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NASA Releases Restored Apollo 11 Video, But Originals Lost

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the next-year-comes-the-box-set-of-studio-masters dept.

Moon 173

leetrout writes "I attended a media briefing held by NASA at the Newseum in Washington, D.C. this morning where they released restored video of the Apollo 11 mission. The clips released are about 40% of the total footage to be restored by September by Lowry Digital in Burbank, CA. Wired has all the clips. A couple remarkable comments made during the briefing included the opinion from the original footage search committee that the original slow scan footage (stored as a single track on telemetry tapes) has been lost forever as the tapes were likely recycled by the mid '80s (apparently common NASA practice). Also, that someone from the applied physics laboratory was in Australia converting the slow scan directly to video. This differs from NASA's goal of merely broadcasting the event, at which it was successful. Unfortunately, no one knows where those tapes of approximately two hours of footage are located."

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Why is Vanilla Ice on the Apollo Tapes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722073)

One time after a high school band concert where we had made a semi-professional recording. I asked if I could make a copy of it. Most dual tape decks I was used too had the source on the left and the destination the right. This deck was reversed and I ended up recording over the only copy of the concert recording with Rhythm is a Dancer. My band director was not amused. Looking back, it was kinda funny. Maybe someone at NASA did something similar?

Tape shortage (2, Insightful)

PeterM from Berkeley (15510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722185)

I read somewhere else that NASA had a tape shortage at some point, so they recycled the moon landing tapes to store other data.

I wonder if advanced data recovery techniques could recover the previously written data well enough to be useful.

--PM

Re:Tape shortage (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722233)

Those tapes are gone. If they were recycled then we won't know whisch tapes it's on, assuming the one they reused wasn't destroyed.

Re:Tape shortage (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722303)

One has to wonder at the penny-wise/pound-foolish confluence of circumstances that would lead to NASA erasing mission data because they couldn't buy more tapes...

Re:Tape shortage (2, Informative)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722739)

NASA was under some serious budget constraints after Apollo ended, no great follow-ons after the glorious climax, and every nutjob with a pet cause blathering "If we can send a man to the moon, why can't we.....".

God, we heard that phrase so many times in so many contexts. And every time I heard it, I threw up a little in my mouth.

Re:Tape shortage (5, Insightful)

BobNET (119675) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722769)

If we can send a man to the moon, why can't we store the damn tapes of the event properly?!

Re:Tape shortage (2, Interesting)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723435)

That was sort of my point. There was a feeling that the space program was, in a way, "over". There was a perception that Apollo had eaten enormous amounts of money, even though it really hadn't, Viet Nam had taken far more; and somehow, the space program was "discretionary", even "luxury", maybe even "frivolous". NASA was gutted, both of funds and personnel. They were LAST in line to get any money.

Re:Tape shortage (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724231)

I can't tell for sure from your comments, but I get the feeling that you worked there. Is that true? Were you an astronaut?

Cheers,

And worst of all (3, Insightful)

qwerty shrdlu (799408) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723153)

"If we could send a man to the moon, why can't we send a man to the moon?"

Re:Tape shortage (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722749)

"Dude, it's not like we can't just go to the moon again!"

Re:Tape shortage (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722981)

This time in HD!

Re:Tape shortage (1)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724229)

It will be glorious!

Re:Tape shortage (1)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724347)

and I think we have enough female astronauts to have a women only lunar mission.

Re:Tape shortage (0, Troll)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724479)

Imagine sending a female-only crew to Mars - it's what, about 90 days to get there, a few days wandering around, and another 90 to get back. Imagine the atmosphere in the cabin when their cycles synchronise...and I'm not talking about the O2/N ratios.

Re:Tape shortage (4, Funny)

pbhj (607776) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723431)

"Dude, it's not like we can't just go to the moon again!"

I assumed they dismantled the film studio after the first one ...

AND NOW A JOKE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722253)

What's the easiest way to cut off a nigger's dick? Kick a white woman in the jaw!

Re:AND NOW A JOKE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723001)

A Fat white woman.

Re:AND NOW A JOKE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723071)

Kick Sonia Sotomayor in the jaw!

Too soon?

Re:Why is Vanilla Ice on the Apollo Tapes? (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723899)

So.... you're saying that maybe, just maybe, Elvis *IS* on the moon [tapes]?!

After The Shuttle Is Shuttered, PLEASE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722105)

contract with Energia [energia.ru] for future
space launches so N.A.S.A. can do something RIGHT.

Yours In Baikonur,
Kilgore Trout

Computing power (4, Funny)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722129)

It is truly amazing what you can "find" when you have unlimited access to huge amounts of supercomputing power.

The render times are probably really impressive too. ;)

Armstrong Shot First (3, Funny)

lennier (44736) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723549)

Darn directors cuts! I *liked* the old version where you could see the Vaseline blur under the LM, and Armstrong shot first.

Re:Armstrong Shot First (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723705)

Just wait for the 45th anniversary remastered ultimate directors cut, with 12 seconds of never before seen footage.
They say the new footage completely changes the tone of the moon landing.

An interesting PR problem (4, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722133)

Having a Hollywood studio "restore" the footage is going to provide wonderful ammunition for the conspiracy nuts, as they now get to claim that even if the tapes were real, you have no way of knowing if the restored information is genuine or inserted.

Re:An interesting PR problem (2, Interesting)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722213)

True... So we will have to continue linking to the mythbusters episode until they shut up

(they won't, of course)

Re:An interesting PR problem (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722465)

True... So we will have to continue linking to the mythbusters episode until they shut up

I'm still wondering what the conspiracy theorists say about the retroreflector experiments that have been conducted daily since Apollo 11. Considering the difference in reflectivity between the moon's surface and the retroreflectors, surely there have been some attempts to explain it.

Re:An interesting PR problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722533)

unmanned missions

Re:An interesting PR problem (4, Insightful)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722577)

The conspiracy nuts will say the reflector on the moon just proves there is a man made object on the moon, it doesn't prove it was actually physically placed there by a person. It could have been dropped on the moon by an unmanned rocket, for example.

Re:An interesting PR problem (3, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722651)

I'm still wondering what the conspiracy theorists say about the retroreflector experiments that have been conducted daily since Apollo 11.

"The lasers are bouncing off crystal formations... duh!"

The laser retroreflector defense will only work if you have proof that there was no retroreflection happening BEFORE Apollo 11. Since you can't prove that, you can't prove that the retroreflection that's happening now is of man-made origin. In short, it's only circumstancial evidence.

Re:An interesting PR problem (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722927)

The Soviets also put retroreflectors on the moon. Remind me, did they do it with a manned mission?

Re:An interesting PR problem (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722583)

Far too much fun to give up the conspiracy theory, regardless if you believe it or not.
Want to see a techie get his panties in a bunch? Tell him the moon landing was a hoax.

Re:An interesting PR problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723303)

True... So we will have to continue linking to the mythbusters episode until they shut up

(they won't, of course)

All the mythbusters episode did was prove how easy it was two guys with a bit of papier mache and a shed can mock up an authentic moon landing.

Re:An interesting PR problem (1)

leetrout (855221) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722275)

The AP reporter covering this also made that statement. The rep from Lowry Digital emphasized that they are merely a restoration house. Of course anyone who works with post production knows that all that software is like photoshop for video and they could do effects with it. But they assured us that they are working closely with NASA to 'not fix too much'.

Re:An interesting PR problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722513)

We all know is fake. But at least they can now make it more fun. Or perhaps even include one of MJ moon walks! :)

Re:An interesting PR problem (1)

BobNET (119675) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722667)

Sure you do: just go back to recordings made before these were remastered. (Same thing we do with Star Wars, I guess.)

Although I suppose the conspiracy nuts could always claim that earlier recordings were modified after-the-fact by NASA using the same sort of ray that is neutralized by tinfoil hats...

Re:An interesting PR problem (1)

jd (1658) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723923)

There are no good originals. That's the point. The originals are missing, believed wiped. This is stuff telerecorded off of a TV set with far too much dirt on the image.

You also need to remember that early recordings tend to get gummy. The way this is fixed is to bake the tape. You then get ONE shot at recovering the data from it, after that the tape is destroyed. I don't know if they needed to bake the masters, the article doesn't say. If they did, though, then there is nothing you can go back to.

Finally, there's the question of where the new data comes from. Is it data on the recording that is simply too faint to see, or is it data interpolated from quality photographs? Or, yet again, data that the studio THINKS should be there?

leetrout's comment that the studio was working with NASA "not to fix too much" indicates that not all of the data is original from the recording, but may be from other sources. If everything were original from the recording, then "fixing too much" would be impossible and NASA would not be watching over them.

Restoration work is extremely valuable, don't get me wrong, but it's extremely hard to do safely when it comes to rare, historic material. Too easy to accidentally (or deliberately) modify the record. It requires care and integrity - precisely the qualities we are forever accusing Hollywood of not having (including on the Tolkien story from earlier).

Re:An interesting PR problem (2, Informative)

lukpac (66596) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724063)

You also need to remember that early recordings tend to get gummy. The way this is fixed is to bake the tape. You then get ONE shot at recovering the data from it, after that the tape is destroyed. I don't know if they needed to bake the masters, the article doesn't say. If they did, though, then there is nothing you can go back to.

No, that isn't true at all. First off, tapes from 1969 shouldn't need to be baked. It was when formulations changed in the mid '70s that it became a problem. I've heard that tapes from the early '50s usually play without any problems. Second, baking tapes doesn't destroy them. While there are apparently arguments [wikipedia.org] that baking degrades the tape somewhat, some audio engineers have indicated they've baked tapes over and over to no ill effect. It *is* true, however, that baking only buys you so much time before you have to bake again. Not a huge problem, though.

Re:An interesting PR problem (1)

yamfry (1533879) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722695)

Even if the tapes were real, you have no way of knowing if the restored information is genuine or inserted.

Re:An interesting PR problem (2, Funny)

pbhj (607776) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723483)

Having a Hollywood studio "restore" the footage is going to provide wonderful ammunition for the conspiracy nuts, as they now get to claim that even if the tapes were real, you have no way of knowing if the restored information is genuine or inserted.

The iPhone Armstrong uses to communicate with Collins (pictured drinking new Pepsi, wearing a Snorg-tee whilst playing on his DS), that's inserted ...

Nasa site? (2, Interesting)

toxygen01 (901511) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722155)

Reminds me of http://wechoosethemoon.org/ [wechoosethemoon.org] which was quite busy today. wayback machine to realtime proceeding of apollo 11 mission

Re:Nasa site? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722267)

heh, I did that with space simulator in the 90s. And then did one to mars.
Turns out, it's boring.

NASA or the BBC? (5, Informative)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722169)

The BBC "recycled" tapes in the '70s and '80s, losing many episodes of well-known programs forever *coughdrwhoandmanyothers*.

Re:NASA or the BBC? (0, Offtopic)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723019)

I, Claudius has survived, and that's important. :)

Re:NASA or the BBC? (2, Funny)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724395)

Mod p-p-parent u-u-u-u-u-u-p

Fifth-rate consolation prize (5, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723609)

The BBC "recycled" tapes in the '70s and '80s, losing many episodes of well-known programs forever *coughdrwhoandmanyothers*.

Much as the BBC should be smacked about with a blunt instrument for wiping, they at least have the defence that these were low-budget productions that were seen as ephemeral in nature at the time and of no obvious use. (Legal agreements meant that they couldn't be retransmitted, and there wasn't a home video market as such).

NASA spent billions (in *60s money*) getting the first human being to walk on the moon- which would have been an obviously massive historical event even before it happened- yet thanks to some beancounting jobsworths and bureaucrats, rather than being treated as a valuable historical document and archived as they should have been, the high-quality originals have been lost.

This both defies belief and is all too believable; but that doesn't make it any less of a disgrace.

After initial jubilation, I was right to be sceptical about that the Sunday Express's accuracy [slashdot.org] (they were the ones who broke the- incorrect- story that the original tapes had been found).

Anyway, getting this digitally tarted-up version of the existing footage instead is a $50 consolation prize after being incorrectly told that you'd won a million on the lottery. Even if the image quality is good, the reprocessed footage still likely won't look as good as the original slow scan would have, and it certainly won't have the same veracity.

And that's the most important thing. They lost the damn originals, and regardless of how good the remasters *look*, they're not the damn originals.

You'll excuse me if I don't feel like breaking out the party poppers at NASA's DVD-age PR fluff hyping the remastering of their crappy fourth-generation footage as a minor success instead of the non-reversal of a massive loss of historical material.

Incredible (4, Insightful)

BigJClark (1226554) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722245)


Its incredible to me that NASA wouldn't think far enough ahead to save these tapes for posterity's sake.

Incredible. One of the defining moments in our history, and they didn't think to hold onto it? The whole goal was to only shoot for live feed?

Re:Incredible (1)

leetrout (855221) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722371)

Dick Natger from Goddard representing NASA said that most of the previous video footage was stored on video tapes, not telemetry tapes, and that yes it was a shame no one made any effort to note which tapes had the footage, but it was only 1 track on a 14 track tape that no one would normally expect to have video on anyway.

Re:Incredible (5, Funny)

sjfoland (1565277) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722475)

I would have liked the restored versions so much better if they hadn't replaced Neil Armstrong with Hayden Christiansen.

Re:Incredible (2, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722705)

I would have liked the restored versions so much better if they hadn't replaced Neil Armstrong with Hayden Christiansen.

Yeah! And Neil shot first!

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722823)

Hayden was OK but NASA crossed the line when Buzz Aldrin was replaced by Katee Sackhoff.

Re:Incredible (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723045)

Will we also have the lunar module blasting off the surface under fire from a Cylon mothership?

Re:Incredible (3, Funny)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723305)

Basestar.

I am so ashamed of you.

Re:Incredible (2, Interesting)

ozbird (127571) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723525)

Given Hollywood's lack of original material of late, it wouldn't surprise me if they do a remake of the Apollo 11 landing.

Re:Incredible (1)

TheoMurpse (729043) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724043)

THAT'S ONE SMALL step......FOR MAAANNN

Re:Incredible (4, Insightful)

jbarr (2233) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722515)

While it does seem incredible today, those were very, very different times.

People were far more concerned and enamored with "seeing" an event than how they might see it again. Heck, most people didn't even have colored TVs at that time, and because so much was live broadcast, if you wanted to see something like the moon landing, you planned for it.

Gone are the days of just savoring the moment and keeping the memory alive.

Re:Incredible (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722539)

>While it does seem incredible today, those were very, very different times.

I know lots of photographers who have negative files from those same times.

Plenty of things from those "very, very different times" were meticulously preserved.

The single most important event in human history, though, not so.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722757)

I would put the discovery of the new world or the realization that the Earth orbits the sun as far higher on the list of important events in human history than the moon landing. Was it a great achievement? Yes. I do not think it cracks the top ten though. If you restrict your options to those events where film was an option, maybe it does. I'd still put V-E and V-J days ahead, as well as the bombing of Hiroshima. The Berlin Wall falling would also probably be ahead of it. The moon landing would rate higher than the Fall of Saigon and numerous other geopolitical events, but to claim it is the single most important event in human history is a bit of an exaggeration.

Re:Incredible (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723037)

Your terracentric bias is patently obvious. Apolo 11 was the first time man stepped outside this planet. If our species survives a 100,000 years, that step would still be talked about like you terracentric bigots talk about Columbus circa 1492. Fall of Saigon, V-E , V-J days... come on minor people bickering about small pieces of land on a small planet orbiting a medium sized middle aged star. Nothing great.

But for us, with stars in our eyes, Appolo 11 was THE biggest physical achievement of Homo sapiens, till date. Intellectually I would rate Newton/Darwin/Einstein as the zenith, so far.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28724147)

The Berlin Wall falling would also probably be ahead of it.

Huh? What do you think was so amazing about the Berlin Wall falling that means it outranks the damn moon landings? It wasn't the first Communist country to fall, it wasn't the last, and there was no major ground shift in the socio-political landscape to cause it fall. The collapse of the GDR was inevitable by the mid 80's and allowed to happen by the USSR who had bigger things to worry about. East German citizens were already pouring out of the country via. Hungary in any case: opening the checkpoints was an obvious thing to do at that point.

Re:Incredible (5, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722941)

Remember everything that was meticulously preserved from those days were on non-erasable, non-rewritable medium. Magnetic tapes that could be erased and reused were pretty new, and practices for backing important data for posterity, for ever etc were not well thought out. I am sure NASA has meticulously archived and stored the blueprints of Saturn V rockets and wiring diagrams of command modules and such things printed on paper.

On a related note people restoring and cleaning and analyzing old masters and paintings by students of old masters find they were recycling the canvases. Many layers of paintings, some by great old masters, are washed over and painted again.

philosophical rant

Strange, when an object is too close to you in space, it appears bigger than same size object at a distance. But when it is very close to you in time, we don't think it is any big deal. Only later we realize how big whatever that thing was.

/philosophical rant

Re:Incredible (3, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724007)

people restoring and cleaning and analyzing old masters and paintings by students of old masters find they were recycling the canvases. Many layers of paintings, some by great old masters, are washed over and painted again.

They probably didn't know they'd be considered *quite* as important as they are today (very high, even if one doesn't consider the obscene millions some paintings sell for as their true "worth".)

The major historical nature of the moon landings would have been glaringly obvious even before they happened.

It was The. First. Damn. Man. On. The. Moon.

I think you're cutting NASA way too much slack- and patronising the people of 40 years ago too much. Old 60s episodes of Doctor Who- bad loss in retrospect, but *almost* understandable in the context of the time (ephemeral, low budget, non-established medium, not reusable).

First man to ever land on the moon- that's blatantly important by itself. The fact they spent billions of dollars to get there you'd think was an added impetus. 40 years doesn't make *that* much difference to people's judgement.

Even if the cost of storing the footage was relatively high, it would have been trivial in comparison with what NASA spent on the programme overall. And even more trivial given its priceless historical and non-repeatable nature.

colored TVs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723317)

THAT'S RACIST.

Re:Incredible (0)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723445)

Heck, most people didn't even have colored TVs at that time

The modern politically correct term is "African American" TVs I believe.

Re:Incredible (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724569)

Apollo-era reference. The young'ns might not even know what you are referring to if they slept through the movie version of To Kill a Mockingbird at school.

I guess I did better than NASA. I _still_ have a few home-developed B&W photos of the landing I took of the B&W TV my parents got me for my bedroom. Immensely disappointing.

Re:Incredible (2, Funny)

basementman (1475159) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722549)

They just assumed someone would DVR it and upload it to be torrented by the masses. As government produced material I assume it would be in the public domain as well.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723003)

I have a feeling they had no value, as there was no mission to the actual moon. Only a mission to Arizona or some such. They can always go reshoot that stuff.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723009)

At the time they probably thought we would be colonizing Mars by now.

Re:Incredible (2, Informative)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723907)

I don't think it is "incredible" in the sense of "impossible to believe". It's all to easy to believe.

You see the people of the US (as a whole) lost interest in the whole thing once we'd done the Moon once or twice. NASA didn't even have the money to buy mag tapes for the satellite data they were collecting, which anybody with half a brain would see is worthwhile once you'd went through the trouble of putting a satellite up there. Now how many people would understand that cataloging conserving digital media was something that took money? Back in the 80's? The 70s?

It takes a great deal of effort to turn a book into a palimpsest. So reasoning from what people knew about information storage, the attitude would be that it'd take some effort to lose this data. But overwriting a mag tape is as easy as writing it in the first place.

This is just the sort of thing that in the late 60s might have overlooked. And then, and then, one of the most powerful of human cognitive bugs does the rest. It is the dog that does not bark in the night. Since anybody could see this sort of thing ought to have been preserved, it is but a short leap to the assumption that somebody must have done it. There are two ways such an oversight can be caught. The first would be that somebody decides they wanted this information and go looking for it. The second is somebody thinks to check that what seems plainly obvious to do had in fact been done. Being something of a fan of the last approach, I can tell you that advocating for it, especially if it costs money, is not something that makes you popular with your boss.

It's on a shelf (5, Funny)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722251)

Right next to the tape with Nixon's 18.5 minutes.

Re:It's on a shelf (1)

Dr_Ken (1163339) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722297)

But you have to admit this does look fishy though, right? That's why these conspiracy theories flourish.

Re:It's on a shelf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722385)

We salute you! To victory. Zig Heil!
Young gay Jewish Nazis for Christ minority Slashdot splinter group

Re:It's on a shelf (2, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723077)

Move your Zig to Heil. Uhm, I meant Hell. (For greater justice!)

Pink Floyd (3, Interesting)

escay (923320) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722283)

wasn't some of the lost footage recovered from tapes that Pink Floyd had? I remember a news article (last year?) about some tapes Pink Floyd got from NASA to use in some music videos, which they fished out for NASA from their archives when they heard the originals were lost.

Re:Pink Floyd (4, Informative)

escay (923320) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722389)

on second thought, let me just google and post a link to the article. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/one-small-step/2006/08/19/1155408073519.html [smh.com.au]

ah, times when i wish /. had an Edit Comment option. or something like google's goggles.

Re:Pink Floyd (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722531)

Well, it's a good thing it didn't end up in the hands of some acid-tripping UK rock band or their producers...sheesh....oh, wait...

Re:Pink Floyd (2, Insightful)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723361)

Are you kidding? Can you imagine how that would be abused? Answer: HILARIOUSLY.

1)Post Epic Troll.
2)Let a few responses build up.
3)Replace Epic Troll with deeply insightful post.
4)
5)Profit

Re:Pink Floyd (2, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724235)

ah, times when i wish /. had an Edit Comment option. or something like google's goggles.

The goggles... they do NOTHING!

Lost? Sure... (2, Funny)

sjfoland (1565277) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722321)

They just threw out the bits where you could see the boom mic.

Re:Lost? Sure... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722777)

I agree. Even with 50 years of work, we still can't get it right. This was probably well beyond our capability for this time period. They faked it, then realized that people might be upset when they found out their government lied straight to their face for decades. Hmm what to do? "Lose" the originals, and Re-master them to further extend the propaganda and eliminate those pesky discrepancies.

Re:Lost? Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28723105)

also, where are the telemetry data? Out back of the garage?

I thought they were found... (2, Insightful)

warmgun (669556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722441)

A story [slashdot.org] appeared on /. 3 days ago that they were found. WTF? Thanks for getting our hopes up. :(

Re:I thought they were found... (1)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722661)

I was just thinking the same thing.. I mean it isn't as if this is the first time slashdot has ever contradicted itself, but this is s strange one!

Re:I thought they were found... (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722889)

And a few weeks before that, speculation that they hadn't actually been found! And a week before that, rumour that they had been found!

A few weeks from now, someone will "discover" the actual tapes.

And a week after that, they will discover they are the actual tapes, but already overwritten with other stuff.

Hey, do you like Ping Pong? It's fun. :D

Re:I thought they were found... (2, Interesting)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722893)

btw I just noticed that link is to THIS page not the other story you wanted http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/13/2342220/NASA-Has-the-Lost-Tapes [slashdot.org]

Re:I thought they were found... (1)

warmgun (669556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723081)

Whoops, my bad.

I love the remaster! (2, Funny)

timothy (36799) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722527)

the Neil Armstrong ADR is especially good, given the problems with the first version.

"Hey folks, Neal 'Moonman' Armstrong here -- I can say Moonman now, can't I! -- reporting live, that's LIVE LIVE LIVE from the surface of the mooooooooon, that's right, the one, the only, the biggest satellite in orbit around the Earth you all know and love, and lemme tell ya, folks, the Earth is looking pretty damn good from here, it's a real crackerjack experience, even in this helluva suit, to be up here, and waving down there at all you fine listeners. Station break and ID comin' up, but I'll be right back atcha with more moon-media-madness, so stay tuned!"

I'm pretty sure that's William H. Macy, though the alternative sound tracks and director's cut are good, too. Gary Sinese doing his "perpetual typecast criminal conspirator on the moon" is pretty good, too, and I will admit the Reese Witherspoon version makes those space suits suddenly look pretty sexy. The Nick Cage one is cool, too, sort of a National Treasure reprise.

timothy

What the motherfuck! (0, Troll)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722671)

[the] original slow scan footage has been lost forever as the tapes were likely recycled by the mid '80s.

Ok so what you're telling me is, the most important event in the history of the human race was taped over?

How convenient. I want to see recent telescope pictures of the moon showing the rovers and the flag.

Re:What the motherfuck! (1)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722729)

Ok so what you're telling me is, the most important event in the history of the human race was taped over?

Well if it was to tape the Superbowl then I don't see the problem.

Re:What the motherfuck! (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723689)

LoL. The Telescopes we've built don't have the resolution to see the rovers and/or the flag.

We can show you pics of what we believe to be the lunar landing module, only because its a longer shadow then most of the craters you would expect.

DUH (-1, Troll)

theuhstuf (1153693) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722803)

This is just more proof that NASA is only about money and couldn't care less about anything else.

Re:DUH (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722965)

Now, now, that's not true. You could say that a crack whore is all about giving bareback blowjobs to playas, but that's just the public facing activity to fund the underlying goal.

Missing Two Hours of Footage (2, Informative)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722817)

Unfortunately, no one knows where those tapes of approximately two hours of footage are located.

Anyone who has seen Contact knows exactly what happened.

Re:Missing Two Hours of Footage (3, Funny)

machine321 (458769) | more than 5 years ago | (#28724359)

Yeah, I'll never get those two hours back.

So? (1)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722945)

Not a big deal- they can just record them again. I'm sure CGI can fix the problem of the astronauts being slightly older this time.

Borning - Cancel program & delete the tapes (1)

cockpitcomp (1575439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28722951)

The moon must be a boring place to cancel the final missions after the rockets were built, delete the tapes and not even think of going back for 40 years. It's only interesting again as a jumping off point for Mars and maybe the H3 stuff.

We are ready to junk the ISS and are just finishing it now.

Hubble had enough bling-bling to force NASA to get more use out of it.

Mars landers nearly lost funding for the team that drives them around after the official 90 day mission.

I bet we forget about the manned Mars mission 2 months after launch.

Personally, I would rather the funding go to hundreds of unmanned probes and actually learn something rather than spend it all on a pie in the sky manned mission that already seems to lack enough interest to trigger significant funding.

How in the hell did they tape over them? Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28722983)

"oh it is just the moon tapes... no one will want them"

Doubtful

So a collection of acid heads and stoners could tape and preserve thousands of Grateful Dead shows.. all while stoned off of their asses... and then manage to keep and distribute the tapes they made for 30 years ( in good quality mind ya), whilst NASA spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the Apollo program and then LOST and/or RECYCLED the tapes?

Bullshit. This doesn't add up, and I am a space junkie.

There is no way that the tapes were lost by accident....

NASA needs Dead Tapers... :P (1)

I_Can't_Fly (1442225) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723193)

So a generation of acid heads, and stoners can record and preserve thousands of Grateful Dead concerts all why moderately crazed on mind altering drugs, while NASA spent hundreds of millions on the Apollo Program only to record over them due to a "tape shortage" ? What doesn't add up here? Maybe Nasa should put dead heads in charge of space exploration. At least that way things will be preserved correctly. Until that happens count me in as one of the fools that think the only way the real tapes were destroyed was if they were destroyed on purpose.

NASA -2

I bet some collector has them (1)

democrates (1055572) | more than 5 years ago | (#28723671)

When something of high value goes missing it's usually due to theft rather than incompetence.

No Surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28724441)

Look - they have a 2020 timetable to go back. It seems as if they have some technical hurdles to surpass ... as if they had never gone to the moon before.

Had the original tapes been found, they would have been subject to analysis. This "loss" was to be expected under the circumstances.

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