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LucasArts To Re-Release Old Games Through Steam

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the i-fired-up-x-wing-on-dosbox-just-two-days-ago dept.

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LucasArts today announced that they will soon be releasing games from their back catalog through Steam. The releases begin this Wednesday with a group of eight games, including Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, The Dig, LOOM, and Star Wars: Battlefront II. This is apparently just "the first round of releases," so we can doubtless expect to see more of their old games before long. Joystiq spoke with LucasArts CEO Darrell Rodriguez, who said the company is considering updated versions of the old games, depending on how well next week's launch of Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition goes. He also hinted at the possibility that some games could be ported to mobile gaming devices, such as the PSP Go and the iPhone.

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Ballblazer? (2, Interesting)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599359)

What, no Ballblazer, Rescue on Fractalus, or Koronis RIft?

Re:Ballblazer? (1)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599649)

4 words...

Day Of The Tentacle

Re:Ballblazer? (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601895)

Plus three more...and Grim Fandango.

The Dig (2, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599365)

I loved that game. Wish they would port some of these over to consoles too.

Re:The Dig (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599441)

I wish someone would write more games of the same quality. :(

Re:The Dig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599745)

http://www.telltalegames.com/games

Re:The Dig (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599865)

It plays pretty well with ScummVM on the Wii [wiibrew.org]

Re:The Dig (1)

leon.gandalf (752828) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600873)

A Steam client for the PS3 would be nice...

Let me be the first to say... (1)

Jeian (409916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599367)

... AWESOME.

Childhood memories, here I come.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (4, Insightful)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599583)

"Childhood memories, here I come."

Dude, no. If you value those memories, don't. I would love to play 'Full Throttle' again.

But, I got Novalogic's old pack on Steam last week. I though it would be fun to revisit Armoured Fist 3 and Commanche. It's brutal. They didn't change a thing about the games. 640X480 - hardcoded keyboard commands - NO instructions!

I should have saved my $20 and fond memories.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (3, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600377)

>NO instructions!

Thats really inexcusable. I find almost all the steam games I have bought dont have any instructions. How hard is it to load a pdf of the manual or deliver a real help file?

Steam really has become a ghetto dumping ground for old borderline worthless titles.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (4, Informative)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600429)

Where have you looked?

Remember, while Valve is doing the publishing, the developers are doing the packaging.

Not all of the publishers (or Steam Users) realize that there is an option to let you link the manual to the game so that you can load it by right clicking the game entry. But even then, many of them have the manual avaliable on the actual game's store page if you look on the side bars.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28600887)

get a used copy of full throttle and scummvm and go to town

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

incognito84 (903401) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601445)

Instructions? You know, there is this little thing called Google...

Re:Let me be the first to say... (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601931)

I just played through Full Throttle again last week. The game is still as awesome as the day it arrived in the mail straight from our Lucasarts pre-order.

But nothing, nothing, beats Grim Fandango.

And thank you TellTale Games... (2, Interesting)

greatica (1586137) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599373)

For reminding Lucasarts that we were here all along, waiting to purchase more adventure games.

Re:And thank you TellTale Games... (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599579)

I'm here waiting to purchase more NEW adventure games. Thanks for the back catalog re-releases and all, but I still have my old disks and they work great in ScummVM. The new Sam & Max has done pretty well, so how about coming out with some new titles?

Re:And thank you TellTale Games... (2, Informative)

Briareos (21163) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600139)

What, like Tales of Monkey Island [telltalegames.com] (aka "New Monkey Island") that comes out tomorrow?

np: Tim Exile - I Saw The Weak Hand Fall (Listening Tree)

Worthless humans... (3, Interesting)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599377)

I'd love an updated version of Day of the Tentacle.

That is all.

niggers etc... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599395)

On the 8th day, God took a massive dump, and there were niggers.

And God saw the niggers' poor work ethic and low intelligence, but left them as a curse on humanity.

Expect lots of changes. (2, Funny)

seeker_1us (1203072) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599415)

Greedo will shoot first in the games.

Originality (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599419)

If they aren't going to be releasing original stuff, this is the kind of games they need to be retreading.

Still Waiting on KOTOR (2, Insightful)

k_187 (61692) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599433)

I'm still waiting on KOTOR to show up on steam. I missed it when it was new and the only way to get it now is in some bundle with 4 other games I don't care about. Seriously, it should be in the next round.

Re:Still Waiting on KOTOR (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599589)

They probably have agreements with Microsoft that are a barrier to selling through a competitor. It was an xbox title first.
Also, the pack you're talking about is like $35. One of the greatest RPGs ever made is worth that much.

Re:Still Waiting on KOTOR (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601925)

It's true; KOTOR is worth it. But Bioware was just merged with Mythic Entertainment, owned by EA, who seem to like putting a few games on Steam now and then. Hopefully they could bang something out with Microsoft.

Re:Still Waiting on KOTOR (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28602471)

Microsoft just started their own competing service (Games for Windows Live). They hope to draw users by offering Microsoft-controlled games only on GW Live. So no I don't think that'll happen.

And EA is retarded. They would profit millions of dollars if they would sell the Battlefield series on Steam. Nobody can figure out why they won't do it other than stubborn corporate inflexibility.

Re:Still Waiting on KOTOR (1)

ryl000 (954356) | more than 5 years ago | (#28602003)

There's always eBay. I got my KOTOR from a local Half-Price Bookstore for $5 a month ago, and now I'm kicking myself for not having gotten this years earlier. I'm just thankful at this point that I never stumbled upon story spoilers before!

Excited, but... (1)

Reason58 (775044) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599451)

I have almost all of the old SCUMM games, and would gladly repurchase them all on Steam if the price is decent. Considering their extreme age, however, anything more than $5 is just insulting.

Re:Excited, but... (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600097)

$5 is possible, but I'm expecting $10. (Which, at least for the talkies, I don't think is insulting if they did a decent job setting up whatever compatibility mode or VM they're using.)

Re:Excited, but... (4, Insightful)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600255)

Which, at least for the talkies, I don't think is insulting if they did a decent job setting up whatever compatibility mode or VM they're using.

They'll probably just use DosBox like the other Dos-era Steam games do.

I'll pick these things up for $2-$5 a pop on a bargain weekend. $10 is absurd--that's what they sold for in the bargain bin a couple years after they were released. This is many more years later, and they don't have to ship physical media. $5 is about right. Jesus, it's not like they're still trying to cover development costs on these old games--I don't think it's too much to ask that they not get greedy while taking their free money.

Re:Excited, but... (4, Interesting)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601473)

I hope they *do* use DOSBox. It's practically guaranteed that you'll be able to run those DOS games without any of Steam's DRM sitting on top of it. Just point your own DOSBox at the data files. I run XCOM: UFO Defense this way.

Whatever one might say about Steam's DRM scheme and how it's supposed to work or not, I appreciate that I can sidestep the issue completely by running it in my own DOSBox install.

Re:Excited, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28602749)

The ones I would buy are the ones I already bought 10+ years ago. I can still play them using scummvm even in OpenBSD. I won't use a DRM-laden platform to repurchase them.
However, if some kid is watching this and is using Steam anyways, be sure to get the Indiana Jones games and the two first Monkey Islands, you won't regret it.

Extremely cool (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599461)

Too bad the talent has withered away since they closed down their adventure division. Still got my Amiga and PC originals, but if they release all games in one box eventually, like the Orange Box, I'll get these enhanced versions.

Bring back... (5, Insightful)

maino82 (851720) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599517)

Tie Fighter! Or any of the same ilk. Updated graphics would be nice, but it would totally be worth going out and buying a joystick if they brought the space sims back even in their original form.

Re:Bring back... (1)

Mordac (1009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599585)

Tie Fighter is still one of my absolute favorite games of all time. Even as I upgraded my computer for years I'd make sure I could still play it somehow. Its also the only reason I have a joystick.

So yes, I'd love to see it come back. I love Tie Fighters version of space combat.

Re:Bring back... (4, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600123)

Tie Fighter is still one of my absolute favorite games of all time. Even as I upgraded my computer for years I'd make sure I could still play it somehow. Its also the only reason I have a joystick.

So yes, I'd love to see it come back. I love Tie Fighters version of space combat.

Get X-Wing Alliance. Seriously. It's the last of the Original Trilogy space games, or so LucasArts pledged when the nuTrilogy was coming out. All the yummy Tie Fighter goodness with a much better story! Worth playing.

Re:Bring back... (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 5 years ago | (#28602463)

ohhhh yeah i had forgotten about that one. *Great* game, I still say Id like all of them brought back with multiplayer support.

Re:Bring back... (1)

Imagix (695350) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599655)

Absolutely yes! I sorely miss the age of the space combat sims. X-Wing, Descent Freespace.... those were the days.

Re:Bring back... (2, Informative)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599775)

I completely agree... it's been ten years since a Star Wars simulation was released, and that's just too long! There's been a fair amount of homebrew work at updating the models for X-Wing: Alliance [wikipedia.org] , but I think it's time to see another game built from the ground up taking advantage of newer hardware and internet play. And there is a ton of unexplored room with the first three episode's.

I think there's a lot of room for a MMORPG that is just around a Star Wars space sim.

Re:Bring back... (3, Insightful)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600039)

Careful what you wish for--a modern version would probably be released for consoles, too, and would therefor lack the deep controls that made those games what they were. Shield (and perhaps power management in general) would probably be totally gone, for one thing.

Re:Bring back... (2, Interesting)

Nimey (114278) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601703)

Heh, that'd be the fourth rehash of TIE Fighter. First was the floppy MS-DOS version, then the CD-ROM MS-DOS "Collector's Edition", and then a Windows 9x version with 3D effects.

I think X-Wing had the same number and types of re-releases.

Re:Bring back... (2, Interesting)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 5 years ago | (#28602445)

another vote for TIE Fighter, or X vs T. I played the bejesus out of TIE Fighter, X wing was good, but broadband wasnt quite available enough for me to enjoy X vs T

I dont have a copy of any of those anymore, but Id gladly buy them if they got a revamp and were available as a set for a decent price

Nostalga (3, Informative)

AdamBv1 (1382569) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599551)

while everyone is feeling nostalgic about their old favorite LucasArts games i would like to point out http://www.gog.com/ [gog.com] for everyones old game pleasure. Lots of our old classic favorites at great prices, DRM free and even works on vista/7.

Re:Nostalga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599937)

You'd think these games would be perfect for GOG, but Noooooooooooooo. :(

Re:Nostalga (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600055)

They want to charge too much money. $5.99/$9.99 DRM-free doesn't fit LucasArts' business model. ;)

Re:Nostalga (2, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600313)

That may well be, but they won't be getting any of my money as a result. I'm absolutely unwilling to rent games via steam. The fact that they retain the right to deactivate the entire account should there be a violation of the terms or the account is broken into is sufficient to convince me not to do business with them.

I'm not going to give them money when they can take all the items back without issuing a refund. I don't pirate games and I'll be damned if I have anything to do with software so crippled.

Re:Nostalga (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600067)

Hehe, there's some good ones on there! I just picked up Septerra Core and Disciples II. I can live with the hard-coded resolutions of the past; these games are still fun!

Re:Nostalga (Nostalgia?) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28600387)

I am actually disappointed by this announcement, precisely because I would rather get the games from Good Old Games and be sure they -are- DRM free, and, more importantly, made to work on modern systems.

Not to look far, the Steam release of X-Com refused to run on a friend's Vista machine, whereas a DOSbox setup for my old copy of the original release worked without issues.

Otherwise blow them, at this point asking money for something rightfully belonging in public archives without doing any effort to actually put value in it is just.. well, typical business model of the media companies...
If you want to milk old games, at least make them bloody playable on modern systems - which is what I pay GOG for - not just the game itself.

Re:Nostalga (Nostalgia?) (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600583)

X-Com's relaunch failed mostly because the two companies that made it no longer exist and the property is now owned by a money grubing meglocorp (Hasbro). Beyond that, they had lost the source code to the games and weren't even able to find all the versions (i.e Windows binary vs DOS) to allow them to set it up correctly.

Conversely, LusasArts is still LusasArts, and the majority of the games they are doing this round are games that were designed to be run in a virtual machine that today is so well understood and documented that there is a third party emulator out there for it (scummvm).

Even if LusasArts went the crap route, you'd still be able to play the games just by installing them and then using SCUMMVM rather than the prepackaged binaries.

Re:Nostalga (Nostalgia?) (1)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601499)

Run XCOM in DOSBox. That's how Steam rents it to you anyway - just install your own DOSBox and point it at the data files.

It runs significantly better that way than any rejiggered wrapped up Windows .exe would. Also: built in processor slowdown emulation!

Re:Nostalga (Nostalgia?) (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601579)

Not at home, so I can't give the details, but one of the X-Com games Steam does do DOSBox for and the other is actually a windows executable (i.e. won't run in DOSBox) and was released as such because they couldn't find a working DOS version. The last I checked (which was a week after the games hit Steam) there were a few devs claiming they were working on finding a copy that would work and that they'd release it via steam as an update to the game.

Re:Nostalga (Nostalgia?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28601761)

Maybe I should give them a call, I have three different original release versions...

Naah. I'll just hog them. Along with the original packaging.

The way economy is going, call it my retirement plan.

Re:Nostalga (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600447)

Here's what might be a stupid question, but do you know if those games run on parallels/fusion/virtual box, or crossover games on OS X?

Re:Nostalga (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600977)

Crossover games will run the newer stuff, scummvm for the older.

All the new Sam & Max games run fine in crossover/wine.

Re:Nostalga (1)

Sheafification (1205046) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600649)

Amen to this. I was actually a little disappointed to hear that LucasArts would be going with Steam as I only buy DRM-free versions via GOG.

I know, I know. Steam has minimal intrusion and they promise they'll release patches to remove the DRM if they go out of business. I, however, much prefer the no-intrusion system where I don't have take any promises on faith.

Re:Nostalga (2, Informative)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600695)

In the case of most of these 'old' games, there is zero DRM. You install the game and you can launch it from it's folder just as you could back in the old days. DRM, for the most part, is reserved for modern games.

Re:Nostalga (3, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601833)

The only DRM for dosbox games over steam is the encryption used to send your CC# to Valve. You can take your /dosboxgame directory and play it in linux under dosbox there and it works just fine. Also all of Valve's games work just fine in offline mode. (i.e. Valve auth servers destroyed in a nuclear attack or---heaven forbid the internet goes down for a day). Steam has gone down repeatedly recently with all their steamcloud updates (particularly during major TF2 updates) and nobody notices that steam's not working until they stop getting random unlocks for an hour or two.
 
So yes, Virginia, you can backup your precious $2.99 dosbox steam-bought games.

Re:Nostalga (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601103)

Yes, this. Put them on GOG.com and I'll buy them. I want Grim Fandango myself as I missed that one when it first came out. But I'm not touching Steam.

Re:Nostalga (1)

g051051 (71145) | more than 5 years ago | (#28602329)

Just to let people know...GOG just bundles the original games with ScummVM and calls it a day. Not necessarily a problem since they have ScummVM approval, but if you're expecting some kind of port, you'll be disappointed. They caught me that way with Redneck Rampage. The web site says "Thanks to our handsome programming team, the classics are now Windows Vista and Windows XP compatible.", but they certainly didn't do any programming in that case. They just used DosBOX with a custom config file and that was it. I also got hooked by Sierra when they did the same thing with Kings' Quest and Space Quest collections. If you still own the games, you can just use ScummVM [scummvm.org] or DosBOX [dosbox.com] .

With that said, if you are looking for legal copies of these games, or aren't technically inclined, then GOG is a good way to get them.

Full Throttle....or else... (1)

Ceseuron (944486) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599553)

I demand a re-release of Full Throttle to be included in this.

Re:Full Throttle....or else... (1)

vonPoonBurGer (680105) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599915)

Agreed, because you can't beat a Corley!

Re:Full Throttle....or else... (1)

schon (31600) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600105)

you can't beat a Corley!

Unless your name is Ripburger, and you do it with your cane. :)

Grim Fandango? (4, Interesting)

obarel (670863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599559)

How can they not give this game the credit it deserves? One of the few games I almost cried when I finished it - it was the perfect game, I just didn't want it to end.

Re:Grim Fandango? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599605)

Grim Fandango has aged incredibly well. No need for a rerelease or an updated version. And bloody hell, NO SEQUEL!

Re:Grim Fandango? (2, Interesting)

scubamage (727538) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599835)

Same thoughts here. Grim Fandango is an AMAZING game, quite possibly one of the greatest games ever made. Plus it was one of the very first games to use any sort of hardware acceleration, a pretty big deal in its time. I really hope they consider it.

Great - Tie Fighter, please come back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599567)

I hope they release Tie Fighter. I loved that game.

Star Wars: TIE Fighter [wikipedia.org]

The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

fyrie (604735) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599575)

I wonder if this is now a trend. GOG and now Lucasarts are putting abandonware titles back on the market.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (3, Interesting)

CarAnalogy (1191053) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599753)

Unlikely...

The titles you see appearing in places like GOG and Steam are almost all well-known big titles by companies that still exist. This is only a very small part of what most abandonware websites offer. There's a huge number of great games that never gained any real following due to various reasons, or are owned by companies which no longer exist now.

In short, the real meaning of "abandonware" is exactly what its name implies: software which can be considered abandoned, preferably because there is no (clear) copyright holder anymore.

Then again, I can probably be considered biased, since I am webmaster of an abandonware site myself :)

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600345)

I wish the US government would clarify abandonware in some fashion. Either grant the right to anybody that wishes to use it or start a sort of lost and found for abandoned software registry to license it out. It's completely against the intent of IP for it to be locked up and essentially owned by nobody while simultaneously preventing people from making use of it either.

I mean really, it's supposed to spur innovation and the creation of more, neither of which is furthered by protecting outfits that are no longer in existence.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600087)

It's not Abandonware if the company owning the rights is still selling it through some venue.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28601687)

Although it is if you can't use the original platform the software was designed for through that venue.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600089)

Now if only there were more of a focus on emulation of the platforms these games play on. I tried playing Fallout 2 on one of my computers a little while back, and even though it should run on Windows XP, it kept crashing because of a conflict with my video card. I've tried playing some old DOS games in an emulator on my Mac, and some worked, but they took a fair amount of mucking around and lots of things just didn't work.

It'd be nice if some company like GOG were to release (or endorse) an open source emulator platform and certify the games to run on them, basically guaranteeing you future proof access to the games you bought.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600173)

Steam just uses DosBox, which works great.

Sorry to hear about F2. One of my favorite games of all time. If you haven't tried it, I recommend giving the Fallout 2 Restoration Project mod a whirl.

Also, if you haven't played Arcanum, you need to. Didn't discover it 'till years after Fallout 2, but it's a very similar game engine (set the battle mode to turn-based rather than real-time--which you'll pretty much have to do if you don't want to die a whole bunch--and it's basically identical) and has a great story. Set in a fantasy/steampunk world.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600733)

I think I tried the F2RP and it didn't help. It seemed to be a particular problem with recent ATI cards. But whatever, really my point is that, at some point, none of us will have a system that will play these old games anymore. Microsoft will drop support for something the game requires, or you won't be using Windows anymore. That may be 5-10 years from now, but that day is coming. When it does, it'd be nice to know that you'll still be able to play those games somehow.

And yes, I've played Arcanum. I agree, if you're a Fallout fan, it's definitely worth your time.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601609)

I'm counting on emulators. The pure DOS games are already there, and I'd bet early Win95/Win98 games are playable in VMWare or something similar (when they're not playable in the latest MS OS, that is)

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601015)

gog just uses dosbox for damn near everything.

Re:The End Of The Abandonware Golden Age? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601089)

GOG just uses DOSBOX and SCUMMVM.

TIE Fighter, Day of the Tentacle (1)

teg (97890) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599633)

I'm looking forward to these releases... and like many others here, there are some jewels I look forward to even more than the rest.

Day of the Tentacle was the best of all their adventures... the jokes, the plot, the characters - and even the voice acting - were unsurpassed. I was lucky enough to get the CD edition in the mid-nineties, and it's one of the gaming experiences that are burned into my mind - like the Baldur's Gate series and Gabriel Knight: Sins Of the Fathers.

Tie Fighter... X-Wing was good, and you were playing the good side. But Tie Fighter... the story was better, the game mechanics and graphics were better and you got to fly all sort of new ships. And it was balanced just right... for a game, anyway. And there were large battles going around you. The game was the ultimate space combat "sim" for me.

Hmph (1)

CaptSaltyJack (1275472) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599693)

Sounds like vaporware.

What I dont get... (4, Interesting)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599857)

Why not create games based on older models? I mean...Megaman 9 showed us that even legacy games are still desired by older generations.

Rather that put thought into graphics and such, you could focus your minds on what makes the game fun, and such...

Me personally, I'd LOVE to see another old school RPG game involving sprites and such.

There is a market out there, and developers should take advantage of it.

Re:What I dont get... (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600627)

Check out Cave Story. Though it might not be RPGy enough (more platformer now that I think back).

Re:What I dont get... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#28602191)

I would easily pay $60-70 for some sort of sequel to FF6 (US 3 for SNES). In that 16 bit style. I've played most of the translated 16 bit RPGs and there's a certain charm there, the sweet spot for RPGs that really made the SNES the console to beat. I bought/played FF3 (Jap3) for the DS but there's a certian appeal for that legend of zelda a link to the past style overhead view and blocky graphics :) In other news, upon further googling, it looks like they're releasing another DS FF RPG. I really wish they'd allow an option to use D-pad only for movement, using styli to control movement/menu just seems counter intuitive to an RPG.

Re:What I dont get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28602385)

and such and such and such

Tie Fighter? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 5 years ago | (#28599939)

PLEASE!!!!! There havn't been any good space combat sims since this game.

Re:Tie Fighter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28599979)

Freespace and Freespace 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSpace_2

Re:Tie Fighter? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600005)

Tachyon: The Fringe is pretty freakin' good, but it's the last good one I'm aware of.

X-Wing: Alliance is good, too--it has the X-Wing/Tie Fighter feel, unlike that (IMO) crappy X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter game. Not up to the level of the original two games, but pretty good.

Full Throttle (1)

JasonWM (991689) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600059)

I still have my copy of Tie Fighter, but I'd love to be able to get my hands on Full Throttle again.

Tie Fighter/XWing for iPhone? (1)

Feyshtey (1523799) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600113)

If they were to actually translate XWing and/or Tie fighter to the iPhone using the motion sensing controls, I might actualy have to jump on the bandwagon. I havent really enjoyed a flight sim since those days.

Re:Tie Fighter/XWing for iPhone? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600419)

If they were to actually translate XWing and/or Tie fighter to the iPhone using the motion sensing controls, I might actualy have to jump on the bandwagon. I havent really enjoyed a flight sim since those days.

Impossible, without completely changing the game in almost every way.

I regularly used two buttons+a paddle on my joystick just for throttle control, and there were more buttons available. Shield control? Three buttons (more existed, but I mostly used three). Energy management? I don't even remember how many buttons I used. Probably 4-5 at least.

Link/unlink guns, another button. Change active weapon, another button. Change view, another button (or several, if you used the ones to glance left and right in your cockpit). Jump to hyperspace? Another button. Target selection--Jesus, I probably used 5-6 more buttons for that, and I know I didn't use all of them.

It'd be 100% impossible to translate the game to the X-Box 360 or PS3, let alone the iPhone. You might get a game called X-Wing or Tie Fighter, but it'd play more like Rogue Squadon on the N64 (which is a good game, mind you, but it's not X-Wing/Tie Fighter/X-Wing Alliance).

Re:Tie Fighter/XWing for iPhone? (1)

Admiral_Grinder (830562) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600867)

I think you forgot some, just about every key was used for something and that was before going to alt- and ctrl- combos

Re:Tie Fighter/XWing for iPhone? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601723)

Oh, I know, I'm just saying that even my set of commonly-used keys (a smallish subset of all possible commands) was far too much to fit on a console controller, let alone an iPhone.

It's not that these keys were just available, either--the more of them you knew, the better you'd play. You had to know 50+, probably, to even have a chance of beating the game. Don't know the button to target an enemy that's attacking the ship you're escorting? Probably not gonna pass that escort mission. Don't know the "match target speed" and "target enemy in crosshairs" buttons? You're gonna get pwned when you start fighting Tie Advanced. Don't have shield management down? You'll be lucky to make it 5 missions.

The controls were those games. Simplify them much at all and you better ramp the difficulty way down, because the player won't have the tools needed to win. Kind of like Mechwarrior 2/Mech2: Mercenaries--the games are about the complex controls. Take them away and you've got a different (possibly still fun, but different) game.

Brilliant! (1)

hurting now (967633) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600167)

This is brilliant marketing by LucasArts... and they are going to make a crap load of cash off it.

By using Steam &/or XBL, they don't have to "go gold", market deals with big box distributors, remaking packaging, etc. And we as the players don't have to screw around with DOSBox or SCUMVM.

I'm excited and ready to buy some classics!

Re:Brilliant! (1)

kkaltuu (1400121) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600487)

I agree, it seems like a wise choice from LucasArts. But I hope they let you register with your old cd-keys, if you've already bought games like Star Wars Battlefront II or LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventure, there is no sense in paying for something you already own. I remember that the multiplayer support for games like Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds I & II was terrible, same goes for Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. If LucasArts really wants to re-release more games, a working, easy to setup multiplayer will be a huge plus for sales.

Re:Brilliant! (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600667)

Sure there's a point. And to be cynical, the point is they want your money.

To be more generous, if you are registering a game on Steam with a CD key, you are setting your account up so you can download the game whenever you 'want'. The few bucks they'll be charging you for this aren't that much compared to the idea of not needing to keep your CD's in a shrine to protect them.

Linux and STEAM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28600391)

Not having been very active with MS Windows for many years, I've missed out on Steam as a tool for managing my games.

But there are some nice games out there and, DRM issues aside, Steam seems to be nice and convenient to use, but how well does it perform on Linux under WINE? I'm aware that the Codeweavers product has some support for it, but how well does it work? Is it worth the hassle to use it with Linux?

Re:Linux and STEAM? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28600449)

The trouble with the old games is that it uses DosBox to run them. That'd be OK, except it assumes you're using the Windows version of DosBox. There might be some way to hack it to use the Linux version, but I'm not sure.

Re:Linux and STEAM? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601045)

Steam works fine with wine, and has for at least the last couple years. If you want everything done for you use crossover games.

Re:Linux and STEAM? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601065)

Steam has worked great on wine for at least the last two years, probably longer. If you donn;t want to have to do any work just get crossover games.

This is great (1)

PaganRitual (551879) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601329)

Because if there is one thing I've always wanted it's those old school awesome, completely single player, Lucasarts adventure games that to play require a constant internet connection or at least loading through a top-heavy DRM platform that's unlikely to properly support them anyway.

My next wish will be that all the boxed copies of those games that I've got and have been meaning to sell on Ebay for the last 6 months will now be worth a lot less. Oh, wait. Shit.

The Dig FTW (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 5 years ago | (#28601647)

I played that first in a 6-pack of games (came with ultima I-VI, stellar 7, spear of Destiny, etc) then bought it again a few years ago for .99 at Goodwill. DOSBox FTW.

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