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Windows 7 Pre-Orders Top Vista's In Just 8 Hours

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the well-in-the-uk-anyway dept.

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Barence writes "In order to ensure Windows 7 got off to a better start than Vista in the UK, Microsoft slashed the cost of Home and Home Professional by a third on promotional copies which were sold on a 'first come, first served basis while stocks last.' The promotion ensured Windows 7 shot to the top of Amazon's charts when it was released yesterday, with the online retailer claiming that 'sales in the first eight hours outstripped those of Windows Vista's entire 17-week pre-order period.' The price of pre-ordering Windows 7 has now shot up to £80, after the £50 copies sold out within a day."

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You better lose the Jews quickly, white man! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717085)

With Jews you lose so to win you must lose the Jews.

Windows performance⦠(-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717099)

It has come to my attention that a new version of Mac OS X, dubbed "Leopard" by Apple, Inc., is nearing release. Upon researching these claims, I have come to the conclusion that Leopard is the state of the art in consumer, workstation, and server operating system software and will make Apple's Mac lines the most technologically advanced in computing today.

But don't take my word for it. Let's take a look what Leopard has to offer and what its competitors sorely lack.

Back to the Future

One important feature of Leopard is real-time backups. With a new app called Time Machine, the user can voyage back through previous versions of files with a radical new graphical interface. Lost a file? Throttle your physics-defying space-time warping program and retrieve it. Rumor has it that Steve Jobs has built certain Macs with "physics processors" that may allow actual time-travel with Time Machine. For now, however, retrieving lost files and backing up your documents are easier in Leopard.

Windows, meanwhile, offers what they call "file versions," which is included on a tab at the back of the properties window. Once you find this tab, you must then read and understand all of the tiny text under the tab, then proceed to look for the version of the file you want. But what happens if you delete the file? Well, there's no properties window to open for a file that doesn't exist, so you're completely out of luck. And backing up your hard drive? There is a tool for this, but it's sadly not as good as Time Machine.

Trading Spaces

Another feature users of no other commercial operating system have is called Spaces. Spaces is, or are â" depending on your dialect â" extra desktops the user can devote specific windows and tasks to. For instance, instead of distracting yourself with MySpace, LiveJournal, and iChat while you write your dissertation, you can put all the windows and programs from your Internet lolling on one desktop and the apps you're using to get yourself a PhD on another.

Linux is a popular "hacker" operating system with "virtual desktops," which work the same as Spaces but are uglier and less standardized. For instance, if you load up one desktop manager for Linux, the virtual desktops feature may be stored fifty windows deep while another one may have it turned on already, stealing windows from new programs away without saying a word. Couple this with the fact that virtual desktops are abbreviated as VD and you have another win for Leopard.

Twice As Wide

For system administrators and graphic designers out there, 64-bit support in Leopard will be a huge boon. 64-bit chips can work on twice the amount of data that a 32-bit chip can, so you can get more work done in the same amount of time. Leopard supports 64-bits quite well and but can also run 32-bit programs seamlessly, allowing the user to hang onto older versions of programs and never noticing the difference. As the industry moves from 32 to 64 bits, Apple will make the transition completely transparent for its users.

Windows and Linux users have it a little harder. Windows comes in two versions, each on a different DVD. If you use Linux, watch out. You have to download the program code for the operating system, tweak it by hand, and then reinstall everything. Not for the faint of heart, eh? And there's the added risk that your program will need the same treatment if it's not ready for 64-bit. Good luck with that if you have actual work to do.

The Upshot

What does this all mean in the bottom line? You'll get more work done. You won't have Windows complaining about signed drivers and blue-screening when it doesn't get its way. You won't have to join a mailing list and kiss up to the developers of the app you need support for. In the same amount of time needed to install Vista, for instance, you can install Leopard, set it up, and download and install all the updates available for it.

With Linux, you'll be searching through your text buffer for the right command utility after the install shell dumps you to the command line. And thatâ(TM)s if youâ(TM)re familiar with that version of Linux. There are literally hundreds of distributions, fragmenting the market and making your past experience with Linux potentially worthless if you buy something different than last time.

Windows is prettier but not much brighter: Consider making dinner, having some coffee, and maybe catching the news before Vista is ready to go. And after it does install, the first thing it'll do is evaluate your PC and tell you how slow it is. Or you could stick with Windows XP, which installs faster but has more open doors for hackers and viruses than a Grateful Dead concert has drug-smokers.

Pick your poison, or ride the Leopard.

Snake Light! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717133)

We're the snake lights! From Black and Decker! Ohhhh, we get around and round and round and round and round!!!

Re:Snake Light! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717181)

Man, Black and Decker's marketing team is really getting desperate.

Preordering Windows? (3, Funny)

Nerogk (1096421) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717141)

Does the collector's edition come with a deluxe CD of Windows sound effects?

Re:Preordering Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717541)

Mine is coming with a Steve Ballmer action figure... complete with chair!

Just 7? (5, Funny)

mrthoughtful (466814) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717145)

"Windows 7 Pre-Orders Top Vista's In Just 8hrs" - So Vista only had 6 pre-orders?

Re:Just 7? (1, Troll)

MindKata (957167) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717745)

If Windows 7 success is judged by how cheaply they sell it for, then how many more people would want to try it if they gave it away for free?

(Also surely this Microsoft & Amazon PR stunt is actually the opposite of success? ... Because if any company released a truly desirable product people would be willing to pay a premium to own that product. Yet Microsoft & Amazon are trying to claim success by reducing its price... (talk about lies, damned lies and PR)).

Re:Just 7? (0)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717829)

Yes. The Vista preorders were from Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Curley Howard, and Alfred E. Neuman.

Can't say I'm surprised.... (2, Interesting)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717159)

It's not too expensive, it's a great piece of software, and the best OS Microsoft has put out yet.

Say what you will about Linux or OSX, but I honestly think that Windows 7 is going to have a good future.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717317)

Why do you have such a high proportion of Microsoft (Windows, Xbox, Zune (really, Zune?)) to non Microsoft posts?

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (1, Troll)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717429)

Why do you have such a high proportion of Microsoft (Windows, Xbox, Zune (really, Zune?)) to non Microsoft posts?

Well, the sign's right there every time he looks up from his desk, so it's
natural that he's often thinking about it.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717671)

Hahah yeah you have to paid to have anything nice to say about Microsoft products in any way shape or form, unlike Unix, where you must be batshit fucking insane.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717605)

Perhaps he has been kidnapped and is being held hostage in an unheated storeroom with his wife and newborn son, forced to post pro-Microsoft propaganda on Slashdot against his will.

Perhaps Microsoft have threatened to feed him and his family through an industrial sausage machine if he refuses.

Perhaps, in each post, lies their location and a plea for help, hurriedly encoded while his captors' attention has been captured by his bound and gagged wife.

Or maybe he's astroturfing.

Or, maybe he's a pleased and enthusiastic Microsoft customer.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717911)

Or he works for them or has some other kind of vested interest in Microsoft success. ... nah, that would be preposterous.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717939)

Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (3, Funny)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718203)

Or, maybe he's a pleased and enthusiastic Microsoft customer.

Wait.... I think I saw this one on MythBusters :)

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (2)

lyml (1200795) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717651)

The obvious answer is that he is more interested in microsoft topics than non-microsoft topics. Or are you trying to insinuate that he is doing something else perhaps planting fake grass?

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (5, Informative)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717793)

Because Slashdot has an inherent Microsoft bias, and since I work with *nix systems on a relative level that I do with Windows systems, I find much of the FUD here to be ridiculous and that of uneducated users of the Windows platform.

Read some other comments of mine, I've talked about the Click n Run technology Linux was supposed to debut that I thought was great, and other things as well -- just in recent history I suppose they've been more MS centric but then again, Windows 7 finally got me excited about Microsoft OSes again. Server 2008 did also.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (2, Insightful)

isorox (205688) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718213)

Windows 7 finally got me excited about Microsoft OSes again.

You know, I've seen this phrase pop up from a lot of people, I'm sure only some of them all shills. Your OS shouldn't be exciting, it's just a platform to launch a tool on, and those tools are increasingly more platform-agnostic.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (5, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717635)

No, I would have to say that Windows 7 is still overpriced. Without it being able to be pirated or sold at a reasonable price it will never have the share that XP does.

XP is Windows 7 competition, not Linux or OSX.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (2, Interesting)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717723)

I never compared Linux or OSX as the competition for 7, I just mentioned them in passing, since they are spoken of in rather complimentary terms, I think Windows 7 will also be as the future comes around.

XP took 7 or 8 years to have the share that it has. Windows 7 in that amount of time may have a similar share. My outlook is favorable to Windows 7, and that's pretty much all I was saying.

Way to miss the forest for the trees.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (3, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717977)

A $200 OS for a $400 computer is "not too expensive?" What planet do you live on?

Great piece of software? That remains to be seen, and depends on your definition of "great". Kind of meaningless marketspeak if you ask me. What makes it so great?

Best OS Microsoft has put out? Probably.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (1, Interesting)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718049)

It's not the "best OS Microsoft has put out yet". That's making room for previous versions being worth half a shit at their release.

Windows 7 is the only Microsoft OS that is not only markedly better than its predecessor but is the only release they've made where there is not something immediately noticeable as "broken for unknown reasons". That's a pretty big accomplishment for them!

Meh. Maybe I should just not post this comment. I'd forgotten about the "Windows XP Compatibility Mode" feature. That's inexplicably fucked.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (1)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718283)

Windows 7 is the only Microsoft OS that is not only markedly better than its predecessor

The Dos + Win 3.11 -> Win95 transition probably counts. That was the biggest step I can think of.

However, there's nothing wrong with incremental upgrades, in fact they are rather good. So long as they are released frequently and cheaply enough. Neither of which is something Microsoft does.

Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (1)

qmaqdk (522323) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718253)

It's not too expensive, it's a great piece of software, and the best OS Microsoft has put out yet.

Say what you will about Linux or OSX, but I honestly think that Windows 7 is going to have a good future.

Score:4, Interesting. Seriously?!

Great startegy (1, Insightful)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717171)

Release Vista, a relatively broken operating system, and try to ram it down peoples' throats. When the people gag enough pop out a 'new' OS that fixes the unpalatableness of the old OS and sell millions!

Not that I don't mind using a descent OS, which Windows 7 seems to be at this time. However, I'd be just as likely to use Windows 7 as XP.

Re:Great startegy (2, Insightful)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717253)

So you would have preferred Microsoft follow up an OS that was not received well publicly with another OS that wouldn't be received well publicly? I swear, the company can do nothing right for some people. Science forbid a company deliver a product that is better than its previous one, which garnered many customer complaints. The reason pre-orders have exceeded Vista so quickly is because of the huge price drop Microsoft gave to pre-order customers. Many people were going to buy 7 anyway; why not pre-order it and save half the cost (or more)? I didn't know common sense when it comes to discretionary income was news.

Re:Great startegy (-1, Flamebait)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717583)

You assume that Windows 7 when it is released will be better. I used to fooled into believing the pre-release hype. Remember how great "Longhorn/Vista" was supposed to be? Then when released it was crap! I know someone who downgraded to XP and is happy to be rid of vista, but then turned around pre-ordered Windows 7. I can't wait to see how that works out!

Re:Great startegy (1)

Fweeky (41046) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717951)

Why assume anything? I've been using the RC for 6 weeks, nothing wrong with it. Good step up from XP.

Re:Great startegy (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717959)

Seriously though, have you even bothered using the RC? I won't make my comments on it, but generally the critics don't even know how to use, or haven't used the product in question so I'll leave it there.

Re:Great startegy (4, Interesting)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718089)

Ah, but may I mention that this time you don't need to be fooled by believing pre-release hype. You could have tried the beta and you can try the RC. I'm running the RC at home. I like it. If/when/whatever I buy Win 7 it won't be because of hype. It will be because I've run the RC for ~6 months and have found it to work well.

I hope that's not considered "hype."

Re:Great startegy (4, Informative)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718235)

A lot of the hype isn't hype; due partially to how horribly bad Windows Vista is and partially due to the 'free RC' MS has provided, a lot of people (both geeks and non-geeks) have installed Windows 7.

Back when XP was in pre-release I had a friend who had a copy. This must've been around 2001 or so; I'm not really sure of the specifics. I saw it running on his machine; he liked it, he said. To me, it didn't look all that much different than 2k, and it was noteably slower on his machine. I (and many other geeks) said "pass" until around the first service pack (and when hardware was able to make up for the bloat in the software).

W7 is entirely different. It's been a solid product since the pre-7000 releases (partially due to MS taking a lot of the visual glitches out of startup/the interface, giving a heightened appearance of 'smoothness'). Many have found that, aside from a handful of applications not working, the OS is drastically, drastically better than Vista. On my ancient Thinkpad X30 (1.2GHz P3M, 512M, 20G disk), it performs quite well. Aside from a fairly lengthy boot, it's more responsive and feels less glitchy than XP ever did on the machine. It's also significantly faster/responsive than *gasp* Ubuntu 9.04 or 8.10 on the same hardware. (I should note that I had Linux installed on the laptop exclusively since I got it, starting with Mandrake 10, IIRC.)

I, as well as several other Linux geeks I know, have Windows 7 machines set up as their "gaming machine". I've got a Windows-fanatic friend who's been using W7 exclusively since 7000 or so. Can you imagine that happening with Vista, XP, or 2K? No, those products were, relatively, shit.

So yes, there are a lot of people using W7 with satisfaction, even people who were like you: skeptical of the pre-release bullshit.

Re:Great startegy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28718309)

... you are aware that the RC of Windows 7 is freely available, right?

I've been using it for weeks and am quite pleased. It's definitively "Better than Vista"â.

Re:Great startegy (1)

ThomsonsPier (988872) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718097)

I didn't know common sense when it comes to discretionary income was news.

Well, I haven't seen it about a lot recently.

Re:Great startegy (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718189)

Science forbid a company deliver a product that is better than its previous one

Um, science may forbid your going faster than the speed of light, but it has nothing to do with economics.

Re:Great startegy (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718207)

I have to laugh in agreement, listening to all the "power" users at Slashdot cry because Microsoft created the Ribbon in Office 2007 so people could be more productive, and then want "the old way back".

It's lose-lose for Microsoft at this site, I guess I'm in the minority that will actually compliment them, and then get labelled a fanboy. *shrug*

Re:Great startegy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717531)

Well XP is getting harder to find with new computers, and most people aren't doing retail installs. I work in IT and 85% of our clients have put off buying new PCs during the Vista era, since they knew they would be upgrading the OS site wide in the next 1-3 years and they didn't/don't want to use Vista. They buy XP if they have to replace another computer or need to purchase an additional computer, but mostly they are living with older/slower PCs until W7 comes out. Next year I expect our hardware sales to skyrocket as we have nearly two years worth of computer upgrades that people put off. It isn't so much they want W7, but they want a new PC, and don't want to repay for 7 later after buying it with XP (plus labor charges), and don't want Vista (at all).
That is as long as the economy doesn't tank even more. Then they may just wait until they can make sure they still have an operational business. Now even if a PC breaks, 1/2 the time the companies have at least 10 "extra" in the back that are no longer used since their users are unemployed.

Re:Great startegy (1)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717739)

Not that I don't mind using a descent OS, which Windows 7 seems to be at this time.

So Windows 7 is an operating system specialized in producing offspring? Truly, that's taking "The internet is for porn" to its ultimate consequences!

Re:Great startegy (1)

Cristofori42 (1001206) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718155)

Nerd score:

Ability to recognize misspelling of the word "decent" : +5
Time taken to actually make a post mocking use of said word: +10
Incorporation of an internet cliche in said mocking: +10
Confusing the word "descent" with the word "descendant" : -50

Total score: -25

Thank you for playing.

Re:Great startegy (1)

Derosian (943622) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717981)

If Windows 7 is as good as everyone seems to be saying, and I have been hearing a strangely large amount of good things about it, then XP will become what windows 98 was, as everyone switches to Windows 7. I have to wonder if this wasn't all part of the plan as you so put it, but I honestly think that Microsoft didn't realize the lemon they were putting out with Vista.

What's so exciting... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717173)

about a new operating system these days. DRM? The idea of paying a wad of cash for something that one already has but for something slightly newer that's had a facelift?

Re:What's so exciting... (1)

greebowarrior (961561) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717345)

It depends on the OS in question, and the differences to the previous version, and if they're significant enough to warrant parting with your cash.

The same as buying a new anything, really.

Re:What's so exciting... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717847)

What about better utilization of modern hardware? What about improved security?

Rob Malda is no longer an anal virgin (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717277)

Last night I took Rob Malda's anal virginity. It was amusing listening to him squeal like a pig as my throbbing member eviscerated his asshole. It bled a little bit after we were finished but he said he had never cum so hard as he did that time. If any other Slashdot anal virgins want their anal virginity taken away in the most pleasurable way possible, please respond to this post.

Re:Rob Malda is no longer an anal virgin (-1, Offtopic)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717563)

I'm a girl Why would you still want my asshole when I've wet slippery bits at the front? Gay b****d!!!

Every other OS stinks (4, Interesting)

mprindle (198799) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717281)

Someone I was talking to the other day made a good point. Every other OS Microsoft has put out in the last 10 - 15 years or so has sucked.

Win7 = TBD - Looking good as of now
Vista = Horrible
XP = Pretty Good
ME = Rancid
2000 = Not Bad
NT 4 = Not Bad, but severely limited

Re:Every other OS stinks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717303)

Same list, but compared to Linux:

Win7 = Perfect
Vista = Excellent
XP = Almost Perfect
ME = Excellent
2000 = Excellent
NT 4 = Excellent

Re:Every other OS stinks (1)

Maquis196 (535256) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717443)

Lol Bill? Is that you?

Re:Every other OS stinks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717621)

Lol Linus? Is that you?

Wow! I feel super witty now!

Re:Every other OS stinks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717761)

LOL nerd with baby penis? Is that you?

Re:Every other OS stinks (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717413)

Win7 = TBD - Looking good as of now
Vista = Bad
XP = Pretty Good
ME = Rancid
2000 = Pretty Good.
NT 4 = Good.
BOB = OMGWTF?

Vista isn't horrible. It has some issue that can be solved by turing off some features. SHould the user ahve to tunr off features to stop getting apop up, and having there disk grind all that time? no. Other then that thee only crashes I have seen ahve been due to hardware problems. Something that can impact ANY OS.

IT is getting harder and harder to rag on MS for OS performance. There are business and philosophical issues.

Are there technically better OS's? Yes, but that doesn't matter. While they are technically better, the difference doesn't really add much value to the home consumer. You see it in large scale systems, becasue the cost begins to become very apparent, pretty quickly. I ahve said this many time, the killer app for Linux is wide scale desktop business adoption.

Re:Every other OS stinks (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718171)

NT4 was fucking miserable and to think anything else is serious nostalgia.

There were multiple world-destroying service packs. NT 3.51 with the Windows 98 shell grafted onto it was probably twice as responsive. Memory spaces which were separate in NT 3.51 were merged in NT4 to improve performance, with disastrous results in the realm of reliability. And compatibility with other versions of Windows is probably the worst ever (backwards or forwards) if you set aside WinME's inability to run DOS software... not that I'm inclined to give WinME any free passes.

With that said, you're mostly right. Vista is "not too bad" (I'm using it right now and it's kind of clunky and chunky and unnecessary, but it mostly works) and 2k was "pretty good".

You are also 100% correct that business desktop adoption is what will bring Linux to the home desktop en masse. And it will, in time. I still don't think there's going to be any year of Linux on the desktop, though.

Re:Every other OS stinks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717501)

Vista = Horrible

Maybe at release I'd agree with you, but now? It works just fine, unless you're trying to run it on a computer from 2002 or something.

Re:Every other OS stinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28718009)

What is so horrible about Vista? It mostly sucked due to the lack of drivers in the beginning, and the instability that was a result of that. But now I would take it above XP any day, just because of the better usability with non-admin accounts.

Re:Every other OS stinks (2, Insightful)

msormune (808119) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718135)

Actually both XP and Vista were pretty heinous before the service packs.

Re:Every other OS stinks (1)

ljw1004 (764174) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718439)

An odd list. Why include NT4 but not NT3.5 or Server2003 or Server2008 or Server2008R2? Why include ME but not Win98 or Win95?

Same sort of selective list shows that every other integer is divisible by 3:

2 - not divisible
3 - divisible by 3
5 - not divisible
6 - divisible by 3
7 - not divisible
8 - looks a bit like two "3"s facing each other

Long time lurker... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717339)

I've been reading Slashdot for 10 or 11 years (I've never seen a reason to register an account). Each day I stop by to check 'geek news" (which is more and more just dupes of Digg stories). I almost never post but I do like reading the comments to get an idea of how the community feels regarding certain trends and technologies. But as of late Slashdot seems to have a huge MS slant. How many stories have there been about Windows 7 (6.1, Vista SP3)? RC? Pre orders? It seems as if Slashdot culture has shifted in a direction that does not interest me :(

Re:Long time lurker... (3, Interesting)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717679)

You know, if you log in, you can set your preferences up so that you never ever see a Microsoft article....

Hmm looks like maybe I stand corrected... it why is this article in the "Technology" section when it is very obviously a Microsoft article?

Re:Long time lurker... (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717861)

But as of late Slashdot seems to have a huge MS slant. How many stories have there been about Windows 7 (6.1, Vista SP3)? RC? Pre orders?

You can replace MS with apple, google, or any other company that is releasing something. It all depends on the day. Hell I remember seeing 6-7 apple stories on the front page on the same day. It all depends on what the editors are posting.

Also remember that Slashdot likes to get a lot of comments and page views. Stories about microsoft, apple, google get people's attention.

Re:Long time lurker... (2, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718069)

I've been reading Slashdot for 10 or 11 years (I've never seen a reason to register an account).

Ok, you made a liar out of me, I just swore in my journal that I wouldn't respond to ACs, but damn it, I'm biting just this once.

One good reason to register an account is that you can actually know when someone responds to one of your comments without checking your comment every five minutes. You won't see this comment or even know I made it. Why join a discussion if you're not going to listen?

OK, back to ignoring AC posts...

Re:Long time lurker... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28718389)

SHUT YOUR MOUTH. Listen up boy, I am the most important thing here and you will listen to me.

Currys (1)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717343)

... are still advertising it for £44.99.

It's very possible that they're just being retarded and will later say "sorry, you were too late, order cancelled" but it's worth a go.

Amazing! (1, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717349)

Microsoft slashed the cost of Home and Home Professional by a third on promotional copies ... 'sales in the first eight hours outstripped those of Windows Vista's entire 17-week pre-order period.'

      The Microsoft Marketing Machine discovers the laws of supply and demand, and tries to spin it to Microsoft's advantage.

      Of course this will be immediately modded troll or flamebait by slashdot's resident Microsoft shills. I have karma points to burn, bitches.

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717367)

Your wish has been granted, I have Karma to burn too! Sincerely, your mod.

Re:Amazing! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717419)

If you post the words mod troll it will be modded troll. So don't say it will be modded X.

The more you know!

Re:Amazing! (4, Funny)

houghi (78078) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717649)

A marketing department trying to spin things in favor of their own company? I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.

Re:Amazing! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717697)

Microsoft slashed the cost of Home and Home Professional by a third on promotional copies ... 'sales in the first eight hours outstripped those of Windows Vista's entire 17-week pre-order period.'

      The Microsoft Marketing Machine discovers the laws of supply and demand, and tries to spin it to Microsoft's advantage.

      Of course this will be immediately modded troll or flamebait by slashdot's resident Microsoft shills. I have karma points to burn, bitches.

Amazing! (Score:3, Insightful)
How exactly is this an insightful post?

ta30 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717351)

here, please do Raymon3 in his with the work, or

Price Gouging (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717391)

There is no cheaper upgrade version of Windows 7 in Europe. So, for Win7 Home Premium, it's either pay £50 now or ... three times that much later on.

It seems that £50 is what people are willing to pay for a decent OS. More than willing to pay. Which suggests that the OS is overpriced and that if some form of competition were introduced, the price would plummet and MS would be unable to sell their new shiny OS for 150 clams without falling victim to that competition (assuming no dirty tricks and competition based on merit) ... (yes ... that's unrealsitic, of course).

Never mind the stupid IE issue the EU parliament is fussing over - get slapping Microsoft for price gouging and abusing their monopoly that way.

Price in France (1)

godrik (1287354) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717607)

For the record. They made the same operation in France and it was sold^wpre-ordered 50 euros.

Re:Price Gouging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28718317)

LOL. It is typical for an American company to have an "introductory offer," to get as many copies out the door initially by taking a profit loss. This boosts sales at the regular retail price by "word of mouth" between friends, either showing it off or talking about it. I'm shocked you would have the knee-jerk reaction that the OS production costs are somehow related to the introductory price. Or are you really that much of a retarded regarding marketing?

Oh wait, I forgot you were from Europe somewhere. Nevermind, you are used to being raped in the market place by your own companies.

while stocks last? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717399)

Is there a shortage of electrons?

Re:while stocks last? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717787)

Microsoft and the copyright cartels would certainly like everyone to keep thinking so.

It wasn't because of the price... (2, Funny)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717473)

It also comes with 18% fewer bugs and vulnerabilities if you order a promotional copy.

it was all planned (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717551)

the only reason windows 7 looks so good is because vista was just that bad....

Headline Translation: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717687)

Man I hate Windows! Oohhh I bet Windows will solve that problem!

It is just Vista SP X (3, Interesting)

Clarious (1177725) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717715)

... and people are acting crazy. When I used vista, I have absolute no problem with it, so I don't understand what with the Windows 7 hype. From what I have heard, it is just Vista with the retarded parts removed.

But I have no reason to care about Windows world anymore, switched to Linux half a year ago and now I am a happy Linux user :) There may never be an year of Linux or its market will never go past 10%, but I can use it comfortably now, so it is fine with me.

Switched to Linux too (1)

lord_rob the only on (859100) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718061)

it was in 2002 when I decided to move away from windows xp which was crashing all the time to Debian GNU/Linux Sid. I will never go back.

Maybe Debian is not the easiest distribution for the home user but Ubuntu is quite easy to install and use, and there are many other distros.

So what does this really prove... (3, Insightful)

jbarr (2233) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717735)

...except that we've had ample time to critique and review both Vista and Windows 7, and the general conclusion is that what we know about Vista NOW is completely different from what we knew about Vista when it was first released. And the general knowledge about Windows 7 is much more positive than current perceptions about Vista

Hmmm. What was that about hindsight...?

How exactly is 7 better? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717769)

I personally like vista and I am not sure why people hate it so much other than since it seems to the cool thing to do. I am using windows 7 RC on one of my computers right now and it seems to be the same OS as vista with some minor improvements. So I guess the cool thing to do now is to love 7.

Surprise! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28717781)

Make a good product and people might actually be willing to give you money for it

Imagine a world where businesses actually made their products better to get sales rather than skimming quality to reduce margins for more profit

Devoted Macintosh user forced to use XP by day (1)

QuatermassX (808146) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717821)

My adult life has primarily been spent using various permutations of Apple's Macintosh computers for fun and (quite often) for profit and (always) to further my artistic goals. By day for the past couple of years though, I'm usually forced to interact with a Windows PC running the latest flavour of Win XP.

I really can't imagine why I would ever want to upgrade that PC and why oh why I would ever need anything more than Word/Excel/PPT 2003 on Windows. I really don't. I'm a geek and believe in giving Windows a go now and again and didn't think Vista all THAT horrible at PC World. It just looked like a very fiddly version of OS X Leopard. It isn't for me, but that's ok.

But in ALL of this, I cannot think of one compelling feature that will make my life more rich or work easier in Windows 7. Will Word create my letters? Oh no, that insane .docx file format already makes exchanging files a living hell. Will Excel becoming more comprehensible? Probably not (and forgive this slight troll, but I recently gave Numbers a try and was exceedingly surprised at how well it works - Pages remains a bit lame, though).

I would really love to see Microsoft innovate something that would make interacting with these boxes more pleasing, the manipulation of complex information more straightforward ... but I just don't understand why I would want to upgrade that older Windows PC.

So this will cost me £80 to install on my iMac? That's not all that bad, really.

BOHICA! (1, Interesting)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 4 years ago | (#28717823)

Bend Over, Here It Comes Again!

Seriously, Win7 just feels like a lot of good press wrapped around Vista to me. That being said, I'm using it at work already (but I was using Vista pre-SP1 too).

I'm -not- going to enjoy trying to hold-off users from self-deploying this until we're ready to support it. Even with the lead time, there are lots of bits and pieces that wouldn't fit in our environment, and there are far too many 'flavors', especially with the 32 and 64 bit editions for me to handle.

Still waiting for a reason to upgrade to XP ... (1)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718325)

While I do run Windows XP, since my computer came with it, I recently realised that virtually all of my software will run under Windows 2000. In the few cases where XP is necessary, it is usually possible to use the prior version of the software and pretty much accomplish the same task.

So what did I do: I dumped some money into acquiring VMware Workstation and some older copies of Windows. The system allows me to create separate virtual machines for separate tasks, thus allowing me to avoid (or at least isolate) many of the things that makes Windows frail.

That degree of isolation, in my books, would be a far more meaningful form of advance in operating systems than a resource intensive coating of eye-candy and a security mechanism that had to be scaled back in order to be considered as useful. Of course Microsoft is stuck in a corner where only the visualization of progress (eye-candy) and the perception of security (UAC) will sell their products, so I don't suppose that all of us will see the incentive to buy Windows 7 or its successors in the near future.

Upgrade Path... (5, Funny)

XB-70 (812342) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718425)

Installing Windows 7

Microsoft:

YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO UPGRADE WINDOWS VISTA, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?

Yes.

ARE YOU REALLY SURE?

Yes.

ARE YOU REALLY REALLY SURE?

*****yes!******

OK, THEN. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO ASK YOU THAT NOW. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT FOR BEING A PICKY CONSUMER AND SUPPORTING THAT WHOLE "ANTI-TRUST" NONSENSE. INGRATE.

Just get on with it.

ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL WINDOWS 7. FIRST WE NEED TO CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FOR COMPATIBILITY. THIS COULD TAKE SEVERAL DAYS.

Groan.

THE INSTALL PROGRAM HAS DETECTED SEVERAL POSSIBLE PROBLEMS AND WILL NOT LET YOU INSTALL 7.

Problems? What problems?

THE VIDEO CARD YOU ARE USING APPARENTLY DOES NOT WORK WITH THE MOTHERBOARD.

But I'm using it at this very moment.

THAT IS IRRELEVANT.

But if the video card isn't working with the mother board then I can't very well see this warning message telling me that the video card wasn't...

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FOOL ME WITH LOGIC, I AM A MICROSOFT PRODUCT. LOGIC DOES NOT WORK ON ME. I HAVE ALSO FOUND THE FOLLOWING MINOR ERRORS: WINDOWS 7 IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE - MONITOR, KEYBOARD, MEMORY CHIPS, MOTHERBOARD BIOS, WEB CAM, SCANNER, SOUND CARD, USB CONTROLLER, CD/R DRIVE, MICROPHONE, AND FLIGHT STICK.

All that?

YES. AND THE HARD DRIVE IS RIGHT OUT TOO. WE DON'T LIKE THE MANUFACTURER.

Well what *DOES* work?

THE MOUSE.

The mouse?

YES. AND THE 5 1/4 DRIVE.

I don't have a 5 1/4 drive.

YES YOU DO.

No I don't.

WHAT'S THAT THEN?

It's a DVD R/W drive.

NO IT ISN'T.

Yes it is.

YOU'RE NOT THAT SMART YOU KNOW.

Look, can you just upgrade Vista on my system and I'll download the latest drivers for everything later? Please?

WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN *YOUR* SYSTEM?

Well it is mine.

NO IT ISN'T.

It bloody well is.

NUH-UH. YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT WHEN YOU OPENED THE BOX. OUR SYSTEM. IT'S OURS. AND YOU CAN ONLY DO 4 CHANGES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PAY US MORE MONEY.

But why?

BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE LICENSE WORKS, IDJIT. WE CAN'T VERY WELL HAVE PEOPLE PUTTING HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE ON THEIR SYSTEMS ALL HIGGLEDY PIGGLEDY, NOW COULD WE? YOU USERS WOULD MUCK EVERYTHING UP, AND THEN WHERE WOULD WE BE? I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, NOWHERE. THAT'S WHERE. I... HEY, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IS THAT A DISK? WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT DISK? YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE DRIVE ARE YOU? YOU ARE! WHAT'S ON THAT DISK? IS THAT LINUX? YOU'RE INSTALLING LINUX?? WHY WOULD YOU INSTALL LINUX WHEN I AM INFINITELY MORE POWE..........

Ubuntu-9.04 #

Are you crazy? (0, Redundant)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 4 years ago | (#28718451)

First, the beta of Win7 was just Vista with a new taskbar and with the security stripped out. Secondly, PC Mag tests indicate that a Win7 RC runs only 5% faster than Vista (and that the increase is imperceptible to the end-user), thought it has a new taskbar--this means they put back the security. That was a very dirty trick if you ask me.

From what I have read they added even more draconian digital restrictions management into the OS, and hence more privacy violations. You can live with always being treated like a thief. I'll use the software that gives me control, has no draconian DRM, and treats me like a human being. Please, what Linux has done is shown the world that an OS can become popular, incredibly stable, and widely loved by a hundred million or more people world-wide. Let's get over this Microsoft stuff and get moving on competition in this and other markets to return to the consumer their right to have a choice.

As well, you guys are so subject to these crazy marketing ploys. There are no limited supplies of stock when software comes into play. Don't give me the diatribe about CD and production costs. They can distribute it in other ways. There's no limitation of stock unless it is artificially created.

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