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What To Expect From Apple's Rumored MacPad

CmdrTaco posted about 5 years ago | from the speculation-is-fun dept.

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Jeff writes "I decided to review the specifications of recent e-readers and mobile devices as well as the ongoing Apple rumor mill to chart out the most likely features, innovations and configuration we can expect from Apple's long awaited Newton successor/Mac Tablet which I'll call the MacPad. The MacPad will arrive in fall '09 or Jan '10, with a 10" diagonal color display, a $599 price point with a Verizon data plan, a stylus, note taking application and handwriting recognition and an e-bookstore for iTunes. Apple's biggest challenge will be convincing its huge installed base of iPhone owners that they need a MacPad too. Past failed Newtonian predictions by others are available on Slashdot and the likelihood that any of this is right can be gauged by earlier Confucian gems such as Haskin warns that Apple may be setting itself up for a failure with the iPhone."

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64-128 GB of RAM?! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28674885)

64-128 GB of RAM?! heck, i'd buy it, rip the ram modules and throw that thing away.

Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! (2, Funny)

srussia (884021) | about 5 years ago | (#28674943)

More space than a Nomad! Not lame!

Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! (2, Funny)

swb311 (1165753) | about 5 years ago | (#28675079)

640GB should be enough for anybody!

Re:64-128 GB of RAM?! (1)

SensitiveMale (155605) | about 5 years ago | (#28675399)

Whatever RAM that was on the pad would be soldered.

A review of product that is a rumor.. (5, Interesting)

synthesizerpatel (1210598) | about 5 years ago | (#28674899)

Really, the gem of this is referring to how previous rumor based stories that sided negative were wrong.. If you ignore the fact that the entire idea of this story is cobbled together from fairy dust and wishes.

I love my mac but.. in the words of William Shatner, get a life!

Re:A review of product that is a rumor.. (0, Offtopic)

linhares (1241614) | about 5 years ago | (#28675119)

You must be new here, if you really were expecting more from slashdot. The post's title should be "WHAT TO EXPECT FROM AN AVERAGE SLASHDOT SUBMISSION".

Re:A review of product that is a rumor.. (5, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | about 5 years ago | (#28675127)

Yep, you got that right.
FTFA:

Recently, I spent some time reviewing real and rumored technologies to lay out my predictions about a possible Apple Mac Tablet or MacPad. My predictions are mostly just for fun and I am making no bets as to their accuracy.

I can believe someone was foolish enough to submit this, but putting it on the front page is freaking absurd.

Here's the hands-on review (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28676239)

http://gizmodo.com/363137/axiotron-modbook-review-verdict-a-touchscreen-macbook-done-right

Challenge? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28674901)

Apple's biggest challenge will be convincing its huge installed base of iPhone owners that they need a MacPad too.

How about making the iPhone and MacPad dependent and lock out any 3rd party looking for some interoperability? Seems to have worked for Apple in the past.

oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | about 5 years ago | (#28674911)

that sounds like a nice device.
hackable to run linux, or locked down do you think?
my liqbase should be ready by then too. :)

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (0)

turtleAJ (910000) | about 5 years ago | (#28675045)

Put the link in man!
=)

http://liqbase.net/ [liqbase.net]

I've been following liqbase for a while now... very cool!
Check this guy's website out! And mod him up!
Faster than paper

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (5, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28675077)

Why on earth would you hack it to run linux, this thing (assuming it existed) would most likely run OS X... So you take off a perfectly good unix with drivers for all the bits of the hardware, and lots of application support, and replace it with a one-size-fits all OS that doesn't do the half of it... Why?

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675097)

I think it will be running a stripped down OSX, like what is found on the iPhone. So no, its not as good as regular OSX found on the macbooks and such and limited in such a way that perhaps linux would be better on it. Especially just thinking of the NES and SNES emulating possibilities.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28675115)

So, assuming your assumption is true (which is a pretty big assumption)... Still, why hack linux onto it. Linux has no hardware support for it at all, no application support etc. Hacking the supposedly locked down OS X (already possible with jailbreaking on iPhones etc) would result in having hardware and application support right there and ready.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | about 5 years ago | (#28675197)

i say why because my app only runs on linux (for now).
i don't know anything about multiplatform stuff and wouldn't even try to (I'm a VB developer..)

raw c, x11+xv is about as far as I know.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (3, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28675269)

If all you're using is raw c and x11+xv, then your application will run happily on OS X with the click of a compile button.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675481)

If your linux app is POSIX-compliant, it'll port pretty easily, but there's a few differences. Although most of the issues are Mac-to-linux, (pre-allocating files, some things in mmap, etc.) I'd be surprised if you don't find a few going the other way.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (2, Informative)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | about 5 years ago | (#28676105)

Just a brief list of linux stuff that runs on top of OS X:

X11 [apple.com]
kde [kde.org]
e17 [enlightenment.org]
For everything else there's fink [finkproject.org] and darwin ports [darwinports.com] .

In fact, darwin itself is open source [apple.com] , meaning if you really, really have a hard on to run just linux apps, you could run the core OS with the drivers and all with X11 on top of it. Beeslebob's point is spot on, there's no reason to take a perfectly good unix that has drivers custom written for it to replace it with a one-size fits all OS like linux (as awesome as linux is, hardware drivers are its Achilles' Heel because the hardware is often propietary).

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (0, Flamebait)

macs4all (973270) | about 5 years ago | (#28675537)

i say why because my app only runs on linux (for now). i don't know anything about multiplatform stuff and wouldn't even try to (I'm a VB developer..)

Apparently you know a LOT about cross-platform development already, because you're evidently developing in a WINDOWS-ONLY language (VB) but SOMEHOW getting your app to run in LINUX.

Perhaps you were developing in THIS [linuxtoday.com] , or THIS [realsoftware.com] ?

Idiot.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | about 5 years ago | (#28675637)

heh no,
my day job requires me to work in Visual basic in windows, I decided to take the plunge and jump into linux so I could develop my app for the nokia internet tablet.

its been an uphill struggle, but thanks to the community around maemo linux I have managed to overcome most issues and my daydreaming is slowly becoming a reality :)

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (2, Insightful)

noundi (1044080) | about 5 years ago | (#28675443)

So you take off a perfectly good unix with drivers for all the bits of the hardware, and lots of application support, and replace it with a one-size-fits all OS that doesn't do the half of it... Why?

Haha ok let me break this down to you. First of all that "perfectly good" part is solely your opinion and believe it or not not everybody agrees. Secondly there are huge differences between unix like OSs. And last but not least, some people like to own whatever they've bought rather than lease it. That's why.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28675643)

The "perfectly good" part is indeed solely opinion -- so that's why I'm asking "why" would you do this... Is there something that linux does better here, because all I'm seeing are disadvantages?

As to huge differences between unixes -- yes, there are, in this case, one of the differences is driver support, and another one is application support. What differences make linux better in this situation?

And finally, owning what you've bought... What's that got to do with OS X? You don't lease OS X. In fact, this device would include a copy of OS X, so why waste the copy you get included, and own?

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (0, Troll)

noundi (1044080) | about 5 years ago | (#28676271)

If you don't already know the concept of free software then I suggest you have some googling to do. I don't mind proprietary software, but I'm not interested in running a proprietary platform. Free and open should naturally be the fundamental ground which any software stands on, even if it's proprietary or not. Why? You ask. Well it's difficult to explain to someone who's a fan of Apple, because to you iTunes and iPod together makes perfect sense. To me it's a horrible lock down that serves only the interest of Apple, not the consumer. In all honesty, how well do you think iTunes store would have done without Apple bundling iTunes with almost all its devices? Not only bundling but actively isolating any outside developers looking to create an alternative. If I buy an iPod I've already paid for its expenses. If Apple tries to sell it with "loss" just to collect the rest of the revenue through iTunes store then the iPod is in a way on lease. If I buy an iPod bundled with iTunes and Apple actively support third party developers to create new or improved ways to use my device then I consider it a fair deal. The sad truth is however that Apple does everything to prevent this. This method doesn't lead to "the best it could be", it leads to whatever benefits Apple.

In the end you will end up paying more for songs because Apple sold you your iPod, when there could be other services that provide cheaper alternatives. If iTunes store was infact the best store around, how come you can't just release it into the wild and people will love it? Such as Firefox. The answer is simple, most people use iTunes because they're forced to. Eventually they might get accustomed to it but why compromise in the first place? Now you tell me, why would I support something like that? As a consumer, what do I benefit from such a selling strategy?

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

macs4all (973270) | about 5 years ago | (#28675653)

Haha ok let me break this down to you. First of all that "perfectly good" part is solely your opinion and believe it or not not everybody agrees. Secondly there are huge differences between unix like OSs. And last but not least, some people like to own whatever they've bought rather than lease it. That's why.

Haha, ok, let me break THIS down to [sic] you:

UNLIKE Linux, OS X is NOT, repeat NOT, a "Unix-LIKE OS". It IS a Unix OS [arstechnica.com] .

Just because you Linux fanbois are jealous for being a TRUE Unix (instead of a WANNABE Unix), doesn't mean you have to diss OS X.

BTW nice keeping up with tech-news. OS X has been a certified Unix since 2007...

Is that my karma I smell burning?

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

noundi (1044080) | about 5 years ago | (#28675935)

Wow, macs4all. I'll leave that uncommented. Anywho, thanks for the elaborate explanation of OS X being "TRUE Unix". I hate to break it to you but running a "TRUE Unix" doesn't really mean anything and you're not scoring any points. There is most certainly no "jealousy" because there really isn't anything to be jealous about, and the fact that you make such a childish claim states your age. I'm not interested in arguing with a teenager about... well anything really.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (2, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | about 5 years ago | (#28675999)

I think his point is that MacPorts covers 99% of the Linux/Unix workalike software out there. Sure there is a lot of Linux only stuff - but typically only because the project is still in alpha and hasn't taken off yet. Given that, the drivers for the hardware on the device are not likley to be supported by Linux for some time after it's release... so you could 'own' the device by installing Linux but you'd be crippling it at the same time - for what purpose? Nothing but ego apparently.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (0, Troll)

morgauxo (974071) | about 5 years ago | (#28675841)

because Apple anything tends to be proprietary, locked down garbage which Apple does not relinquish control of even after you pay them for it

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28675939)

And this has exactly what to do with the benefit of running OS X over linux on a device for which you have OS X drivers and applications but not linux drivers and applications?

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 5 years ago | (#28676223)

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.

In all likelihood, if there are MacOS drivers there are Linux drivers.
You might even manage to get more out of the Linux drivers due to the
OS being less likely to get in the way.

The "software" side of things with MacOS might be better, or not.

As we've recently seen, some Apple users don't mind cutting corners.

"Apple is better" is an article of faith that isn't necessarily true.

If there is a tablet machine in the Apple Store that means it's something
you can go look at, pick up, listen to, pay cash for and then return if it
doesn't work out for whatever reason.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28676269)

In all likelihood, if there are MacOS drivers there are Linux drivers.
Except that we're talking about a custom device that's specifically designed to run OS X. You see any linux drivers for the iPhone? No, I didn't think so ;).

The "software" side of things with MacOS might be better, or not.
Well, given that this device is going to have a crap load of software designed to run off it straight off the bat, yes, the situation is going to be worse on linux.

"Apple is better" is an article of faith that isn't necessarily true.

If there is a tablet machine in the Apple Store that means it's something
you can go look at, pick up, listen to, pay cash for and then return if it
doesn't work out for whatever reason.

Not going to respond to this -- you're not actually making any objective point.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (0, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | about 5 years ago | (#28676125)

> Why on earth would you hack it to run linux?

The same reason you would put Linux on a mini.

MacOS is a pig and it's performance kind of sucks.
Driver support is inferior.
Support for random data formats is inferior.
A special app with exclusionary encryption is really more trouble than it's worth.
The "special app" doesn't help manage for the limitations of the target device.

The iPhone is a spiffy little appliance.

MacOS is more annoying than "superior" in it's distinctiveness.

Re:oooh i wonder if liqbase will run on it (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28676193)

MacOS is a pig and it's performance kind of sucks.
Ehm, okay, if you say so, got some evidence, other than MySQL benchmarks, that have subsequently been fixed in the MySQL code?

Driver support is inferior.
On a device specifically designed to run OS X? Give me a break. A device like this probably has a good number of components that are custom built for the job and hence don't have linux drivers.

Support for random data formats is inferior.
Like which random data formats? 99% of linux software runs on Mac OS anyway, I very much doubt that 1% covers all the data formats in the world.

A special app with exclusionary encryption is really more trouble than it's worth.
Pardon? Which app are you talking about?

Most of your points are just plane wrong, and the remaining ones are delusional.

All this talk of Newton's ghost (5, Funny)

Centurix (249778) | about 5 years ago | (#28674921)

Personally I think Newton's zombie would be a great name for a MacPad. iZombie.

Plus it'd be a clean, sterile looking zombie, none of this blood, dirt and torn clothes. A MetroZombie.

If children are our future... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28674941)

Re:If children are our future... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675133)

It's called survival of the fittest. Darwin Awards [darwinawards.com] .

Re:If children are our future... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675405)

Well then, Darwin was wrong because she survived, and her parents will likely get a nice settlement from the city. It's unfair that stupidity and a penchant for lawsuits combine to reward people and stuff the wallets of lawyers. My parents would have laughed at me for being stupid enough to text while walking in the street and not looking where I was going. Now, had she been substantially injured, sue away...

Speculation if fun (3, Interesting)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | about 5 years ago | (#28674951)

That sound almost nothing like what Gizmodo is reporting: "It'll land in October, to be exact, when we should expect to pay around $800 for it."

Price point (4, Funny)

Zouden (232738) | about 5 years ago | (#28674971)

When "a price of $599" doesn't sound intellectual enough, call it a price point and suddenly you sound like an expert.

Re:Price point (1)

xouumalperxe (815707) | about 5 years ago | (#28676039)

I was about to comment that "price" and "price point" were different things, but I reread the summary, and apparently it's whoever wrote it that needs to be taught that...

You can't be serious? (4, Funny)

rindeee (530084) | about 5 years ago | (#28674977)

Tomorrow's headline will no doubt read, "First 'Behind the Stick' Review of Production Model Flying Car!" What the hey, here's a quote from the article that's not yet been written; "The SuperFlyer 6000 rides smooth as silk and corners like it's on rails. At 144 miles per gallon, you couldn't ask for more, save for the stereo which is a little bit lacking with it's 5.1 surround (we'd prefer 7.1)."

Re:You can't be serious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675297)

The funny (sad?) thing is that your example quote is exactly what most scifi nerds use to support their arguments for pie-in-the-sky fantasies like terraforming other planets.

Verizon data plan... (1)

krischik (781389) | about 5 years ago | (#28674985)

It won't arrive where I live then. And where Verizon is there Kindle already. I might not like Kindle but it is hugely successful where you can actually buy it. So I don't think that would be a good move.

$599 is a rip off (-1, Troll)

alen (225700) | about 5 years ago | (#28674989)

minis are $599

if it reaced something like the iPhone then it's ok. As an extra device $599 is too much when netbooks are $199

Re:$599 is a rip off (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about 5 years ago | (#28675095)

You are aware that the iPhone is $699? The mini is a totally different kind of machine. It has no screen (one of the most expensive components), and has much more space than this does to fit bits in. $599 actually sounds rather low to me.

To Plan or To not Plan (1)

krischik (781389) | about 5 years ago | (#28675149)

If $599 is low or high depends on the attached plan - or the lack of one. Here in Europe companies now have to quote the "no strings attached" price of any mobile device alongside. But seems it's not the case in the states.

A keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28674993)

I would prefer the device to be a little thicker with a slide out keyboard. Requiring Bluetooth for a keyboard makes my laptop more convenient.

Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! (4, Insightful)

GaryPatterson (852699) | about 5 years ago | (#28674999)

So, a product that's never been announced and only ever carried by the rumours that "it'd be really cool if Apple did, like, a tablet, you know!" is being discussed.

There is no substance at all, no "there" there. How can anyone seriously discuss what to expect from a product that has no information whatsoever about it? It's just all circle-jerk stuff, the sort of stuff kids fantasise about but has no connection to reality.

(sigh) I love talking tech as much as anyone, but can we at least try to stay grounded in reality?

Hell, it's just as likely to hover 14 cm above a solid surface, have a voxel-based GPU, holographic memory unit all powered by a microtok generator. Why not just make shit up? The UI will be based on the user's thoughts, but will react before the user knows they're thinking about an action because that's how cool it'll probably be, maybe.

Yup. News for nerds. Making shit up. So what does The Onion do for stories these days if Slashdot is going to nick the good ones?

Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! (1)

johnsjs (471712) | about 5 years ago | (#28675403)

Wow, Voxel-based GPU you say.

That makes the whole thing completely unbelievable. There is NO WAY they'll be able to do Voxel-based GPU at a $599 price point.

Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! (1, Informative)

4D6963 (933028) | about 5 years ago | (#28675527)

It's substantiated by the fact that Apple has a deal on 10" touchscreens, by the claims made by Apple concerning netbooks and the fact Apple had a job offer for a handwriting recognition expert.

When you put all of these together it seems reasonable to expect a 10" touchscreen tablet appear. May I go out on a limb and ask you if you've RTFA?

Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! (4, Informative)

Macrat (638047) | about 5 years ago | (#28676067)

It's substantiated by the fact that Apple has a deal on 10" touchscreens,

That would be rumor. Not fact.

fact Apple had a job offer for a handwriting recognition expert.

Maybe you don't know that handwriting recognition is built into the Mac OS? It's called InkWell. And it has been there for a while.

Re:Hey! Let's Just make Shit up! (2, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 5 years ago | (#28676163)

I wouldn't say substantiated and it is more evidence that if you repeat a rumor enough times, people think it's fact. The first article if you trace it back is that an unnamed source at a Taiwan company, Wintek, said that Apple will be receiving 10" screens in the fall. There was no mention of how many screens though which makes a difference if Apple ordered 10,000 as opposed to 1 million. So the article itself was somewhat of a rumor. Now the original article did say that they had no idea what Apple intended. So the source of the rumor wasn't knowledgeable enough to address that aspect meaning the source wasn't part of the negotiations. It could be that the source got details wrong like he meant 3" screens which would mean a slightly larger iPod/iPhone etc. As for general uses for large screen, I can think of another use: XServe racks could use them and other rack server systems do have them. Adding touch screens to them would be nice.

I know this is hearsay but... (1)

Enuratique (993250) | about 5 years ago | (#28675001)

My gf works in the publishing industry and her superiors have said they've seen the prototypes for an Apple tablet/e-Reader... Something like this IS coming... It's only a matter of when.

Re:I know this is hearsay but... (5, Funny)

GaryPatterson (852699) | about 5 years ago | (#28675073)

Yeah. I know a guy who's brother's girlfriend's uncle's cleaner knows someone who once talked to a guy in a bar, but *that* guy's sister's grandson's nephew's monkey's uncle was a personal friend of Steve Jobs, and he knew the guy who dries the executive's hands in the Apple research division, and that guy knows a girl who once dated Steve Ballmer, but she hated the way he sweats so much, and her friend's cousin once met Steve Jobs, who knows Jonathan Ive's accountant, who's looking for a way to write off the costs of developing a new interface for handling tablet input.

What was I.. Oh that's right, so the secret formula for Coke is mostly sugar, right, and those eleven herbs and spices? Yeah, ten of them are salt and pepper, and one's a genetically modified version of thyme, but it's crossed with a secret DNA strand that was developed in Area 51 from alien genetics. Don't ask me how I know. I'll need a chart to get *that* out.

Re:I know this is hearsay but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675251)

How do you know?

Re:I know this is hearsay but... (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 5 years ago | (#28675709)

That's great and all, but what's their Bacon number?

Re:I know this is hearsay but... (1)

foniksonik (573572) | about 5 years ago | (#28676047)

SO you're saying you did watch the pilot episode of Warehouse 13? I take it you liked it.

Re:I know this is hearsay but... (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 5 years ago | (#28675919)

Dear god. This thing all sounds entirely possible, but I still ain't buyin' it.

These portable and fragile electronic devices need a much lower price point. But for some reason, having a picture of an apple with a bite taken out of it will bring in twice what the thing is actually worth.

The same could be said of Sony. Sony it largely getting by on its twenty+ year old reputation as "Sony, the one and only" creator of the smallest and most revolutionary gear. Their stuff isn't as great as it once was and both quality and customer support vary across the spectrum being both good and bad depending on which products you buy. [Read: very inconsistent] But as we all know today, Sony's reputation has been eroding steadily and there is a growing group of consumers who simply refuse to buy anything with a Sony logo.

Back to Apple. If Apple continues down this road, they may find themselves in a similar situation as Sony. The more they expand their market to new users with new products, the more critical users they will have. This spells out "problem" as Apple has been getting by in their limited market based largely on fanboy-ism. Apple users buy Apple products traditionally... and defend Apple products ferociously. (Especially by modding posts like mine down!) But with a growing group of users, criticism over price, quality and flexibility are also growing. There are lots of descenting opinions and views of Apple on these topics. (My wife wants a new Apple workstation computer, but have you checked the prices on those beasts? I'm going to build her a Hackintosh using those EFI hacks that get MacOSX installed without modification. The price of a comparable machine is about half or less!) As for quality? The frequency of defects is pretty astounding in my opinion having personally had to bring macbook pros to the local apple store for system board replacement multiple times. And flexibility? The list of things that Apple prohibits and/or inhibits is simply growing and raising lots of complaints across the whole product line.

These critical points are not noticed by Apple fanboys. To them it's normal, average or otherwise acceptable... and some will even hold Apple is quite superior to others in spite of evidence to the contrary. But once again, as their user-base is growing, so too grows the number of critics and descenting opinions.

So... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675005)

Apple expects people to shell out $600 for something a eeepc can do (for less) in the current state of the economy? I really don't know if this is going to work but if it does work then I have greatly underestimated the power of brand loyalty.

iPhone lite? (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about 5 years ago | (#28675011)

If Apple can come up with a stripped down iPhone that:

kept the same screen size

had robust Exchange connectivity

had an integrated GPS

had decent battery life

I'd switch back to Verizon, especially if it was a world phone. I'd even pay a premium for teh GSM side to be unlocked.

Re:iPhone lite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675101)

You know I'm even more ready to compromise than you are. If Apple came up with an iPhone that:

wasn't the equivalent of a bag full of shit

I'd consider getting one for free.

Re:iPhone lite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675129)

Except that Verizon is a CMDA network and chances are there would be no GSM.

Re:iPhone lite? (0, Offtopic)

profplump (309017) | about 5 years ago | (#28675295)

I know you're half-trolling, since the current iPhone has both GPS and a magnetic compass. And I can certainly see why you're not as irrationally excited by the iPhone as other are. But when you say "Had robust Exchange connectivity" wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask that Exchange "Had robust IMAP connectivity"? We have a widely-used, well-documented, long-established, royalty-free protocol for remote mailbox access, which the iPhone supports fairly well -- it's Exchange that doesn't speak email.

If you're going to whine about email access on a phone you should whine about the BlackBerry (any of them) and their lack of an IMAP client, or the ability to monitor more than one mail account, or the ability to not send your credentials to the BB server if you do use their non-syncing, inbox-only "IMAP" service. I know they're "helping" by providing push email, and it's not a terrible option for some people, but I get perfectly good battery life polling for email in 3 separate accounts, and the 2-minute average/4-minute maximum delay between message delivery and notification doesn't seem like a big problem for most uses.

Re:iPhone lite? (1)

Zerth (26112) | about 5 years ago | (#28676063)

Are you ignoring the third-party IMAP clients, or complaining about their mediocrity?

I understand the google client isn't horrible, but of course it only works with gmail.

WTF. (3, Funny)

MrCrassic (994046) | about 5 years ago | (#28675013)

How are these far-fetched predictions any different than the many that were made for the iPhone and iPod before it?

I hate to argue about the "slashdottedness" of a post, but I don't see how this belongs here. This kind of conversation is more appropriate in MacRumors or sites like it...

Re:WTF. (3, Interesting)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 5 years ago | (#28675603)

Strangely enough, MacRumors ran a story on the possible Mac tablet device [macrumors.com] earlier today. There's one key difference between their reporting and the summary here though: they actually cited sources so that they didn't pull ideas straight from thin air.

Re:WTF. (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 5 years ago | (#28675737)

With this device, sunshine really will shine out of the owners' backside. Only without the whole "ring of fire" effect you'd expect from such an occurance.

Re:WTF. (1)

Macrat (638047) | about 5 years ago | (#28676103)

How are these far-fetched predictions any different than the many that were made for the iPhone and iPod before it?

You mean like the "leaked" iPhone photos that turned out to be the Sony Ericsson P800?

Where's that iPhone Nano?

Apparent RAM upgrade :) (3, Insightful)

Bifurcati (699683) | about 5 years ago | (#28675041)

I know, I know, it's just a (repeated) typo. But to consistently assign products 64-128 GB of RAM...it doesn't really inspire confidence in me as to the accuracy of the rest of the article...

Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675299)

I'm not so sure it's a typo. I'd put my money on the author not knowing the difference between ram and storage. they're both measured in the same unit so they must be the same thing!

Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) (1)

Atticka (175794) | about 5 years ago | (#28675369)

Thank you! I was going to post the same thing.

It's hard to take this article seriously when they confuse disk/flash storage with RAM.

Re:Apparent RAM upgrade :) (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 5 years ago | (#28675775)

Nobody said it was small. It's actually an iMac with a 10" touchscreen.

If it is tied to Verizon (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about 5 years ago | (#28675057)

It will absolutely fail in Apple's user base. The only two groups that will shell out for it are the people who don't have iPhones and the fanbois who would buy a service plan with every single mobile provider if Apple released an exclusive product through each one.

More proprietary crap with great potential that (1)

swb311 (1165753) | about 5 years ago | (#28675069)

will never be realized.

WHY OH APPLE OVERLORDS do you feel the need to cock-tease us with these wonderful little devices (like the iPhone) and then cock-block us into contracts, limited wifi usage, your set of pre-approved applications, etc.


Apple, you used to be cool.

I'm done with your fascist ways, I'm buying Windoze!!

Re:More proprietary crap with great potential that (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 years ago | (#28675829)

Apple, you used to be cool.

You mean like, when it was Steve and the Woz in a garage?

The Macintosh was a graphics-only platform with no graphics acceleration. It went downhill from there. (The Lisa I consider to just be a sort of proto-failure.)

What To Expect From Apple's Rumored MacPad (3, Funny)

dvh.tosomja (1235032) | about 5 years ago | (#28675099)

> What To Expect From Apple's Rumored MacPad

Rumors?

Duke Nukem Called (2, Funny)

salesgeek (263995) | about 5 years ago | (#28675141)

and wants his Mac tablet. He said to pick it up after the Forever release party, and just before Microsoft releases BobLive.

Why? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#28675143)

The MacPad will arrive in fall '09 or Jan '10, with a 10" diagonal color display, a $599 price point with a Verizon data plan, a stylus, note taking application and handwriting recognition and an e-bookstore for iTunes.

Ok, if this is all true (which I really haven't seen that any of it is) I can't see this being a success for Apple. First, $599 for it? Honestly you can get full laptops cheaper than that with data. Second, a stylus with all the multi-touch from the iPhone? Third Verizon(!)(?) they make AT&T look great in comparison.

Ya... I'm thinking not... (2, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 5 years ago | (#28675187)

This "let's make shit up and pretend like it is real," stuff annoys me. There is no basis to any of this.

What's more, I find it rather unlikely Apple is going to try for a PDA type device. Why? As mentioned, the iPhone. If you do some shopping around these days you discover that dedicated PDAs, as in devices that aren't part of a phone, are rather rare. You can get them, of course, but there aren't so many out there. Why's that? Well most people don't want to carry another device with them. They are all about minimal amount of crap to carry around.

Phone PDAs, well those are all the rage. These days it seems that providers have almost as many smart phones as normal phones. People love the idea. You get all your PDA features, in a slightly larger phone. Only one device to carry.

I know it is certianly that way for me. A number of years ago our boss got us PDAs. There was some deal that he was able to get them cheap so he figured "Why not?" Well, they never really got used. Even he wasn't all that keen on carrying an extra device. However we now all have smartphones, and we all love them. Ya they are a little larger than a plain cell, but not much and you get all the PDA features AND all the phone features.

So it would be rather retarded for Apple to try and enter the PDA market, because there really isn't one. They already are doing great in the smartphone market, that is probably where they'll stay. I just don't see PDAs making a resurgence, ever.

Now they might try a tablet PC or something, there is a small market for those. However it won't be a $500 device, that's for sure. Tablet PCs are, as the name implies, PCs you can write on as in full featured laptop hardware. Means from Apple you are talking $1000+.

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675189)

"Because Apple will adopt touch screen technology on its netbooks, Apple will not target low-end consumers, avoiding direct competition with Acer, Asus, as well as their less-than-500-dollars netbooks. Apple's netbook (or a "tablet" as many call it,) will probably be sold at around $800 USD each."

OP is clueless to apple's business strategies and Apple is much more likely to subsidize through AT&T

sounds nice, but (3, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 5 years ago | (#28675199)

Sounds like a nice prediction (not saying anything about its accuracy), but as someone who recently purchased an ebook reader, I don't think I could ever go back to anything but an e-ink screen for long-term reading (though we'll have to see how the Pixel Qi screens are). Being able to read 3 or 4 books without having to think about plugging the device in to recharge is a godsend!

Stylus (1)

tverbeek (457094) | about 5 years ago | (#28675219)

I don't know about the rest of the specs, but the stylus seems really, really unlikely. Apple is all about touch these days, and especially if this thing is running a variant of iPhoneOS rather than Mac OS X, it'll need multitouch input with fingers to work well. Plus, a stylus-using screen is just too TabletPC-like (i.e. Microsoft's big idea from 2001), and can you imagine Apple coming out with a device that will invite comparisons to the ModBook (i.e. someone else's design from 2007)? That would smack of playing "catch up" and introducing a "me too" product. Does that sound like Apple?

Re:Stylus (3, Interesting)

Culture20 (968837) | about 5 years ago | (#28675509)

That would smack of playing "catch up" and introducing a "me too" product. Does that sound like Apple?

Yes. The last Apple commercial I saw: "Copy & Paste: New on the iPhone 3GS" Their desktops and servers are using intel chips now. MacOSX proponents were constantly touting "UNIX underpinnings!" Apple does a lot of innovating, but in their innovation, they purposefully ignore others' years old achievements, then add them in a "me too!" style to sell version 2.0 of their innovation.

Re:Stylus (1)

digid (259751) | about 5 years ago | (#28675579)

So I assume you'll be finger painting to take notes with it? There's no reason why it can't be have both multitouch input from fingers and stylus support. The stylus should be analogous to a pencil not a navigation device like traditional pdas.

Re:Stylus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675951)

Do you finger paint notes on your iPhone?

Re:Stylus (1)

foniksonik (573572) | about 5 years ago | (#28676117)

Hmm reminds me that Apple filed a patent on hand gesture recognition that looked at the full contact impression of a hand resting on a surface in a 'pen holding position'... essentially they'd be recognizing the bottom edge of your hand rather than your fingers - as you held an invisible pen and wrote out your notes.

setting itself up for failure? (1)

hrbrmstr (324215) | about 5 years ago | (#28675313)

(Mostly replying to the ending sentence of the post)

Unless Apple really has a complete QA failure with a future OS upgrade or new device release, they will remain in front of the other device manufacturers for a very long time. They will be free to pick-and-choose which interesting & successful bits they steal and then super-engineer/implement from Android, Palm, Microsoft, etc and continue their lead.

I'm still convinced these netbook/tablet rumors are just that - rumors.

Re:setting itself up for failure? (1)

4D6963 (933028) | about 5 years ago | (#28675605)

Here's how it works :

1. Apple releases a new kind of product
2. IT journalists, bloggers, pundits of all kinds and Slashdot go "What were they thinking?"
3. New product and its variants turn out to be a success of Homeric proportions
4. IT journalists, bloggers, pundits of all kinds and Slashdot go "What were we thinking?"

Rinse, repeat.

Wow, 64GB to 128GB or RAM! (1)

kybur (1002682) | about 5 years ago | (#28675315)

With that amount of RAM, I wonder how much flash storage Apple is going to include!

I agree with the "Hey! Let's just make Shit up" poster.

How exactly is this newsworthy?

Come on, Slashdot. I like apple as much as the next guy, but this is just pointless.

Mac Tablet History (4, Informative)

mevets (322601) | about 5 years ago | (#28675365)

[ credits to Rik Myslewski at the register]:

* eWEEK, November 2002, "Waiting for the Mac Tablet":
                    "It's my strong belief - let's call it a hunch - that prototype Mac tablets are already making the rounds among select developers."
* Engadget, May 2005, "Apple's patented the Tablet Mac"
                    "[Tablet-Mac rumors] became substantiated today when Apple's secret plans for a tablet PC were ... revealed.
* CutMeLoose.com, May 2005, "Apple Tablet PC sightings"
                    "I have no less than 5 sources saying an Apple Tablet announcement is due soon."
* Cnet UK, November 2007, "Apple Tablet PC is real, says Asus"
                    "You can bet your bottom dollar [a tablet Mac] is being built as you read this."
* Mac|Life, January 2008, "The Apple Tablet Mac: 8 Reasons It's Gonna Happen"
                    "The tablet rumor has been around for the last couple years, but now, all the ducks are in a row."
* ZDNet, May 2008, "Tablet Mac coming this fall"
                    "A little birdy tells me that Apple will announce a 12 or 13-inch tablet in the fall of this year."
* Wired, July 2008, "Apple to Launch MacBook Touch?"
                    "The blogosphere is aflutter with rumors of a touchscreen Mac tablet."
* Industry Standard, December 2008, "Apple announces Mac tablet at Macworld 2009?"
                    "Could this 6 year old rumor finally come true?"

MOD PARENT UP (2, Informative)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 5 years ago | (#28675609)

That post is far more informative than the "let's make stuff up" article that Taco posted.

Re:Mac Tablet History (2, Interesting)

4D6963 (933028) | about 5 years ago | (#28675645)

As the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire. Just look at the rumours about the Google OS.

Besides, the Apple tablet in question is rumoured to have taken an unusual time to develop.

Re:Mac Tablet History (1)

CrashandDie (1114135) | about 5 years ago | (#28675811)

Excepted that spreading rumors about Google is just like playing Nostradamus.

Say 5000 different things, even with 0.1% accuracy, that's still 5 items that will hit. Google is fanning out horizontally, so you're bound to hit the target at least once.

How many rumors have there been about Google or Apple?

Soooo... (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | about 5 years ago | (#28675517)

...as an iPhone user married to AT&T, if I want one of these I have to sign up with Verizon as well? I thought polygamy was illegal?

A Data plan? (3, Insightful)

British (51765) | about 5 years ago | (#28675549)

Remember when computers didn't have monthly data plans? I would rather save $ and just mooch off free wi-fi.

Re:A Data plan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675929)

If this came with a required data plan, that's exactly what would stop me from buying it.

Why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28675981)

Why not just be done with it and become a Apple Fanboi site?

Death of the Macintosh (4, Interesting)

with a 'c' (1260048) | about 5 years ago | (#28676145)

The Mac Pad has some possibility to be real simply because you would have to be blind to not see that the end of the Macintosh as a basic consumer device is coming. Anyone that went to WWDC can tell you the focus was entirely on iPhone OS.

The Macintosh will still be around as high end media creation devices and servers. Think of iPhone, Touch and potential MacPad or new consumer devices as media consumption devices. They will have basic editing ability (see iLife and iWork) but that's it. Who really needs a quad quad xenon to play MP3s and watch videos. Also look at the game market on iPhone OS. That's where the money is and that's where Apple is going.

So... (1)

mambodog (1399313) | about 5 years ago | (#28676201)

Slow news day, huh?
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