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First Fully Programmable Gesture-Recognition Glove, Cheap

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the classroom-clickers-don't-capture-gestures-correctly dept.

Input Devices 77

Al writes "The AcceleGlove from AnthroTronix, is the first fully programmable glove that records hand and finger movements. Other gloves — like 5DT's Data Glove, which is used primarily in virtual reality — normally cost $1,000 to $5,000, but the AcceleGlove costs just $499. The AcceleGlove comes with software that lets developers use Java to program it for any application they wish. AnthroTronix initially developed the glove with the US Department of Defense for robotic control but it could also be used in video games, sports training, or physical rehabilitation."

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Finally, I can make my Michael Jackson VR Rig! (1)

dmmiller2k (414630) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564393)

Gotta get me one of those.

Re:Finally, I can make my Michael Jackson VR Rig! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28564491)

Wear it when you wank and its like someone else is doing you while you do someone else!

Re:Finally, I can make my Michael Jackson VR Rig! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28566097)

I had one of those a long time ago. You could buy it for the Nintendo 8-bit, hack the cable, hook it to a serial port, and fully program it.

We used to buy them from pawn shops & use them to play Doom.

But I guess these might be a little better.

Re:Finally, I can make my Michael Jackson VR Rig! (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 5 years ago | (#28570203)

I agree. My computer will now know when I'm flipping it the bird, or watching porn. Awesome... !

"Cheap"??? (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564405)

You might consider that price a bargain, for what it does, but that is NOT cheap!

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564551)

Compared to the usual price range which is about ten times what this glove costs, it is quite cheap. Wouldn't you call a new car cheap if it costs just 2000 bucks?

Re:"Cheap"??? (4, Insightful)

JobyOne (1578377) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564621)

This isn't quite that extreme. I would say a "typical" new car goes for $15,000+, so a better analogy would be a new car costing only $7,500.

I would be excited that it was cheap, but I would also expect it to be...well...cheap.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

youn (1516637) | more than 5 years ago | (#28568461)

Oh the obligatory slashdot car analogy to drive the message through :)

So why is this car so much cheaper anyway... lemme guess... something different in the glove compartment?

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 5 years ago | (#28588455)

I would be excited that it was cheap, but I would also expect it to be...well...cheap.

The Nintendo Power Glove was under a hundred bucks, right? Like 20 years ago?

But that was designed for kids, this was designed for the military.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

Clixx (1590223) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564631)

To be fair, he did say it could be considered a bargain for what it does. Relatively: sure, it's cheap. Absolutely: no, I think it isn't.

Re:"Cheap"??? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28564799)

It doesn't seem this AcceleGlove really compares with the more expensive data gloves. It has accelerometers for fingers, allowing you to measure their movements, while more expensive gloves include sensors that measure the actual angles of the joints. Basically, this glove has five degrees of freedom for the fingers, the more expensive ones up to twenty or so.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#28569225)

You're assuming that you can move finger joints independently. Try bending your little finger without bending your ring finger.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28569267)

No problem. It does take concentration, though, but is entirely possible. I'm fairly sure if someone practiced, he could do it without thinking.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 5 years ago | (#28569809)

I didn't think this was possible due to the arrangement of flexor tendons in the palm. I stand corrected!

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

Sinbios (852437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28570827)

Easier when you have a double-jointed ring finger.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

n00854180t (866096) | more than 5 years ago | (#28573957)

Well, for the purpose of something like a game interface, that's actually fairly acceptable, because one can use the inverse kinematics algorithms to reproduce a decent representation of the angles of the joints, simply from the end points of the fingers, that this particular glove *does* track. I've wanted one of these things for certain game prototypes for ages, but no way I'm going to spend $2k+ to get one.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

Rayeth (1335201) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564815)

I can agree that the price seems outrageous, however I would say that cheap is fairly applied here. Also note that the product does not seem quite ready for mass market consumption (something which drives price down much more), and until it is I suspect none of these devices will ever seem "cheap" to you.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564867)

You might consider that price a bargain, for what it does, but that is NOT cheap!

Poor people. Why do we even let them on the Internet?

Misleading Headline Rears Its Ugly Head (2, Insightful)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565045)

Ah yes, the age old complaint about misleading headlines. They will never end. I'm sure cheap in this case is a relative word. It's relatively considerably cheaper than the alternatives.

Cheaper for christmas (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#28566017)

Don't worry, manufacturers are working hard to make these gloves cheaper in time for christmas. It's the replacement fingers that will cost you.

Re:"Cheap"??? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#28567779)

You might consider that price a bargain, for what it does, but that is NOT cheap!

Cheap is relative. I know people who have spent $500 on a video card.

To someone, likely here, they're going holy crap, I need one!

People spend crazy money on their toys, especially when the price comes down by as much as an order of magnitude!

Cheers

Software is good (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28564431)

The voice synth part is annoying though when it says, "stop that or you will go blind!" anytime I move the glove vigorously.

Re:Software is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28569923)

I'm going to program mine to minimize all windows in the event I stop vigorously moving my hand abruptly.
Laugh all you want, but nobody will know what I'm doing if they barge in just by looking at my screen!

Re:Software is good (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 5 years ago | (#28569937)

Laugh all you want, but nobody will know what I'm doing if they barge in just by looking at my screen!

Yeah but they might wonder what you're doing sitting there wearing a funky glove on one hand with your penis out. Especially if there's no porn on the screen.

Self-serve (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28564437)

Are slashvertisements self-serve now? Do you just pick an editor and a dept and enter your credit card info?

records hand movements? (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564451)

Yay! That just opens up a whole new world of sex toys...

Re:records hand movements? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#28567805)

Yay! That just opens up a whole new world of sex toys...

That would be rule 34 [urbandictionary.com] . ;-)

Cheers

Recognize This Gesture ! +1, Helpful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28564467)

    FU !

Yours In Translation,
Kilgore Trout

I love the AcceleGlove.. (5, Funny)

Clixx (1590223) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564469)

It's so bad.

Sweet! (1)

JobyOne (1578377) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564525)

Now I can jerk off with a robot hand controlled by my real hand!

Re:Sweet! (1)

TheGothicGuardian (1138155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28566033)

A word of warning [ctrlaltdel-online.com]

Re:Sweet! (1)

TheMiddleRoad (1153113) | more than 5 years ago | (#28568697)

Or you can just make your arm go to sleep then use it to rub one off.

Comments are bizarre (3, Insightful)

JobyOne (1578377) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564581)

Completely counting my own comment above...it's amusing to me how many commenters immediately took this news to a perverted place.

How good is it for real? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564613)

I remember well a few more "first affordable" devices, from hand writing recognition to HMDs. Usually, you have to sacrifice quality when you drop the price, and usually that's basically what is done.

I'm not saying this won't be a quality device. I just say I've seen it happen far too often to jump on "first affordable" devices anymore.

yawn! (2, Insightful)

Arthurio (1392181) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564807)

So it has 5 1D accelerometers under each finger connected to a primitive microcontroller and an usb controller? Basically no useful software? For $500 that's probably going to be $800+ when and if it ever reaches Europe? Forgive me but this is hardly exciting. Come beck when you have 32 sensors which I believe is the minimum you'll need if you want to be able to record every movement of a human hand. Then you'll be worth your 3 line slashvertisement.

Nintendo called from 1986.... (3, Funny)

gwdoiron (1590237) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564887)

They want their Powerglove back.

Re:Nintendo called from 1986.... (2, Informative)

captjc (453680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565771)

They can have it, worthless piece of crap.

Re:Nintendo called from 1986.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28622391)

Did you ever actually use one? For some games, in the appropriate mode, it was really incredible. I say this as someone who had a chance to mess around with one fairly recently (last 10 years).

Re:Nintendo called from 1986.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28566029)

I love the powerglove. It's so bad.

Re:Nintendo called from 1986.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28568961)

LOL

Re:Nintendo called from 1986.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28567513)

I love the powerglove... it's so bad.

Re:Nintendo called from 1986.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28569031)

LO...L

Wow. The only thing I need is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28564941)

I guess it must be difficult to determine if I'm holding up my middle finger.

Why no wireless? (3, Insightful)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 5 years ago | (#28564951)

Why not have bluetooth or wireless USB. Seems like for something interactive you're not going to want to be wired down for it. If game controllers can do it you'd think something 10x the price wouldn't have a wire sticking out the back.

Re:Why no wireless? (2, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565881)

Why not have bluetooth or wireless USB. Seems like for something interactive you're not going to want to be wired down for it.

Where do you put the battery?

Strapping it to your wrist isn't exactly the best idea,
considering you always want to minimize the mass.
Anywhere else and you've still got a cord

Re:Why no wireless? (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#28568273)

Make it powered via piezoelectric elements. You power it by moving your hand.

Re:Why no wireless? (1)

vlad30 (44644) | more than 5 years ago | (#28568557)

Make it powered via piezoelectric elements. You power it by moving your hand.

1 create glove with piezoelectric elements

2 sell on Fark,com and slashdot

3 solved the worlds energy crisis

4 ??? I think I this isn't required

5 PROFIT

Re:Why no wireless? (1)

ascendant (1116807) | more than 5 years ago | (#28566345)

Batteries are heavy.
Figure out why they didn't make one part of the glove yourself.

Re:Why no wireless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28566897)

That's what she said...

Re:Why no wireless? (1)

JuzzFunky (796384) | more than 5 years ago | (#28567117)

They do. [5dt.com]

I have an application for this.. (4, Funny)

fridaynightsmoke (1589903) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565017)

This gesture glove, combined with a large LED-matrix display fitted to the back of my car would take driving to a whole new level.

Re:I have an application for this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28568439)

Wow you just made me spew soda all over my keyboard!

New iPhone App? (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565057)

This will go great combined with facial recognition goggles ... so, when you flip someone the bird, your iPhone simultaneous texts them, "FU!" while also hacking into their bank account and stealing all their money! ;-)

Synergy effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28565079)

just imagine this glove together with a hot, burning, pink Apple iPhone !
The possibilities are endless.

Re:New iPhone App? (1)

Suiggy (1544213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565725)

Yeah. But only if they release C/C++/Obj-C APIs for it.

Java API (1)

blackfrancis75 (911664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565257)

If you use it with your left hand, it feels like Perl.

Re:Java API (1)

Suiggy (1544213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565765)

Game developers sure do love developing with Java. Yep, this will integrate perfectly into our XBox 360/PS 3/Wii engine. After all, our engine is built in 100% Java. Not any of that crappy C or C++ stuff that the official development kits for those consoles require you use. Nope, I hand rolled my own JRE.

Can it play gestures back too? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565337)

Because if it can, I'm sure virtual handjobs from your favorite porn star are just minutes away.

Applications for the Glove (1)

Akir (878284) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565541)

In interactive media:
take off the glove to smack your opponent as you challenge them to a duel!
play a virtual flute that will make others watching you think you've gone insane!
Fill the glove with Vasoline and pretend you're Curly(R) from Of Mice and Men(C)!
Most realistic boss-stabbing simulation ever!
Aim your gun - WITH YOUR HANDS(TM)! (disclaimer: never aim a gun with other appendages)
Smack them bitches - LITERALLY!
Pretend you're a ghost by activating {noclip} and walking through walls! (disclamer: do not attempt to walk through walls)
Pet virtual chickens!


Coming soon from ANTHROTRONICS!
The IntelliSock (patent pending)!

All your friends will be jealous of you when you wiggle and pick up things with your toes - IN A VIRTUAL WORLD! WOW!
After all, who would like a VR fighting game where you can't _kick your enemy when he's down_(TM)?

Too little, Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28565743)

This technology is already obsolete. Microsoft's project Natal has the technology
that does the gesture recognition without any glove.

That said, there are probably other possible areas where this technology
would be better suited that camera based gesture recognotion as in Natal.
For instance, recording the surgeons hand & finger movements for modelling
and replay/simulation later.

Tonsillectomies over the Internet (1)

srobert (4099) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565807)

How long before surgeons start using these to perform surgery over the internet?

Re:Tonsillectomies over the Internet (1)

Sinbios (852437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28570859)

Tomorrow, if you don't mind buying all the tools and then dying horribly of infections!

Tagging question (OT) (1)

6Yankee (597075) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565837)

How do you tag this !jacko without it auto-completing to !jackoff?

Re:Tagging question (OT) (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 5 years ago | (#28566707)

You don't. [thedailyshow.com]

Re:Tagging question (OT) (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 5 years ago | (#28569903)

Is there a difference?

Building your own. (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565845)

I made a primitive version with a partner in highschool, we did finger bending using potentiometers but never got around to getting position so we used a mouse.
(I was in charge of software)

Now I looked at sparkfun and they have a 6 degrees of freedom sensor [sparkfun.com] for $125, add to that six flex sensors ($13 each) and some sort of CPU looks like something around $40 would do and you have your very own data glove for around $250.

Neither first nor cheap (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 5 years ago | (#28565951)

VR gloves in consumer hands are nothing new. First there was the Nintendo Powerglove and then a while later there was the P5 Glove [vrealities.com] for the PC and soon to be there is Microsofts Natal, which works completly without gloves and instead just with a camera.

I really don't see anything special about this, especially since the price falls in into the fucking expensive category and not into one where it is interesting for the average consumers.

Firs7 pOst (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28566551)

downward spi8al. NetBSD user have the energy antibacterial soap. numbers continue to them...then as one of the the channel tO sign do and doing what up today! If you

5DT MRI glove (2, Informative)

FooRat (182725) | more than 5 years ago | (#28566933)

For some reason the summary links to 5DT's MRI glove, which is specialized for use in MRI applications (no metal) and obviously costs more ... cheaper 'normal' glove is here [5dt.com] .

Re:5DT MRI glove (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28570821)

A thousand bucks is a lot, though. And for five hundred, I want more than some accelerometers. I want the position of every joint in the hand! I'm serious when I say that a five-sensor project like what they're selling here is within the reach of the experimenter. You will need some cheap little accelerometers (like these? [analog.com] ) and a microcontroller with some high-res counters, probably one per axis.

Re:5DT MRI glove (1)

FooRat (182725) | more than 5 years ago | (#28571643)

The problem is a data glove is not a volume product; even if they could make them much cheaper, this will probably never be a mass consumer product. To make and sell an actual product involves a lot more than just the potential unit manufacturing cost of the tech (office space, marketing, software, distribution, HR, legal, accounting, engineers, managers, making drivers etc.) - unless you're talking about a home-made job, you have to add all that stuff into the price. Personally I doubt you can turn any kind of profit selling a five-sensor glove at $500 - the market's just too small - this company isn't going anywhere.

Finally (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 5 years ago | (#28567025)

An input device for those of us that have been frustrated for many years by the fact that computers can never tell when we are flipping them off!

shdfjhsd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28567477)

interactive three finger salute?

Subject (1)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 5 years ago | (#28567541)

I just thought of a great way to use this device for those times you have to reboot your system.

Microsoft's Project Natal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28569007)

Microsoft's low cost Project Natal camera system would seem to make this sort of thing obsolete. Why wear a glove if a cheap time-of-flight IR camera can capture your gestures effectively?

Ads (1)

soren202 (1477905) | more than 5 years ago | (#28578647)

Ads? On MY Slashdot?

It's more likely than you think.

And as a side note.... $500 is never "cheap" unless we're talking cars, houses, real jewelry, or very powerful computers.

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