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iPhone 3GS Finally Hacked

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the almost-like-consumers-don't-like-being-dictated-to dept.

Technology (Apple) 376

Well, the inevitable hacking of Apple's latest flavor of iPhone has happened. Named "purplera1n," the tool will only allow installation of unauthorized applications instead of a full unlock. "The purplera1n jailbreak will free your iPhone from the limitations imposed on it by AT&T and Apple. After jailbreaking, a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones. But the biggest advantage of jailbreaking is the support of unapproved apps such as iBlackList (blacklists and whitelists for contacts) and many others."

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"Finally"! (1, Troll)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#28589963)

Wow, that took a long time... is Apple actually putting real security on these things now? Also, what *doesn't* this jailbreak permit?

Re:"Finally"! (2, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590005)

Did you try reading the fucking article?

The tool does not perform a carrier unlock, which would allow users to use sim cards from other wireless providers than the one they bought the device from.

Nevermind, you probably won't read that either.

And the fanboy appears... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590295)

Our old friend, Larry Bagina - every present, every trolling on iphone related none-articles!

What would this world be without apple fanbois?

Re: "Finally"! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590333)

I think you need to jailbreak the shit before you can run the unlock program. If you have a 3GS, how can you run the unlock crack without rooting the handset?

Re:"Finally"! (2, Interesting)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590561)

Wow, so much aggression. No, I didn't RTFA, sorry if that offends your sense of how the /. community works.

However, the summary stated that this jailbreak "will free your iPhone from the limitations imposed on it by AT&T and Apple" which I took to mean that the carrier lock (certainly a limitation imposed by AT&T) was also lifted. For that matter, SIM unlock is usually relatively easy (for non-smartphones at least) whereas breaking the application lock requires gaining root control of the operating system. I suppose the two features (SIM lock and applicaiton lock) must be seprated somehow.

The real joke was the "finally" in the summary. I suppose to some people it felt like a long time, but they were, after all, looking for an exploitable hole in a very restricted device running an OS based on BSD. I suppose my sarcasm about the "security" didn't come through so well...

Hey guys, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28589973)

My name is Jenna, and I'm asking every single one of you to help me. My boyfriend is this skinny, greasy-haired guido who spends every second of his day looking at his stupid ass hair. He is everything bad with today's youth. Honestly, do all men brag about having fucked their "bitches" last night? I mean, I guess it's because of peer pressure and trying to be accepted, but he takes it to a whole new level. This is even worse than drinking beer all day and listening to Heavy Metal.

Don't ignore me. Please, help me. I'm pretty much desperate. I was a regular at the literature club, and vice-president of the science club. I also had a thing for classical music? I used to get straight A's, that is, before I met him (He just made me blow him; Shit was SO gross). He's a faggot, and I want to kill him. Please help me!

OK... so.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28589999)

uh.... Dump the guy? I mean, im just saying...

Re:Hey guys, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590001)

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Re:Hey guys, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590073)

Do him and yourself a favor. Kill yourself.

Re:Hey guys, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590079)

You came to the right place! We know everything about womens needs around here! My advise to you is..

Get your boyfirend an iPhone!

If he had one of those all the bitches would love him - as would you, because an iPhone would make him get in touch with his feminine side. He would soon start wearing turtlenecks and treat bitches respectfully.

Yours truly,
    Beavis.

PS. Preloading the iPhone with Celine Dion's greatest hits will score you extra points.

y0u fai1 i7 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590115)

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Re:Hey guys, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590413)

I love the counter to this. [slashdot.org]

I will say this though. Heavy metal rules and I would gladly fuck you with a broom handle. Or maybe my nun chucks. Or maybe I would fuck you in the ass with a fucking sword you piece of shit.

Re:Hey guys, (-1, Offtopic)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590601)

I will say this though. Heavy metal rules and I would gladly fuck you with a broom handle. Or maybe my nun chucks. Or maybe I would fuck you in the ass with a fucking sword you piece of shit.

You are either gay or you have a weird ass fetish (i.e. rationalized gayness). By the way, you spelled nunchaku [wikipedia.org] wrong.

Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tones (1, Informative)

sarahbau (692647) | more than 5 years ago | (#28589993)

You can set the wallpaper and use third party ring tones without jailbreaking an iPhone. Apple doesn't restrict them THAT much.

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (4, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590039)

How? Yes, you can set your wallpaper for the "Slide to unlock" screen, but for the screen where your apps are? No, I know of no way to change that short of jailbreaking.

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (4, Interesting)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590041)

They do make it much harder than necessary to make ringtones. You can't just use any old mp3/aac/etc file, and all the documentation etc makes it seem like you have to buy ringtones.

Pretty annoying.. even my old locked down verizon LG phone had the ability to use bluetooth to transfer mp3s and midis to the phone for usage as ringtones.

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (4, Informative)

SUB7IME (604466) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590403)

Assuming you're using windows: Open iTunes. Edit ---> Preferences General Tab Change your Import Settings to AAC Encoder. Right click on the song that will become your future ringtone and go to Options. Make it start and end at the desired times (around 30 seconds between start and end). Now right click on the song (it will appear in iTunes) and show the file in Explorer. Rename it from .m4a to .m4r. Drag it into iTunes. If you didn't have any ringtones before, a new Ringtones folder will be created (icon looks like a bell). A hassle, yes, but certainly possible.

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590493)

I wouldn't even see it as a hassle, it's no different to what you'd do on a nokia or any other phone, except you need to change the file extension.

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (2, Informative)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590505)

AFAIK, that no longer works. You have to use Apple lossless now. My understanding is that they disabled the AAC method because they don't want people making their own ringtones.

Yes, it is a pain, it's unofficial and undocumented, and for all i know will break again in a future patch?

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590533)

Given some people's choice of ring tones, I think that's great news.

Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone (1)

SUB7IME (604466) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590611)

Hmm. I just did it again to make sure, and it still worked for me with latest iTunes and iPhone 3G S.

err, why? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590011)

Why would anyone buy a device where someone *else* decides what apps you can run and what you cannot run? You don't own such a device - someone else owns it, and is letting you use it only under conditions they decide.

I'm sure this will get modded down by iPhone fanboys, but I don't mean it as an anti-iPhone thing, more like an anti-any-device-where-the-mfg-regains-control-after-you-buy-it thing.

Re:err, why? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590057)

So what you're saying is you really, really, really want that iPedophile on your phone?

Re:err, why? (5, Insightful)

kzieli (1355557) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590121)

No. But I might want software that allows me to download and read from Project Gutenberg. Which was banned because a text only version of the Karma Sutra is available. Or I might just want a vm for the scripting language of my choice for no reason at all. I've installed python on every phone I've had that supported it. To date I've never done anything useful with it, but I might one of these days. If you want freedom then you must be doing something illegal sounds like the first step towards tyranny. (Yes I'm aware that its just a Phone, and no I don't plan to get one).

Re:err, why? (4, Informative)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590471)

I have an iPhone 3GS and you CAN get Project Gutenberg on it -- it's just not called that. Download Stanza, then when you open it go to "online catalog", then scroll down and select Project Gutenberg (there are many other free places to get books from with Stanza). It's simple and doesn't require jailbreaking.

Re:err, why? (2, Informative)

kzieli (1355557) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590603)

That was a random example. Used bacause one of the apps famously rejected by the Apple App store was for accessing project Gutenberg.

So that their is a way to do this after all is somewhat beside the point.

Note that here in Australia we probably have it better with I Phones as

  1. No exclusive deals where allowed so that we have four competing carriers who have the iPhone. You can even move between carriers without changing your phone number. Ironically the same cannot be said fro blackberry, which is only available from Telstra.
  2. Tethering is permitted, though one of the four carriers charges an extra $10AU per month if you enable this. THe other three carriers do not.

Re:err, why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590517)

looks like your objections are incorrect or irrelevant.

- you can get Gutenberg texts through Stanza
- you've never used Python on a phone for anything substantive

Having said all of that, I can still see the need for SSH access and a Terminal. Can't get those without jailbreaking (yet).

Re:err, why? (2, Insightful)

dark_requiem (806308) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590627)

OK, let's differentiate between "illegal" and voiding a warranty. Jailbreaking an iPhone isn't illegal. You can jailbreak it, and Apple isn't going to have the federalies come knocking at your door with a warrant. Yes, it does void your warranty. Which makes perfect sense. This is hardly restricted to Apple, and it's hardly restricted to phones. Any number of products stipulate that "unauthorized modifications" will void the warranty. Burning out your CPU because you massively overclocked the thing voids your warranty. You wouldn't expect Intel to honor a warranty in such a situation, would you? No, because it's totally unreasonable when you're running the device outside it's stated operating parameters. You wouldn't expect GM to honor the warranty on a car if you strapped a rocket to the top and run into a wall. Same goes for the iPhone. You can't expect Apple to honor a warranty on a device that the user has bricked by modifying the firmware or OS with software they haven't reviewed (try flashing your PSP with third-party firmware and sending it in for repairs afterward).

I will say that it's foolish of Apple to place such restrictions on what apps you can run, but that's a bad business decision, not legalized tyranny. A better option might be to only offer approved apps in the store, but allow you to install apps from alternate sources at your own risk, but they didn't make that decision, and it's their decision to make. And when a company makes a stupid product design decision, you have every right to voice your opinion regarding such a decision, and every right to refrain from purchasing it, if you feel that restriction outweighs the benefits of owning the product. So, let's call this what it is: bad business, but not a tyrannical grab for legal power.

Re:err, why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590129)

Yes, you're right! And if you'd read anything beyond "iPhone" in this post, you'd see that this bit of news concerns people who are devoting their nerdly skills to making it so that THEY decide what runs on their phones. I just don't get see why this "insightful" comment gets modpoints when posted to an article about people trying to SOLVE the problem this AC is talking about.

Re:err, why? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590137)

Why? Easy: it's a pretty good phone, it comes with some nice apps (including a great mobile browser) and has a lot of other great apps available to add to it.

Isn't that enough?

Yeah, I can't do everything I want with it. And that sucks. But the devices which are better about that are much worse in other areas. When it comes right down to it, the iPhone is the best device for me, despite its locked down nature.

Re:err, why? (3, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590253)

iphone: it's got what people crave!

Re:err, why? (3, Funny)

bshensky (110723) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590263)

it's got electrolytes!

Re:err, why? (1)

speedingant (1121329) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590435)

1000 Babies!

Re:err, why? (1)

blagger99 (473150) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590665)

i love idiocracy references

Re:err, why? (1, Interesting)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590189)

Because maybe they seem to be the only people who can make a decent convergence device?

Re:err, why? (5, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590215)

Because even with that restriction, the iphone is still a zillion times more useful than my old phone.

Sure, I can only choose from Apple-authorized apps, but seeing as there's tens of thousands of those apps, chances are I can find at least one app (or more likely a few to choose from) for pretty much anything I want to do. For most practical purposes, it really doesn't make a difference to me, seeing as I don't really care from any philosophical or ideological angle.

And if I ever have the need, jail-breaking my phone will always be an option.

Re:err, why? (4, Insightful)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590229)

Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade "device freedom" for "device just works."

Re:err, why? (-1, Troll)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590345)

I am sure this would never be enough to convince you (because your head is probably far up your ass), but here is something on device that "just works" [apple.com] .

And BTW, there are other devices which actually just work better. But if you are into bondage, dominance, sadism and masochism, I am sure iphone is working out better for you.

Re:err, why? (4, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590233)

Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs.

In any case, there are no widely available phones that are truly open. The G1 is controlled by T-mobile, and t-mobile can change features as it wishes. The same is true for the pre. Any freedom has one has is an illusion. The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.

I also might suggest that matter of openess has taken a change in times of the script kiddie. Now, a phoneis open if it can be hacked using script kiddie tools, or if one can download a program that will let one do something that generally cannot be done. This is not useful, and are really just indicative of children having temper trantrums because they can't have another piece of candy.

In a more traditional sense, open means that almost anyone can write software. This is where Apple has always been better than some other companies. Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software. Therefore the hardware is controlled while the software is extremely well documented and most tools very cheap or freely available. The G1 and pre are of the same ilk. However, as Apple is commercial enterprise, it does charge $100 a year for the developer. My understanding is that this allow the developer to not only test on the personal iPhone or iPod Touch, but on up to 100 phones. Far from controlling software that can be run, Apples is provided, for $100, the tools one needs to write and deploy code. Android is very competitive here, with the Eclipse IDE plugin. I don't know if the Pre is competitive.

Re:err, why? (5, Informative)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590377)

"The G1 is controlled by T-mobile, and t-mobile can change features as it wishes."

If you keep repeating it, it may become true.

Not that G1 is greatest phone ever made (and you have to be a fanboi to make such a claim, which seems to be iphone-only case), but if you are talking about being able to install apps I want to, I can do it today, without worrying about it being locked out/bricked when next updates come along. Also, I do not have to pay for features when they are released - Android update to 1.5 was free. ("free" - look it up in dictionary).

Re:err, why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590407)

OS 3 for the iphone was and is free.

Re:err, why? (1)

prestomation (583502) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590453)

iphone OS upgrades are free and 3.0 will still run on the original EDGE iphone.

The 3GS was a hardware upgrade. "The "S" Stands for Speed!!"

Re:err, why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590401)

I have a legally unlocked G1. I'm using a T-Mobile pay as you go SIM and using Wifi for my dataplan. I expect I could probably get an AT&T plan if I so desired. The app store is merely a simple-to-use gateway; you can install an android app from anywhere.

How's that controlled by T-Mobile again?

Re:err, why? (4, Insightful)

TomRK1089 (1270906) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590499)

Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software.

That's totally why Apple allows you to install OSX on any platform, and why no one cares about the shiny brushed aluminum cases or paying extra for getting a black MacBook instead of a white one -- because dammit, no one cares about the hardware! Seriously, though, my bad attempt at snark aside, isn't the Apple philosophy high-quality hardware that you never have to muck around with? Isn't that their justification for the somewhat higher prices?

Re:err, why? (3, Insightful)

keithpreston (865880) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590507)

The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.

Open Moko wasn't a platform. It was an experiment in crowdsourcing software for a phone. Go figure, no one wants to pay $400 to have to fix bugs to receive a phone call.

Re:err, why? (4, Insightful)

christurkel (520220) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590241)

Some people prefer it this way, a closed, carefully managed ecosystem. Some of us don't. I would guess the majority don't care and that regard, there is little incentive for Apple to change.

I'm tired of these stories! (4, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590261)

People buy the iPhone, or the kindle, or some other device that requires everything to be signed, then they either "jailbreak" them or whine about the restrictions.

If you want these restrictions to go away stop buying the devices, and educate everyone who'll listen about why YOU won't touch them, then let them make up their own minds.

You wouldn't buy a car that required you to call the manufacturer and get authorisation every time you wanted to put petrol in it or attach those sickly fluffy dice to the rear vision mirror, would you? And if you did buy it despite such a ridiculous restriction, would you then be complaining to everyone about the restriction?

We don't need 2 slashdot stories per week about this. We're just chasing our own tails here.

Re:I'm tired of these stories! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590429)

Who's whining? Oh, right, you didn't RTFS. Or the title.

And seriously, people buy them because the hardware is awesome. No, I don't own one, but I have friends that do, and it's worth it with the restrictions. That doesn't mean the restrictions aren't a pain, or that they don't have to right to say "What the fuck apple?", but it wouldn't stop me from buying one.

If all the geeks stopped buying iPhones, apple would still make more than enough money off the people who don't even know what "DRM" means. However, news stories about it (not just slashdot) could have an effect. Or maybe not, but seriously, if you don't care, don't click "Read More". There's a reason only a summary is printed out on the front page.

Re:err, why? (0)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590325)

As I learned from WinMo 4, WinMo 5, and various phones in between.

Device freedom isn't all that's cracked up to be. No matter how open or free my old WinMo devices were, they paled in comparison in terms of usability and stability(even *with* all of the Safari and random app crashes) to my iPhone.

Re:err, why? (1, Interesting)

ernest.cunningham (972490) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590479)

Sooooo, you have never owned a gaming console? A GPS navigation system? Hell even a car with electronic fuel injection? They all require some sort of hacking to be able to run applications not initially approved for it....

Re:err, why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590621)

That really applies to anything that DRM scheme.
BREW devices - all apps have to be signed, and that signing license is quite several hundred dollars.
Telus/Bell/other CDMA carriers - devices often have to be hacked with BitPim before arbitrary apps can be installed.

Xbox 360 - need to buy developer license to put your own software on device.

I don't give a shit about apps on appliances (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590677)

"Why would anyone buy a device where someone *else* decides what apps you can run and what you cannot run?"

Gee, is it really so hard to conceive that a person might want to buy a phone that's just, oh, I don't know... A PHONE??!! Other appliances that I don't give a crap about writing my own code for: my refrigerator, my microwave, my washer & dryer, my lawnmower, my car, my camera (that's right, a real camera, not some shitty cell phone cam), my printer, my TV, my DVD player, etc., etc., etc... In other words, go fuck yourself, you self-righteous, ignorant prick.

iTunes The Real Problem (5, Informative)

rshol (746340) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590045)

I love my iPhone, I wouldn't trade it. But my biggest problem is not the software the phone runs (or doesn't run), its being locked in to using iTunes. I hate it, I want to use something else, but Apple has locked me out. Don't want me to run stuff on the phone because the network (ATT) does not want to support it? I almost understand that. Don't want me to run software you haven't checked to make sure the user experience it up to par? Really? Don't want me to use software of my choice to allow two pieces of hardware I own to interact with each other (PC to iPhone)? That's pretty evil.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590077)

So why are you using iTunes if you don't want to?

This is an honest question, because there /are/ many alternatives.

If you don't like iTunes, but you /still use it/, that's your problem, not Apples.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590093)

Ok this is a total thread-jack, but what is a good responsive player than can handle terabyte plus libraries.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

BalorTFL (766196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590145)

Ok this is a total thread-jack, but what is a good responsive player than can handle terabyte plus libraries.

Amarok.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590153)

Amarok 1.4.

FTFY

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

BalorTFL (766196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590183)

Amarok 1.4.

FTFY

Naturally. From my experiences prior to upgrading back to 1.4, Amarok 2 has problems with megabyte plus libraries.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590427)

Amarok.

Bahahahaaa! Two words for you my friend: "Rescanning collection..." Amarok blows on collections of a few GIG.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

Buscador (1057444) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590169)

Media Monkey excels at managing large libraries, and is my favorite player app, as well.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

Buscador (1057444) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590185)

iTunes is required in order to download applications from Apple's App Store, and unless there has been a recent change, it is not possible to use another application to sync music and other files while using iTunes only to handle applications. This used to be possible with Media Monkey, but an iTunes update earlier this year broke that functionality, and I don't believe older versions of iTunes will work on iPhone OS 3.0.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (2, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590287)

The iPhone has an app store application, no need to go through iTunes if you don't want to.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590689)

So why are you using iTunes if you don't want to?

This is an honest question, because there /are/ many alternatives.

If you don't like iTunes, but you /still use it/, that's your problem, not Apples.

If you're an iPhone user you dont have much of a choice. Apple keeps changing their database and transfer formats.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (2, Interesting)

bonch (38532) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590205)

So don't buy an iPhone. I'm tired of Slashdotters purchasing a product and then whining that they're "forced" to use some aspect of it. Nobody's forcing you to do anything.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (0, Flamebait)

Artuir (1226648) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590243)

It's amusing you bring that up. Why isn't apple getting into deep shit with the DOJ for antitrust practices? Microsoft included IE with windows forever and they got in a lot of hot water over it - just imagine if they had FORCED users to use IE.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (4, Insightful)

Capsaicin (412918) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590331)

Why isn't apple getting into deep shit with the DOJ for antitrust practices?

It doesn't command sufficient market share.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (4, Insightful)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590365)

Because MS had a monopoly on its OS, and used that monopoly to leverage acceptance of the browser. Apple has no monopoly on cell phones or media players, and thus isn't leveraging a monopoly on one to increase adoption of the other. A buyer who wishes to opt out of iTunes can buy a different phone.

Look at it this way: Apple would only get into that kind of trouble with the DoJ if you were forced to use iTunes to sync any phone with your computer, not just an iPhone. Since that doesn't seem very likely to happen, I doubt you'd see Apple slapped with an anti-trust suit for this. iTMS/iPod is more likely, but since Amazon entered the market, I wouldn't hold my breath for that one either.

Simply pairing a software product and a hardware product together is in itself not worthy of attention from the DoJ.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (3, Insightful)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590249)

Don't want me to use software of my choice to allow two pieces of hardware I own to interact with each other (PC to iPhone)? That's pretty evil.

Let me get this straight, you're pissed at Apple because they don't create a seamless environment for you to use a THIRD PARTY application with their hardware?

Did Apple tell you you were buying a PC, or did they tell you you were buying an iPhone?

It's not evil, it's Apple creating an eco-system that is dead simple to use, and avoiding -- at all costs -- the nightmare that exists in the Windows/Linux world for "here are 50 ways to do what you want."

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (5, Insightful)

BalorTFL (766196) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590369)

There's a difference between not supporting third-party applications and actively working to stop their use.

In this case, Apple's doing the latter, and that's pretty evil.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (0)

ammorais (1585589) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590389)

...environment for you to use a THIRD PARTY application with their hardware?

You see. Yous just gave points to the post that you reply. The way you see it is THEIR HARDWARE, and not yours. I usually don't like to pay for things that will never be mine, but of course it's everyone's choice. Besides, using technology to castrate other technology like jailbreak, reminds me to much of other castrating technologies used by some countries.

t's not evil, it's Apple creating an eco-system that is dead simple to use, and avoiding -- at all costs

You talk about the eco-system theory, but what does prevent them from eliminate competition with this kind of policy. Don't tell me is the high moral fiber, and sense of fair play of Apple. Also, can you tell me what nightmare is there that you talk about Linux world? Of course that's nothing simpler than having others choosing your software, but there are actually people out there that know better

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590491)

It's obvious the GP was using THEIR in the sense that it was their hardware before they sold it to you. After you buy it, you can do anything you want with the hardware. No one from Apple stands over your shoulder telling you what you can or cannot do with the hardware. If you want, go right ahead and take a soldering iron (or robot) to it and replace the firmware. I guarantee Steve Job won't care.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

ammorais (1585589) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590591)

The truth is. I already had, since normally my Apple Fanboy friends resort to me for that kind of stuff.What I'm saying is. It isn't good to resort to hacks to do things that are pretty normal. Of course they probably lost any support they had from Apple for doing this things.

iPhone is a pretty damn good product, but make no mistake. It isn't just a phone. It's computer more powerful than many computers 8 years ago. As a person who truly love computers for the unlimited possibilities that they offer, seeing that liberty downgraded is really a shame.

Also I'm a developer, and just to think what kind of prerequisites my software has to have before is authorized by apple, really discourage me from deploying anything for that platform. Also, as I said, what does prevent them from eliminating competition with this kind of policy? This is the kind of thing we saw early on other monopoly enterprises, and one thing I've learned is. We should learn from the past. Having unauthorized applications is unfair and wrong from my kind of view.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590519)

I don't care about having a seamless environment ... I just want to be able to use what I want to use how I want to use it.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590635)

Uhm, I've never referred to running programs on Linux as a "nightmare". Because it isn't. I've switched my mom to Ubuntu, she doesn't have any problems doing anything and wouldn't call it a nightmare. Plus, does Apple really restrict AppStore Applications from duplicating functionality in other Apps available in the App Store? Somehow, I doubt it does.

Re:iTunes The Real Problem (1)

binarybum (468664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590643)

instead of "at all costs" I think you meant "and with bountiful gains"
    apple isn't exactly throwing themselves under the bus to protect us from complexity.

    You exist in a very scary state of mind when more options to execute your desires and achieve your goals is called "the nightmare"

Only in apple world... (5, Insightful)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590391)

Only in apple world, you use a software running on a desktop/laptop and meant for music files to control your mobile phone.

Kudos to you and apple.

Does this unlock it though? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590047)

Unlocking the damn thing would be the single most useful feature (for use with providers other than ATT).

Re:Does this unlock it though? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590433)

You're still kind of locked to AT&T. I can't think of a single 3G provider who uses HSDPA in the US.

Sour grapes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590069)

So what if the wonks have cracked an Apple product. Again. It's still the best stuff out there in spite of the OSS crybabies ragging on it. (N.B. I neither own or use Apple products. Don't like 'em. Probably have some of their stock in a fund or two. Been a good investment; better than having paid 52 for MSFT at some point in the past.)

"Running unapproved apps" (4, Insightful)

orngjce223 (1505655) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590097)

Why would you run an app that would organize the contacts on your phone, if you're the least bit worried about who the heck they are? Now, the iBlacklist may be just as legit as any app in the App Store, but there's a rather large chance that a version is floating around that actually sends your contacts' names, emails, and phone numbers to an Asiatic hacker or something. Or that the crack itself sends your data to said Asiatic hacker.

I'd say "there's a reason they're unapproved", but the examples of apps rejected by Apple are, to be honest, rather ridiculous sometimes - and they don't inspect the traffic that comes out of their test machines, I'd presume - so I can't say that "there's a reason they're unapproved"... although it does seem like an apt comeback (cue the apt-get comeback joke) to this sort of cracking.

Point? Don't put your data on a machine you can't lock down yourself, I suppose.

How about hacking together some linux support? (2, Interesting)

Myrcutio (1006333) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590155)

Sticking it to M$ and Apple is all well and good (though Apple is starting to win me over, no pun intended), but i really wish these iPhone dev teams would figure out a method to use the phone with my favorite gnome system, ubuntu. Freeing it from the chains of iTunes would go a long way towards this.

Any word on whether or not this method enables tethering on AT&T networks?

Re:How about hacking together some linux support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590421)

it is just a package of an exploit to root the handset

Re:How about hacking together some linux support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590455)

Tethering has already been enabled by patching the firmware from an unmolested non-AT&T firmware.

Heh, captcha is misuse...

The 3GS Unlock is available (4, Informative)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590175)

The 3GS unlock & jailbreak has been available since midnight last night.

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ [iphone-dev.org]

The usual culprits (the iPhone DevTeam) were waiting until the 3.1 release but it looks like their hand was forced by an independent hacker releasing his jailbreak on Friday.

There was a LOT of stuff you after jailbreaking (background apps, tether, etc) on the 1.x and 2.x OS releases but as Apple adds more features with each consecutive release, I'm finding the need to jailbreak a little less compelling. I still will, b/c I find a terminal + SSH alone to be compelling but once tethering is official, I may just go back to an un-jailbroken state. I still need the unlock, of course.

Re:The 3GS Unlock is available (2, Informative)

jonwil (467024) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590351)

If you need the unlock, you will need the jailbreak.

Not necessarily (1)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590461)

You can unlock the baseband and go back to an un-Jailbroken state.

jailbreak justification (5, Interesting)

tresstatus (260408) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590197)

i have an iphone 3g. i jailbroke as soon as i got it a few months ago because of some stupid restrictions. if apple would remove these restrictions, then i'd have no reason to jailbreak.

#1 - on a standard iphone, you can't change the incoming email alert sound... it is what it is. that means, if you have 10 people in a room and they all have iphones, if anyone gets an email, then everyone will be checking their phones because none of that is customizable.
#2 - on a standard iphone, you are limited to a handful of incoming sms alert sounds.... again, same thing as with email sounds.

the only 2 jailbreak applications that i actually use are the 5 icon dock (with the dockflow theme) and cyntact (an app that allows me to see the pictures of my contacts while they are in the list as opposed to having to open the contact to see the picture).


if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds, i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact. i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate, i don't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones, which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8)

Re:jailbreak justification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590293)

yet another slashfag is going to get modded up for breaking something instead of going with a product that suits his needs out of the box.

Re:jailbreak justification (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590511)

Tell me of this mythical device that has A) a captive touchscreen B) A decent mobile browser good enough for light-medium browsing C) Thousands of free apps D) A decent enough camera E) is GSM F) Has wi-fi G) Has a large selection of decent games H) costs under $300 under contract I) Is avalible now in the USA and J) has a provider with decent enough 3G coverage.

The only GSM carrier in the US with decent enough 3G coverage would be AT&T and I don't see them having any Android handsets. And even then the Android marketplace is lacking compared to Apples especially in the games category.

Re:jailbreak justification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590607)

That may be true, but GSM is not the ULTIMATE platform either. CDMA rev. a can smoke GSM f depending on many factors. It can also go the other way around too. The whole thing is incredibly dependent on both the needs and the location of the individual user. This is why the "X" is the ultimate and "Y" is not arguments are so often futile in reality. When you let yourself get emotional about a subject you tend to "find" evidence that supports your beliefs and "overlook" evidence that does not. These evangelistic technology arguments are nothing more than a geeks version of rooting during a high school football game.

Re:jailbreak justification (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590609)

A HTC Windows Mobile phone has most of these

My AT&T Tilt has:

A) a (captive) touchscreen
No. Its resistive. Still its a touch.

B) A decent mobile browser good enough for light-medium browsing
Yes. Download Opera Mini or SkyFire (both free)

C) Thousands of free apps
Maybe not thousands but I can write my own (I have) or download them.
Nobody (not even MS) tries to intervene.

D) A decent enough camera
Its OK (3MP). Other newer HTC phones have better. Like most camera phones it really needs a camera flash.

E) is GSM
Yes

F) Has wi-fi
Yes (And bluetooth etc)

G) Has a large selection of decent games
Haven't looked

H) costs under $300 under contract
I think it was $199 after rebates

I) Is avalible now in the USA
Its actually been superceded by newer, better models.

J) has a provider with decent enough 3G coverage
AT&T

Also has GPS.... Added a 8GB MicroSD card for $20

Re:jailbreak justification (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590671)

Nobody (not even MS) tries to intervene.

But even so, Apple GOOD, Microsoft BAD.

Me, I bought a G1. Not as slick as an iPhone, but it does everything you mentioned (including needing a flash.)

Re:jailbreak justification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590653)

A) a captive touchscreen

HTC Dream - touchscreen

B) A decent mobile browser good enough for light-medium browsing

HTC Dream

C) Thousands of free apps

HTC Dream

D) A decent enough camera

HTC Dream's camera is better than the one provided with the iphone and iphone 3G.

E) is GSM

HTC Dream

F) Has wi-fi

HTC Dream

G) Has a large selection of decent games

HTC Dream (True Scotsman)

H) costs under $300 under contract

HTD Dream is $100 with contract.

I) Is avalible now in the USA

HTC Dream

J) has a provider with decent enough 3G coverage.

HTC Dream (again, True Scotsman.)

Mine's hacked and unlocked (5, Informative)

johntdavies (1549963) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590307)

I've been watching this carefully. I bought the original iPhone in the US before they made you sign up for AT&T in the store, I'm English but these didn't sell them out of the US at the time but as the dollar was so low they were extremely cheap (for us). For several months I used it a rather nice iPod until a rather complex jailbreak and unlock came out later that year. From then on my new Nokia E90 was put in a draw and I became a proud iPhone owner. For many more months it remained unavailable outside the US and it became a show piece in meetings. I didn't get the 3G, mainly because it remained un-hackable for some time but last month I was in line outside the London Apple store at 7:30am waiting to get my hands on a new 3GS. For the last few weeks I've been walking around with two iPhones, one old one with my Vodafone card in it and one new one with a pay-as-you-go (£10/month) O2 card in it. Tonight I downloaded the Purplera1n (mac version), connected my 3GS to my Mac, backed it up and clicked on the "Make it Ra1n" button. A couple or re-boots later, some 5 minutes and I was the proud owner of a jailbroken iPhone 3GS. I downloaded Ultrasn0w on Cydia, installed it, rebooted and inserted my UK Vodafone SIM and it's now all working perfectly. I wouldn't recommend doing this unless you really need to, I could have switched to O2 but I think they rip people off with their data prices (as do AT&T), I can get a full 7.2 meg HSDPA and UPA where I live on Vodafone compared to O2's rather slow 3G service. Although most people I know are using a hack to tether their 3GS on O2 I've been doing this on Vodafone for some ten years now starting with my trusty Psion and an RS232 link to my old Nokia phones, sadly that was still faster than today's data service on AT&T though in most of the US. If you're adventurous or want to have a bit more flexibility over your provider then go for the jailbreak and unlock, I can verify that it works on the iPhone 3GS. -John- @jtdavies

Apple and it's ridiculous limitations.. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590335)

I have never bought an apple product. I have gotton the ipod 3g, ipod nano (video), and the ipod touch 2g. After I have received the ipod touch and found out that apple has removed the "use as disk" feature, I knew that this ipod will be the last one I keep. Of course I will stop this boycott once apple starts lifting its proprietary state of mind (yeah right).

Why is this really news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590393)

Its only an iPhoney!

astonishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28590523)

Daniel Ionescu must really be new to iphone tech reporting.

He made a number of errors in understanding of the topic:

1) "will not unlock the iPhone 3GS" and "The tool does not perform a carrier unlock"
False, it allows 3rd party apps including Ultrasn0w to be installed. Ultrasn0w is the unlock program, which works perfectly fine on the 3GS. So indirectly Purplera1n allows unlock by virtue of allowing the unlock software to be ran.

2) "and older models running the 3.0 software update."
False, it only works on 3GS as it is only useful to jailbreak the new protection only available on the 3GS.

3) "home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones"
False, neither require Jailbreaking.

4) "iPhone 3.1 software update (which would break any hacks the team has achieved)."
False, 3.1 did not currently break the hack. It was fear that if released, Apple would patch it at the last second in the official 3.1 release.

why doing this? (5, Insightful)

PineGreen (446635) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590673)

Jailbreaking is counterproductive. Apple and AT&T will never learn this way. I opted for N97 instead, sure it has some drawbacks, but I am simply not prepared to give any kind of money to companies as evil as Apple and AT&T.

Don't spend it all in one place (1)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28590681)

Hey Mr. Jobs, whatever are you planning to buy with the money you make off of me? Oh wait, you don't get a single dime from me due to your draconian lockdown policies. Your brand of cool I can do without.
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