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NASA Has the Lost Tapes

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the we-know-what-you-did-on-that-satellite dept.

NASA 256

The Shuttle launch may have been delayed by two days, but NASA has better news to report. caffiend666 writes "As speculated a few weeks ago, NASA has found and is starting to restore the lost Apollo 11 tapes. A Briefing will be held July 16th at the Newseum in Washington to 'release greatly improved video imagery from the July 1969 live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moonwalk... The original signals were recorded on high quality slow-scan TV (SSTV) tapes. What was released to the TV networks was reduced to lower quality commercial TV standards.'"

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Anonymous Coward (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684731)

Yeah but those shadows will still indicate a shooting location of the NEVADA DESERT!!!!

Re:Anonymous Coward (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684747)

Yeah, what's the big deal? Just set up the studio and make the tapes again!

oblig (1)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684869)

ohhhh lizabeth... theres no water....

"has"? (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685173)

What's with the little extra verb?

Cool, any UFOs? (1, Funny)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684781)

Excellent! I wonder if there's any evidence of UFOs. Glad they were able to grab the images off the tape, and I look forward to looking at it, and meeting our new alien overlords.

Re:Cool, any UFOs? (0, Troll)

jerep (794296) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684925)

I'm pretty sure anything even slightly controversial will be edited off the tapes before they're released. I wouldn't trust NASA to release any information other than random discoveries.

Re:Cool, any UFOs? (2, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685549)

If there were life intelligent enough to travel between the stars, do you REALLY think they'd allow an agency like NASA keep it under wraps? Seriously... you grossly overestimate the competence of government. Shit is nowhere NEAR that in control, by anyone.

Re:Cool, any UFOs? (2, Funny)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685765)

Why do you think we are of an concern to them? Allegedy - Allegedy - the UFO just sat there at the edge of the crater for a while, then moved off once the astronauts came out. The aliens are not the ones concerned. So why would they be concerned about our ability to use chemical-based engines to reach our first orbital body if the travel between stars?

As for our government control, that Russian hacker who got arrested for breaking tin to NASA computers allegedly had recovered images with alien craft. Now finally the astronauts have started to acknoledge alien contact

Alien moon base [subversiveelement.com]

Actornauts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684791)

n/t

Can we.... (1)

strredwolf (532) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684799)

actually now go around and start yelling at the top of our lungs "THEY FOUND THE TAPES!!!!!"

Re:Can we.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684827)

What ? They found the apes ?

Re:Can we.... (3, Funny)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684829)

Yes we can, however our parents will shout down the stairs for us to shut up.

Re:Can we.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684893)

We should have a -1 - Lives with parents mod.

Re:Can we.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684907)

No, it's the +1 lives in parents basement mod. It's applied to all /. members.

Re:Can we.... (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685987)

Not a good idea if you're in DC....

Greatly improved quality? (1, Informative)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684847)

Umm, according to the technical specifications NASA itself published, the SSTV only had two modes -- 320 was the only mode used during the mission. The other mode, operating at 1280 lines, was never engaged according to mission reports from Apollo 9, 11, 13, and 14, which were the only ones to use a module capable of scanning higher than 320 lines (standard TV).

Where, pray tell, did these tapes come from if the machinery was never enabled to run in that operating mode?

Re:Greatly improved quality? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684933)

RTFA.

This is the 320 mode. It's higher quality because the broadcast version was converted to standard TV by pointing a video camera at a screen showing the transmitted version.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (5, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685327)

It's higher quality because the broadcast version was converted to standard TV by pointing a video camera at a screen showing the transmitted version.

I knew it! Those NASA bastards exploited the analog hole. Quick, get the MPAA on the phone and have somebody distract NewYorkCountryLawyer so he can't interfere. We finally have NASA right where we want them.....

Re:Greatly improved quality? (0)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685339)

Somebody please mod this one up! lol

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

klui (457783) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685941)

The MPAA recommends this procedure to record HD/DVD so I don't think they would mind.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (3, Funny)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684945)

the truth is that they had the tapes all along... its just that the technology finally exists to remove all the alien spacecraft from the footage. Now they can show it to us in the alien free form god intended

Duh! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684957)

These tapes come from the secret hollywood set where they filmed the moon landings, you idiot.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (5, Informative)

WeblionX (675030) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685007)

They pointed a TV camera at a monitor displaying the SSTV footage so it would be compatible with TV broadcasts, hence lower quality.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (4, Informative)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685303)

Actually, if I remember correctly, all the 'monitors' that you see in the control room were all TV sets. There were only one set of computer monitors with a video camera infront of each one. You saw different data screens by changing channels.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685061)

What was the scan resolution of a TV in 1969? Wikipedia says 262.5 lines per field. 320 > 262.5.

It's like going from youtube quality to HQ YouTube for free! (and a 50 year wait). We should get 640x(480?) resolution video, interlaced as a result. Who knows what the framerate will be - perhaps 30fps? I'm pretty sure the 8mm video that's been distributed was originally 24fps, and then degraded further to 30fps again. The moon video's motion might look different from what we see now.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

Ron Bennett (14590) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685259)

Presumably 320 is the horizontal resolution, and is about the max most older NTSC CRT TVs are capable of displaying; much of the reason 320x240 and resolution multiples thereof became widely common in computer video cards.

Ron

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

jibjibjib (889679) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685365)

Analog TV signals don't have a horizontal pixel resolution; the signal varies continuously along the scanline.

I guess a reason 320 pixels was a common horizontal resolution for computers is that it's a multiple of 80, meaning 80-column text can be displayed with an integer number of pixels per character width. Also the fact that it's a multiple of various powers of two makes it convenient to represent a scanline as an integer number of bytes/words.

The reason for 240 vertical pixels is that with 320 horizontal pixels it produces square pixels on a 4:3 monitor.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (3, Informative)

Ron Bennett (14590) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685543)

You're correct about NTSC not having a set horizontal resolution. Some could display upwards of 400 lines of horizontal resolution, but most TVs were designed with 320 +/- in mind. VCRs were lucky to get past 250; reason most stuff recorded on videotape appears excessively blurry. And one needs to think back to the early computer days in which the display and graphics were designed for existing TV-based CRT screen hardware.

In regards to the vertical resolution, some of the 262 lines are in the overscan area on CRT based monitors leaving about 240 lines viewable.

Ron

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#28686039)

Analog TV signals don't have a horizontal pixel resolution; the signal varies continuously along the scanline.

The CRT takes a continuous signal, but the effective horizontal resolution of a broadcast signal is limited by the 6MHz bandwidth of the channel; it's about 330 lines.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

robbak (775424) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685261)

The problem was not the lines, which, as you note, is roughly equivalent to broadcast TV's.
The problem was that the vision from the moon was slow scan - i.e. 10 frames per second (see http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/ [csiro.au] - a very good tale of the technical side of getting the signals back from the moon). The only way they had of converting that to the 50i or 60i signals of broadcast TV was a converter that basically consisted of a camera pointed at a long-phosphor CRT - although it was a single box containing both parts. If you want to know the details, check the article.
Also, http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/Parkes_Apollo11_TV_quality.html [csiro.au] contains two pictures that compare a photograph taken from a SSTV display in '69, and the same frame from existing broadcast TV archives. Clearly shows why we want to find the original, unconverted recordings!

That said, I am ready to be disappointed: The news release seems to suggest that all they are releasing is filtered and cleaned up recordings of the broadcast TV - the originals are still lost, and, i greatly fear, have been mislabeled and subsequently destroyed in a 'clean up'.

Re:Greatly improved quality? (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685515)

Yes, likely mislabeled and either destroyed or "permanently" stored. Some government agencies that I'll refrain from naming even let their stuff get trashed intentionally so that there are no questions when potentially valuable equipment is disposed of. I have terrible visions of these tapes sitting on a tarmac somewhere baking during the day and getting rained on for a couple of months before being degaussed, shredded, and incinerated.

Has anyone thought to check US Gov Crate #9906753? I hear there's good stuff in there.

Headline (5, Funny)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684859)

Initially I thought the headline read "Nasa Has Lost the Tapes", and I almost believed it. "What? Already? They lost them again? Those idiots! ... oh wait."

Re:Headline (1)

mrbcs (737902) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684921)

Silly me, I thought they were talking about the Nixon Watergate tapes... I was wondering... how the hell did they find them?

Re:Headline (2, Funny)

C18H27NO3 (1282172) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684961)

Interesting, I read it that way and thought they lost them again, as well. Dang, we must have tumors.

Translation: 3D rendering technology ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684863)

... has finally made this possible.

Did NASA Hire Scotty? (1)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684871)

"We've lost the tapes." "No, sir, we've found the tapes after all."

They Need More Time To Edit The Footage (1)

CyberSlammer (1459173) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684879)

They didn't count on having to digitally erase the giant "BUGS BUNNY WAS HERE" sign made of moon rocks as Apollo was landing.

Lost Tapes (5, Funny)

retech (1228598) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684911)

After the 2nd season, I found it boring. And honestly NASA, tapes? Use a dvr if you're going to record Lost.

Re:Lost Tapes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685489)

I would be willing to believe there's a Dharma station somewhere on the Moon's dark side. :)

I said all along (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684915)

Check in the Ark next to the dead alien in the jar. And you think they'd listen to me.

Moonwalk? (2, Funny)

phunster (701222) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684939)

Clearly the first moonwalk was done by Michael Jackson, we saw it live on television

Glad to hear that (5, Insightful)

juanergie (909157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684947)

but why do they find the lunar tapes a few days before the 40th celebration of the Lunar mission (Apollo 11).

Is this a coincidence or PR?

Re:Glad to hear that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685139)

um I guess they don't have news papers and television under that rock or you are new here. They have been looking for them for about 5 years. It is no coincidence it is the result of actively looking.

Re:Glad to hear that (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685167)

Coincidence. The search kicked off at least seven years ago [honeysucklecreek.net] , when an ex-Honeysuckle Creek employee discovered an old tape in his garage. It was sent for analysis, in the hope that high resolution video of the Apollo 11 landing could be recovered. The tape turned out not to be of the moon landing. It did prompt people to ask "what happened to the originals", and kicked off a serious search. It turned out that NASA has misplaced their own copies.

Copies of the telemetry tapes (hundreds of them) were eventually discovered in the basement of the Physics building at Curtin University, Perth, Australia. They had been placed in the Uni's care by an Australian scientist (Brian O'Brien) who had run an Apollo experiment. He had the tapes as a record of the data from his own experiment, but by luck the telemetry stream includes everything, including the video. It turns out that Curtin Uni thought they weren't that important, on the basis that if they were important, NASA would have already had copies.

Re:Glad to hear that (1)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685361)

I'll bet they re-discovered the tapes a few months ago, once they realized they were getting close to the 40th anniversary deadline and had to begin actually looking. At least, that's what procrastinator me would have done.

Rule of thumb: (0, Redundant)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685315)

When dealing with NASA, there are no "coincidences."

Re:Glad to hear that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685419)

Or maybe for the upcoming 40th anniversary celebration they actually sent some people looking. Probably too reasonable an explanation I'm sure.

Nice Title (2, Insightful)

basementman (1475159) | more than 5 years ago | (#28684951)

How about "NASA has Found the Lost Tapes"? Right now the title tells me that NASA is in ownership of the tapes, but just can't find them.

Re:Nice Title (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685297)

How about "NASA has Found the Lost Tapes"? Right now the title tells me that NASA is in ownership of the tapes, but just can't find them.

Well if you're going to be pedantic, on slashdot the correct title would be "NASA can haz Lost Tapes pleaz?"

Re:Nice Title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685781)

Fat People Humor != Funny.

Is life still so hard, my special little snowflake?

Wierd Image 12 Seconds In (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28684995)

Is it just me, or does it look like there is a hook-nosed Jew in the reflection of Niel Armstrong's visor?

Then they're not bloody well lost, are, they? (1)

EsJay (879629) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685013)

Ahem

Who has been to the Newseum? (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685031)

I tried to go once, but it turned out that the tickets are $19 bucks.
Is it worth the price?

Re:Who has been to the Newseum? (1)

ahecht (567934) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685113)

If you like news, yes. If you think the $19 bucks is high, just visit 4 of the Smithsonian museums (some of the best museums in the world) first, and since they're free your average admission is just $4.

Re:Who has been to the Newseum? (0, Troll)

tyrione (134248) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685159)

I tried to go once, but it turned out that the tickets are $19 bucks. Is it worth the price?

If $19 is too much you have more pressing concerns than being enriched with history and science.

Re:Who has been to the Newseum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685927)

If $19 is too much you have more pressing concerns than being enriched with history and science.

Pro Tip: The Newseum is blocks away from some of the largest free collections of history, science and art in the USA.

Re:Who has been to the Newseum? (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#28686001)

Well, it does bring up the interesting question of why they're not doing it at the publicly-funded Smithsonian Air & Space museum across the street.

Decade of the remakes? (4, Funny)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685045)

Now even this great movie of fiction gets a remake? Or will it just be a weak director's cut, to prepare for the lauch of the sequel "Mars mission"?

I hope it will have better props this time. They were pretty unrealistic, and clearly retouched (or 'shopped in 2009 speak) in that old movie.

Re:Decade of the remakes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685643)

How do real Moon rocks look, then?

Seen the new footage and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685047)

Our new junkie alien overlords seem to be asking for 10% of our children.

They can have my wife too, I insist.

GD

Exciting News (3, Interesting)

derspankster (1081309) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685065)

I am especially excited about these tapes because I lived through the first moon landing. I'll never forget where I watched it. In a motel room in St. Louis with the girl (at that time) of my dreams.

Re:Exciting News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28686033)

Wait.. Girl of your dreams? This is Slashdot. You just took advantage of the '60s and stole some acid! Get back to reality man.

In answer to your question (4, Insightful)

sir_eccles (1235902) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685069)

No, it won't convince any of the idiots who think we never landed on the moon. No amount of evidence ever will.

Re:In answer to your question (4, Funny)

The_mad_linguist (1019680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28686233)

Oh, we definitely landed on the moon, just not when NASA claimed.

Apollo 13 was the only mission to actually get there.

Lies, more lies and DAMN LIES!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

MeatBag PussRocket (1475317) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685075)

*puts on tinfoilhat*

The original signals were recorded on high quality slow-scan TV (SSTV) tapes. What was released to the TV networks was reduced to lower quality commercial TV standards

yeah fuckin right... they just made some CGI footage and couldnt filter it properly to make it look like TV from the 60s since they never actually went to the moon and then made this crock of shit up as an excuse...

Re:Lies, more lies and DAMN LIES!!!! (1)

derspankster (1081309) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685109)

*puts on tinfoilhat*

The original signals were recorded on high quality slow-scan TV (SSTV) tapes. What was released to the TV networks was reduced to lower quality commercial TV standards

yeah fuckin right... they just made some CGI footage and couldnt filter it properly to make it look like TV from the 60s since they never actually went to the moon and then made this crock of shit up as an excuse...

And..you know this ..how? Oh well, never mind.

Re:Lies, more lies and DAMN LIES!!!! (-1, Troll)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685353)

no, no. these are the original faked mission tapes, CGI done with analog computers, otherwise known as anal-CGI, done by way of the non-linear characteristics of the bridge-rectum-fryer driving a sextode W. Allen orgasmotron.

Lost tapes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28686031)

from the original wired article and interview it was not that they had lost the tapes, they said they had them at that point, it was that they didn't have a machine capable of playing the darn things when they did that article, and were looking for a machine to play them back

NASA intentionally delayed ... (4, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685103)

... release of the high resolution version until the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format issue was settled.

Don't fall for it (2, Funny)

Palestrina (715471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685123)

Just wait six months and they'll have the special director's edition EVD with 10 extra minutes and a "making of" featurette.

Lost tapes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685129)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(TV_series)

Heck, even I have those!

They found the tapes! (1)

dbk25 (565275) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685143)

That's one small step for a space agency, ...

Future preservation plans? (5, Interesting)

mjallison (665213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685169)

NASA is under orders to retain all data from planetary missions, including lunar missions. Once the data as been recovered, what are NASA's plans to archive and prevent the data from being lost over the next 40, or 400 years? How will they plan on making the data available to general public?

Re:Future preservation plans? (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685843)

Why post it to various P2P networks with a title of 'Britney_Spears_Nekkid.mpg' of course...

Now, In the Background, Aliens Waving (4, Interesting)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685189)

This is one nice and juicy little factoid. Consider how much mythology lives around these hidden tapes. There was no way for Nixon to be implicated in their tampering...

It's a neat mythology: if you believe the Moon Landing was faked, a hoax, then the soon-to-come high-def photos of the moon should answer that by showing the trash we left behind and that should still be there, the Lunar Landers. And if the landings are proven by the images to have actually occurred, then those same people can migrate to the idea that alien presences on the Moon were airbrushed out. Terrible tragedy it is for NASA that so many of their moon photos have obvious smudge marks over certain details. It would be nice to find out if those were alien ruins, waving aliens or just machine malfunctions

Re:Now, In the Background, Aliens Waving (3, Informative)

readin (838620) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685359)

It's a neat mythology: if you believe the Moon Landing was faked, a hoax, then the soon-to-come high-def photos of the moon should answer that by showing the trash we left behind and that should still be there, the Lunar Landers.

If you believe the landing was faked, then the fact that the high-res tapes were found only after sophisticated digital photo-shop techniques were developed helps cement your belief.

Re:Now, In the Background, Aliens Waving (1)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685513)

I never said I disbelieved in the Apollo moon landings. I believe they happened exactly as described.

Re:Now, In the Background, Aliens Waving (2, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685735)

if you believe the Moon Landing was faked, a hoax, then the soon-to-come high-def photos of the moon should answer that...

The "high definition" is relative. Later Apollo's had much better resolution, largely because they took a movie camera to the moon and brought it back to be developed rather than send live TV alone. The Apollo 11 footage is primarily of historical significance, being the first. Later missions also used color TV, unlike 11's B&W (although Apollo 12 accidentally ruined their TV camera early in the mission).
     

Paradox alert (3, Funny)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685193)

NASA doesn't have any lost tapes. If they have found them, they are by definition not lost anymore. I bet there are dozens of tapes that are lost because nobody knows their location but these tapes are not one of them. Correct headline would be "NASA has the found tapes". Sounds redundant? In the human mind that may be the case but if you think about it long enough, you can only come to this conclusion. Being lost is quite a fleeting and interesting feature and has no doubt been studied by filosophers around the ages.

Re:Paradox alert (2, Insightful)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685309)

Lost is not being used as an adjective anymore in this statement. Lost is now being used as an identifier, a name for, the tapes. The only purpose of calling them the lost tapes is to differentiate them from the other tapes they previously had. Making the headline "NASA has the found tapes" makes the statement more confusing and the title "NASA has found the tapes" would be equivalent to the current title.

Of course, assuming the identifier 'Lost' is sufficient (given the context) is just leaving this story headline open to a whole other misinterpretation. Perhaps the story of the day is about NASA's "Lost: Season 1" DVDs finally arriving in the mail! =D

Re:Paradox alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28686089)

Or perhaps the GP is being an insufferable pedant and needs to be slapped around.

Let's go with that.

Re:Paradox alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28686147)

for such a highly pedantic post, you shouldn't have ended it by misspelling philosophers.

Yes! We don't have to wait until January (1)

VoyagerRadio (669156) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685279)

I was hoping there would be more episodes to watch before the sixth and final season begins. I always knew they were probably taping during the strike!

More Anniversary Coverage (4, Informative)

necro81 (917438) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685305)

The NYTimes has devoted its Tuesday Science section [nytimes.com] to the Apollo 11 anniversary. A feature piece tries to convey just what it was like [nytimes.com] that summer of '69, and the landing's backdrop of the Cold War. Another tries to list some of the impacts on popular culture of the time [nytimes.com] . Yet another tries to compare the Apollo effort to what it'll take to get back to the Moon and on to Mars [nytimes.com] .

Yes, there is also a piece on the hoax-spinners [nytimes.com] .

This may not be the lost tapes (1)

Steve1952 (651150) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685323)

It's not clear to me from the press release if these are really the lost slow scan tapes, or just a really good restoration from 40 year-old tapes of the broadcast, which still suffered from the limited analog conversion problems of that era.

Typographical error. (1, Funny)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685375)

As speculated a few weeks ago, NASA has found and is starting to redact the lost Apollo 11 tapes.

There, fixed that for ya.

Wired has a great article about the loss... (5, Informative)

flux4 (157463) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685381)

...here [wired.com] . Finding the tapes seemed nearly impossible at the time (2007) - the old reel-to-reel machines were dead, whole warehouses were being closed, and the people who were actually driving the recovery effort were mostly Apollo-class themselves - well into their golden years. It reminded me of some of the Library of Congress horror stories, only more desperate and with better special effects. If they do have the footage and can actually decode it, this is an amazing find - I wasn't holding out much hope.

Another cool site is Colin Mackellar's Honeysuckle Creek Tribute Site [honeysucklecreek.net] . Tons of info on the recording, the differences in quality, etc.

Really good news.

Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685417)

Now we will get to see all the dental floss holding stuff up

What took so freaking long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685429)

Instead of doing this themselves they should have just shopped it out to Weta Digital. We would have had it years sooner. Probably higher quality as well.

sstv modes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685431)

According to wikipedia [wikipedia.org] the highest resolution I can see there is 256x256, I'm not exactly sure I understand how any greater quality cant be seen on something that small.

Re:sstv modes? (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#28686053)

Read your own link...

Below is a table of some of the most common SSTV modes and their differences.

Not all known modes to have ever existed, earlier on in the wiki it says:

Vostok 2 and thereafter used an improved 400-line television system referred to as Topaz.

Which was in 1961 and after, and then related to this article:

The SSTV system used in NASA's early Apollo missions transferred ten frames per second with a resolution of 320 frame lines using less bandwidth than a normal TV transmission.

Just because it's a table, doesn't mean it includes all data, and just because it's in a table, doesn't mean the information is correct.

ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685507)

don't you mean NASA has finished sanitising the lost tapes?

Skilz (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685617)

Can I hire the finders to locate all my missing socks (of a pair) and missing power adapters? Kudos to the finders! I hope they get a big reward (no, silly, not my socks).
   

Excellent, this is HD quality footage (1, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#28685797)

At WWDC this year (the Apple developer conference) they had a lunch speaker whose whole job was recovering video from tapes exactly like these. The resolution you can get from them is amazing, they are equivalent (or perhaps surpass) modern HD video cameras. One example was comparing a video pass over the moon to the same are taken with 35mm film, the result wasn't even close - the recovered video offered far more detail.

I am really looking forward to the footage from this.

It has to be said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28685893)

Not only did we not go to the moon in 1969, when we really tried, we almost killed Tom Hanks...

mod do;wN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28686239)

The BSD license, much organisatioN, Your own towel in the reaper BSD's culture of abuse
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