we're COMPETENT totalitarians."

Well, now you know... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556041)

Well, now you know where your can find those emails you accidentally deleted or forgot to backup. Safely in the hands of god, err, the NSA.

Sixty five megawatts (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556049)

65 megawatts of power -- about the same amount used by every home in Salt Lake City

Those must be some big houses. I wonder how much they all use in total!

Re:Sixty five megawatts (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556233)

There's a Mormon joke there somewhere.

Re:Sixty five megawatts (2, Funny)

arb phd slp (1144717) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556557)

There's a Mormon joke there somewhere.

They have to store a year's supply of extra electricity in their basement.
How's that?

Re:Sixty five megawatts (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556587)

A Catholic priest went into a barber shop for a haircut. When he was finished, the barber refused to take payment saying, "You are a man of the cloth... this is a free service that I offer to you." The Priest thanked the barber and went on his way. The next morning the barber found seven fishes and seven loaves of bread on his doorstep in gratitude from the priest.

The next week, a Jewish Rabbi went into the same shop for a cut. Again the barber refused payment saying, "You are a man of God... this is a free service that I offer to you." The next morning the barber found a fitting gift from the Rabbi.

The following week, two LDS Missionaries went into the shop for haircuts. Again, the barber refused payment saying, "You work in the service of God... this is a free service that I offer to you." The next morning the barber arrived to find 12 LDS Missionaries on his doorstep.

Re:Sixty five megawatts (1)

riyley (1122121) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556645)

65 megawatts of power -- about the same amount used by every home in Salt Lake City

Those must be some big houses. I wonder how much they all use in total!

I'm sure they mean every home in Salt Lake City uses a combined 65Mw (per month?), as opposed to every individual home uses 65Mw.

Re:Sixty five megawatts (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557199)

Wikipedia lists three figures for the population of Salt Lake City, with 'City' 'Urban' and 'Metro' as titles. Dividing 65MW by the smallest of these numbers gives a little more than the average per-capita electricity usage for the USA. It seems like the distinction between the city, the urban area, and the metropolitan area is quite arbitrary; most people seem to refer to the entire metro area as the city. By this metric, the 65W would be under 20% of the domestic electricity supply. Note that this figure also didn't include industrial use. If you've ever looked across SLC and seen the brown haze then you'll have noticed that there is a lot more than just homes consuming power.

Re:Sixty five megawatts (1)

worip (1463581) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556697)

Aahhh, but these houses are AMERICAN houses, probably biggest and the most environmentally non-friendly houses on the planet...

Re:Sixty five megawatts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556787)

You just wish your electricity was as cheap as hours so you can leave your lights on 24x7 like Al Gore does, JACKASS!

Hmm (4, Interesting)

moogied (1175879) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556053)

Anyone else remember when the announcement of a government facility wasn't met with constant pessimism and assertions of ill-doing? Me either. I suppose thats our job as 'informed' citizens though.. to constantly second guess our government.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556207)

I suppose thats our job as 'informed' citizens though.. to constantly second guess our government.

In a democracy... yes, it is!

Re:Hmm (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556617)

I suppose thats our job as 'informed' citizens though.. to constantly second guess our government.

Yes, it is because 99 times out of 100 there is some sort of bullshit going on that will never see the light of day.

Re:Hmm (1)

QuantumPete (1247776) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556971)

Not counting the other 99 things that we *don't* hear about. QuantumPete

Re:Hmm (1)

MadJeff451 (841329) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556745)

I suppose thats our job as 'informed' citizens though.. to constantly second guess our government.

Nah, it's our job as avid /. readers to constantly second guess our government. :)

Re:Hmm (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557081)

You mean back when the Cold War and other efforts kept the wool over your eyes?

Tom Lehrer said, when he quit doing comedy in 1973, that "political satire became redundant the day Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556059)

Now imagine a beowulf cluster of these.....

What does NSA do ? Why do we need CIA ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556105)

I always wondered, what NSA does with all that firepower if not listening to citizen conversations ? Are we supposed to believe they do not monitor and listen in any domestic conversations ? Do serious spies talk over a phone about their stuff so NSA can kick their ass ? I thought serious spy business mostly happens in good old fashion way - guy take few papers/copies, hands over the intermediate, they travel to where ever they want to go or encrypt and send electronically. What do we need NSA for ? What do we need CIA for, if all the money we poured in didnt stop bunch of nut jobs from blowing buildings ?

Re:What does NSA do ? Why do we need CIA ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556503)

Well, they can read any text message sent within the USA - got to have some processing power to handle that.

Re:What does NSA do ? Why do we need CIA ? (4, Informative)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556657)

First of all, without a security clearance and need-to-know you will never know what the NSA does. And then forget what MSNBC has convinced you is true about the agency; there are very strict rules as to how any "signals" involving US citizens are handled. There is more foreign collection than you could possibly imagine, and that is where they expend most of their power.

Re:What does NSA do ? Why do we need CIA ? (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556669)

The NSA does signal intelligence. This includes functions such as breaking codes through cryptoanalysis, etc. The CIA is in the 'old-fashioned' spy business. Neither are directly responsible for "stopping nut jobs from blowing up buildings" on home soil: that job, at the time, would have fallen to the FBI, the Federal Marshals, the ATF, and state and local law enforcement. Currently, the agency tasked with this job is the Department of Homeland Security.

Besides, we know from media accounts that the CIA and NSA both informed the White House and the FBI about Al Qaeda's plans, but they were roundly ignored.

In Soviet Russia.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556119)

Oh, wait...

The Answer (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556125)

200 acres? 65 megawatts? Ah ha! So that's how many computers you have to join together to make Vista not run slowly.

In fact, (4, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556131)

We should be decentralizing a number of federal operations. For example, the Smithsonian should be broken apart and distributed around the nation. It is a JEWEL that must be preserved. Having much of our gov. in one location is a disaster in the making. It is OK to put the HEADS of organizations in DC, but the works should be distributed. Basically, we should get to the point, where all major organizations have no more than 1000 ppl in DC. Some exception should be made such as pentagon, congress, etc, but things like Health, EPA, can and should be spread about.

Re:In fact, (2, Funny)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556181)

Good idea!

Travelling collections?

I can't believe that the National Parks System hasn't already done this. They're all clustered around the east coast - we really need to get some here in the midwest.

Re:In fact, (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556425)

His point is better than that. The federal government basically runs an enormous jobs program in the Washington D.C. area, an area that is pretty much over developed at this point. Placing operations in other cities would have the effect of improving the economy in those cities and (probably) saving the government money (by lowering overhead costs and such).

Re:In fact, (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556571)

Still, I intersection of the demographics "want to work for the government" and "IT cracks" is already small enough even without intersecting it also with "willing to move to backwater Utah".

Re:In fact, (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557123)

Maybe they'll have a fly-in, fly-out policy like Area 51? :-)

Re:In fact, (1)

jackbird (721605) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557201)

What medium-size city DOESN'T have a Federal office building or two? What huge government program, especially military procurement, ISN'T made an order of magnitude more wasteful and inefficient by distributing suppliers and operatinos to as many congressional districts as possible?

You're talking out your ass.

Now its the real deal (3, Interesting)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556133)

Fort Meade was always the end point for what was filtered and sucked up on a global scale by the USA and friends.
The FBI, US military intelligence, UK, Australia, Canada, NZ where trusted keep tabs on US interests, internal and external.
Now the NSA is turning inward. Everything that was aimed at "the bad guys" "around the world' is now aimed at you in suburbia.
If the FBI wants your name, they ask your ISP.
if the NSA wants your name ... they are your ISP.

In Soviet USA... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556639)

...The NSA is your ISP.

What? No CFL's? (1)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556165)

65 megawatts of power - about the same amount used by every home in Salt Lake City

Maybe it's having to run the air conditioners all the time, but that's a lot of power to be using in a residence.

Have they checked that it's not grow lights?

Re:What? No CFL's? (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556347)

Air conditioning in the summer, heating in the winter. I've only been in SLC in the autumn and spring, but at that time the temperature alternated between being cold enough that water left on my hair after a shower froze a few minutes after going outside, and hot enough that I was too warm even with the air conditioning running. Nice beer, but not a climate I'd like to live in for very long.

On the other hand, the cold winters mean that they can only run the air conditioning in the data centre half the year. If they're clever, then they'll sell the heat to local inhabitants during the winter.

Re:What? No CFL's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28557053)

Even if it's frigid cold outside they'll still need to run air handlers to keep humidity levels safe for the equipment... can't just open the windows :)

Sounds like a new movie brewing... (5, Funny)

Enuratique (993250) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556179)

... The Hills Have Ears

Re:Sounds like a new movie brewing... (1)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557047)

More accurate would be "The Hills Have Packet Sniffers" but that just isn't catchy.

Climate change? For others only. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556203)

Great, one giant 20 acre heater is just what the Earth needs at this time. And the US goverment is trying to give India lectures on climate change!

Nice work, Senator Hatch. (2, Insightful)

LaminatorX (410794) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556211)

Do I smell some juicy contracts for Novell as well?

Guess Sotomoyer is in. (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556299)

I wonder if that's the deal that was made. You don't get massive defense related centers in your state unless you pay a pretty big political price. I imagine it was, big ticket item for Sotomoyer's confirmation vote.

Re:Nice work, Senator Hatch. (2, Funny)

arndawg (1468629) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556531)

No. The NSA uses only the intersect. No Novell deals here.

That should cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556277)

All this talk about wasted money is making me hungry. Are we in the position to make such decisions in these times? Shouldn't we wait a few months / years before investing anything (even planning) in this stuff?

Re:That should cost (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556649)

Its just in time, locals are getting restless.
Tweet, blog on the upcoming riots, deaths and expect a visit.

Halfway there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556281)

Another data center like this and we could power the flux capacitor!

In Soviet USA.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556335)

...NSA is your ISP.

Cap and Trade (1)

glenfahan (827839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556343)

Sounds like Cap and Trade will not apply to the government.

Re:Cap and Trade (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556949)

Exactly. Notice they're going to the state with the lowest industrial rate for electricity in the country at 4.43 cents/kwh.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html

How do they generate electricity so cheaply? 82% of their generation is from coal, 16.4% from natural gas. Renewables only 1.6%.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/st_profiles/sept05ut.xls

hmm. (0, Flamebait)

strack (1051390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556381)

they could use that big temple in salt lake city. its already used for repression and evil, so itd be ideal.

Well that should cement Utah's status... (5, Funny)

Abroun (795507) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556417)

...as the country's largest per-capita paid consumer of internet pr0n ( http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf [hbs.edu] )

Re:Well that should cement Utah's status... (1)

NevarMore (248971) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556673)

Thats because they are honest folk, with strong ethics and a healthy dose of religion. They know that those sex workers bust their humps and deserve an honest paycheck for their services. Not like the heathens in other parts of the world that just mooch off the free porn.

Utah-ians take their porn like their church. They go in all the way. The moochers who get porn for free are like people who only go to church on Sunday, they just don't have their hearts or their wallets in it.

What ever bitch... (1)

iCantSpell (1162581) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556429)

Disinformation is the cheapest and most efficient secrecy measure.

Re:What ever bitch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556511)

Yeah they have probably already built said facility somewhere else and this is just a smokescreen.

"Decentralized" You keep using this word... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556565)

"Decentralized"
You keep using this word; I do not think it means what you think it means.

Nothing secret here (3, Interesting)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556605)

Anything that's a million square feet is not going to be much of a secret.

"What's this building that I'm driving past for 5 minutes on the freeway?"

"Oh, that's just a, uh... big empty warehouse building."

This is all just a distraction from the "real secret", a 2 million square foot datacenter that they're building in lake Superior's salt mines.

Move over Blackwater, THIS is security. (1)

hoarier (1545701) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556641)

We read above: . . . a separate power substation will have to be built at Camp Williams. "They were looking at secure sites [...]" says Col. Scott Olson....

To whom (in Tora Bora and elsewhere) it may concern: Here [army.mil] is the Camp Williams FAQ, which imparts such nuggets of High Security as:

Q. Where do I call to make arrangements to pick up key's [sic] for buildings and class rooms.

A. Call the billeting office 878-5410. All buildings on post are controlled by the Billeting office.. Call ahead to make sure they are open. Their hours are not the same every day.

Re:Move over Blackwater, THIS is security. (1)

macbuzz01 (1074795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557029)

Did that site design hurt your eyes too?

Why don't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556785)

... people build underground anymore?
Surely the dwarves won't mind that much?

Just great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28556829)

They're trying to build the Eschaton [nesfa.org] .

US Government Hypocrisy (2, Funny)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 5 years ago | (#28556845)

The hypocrisy of the US government never ceases to amaze. Here Obama has been going about cutting back on home energy use, carbon credits, etc. And at the same time, he's going to open a new government facility that uses as much electricity as all of Salt Lake City?

In the Metric System... (1)

superFoieGras (1423701) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557043)

That's almost 81 000 square meters, for sane people.

Everything they need? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28557057)

"The stars just kind of came into alignment. We could provide them everything they need." Considering it's Utah, everything, except for caffeine, alcohol, and anything else that is pleasurable or good tasting.

They should talk to google... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#28557077)

They would actually benefit from sitting down with the google boys, and asking them about their power generating machines using solar cells...made especially for them. This conveys they pay no electricity, or almost none, (not including the small offices)
for their huge data centers... but do you think the NSA cares about saving their tax payers dollars,of course not!

Too bad we can't force them to try and use the most cost efficient way of doing things, especially the military as well!

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