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YouTube Phasing Out Support For IE6

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the ding-dong dept.

Internet Explorer 481

Oracle Goddess sends word that YouTube is presenting IE6 users with a banner exhorting them to upgrade to a modern browser, and TechCrunch is reporting that YouTube will be phasing out support for IE6 soon. This Twitter search reflects the jubilation breaking out all over the Net at the imminent demise of this most despised and non-standards-compliant browser. The market share for IE6 is now well down in the single digits.

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About time (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695213)

Good. That's like phasing out of support for cancer.

Re:About time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695441)

WHOOPS, someone offended the slashdot Microsoft shills.

Re:About time (5, Funny)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695499)

Perhaps next, they can follow Slashdot's example and phase out support for web browsers.

Market share (5, Informative)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695235)

The market share for IE6 is now well down in the single digits.

According to whom? Even on w3schools.com [w3schools.com] , which is visited almost exclusively by web developers, more than 14% of people are still using IE6.

Re:Market share (3, Informative)

cml4524 (1520403) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695271)

Web developers are probably more likely to have IE6 around than your typical user since they need it for their job. I use Firefox exclusively at home, but when I'm having problems getting something to work on the job and need to look up a reference, I occasionally use IE either by mistake or just because I happen to be in it already.

Re:Market share (4, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695337)

That doesn't justify that many people browsing the reference site using your test browser. People aren't mistakenly using IE6 to look up the HTML reference, they're using IE6 because that's what they always use. Look at the usage numbers, Firefox is almost at 50%, Chrome is already at 6%. That is indicative of web developers, not using a browser that is 9 years old. Web developers might be more likely to have IE6 installed, but they're not going to browse with it. Web developers are more likely to have a favorite browser to do all of their normal tasks in, and they'll use that one.

Also, I'm a web developer and don't have IE6 installed, on any of my machines. I have access to it, but not on any computer I use on a regular basis. The debugging tools in IE8 are much better for web developers than having IE6 available to test on.

Re:Market share (1)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695475)

IE6 users will need to switch/upgrade then. And that's good.

Re:Market share (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695501)

Definitely. Like I said below, IE6 has lingered around like a bad fart, hopefully this signals the true beginning of the end.

Re:Market share (0, Redundant)

Qubit (100461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695275)

Maybe they're getting a number of hits from web developers who are testing in IE6.

At least that's what I want to hope!

Re:Market share (4, Informative)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695463)

Testing what? Testing the w3schools site? Wouldn't you want to have your main browser open for references and things even though you might have another test browser open? Hell, I usually develop with 3 browsers open (Firefox, to use Firebug for debugging my Javascript stuff, Chrome to show the Javascript-heavy API docs, and Opera for everything else).

IE6 has lingered around like a bad fart, hopefully this signals the true beginning of the end.

Re:Market share (1, Insightful)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695383)

A lot of those could be merely the hits to their validation services, used by web developers, just to test validity with different browsers, IE6 being one of them.

Re:Market share (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695477)

w3schools doesn't do validation, that's the W3C.

Re:Market share (4, Insightful)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695451)

I agree. That number must be completely made up. Lot's of corporations still have IE 6 as their "corporate IT approved" browser. I know we do because all our corporate web apps are such shit that they don't work in anything else.

Re:Market share (2, Funny)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695537)

Lot's of corporations still have IE 6 as their "corporate IT approved" browser.

This. This. This. Our web apps are written exclusively for big companies and we're still stuck supporting IE6 because our customers absolutely require it. It's painful. *sigh* What I wouldn't do to go Office Space on something that represents IE6.

Re:Market share (4, Interesting)

Skylinux (942824) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695513)

Might be SPAM bots, they fake user-agents all the time and try to either hide as a major search engine or as a user.

I am currently working on a question/answer based CAPTCHA system + bot trap and monitor the user agents triggering my bot trap.
So far,
59 falsely claimed to be Googlebot
The rest claim to be some version of IE

Don't rely on anything for user-agents, I am identifying myself as Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.google.com/bot.html) right now to get around websites offering unlocked content to Google but require registrations from normal users.

Re:Market share (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695621)

Which websites are those? Experts-exchange puts the content waaaaaay down the page, but it's there if you scroll down far enough. (Apparently Google got pissy over the fact that they were giving Google content that they didn't let normal visitors see... or that's how I heard it, anyway.)

Re:Market share (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695583)

We have a 20k hits/month site oriented at small businesses and IE6 has accounted for about 13% of the hits over the last 6 months and 16.5% of the hits over the 6 months before that.

Total IE usage has dropped from 84% to 82% for the same periods.

A year ago we had less hits on the site, but I think the numbers stand. Very surprised that they're lower than W3Schools', but all I know is that it's still too high for us to encourage users to upgrade instead of supporting that turd.

Re:Market share (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695687)

Developers are like (ab)normal people. They can be retards, just like anyone else.

Can it be (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695239)

April fools?

I don't know... (2, Funny)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695241)

I don't know about anyone else, but I really felt that IE6 was a much better (although flawed) browser than IE7. Sure, IE7/8 has new features, but its UI is terrible and seems to be slower responding. IE6 was a decent browser, aside from the fact it was a pain to code for and insecure.

Re:I don't know... (5, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695293)

IE6 was a decent browser, aside from the fact it was a pain to code for and insecure.

This hamburger is decent, aside from the fact that it's growing mold and smells like urine.

Re:I don't know... (1)

basementman (1475159) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695669)

A better analogy would be a customer that pays for the hamburger by dumping a bucketful of pennies on the counter. It's not hard for him to pay with the bucket of change, but for the restaurant it's a pain in the ass to count them all out.

Re:I don't know... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695305)

So, you're saying it was a decent browser in all ways except what truly makes a decent browser decent?

Re:I don't know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695369)

This is too complicated for a freetard to understand, but he's saying it's more usable, and for the average end-user he's probably right.

Re:I don't know... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695335)

Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Re:I don't know... (4, Informative)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695351)

I can think of a few things that make IE6 (not exclusively, but still) a horrible browser:

ActiveX
Non-standard HTML rendering
Lack of tabs
ActiveX
Lack of support for many standard files (PNG, anyone?)
Crashing when fed simple code
Oh, and ActiveX.

Re:I don't know... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695385)

You do realize that ActiveX is still with us in IE7 and IE8, right?

Re:I don't know... (5, Funny)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695465)

He never claimed that IEs 7 & 8 weren't horrible.

Re:I don't know... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695353)

The navigation buttons are all clustered together (unlike IE 7). That's the only advantage I see. For me, a browser without tabs is 100% useless.

Re:I don't know... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695379)

IE6 was a decent browser, aside from the fact it was a pain to code for and insecure.

Huh? So aside from arguably two of the most important pieces of a browser, it was a decent browser? Are you just talking about the sparse UI? A UI doesn't make otherwise shitty software somehow good (and, if you want to talk about IE's user interface, make sure to mention the giant checkbox list under Internet Options). IE7 was an incremental improvement over IE6, and IE8 was a major improvement over both versions.

Re:I don't know... (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695437)

IE6 was a decent browser, aside from the fact it was a pain to code for and insecure.

Car analogy:

IE8 is your your new car. It runs smooth, and there are no real complaints about the reliability. The seats are little on the hard side, and you'd like more leg room.

IE6 is your old car. It broke down every other week, belched poisonous black smoke into the cars around it, and the doors didn't close properly. But the seats were soft and you had more leg room.

Your old car was 'decent' the same way IE6 was decent.

And lets face it, IE8's UI isn't terrible. You might not be used to it, or like it as much, but its objectively not all that bad. They've moved things around, and hid a lot of stuff almost nobody used. But the tab support and integrated search alone make the UI superior. I don't find it slow (but I have lots of RAM). I still prefer Firefox, but I no longer loathe using (or developing for) Internet Explorer.

Praise Jeebus! (5, Funny)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695255)

What is needed is a good exorcism. IE6 needs to be cast out from the net and its bloated carcass nailed to a tree as a lesson to others.

Re:Praise Jeebus! (1, Insightful)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695287)

We saw what happened to humanity the last time we tried that. Let's remember our lessons, shall we?

Re:Praise Jeebus! (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695483)

AFAIK web browsers cannot run for president...

oh wait, who were YOU talking about?

Re:Praise Jeebus! (5, Funny)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695455)

At work I have to use IE on Windows 2000. Don't phase me out please!

Re:Praise Jeebus! (4, Insightful)

martas (1439879) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695653)

quit. now.

Re:Praise Jeebus! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695549)

A lesson? Isn't it a little late for Firefox?

Re:Praise Jeebus! (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695701)

Ah but Chrome has things it needs to learn before it can be a buggy memory whore.

I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (4, Insightful)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695267)

My experiences with large corp and gov't clients tells me otherwise.

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (1)

Jesterace (914041) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695309)

I agree we're not going to get rid of IE6 for a long time. Seems our IT department is very comfortable with it. Thank goodness for portable Firefox installs.

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695405)

I agree, where i work we have 30000+ workstations. IE7 was proven to buggy so its not being deployed.

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (-1, Offtopic)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695489)

Who's this "buggy" that IE7 was proven to? And why after proving it to "buggy" wasn't it deployed. I would have thought proving it to somebody would be a good thing.

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (1)

John Napkintosh (140126) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695679)

I believe you mean "to whom IE7 was proven".

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695409)

My experiences with large corp and gov't clients tells me otherwise.

Large corporations and governments* should hopefully not be major youtube users, so this really shouldn't be a problem here anyways.

* ... or is the gazillions of narcissistic emo-videos on youtube some sort of CIA demotivation campaign?

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695419)

Yeah, it definitely depends on the type of site you have. If you run sites that people are likely to browse while they are at work, like real estate or large e-commerce sites, then I can guarantee that IE6 useage statistics are still *quite* comfortably in the double digits.

Re:I *WISH* it was down in the single digits (1)

lambent (234167) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695603)

So large corporations and governments use IE6, but why should content providers cater to them? If their only reason for using IE6 is for the horrible legacy apps, then by all means, let them keep IE6 around to continue to use their horrible legacy apps.

This is no way justifies, however, everyone else in sane-people's world having to jump through hoops to support the terrible abomination of a web browser that is IE6. If they want to screw around at work watching youtube, let them do it in an unsupported fashion. Everyone else is ready to move on.

Great but (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695277)

I'm sure if youtube's previous banner is any indication, it will be telling them all to migrate to Chrome

Re:Great but (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695399)

So?

Re:Great but (1)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695625)

Link there somewhere shows image with IE8/Chrome/FF3.5.

My feelings... (1)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695279)

;_;

Support? What do you mean, support? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695299)

You don't need to "support" IE6.

Youtube is a website, with an embedded flash object, that plays a movie. Youtube doesn't even need javascript at all (if you know the urls to the embedded flash).

Plus, many businesses are are running windows 2000 (for application reasons), because Win2000 is stable, well-known & well-documented, and still supported by Microsoft. Win2000 only has IE6 (and firefox).

Actually, that means business productivity will go up if youtube doesn't run on IE6. Go for it!

Re:Support? What do you mean, support? (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695413)

YouTube has various fly-out menus and the like, which generally a PITA to get working in IE6, especially if you have flash all over the page.

Not to mention IT workers are lazy SOBs, and if they can't sit around and watch videos all day, they might get off their butt and upgrade everyone off IE6. :^)

Re:Support? What do you mean, support? (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695611)

Everyone!? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. You are hilarious. Why would they do that? Then everyone could watch videos and that'd cut into their bandwidth. They'll upgrade themselves. Everyone else is screwed and they'll be too busy watching YouTube videos to care.

Hello? IT Department? (2, Funny)

Enuratique (993250) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695303)

I, uh, want to upgrade to IE8. Why? Uhhh, I hear it's safer to use. What do you mean the time sheet tool and headcount apps won't work in IE8?! I don't give a damn, how hard can it be to make them work? I need it NOOOOOOOOOW!

Re:Hello? IT Department? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695357)

I, uh, want to upgrade to IE8. Why? Uhhh, I hear it's safer to use. What do you mean the time sheet tool and headcount apps won't work in IE8?! I don't give a damn, how hard can it be to make them work? I need it NOOOOOOOOOW!

Maybe you should switch jobs to IT and make it work... ya know: 'cause you think it's so easy.

Re:Hello? IT Department? (2, Insightful)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695359)

This is why smart web developers use tables.

Re:Hello? IT Department? (1)

lambent (234167) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695649)

that's an unpopular opinion, but very true nonetheless.

Re:Hello? IT Department? (1)

mrgiles (872216) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695713)

BOFH replies:

That's easy to fix, but I can't be bothered.

cool (2, Interesting)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695311)

now if they would just make it so I can watch a few youtube videos in a row, without b0rking my firefox running in linux I will be happy.. seriously, can we get this done? Its gotten better over the last couple years, but I still have to kill -9 firefox after watching 10 or so videos. My favorite is when the audio freaks out and plays a 1 second loop at max volume until I kill it. Or I have seen no video, but audio is fine. I am not saying this is youtubes fault, but then again, maybe it is their fault for not using open technology for their videos, which would be available to everyone.

Re: cool (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695361)

this has to be a total lie. linux does everything perfectly out of the box every single time. you're a shill and a troll. linux is the bestest~!!!!!onethousandonehundredeleven!!!! how much is balmers paying you? chairs thorw dev3loprss.dfsa.faddfg

NO CARRIER

Re: cool (2, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695381)

Try using a different Flash plugin. I've had some flash plugins eating 100% CPU all the time, and after upgrading or downgrading they are usable.

Re: cool (2, Insightful)

rho (6063) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695565)

Try using a different Flash plugin. I've had some flash plugins eating 100% CPU all the time, and after upgrading or downgrading they are usable.

The future is nao!

Sometimes I truly wonder what the fuck we think we're doing with computers.

Re: cool (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695619)

My favorite thing is when Flash grabs the sound card and refuses to give it up, and because of the craptastic setup I'm working on right now, I don't get sound again until I log out and back in.

Thank you, God. (1)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695327)

please make it true please make it true please make it true

Still mandatory where I work (4, Interesting)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695371)

I know quite a few LARGE corporate environments that won't be upgrading any time soon since IE7/8 "breaks" their intranet web apps and they aren't about to budget for updating apps that work on the existing browser.

Re:Still mandatory where I work (3, Informative)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695447)

cant firefox be installed on a system with IE6 and IEtab used for the intranet apps, while firefox used for internet??

Re:Still mandatory where I work (1)

lenkyl (1353049) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695505)

kind of a catch 22 there. can't upgrade the browser cause all the apps are coded for ie6. can't upgrade the code cause everyone's required to have ie6.

Re:Still mandatory where I work (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695637)

So code for Firefox (or just be standards compliant). Works on Win2k and Vista (and 7 and Linux and OS X and BSD...), unlike any IE versions.

Re:Still mandatory where I work (3, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695533)

We're a midsized business and until we upgrade our ERP system next year we can't migrate off IE6 so I can only imagine how bad it is for shops with tons of custom code. The version of our ECM system that we are currently testing supports IE7 and Firefox with only partial functionality, no IE8. That means we can upgrade to IE7 once we upgrade our ERP system but we will be on IE7 until mid 2012 at least since our systems are on a 3 year rotation.

And nothing of value was lost. n/t (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695389)

N/t

Easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695393)

[Insert generic anti-MS comment here.]

Discussion complete.

As a web developer.... (1)

Tteddo (543485) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695411)

I must say:
Thank you jesus, thank you lord!
And I ran 20 red lights in his honor!

Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (3, Insightful)

shawnmchorse (442605) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695417)

IE7 doesn't run on Windows 2000.

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (1)

outZider (165286) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695479)

Last time I checked, the year is 2009. The only reason to run Win2k at this point is in a VM. Now would be a good time to upgrade.

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695697)

what does modern software provide beyond skyrocketing executable size, memory use, and cpu saturation per useful feature?

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (2, Informative)

Lendrick (314723) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695495)

Firefox does.

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695509)

Then go to portableapps.com and run Firefox off your desktop.

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695635)

And get fired for it, as doing that is probably a fire-able offense.

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695571)

i have the same issue

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695675)

Then you are pitiable, beneath contempt, and not fit to eat dogs' food!

Re:Last I checked, I couldn't upgrade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695723)

If you have a computer that won't even run XP decently (say, 600 MHz with 512 MB of RAM as the lower end of that range... and tweak it to get rid of a lot of the services you won't be using), trash it and get a new one. That's just sad.

no need of restrictions then (5, Interesting)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695425)

if IE6 is not supported by youtube, and many other popular, non work related sites follow suit, wouldnt enterprises prefer to keep IE6 as it would automatically prevent employees from accessing video/social networking sites from work, and additional money would not have to be spent on proxies and other content restriction system??

since their own apps are in house they can keep IE6 forever w/o any problems

That's a bit sensationalist (4, Funny)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695427)

This Twitter search reflects the jubilation breaking out all over the Net

Yeah, there's a virtual kegger going on over at Twitter about this. Is that going to be our new gauge of how things are going on in the computing world? Has netcraft confirmed it?

Slight problem... (2, Interesting)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695433)

On the one hand if Joe Average User can't get to YouTube.com anymore then yes they'll either upgrade to IE7/8, or maybe use that crazy Firefox browser.

However, we still run across many many clients who still mandate IE6 in their workplace. No upgrading to IE7/8, no other browsers than IE6, etc.

So they'll upgrade finally now too, right?

Nope - those are also the same companies that probably block access to YouTube for bandwidth/time wasting reasons.

Re:Slight problem... (0, Redundant)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695523)

Most workplaces that mandate IE6 probably do not allow employees to browse youtube (nor a host of other sites) when at work.

Re:Slight problem... (1)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695695)

This is definitely a valid argument -- but I think if we extrapolate this a bit into the future this announcement will encourage many more webmasters to stop supporting IE6 as well. Eventually, a site that many of these people use will go down and we will see the demise of IE6.

Re:Slight problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28695725)

99% of said companies need to revise their incredibly stupid, lazy IT policies, and hire some professionals who know how to keep their computers secure and roll out new software as necessary. Except perhaps for that leftover 1% with bizarre requirements, they have absolutely no reason to be running software that is eight years old and two major versions out of date. Insert Debian joke here.

Why even support a browser? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695507)

Why not just support the official html standard and be done with it?

Re:Why even support a browser? (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695601)

Assuming you're not just trolling...

As a developer, you support the browsers, not the standard, because the standards are vague and contradictory in places, which leads to different browsers implementing the standard in different ways.

Oh, and because no browser fully supports any version of the HTML, XHTML, or CSS standards.

Flash (2, Insightful)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695511)

Now, if YouTube would only phase out support for Flash...

I know, I know, wishful thinking. But I do secretly think that YouTube could single-handedly decide which video format(s) become supported (or, if not in the specification, at least popular) for HTML 5. Chrome supports both Theora and H.264, but their HTML 5 test page [youtube.com] uses H.264. Not my personal first choice, but certainly a lot better than Flash.

In any case, I can't wait for this imaginary day when YouTube goes Flash-less. :)

Re:Flash (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695599)

YouTube has always been Flash-less on iPhone/iPod touch.

Re:Flash (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695721)

I almost forgot about that, but you're right: and they use H.264 for that, which is probably also the reason they wrote the HTML 5 test page with H.264 as well.

Unfortunately, some videos just aren't available on the iPhone/iPod touch. But more importantly, these non-Flash videos are accessible only to iPhones and iPod touches: there's no way to view YouTube with H.264 from your desktop browser.

let's go further (0, Flamebait)

toby (759) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695525)

Windows is the real problem.

WAIT A SECOND!!! (5, Funny)

yurtinus (1590157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695531)

Twitter search? Really? I mean.... Really?!?

Corporate Intranets (1)

musicon (724240) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695567)

Don't start celebrating prematurely. There's a good article [quirksmode.org] on Quirksmode about why IE6 will continue to live on corporate intranets.

BRAVO. Earns my respect double on this... (4, Interesting)

CFD339 (795926) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695585)

First, actions like this from massively broad based sites are critical to finally wiping the scourge of IE6 development off the planet. So initial Kudos to YouTube for taking the step.

Of course, YouTube == Google; so no shock that they're willing to disparage IE6, right?

But here's the difference between Google and Microsoft --

The banner shown here, on YouTube (owned by Google) doesn't JUST list Chrome as the upgrade path. It clearly gives equal exposure to Chrome, Firefox, and IE8 -- the biggest competing product to its own browser.

That's the right way to do be competitive in a social networking context. I think we know that if this was say, Bing! or Hotmail, it would show a link to IE8 but that's it. Well, ok, we don't KNOW that, but most of us assume it. I certainly do.

Okay I'll do it! (2, Funny)

nilbog (732352) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695685)

I saw this message today an decided to upgrade my browser. That's the internet, right? I called AOL and told them to upgrade my internet please. They happily obliged. It seems like the same internet to me and I still get the message on youtube.

Re:Okay I'll do it! (1)

nilbog (732352) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695703)

When asked "Which browser do you use?" Most people respond "Google." Telling people to upgrade their Google is only going to confuse them.

I'm afraid the only way to truly get rid of IE6 is wait for all the old people to die.

For Fuck's sake!!! (1)

Ractive (679038) | more than 5 years ago | (#28695711)

Die already IE6!

Not that MS's newer browsers are much better in standards compliance but definitely IE6 = Developers Hell.

But the real problem is that many developers ignorant of the importance of standards as well as ignorant users (and of course MS itself) did a lot of damage creating and supporting IE (6) only sites, and many years later we are still facing the consequences of such poorly designed products, that's a heads up for future browser development this has to stop [slashdot.org]

Interoperability is a must!

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