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Diablo 2 Finally Hits Shelves

CmdrTaco posted more than 14 years ago | from the gimme-some-of-that-diablo-luvin dept.

Games 207

Diablo 2 arrived at Babbages today. CowboyNeal picked up our copies this morning. I'm a level 10 Sorceress named CmdrTaco, so if you see me, give me cool amulets or something. They pre-ordered 1.5 million copies... 1.5 million sick days are expected to be called in tomorrow as 1.5 million users sit and home and swear that Blizzard's servers keep crashing. So far its been a lot of fun (excluding the stability problems: we were about to open the door to the boss that concludes act I when the servers melted down hard core). Update: 06/30 01:11 PM by CT : Pater & I are hanging out by the rogue encampment waypoint in a game named 'Slashdot' on USEast. We're just idling, but feel free to deposit tips at our feet so that we can be more 31337 ;) We beat Act I already: this is a damn addictive game.

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When will EB restock? (2)

antdude (79039) | more than 14 years ago | (#967099)

Anyone how often will EB stores restock D2 orders? I was unable to get it from three local EB stores. :( Does Best Buys and CompUSA (too expensive) have them yet?

8 players. (1)

veldrane (70385) | more than 14 years ago | (#967100)

Only 8 players per session as far as I know...

-Veldrane

Re:Whee... (1)

gedanken (24390) | more than 14 years ago | (#967105)

Diablo was originally based on nethack, the designers have admitted this.

so here is a new linux version of that, Gnomehack:

http://www.xmission.com/~andersen/erik/gnomehack /gnomehack.html

Re: When will EB restock? (2)

antdude (79039) | more than 14 years ago | (#967107)

I just found out EB stores will restock at around noon. I hope so! Must get!

Re:No thanks, I'll stick to Vampire (1)

Harlequin (11000) | more than 14 years ago | (#967109)

I agree. I think vampire has the opportunity (with all the java scripting) to be very cool. I've done a couple NPC re-skins so far, but I haven't had time (damn work) to get into changing game mechanics and disciplines.

BTW, currently (6:50PM PST) the highest bid on a ebay collectors edition Diablo 2 is $99. Someone put one up for $250 but noone's buying. Personally, I think it's silly to spend an extra $50 on the "collector's edition". Sure, I bought the collector's Vampire: tM-R, but it was only like $8 more for the pre-order.

If you can't get it in the store, just wait, they'll make more :). I may pick it up off the cheap rack, but probably not, I didn't think Diablo 1 was all that great (and the beta didn't convince me otherwise about Diablo 2).

Why, Blizzard, why? (2)

matt1318 (125798) | more than 14 years ago | (#967111)

Ugh! Warcraft 1, and 2. Starcraft. Diablo. Now D2. When will Blizzard finally wake up and push for a simultaneous Mac/Windows release date? It used to be that they'd use the Mac version as a little extra profit boost after the fact, but now with the advent of the iMac and the crushingly fast G4, why can't Blizzard acknowledge the Mac as a legitimate gaming platform? Don't give me the FUD about Windows' user base, the Mac user base right now on June 29, 2000 is such that Blizzard could stand to make a nice profit given the obvious popularity of the windows stress test. if they had really wanted to win the hearts of all the gamers out there, they would have gotten in bed with Loki way back to get this thing out for Windows, Mac, and Linux all at once. I hereby pledge undying loyalty to any game company that can accomplish that.

Re:if only... (1)

webrunner (108849) | more than 14 years ago | (#967113)

A good portion of the stuff is done server side now, so it's much much much harder, if not impossible to use a trainer of any use,.
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Oh my god, Bear is driving! How can this be?

Someone's not been doing their GiS homework. (4)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 14 years ago | (#967120)

" I'm a level 10 Sorceress named CmdrTaco"

Now, we all know that some of the beta testers were supposed to get "CmdrTaco," "CmdrTac0," and all other variations on the spelling so that our good friend, Rob Malda, would have to register as George Washington an yet another online service.

Tsk!
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The Patch... (5)

Danse (1026) | more than 14 years ago | (#967121)

Apparently the patch is rather critical as it fixes several serious (i.e. they'll crash your box) bugs that must have somehow sneaked past the QA team. This is according to Computer Games Online [cdmag.com] . They have a short article on "first impressions" of the game in the "Quick Takes" section today.

Re:Sorceress? (1)

Darth (29071) | more than 14 years ago | (#967122)

It is not a MMORPG.

if it holds true to the multiplayer stress test, the max number of characters in a world at a time is 5 (i think. i'm not at home so i cant check).

anyway....this is not competing with UO, Everquest, AC, etc.

it's closer to competing with Neverwinter Nights and Vampire.

What's that? The wind... (1)

Cabana (206257) | more than 14 years ago | (#967123)

I was wondering by the office was so empty today...and now I know.

Re:if only... (1)

RAruler (11862) | more than 14 years ago | (#967124)

VMWARE, if you can deal with the speed decreases

Also in today: Icewind Dale, by Interplay/Bioware (2)

MattW (97290) | more than 14 years ago | (#967125)

From Interplay [interplay.com] and their studio, Black Isle, with an engine from Bioware [bioware.com] , comes Icewind Dale [interplay.com] , the latest AD&D RPG, a sort of follow up to Baldur's Gate and Tales of the Sword Coast (the expansion pack).

Page to check out. (1)

Lord Muad'Dib (110934) | more than 14 years ago | (#967126)

If you want info on Diablo II mechanics, go visit www.diabloii.net. Enjoy "May the force be with you Luke!"

Re:Like Diablo 1 (1)

polin8 (170866) | more than 14 years ago | (#967127)

I'm sure they are, expansion release date #1 is set for 7/00 Postponed release #1 is set for 1/01 Postponed release #1 is set for 10/01 Postponed release #1 is set for 5/02 ... should see an expansion by the next presidential election.

if only... (1)

KarmaHo (197482) | more than 14 years ago | (#967135)

...they've removed the ability to cheat like one could in Diablo I. Then I might just have to play this beast.

Er, what is diablo 2? (1)

maugt (3520) | more than 14 years ago | (#967138)

You don't say and there's no link.... we're not all psychic you know.

Re:if only... (2)

Sludge (1234) | more than 14 years ago | (#967143)

It's a tossup for me: do I wait to see if the expoits continue in the sequel, or do I rush out and buy it so I can play before the cheats come out?

Oh what, Windows only, you say? Cough. I don't pay money to reboot.

Where is everyone? (1)

Vishak (9977) | more than 14 years ago | (#967144)

I think everyone rushed to a computer store when they saw this article. All I see are trolls replying.

Re:Er, what is diablo 2? (3)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#967146)

A kick ass multiplayer video game, the sucessor to Diablo.. Basically you run around in a dungeon trying to kill "Diablo"s current incarnation.. The graphics were (are?) a bit cheesy, reminding me of Fallout2. But the orig rocked my ass off, and this one will too! Get yerself a copy and enjoy calling in sick fer the next three days!!

The Patch (was Re:URLs) (1)

stickyc (38756) | more than 14 years ago | (#967147)

It's worth noting that the patch came out several days ago. I can't think of another time when the patch was actually released ahead of the project (in the games biz, anyhow). What does that say about game S/W development?

CmdrTaco?? (2)

Spazmoid (75087) | more than 14 years ago | (#967148)

I always new you had that crossdressing side! When are we gonna hook up?
I could see you and hemos in sequined dresses at the next Linux Expo!
#include caffiene.c

Some merchant I am... :) (1)

babbage (61057) | more than 14 years ago | (#967149)

"...Diablo 2 arrived at Babbages today..."

...and I don't even like computer games, aside from maybe Tetris or Freecell or Dope Wars, but hey whatever you kids wanna buy, I'll sell it to ya! hahaha



Fry's has/had it.. for those on the west coast. (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 14 years ago | (#967150)

Or, at least, it was there when I was picking up a few new hubs for the suits around lunch time. ;) They (they being the store I went to in Sunnyvale) had a fairly large display filled with the game, so if you get there soon enough after work closes this evening, you can prolly get lucky. Game *was* going fast, though, so unless you got lucky, it's prolly too late.

Releases (1)

veldrane (70385) | more than 14 years ago | (#967151)

Not to knock the Prey team but I thought I heard once that the sequel to Prey was released before the original (which isn't out yet, is it?)

Could someone clarify that for me?

-Vel

Re:Availability (2)

Hackboy (5933) | more than 14 years ago | (#967152)

How likely is it that people who didn't preorder will get a copy? Should I even bother to try yet, or should I wait for the next pressing or what ever of CD's?

My roommate ran over to CompUSA (Austin, TX) and picked up two copies earlier this afternoon. He said that they had plenty left. YMMV

Re:Availability (1)

sik puppy (136743) | more than 14 years ago | (#967153)

sure - the house of evil -aka fry's- got the regular edition on the shelves mid day today

if you want one of the 70000 collectors editions, i beleive that they were all presold - picked mine up yesterday. i hear its going for $100+ over cost on ebay already.

anyway, you probably ought to pick up your phone book and call first, unless you are just looking for an excuse to go to the store anyway.

good luck

Diablo III (1)

Tulsa T Nawi (190604) | more than 14 years ago | (#967154)

How much you want to bet we wont see a Diablo III till 2010?

Diablo II is mindless (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#967169)

Diablo II is a boring, primitive and crude hack of an online game. There are hundreds of MUDs with more advanced gameplay 5 years ago then Diablo II/2 has after 4 years of development. I would rather be playing a text based MUD then diablo II (which is in 640x480). Atleast it would be challenging and stimulating.

These dumbed down types of games will continue to persist due to the majority of people never having the opportunity to play a challenging online RPG. Let's face it, Diablo II is nothing but a competition of collecting the best equip and most experience. And that is determined by how much time you spend mind numbingly attacking the same monsters over and over again.

Don't waste your time playing Diablo II/2.


Kevin Landstrop Senior Blizzard Marketing Director

Get that patch! (4)

bswick (29721) | more than 14 years ago | (#967170)

Apparently the patch can, in some cases, ruin your single player save game. Patch early.

Re:URLs (1)

M$ Mole (158889) | more than 14 years ago | (#967171)

A note on the patch, it has been reported that it may delete your single-player characters when you apply it. GO HERE [zdnet.com] for the story on the patch. I've heard the problem is intermittent...and besides...who plays Diablo in SP anyway?

Re:The Patch (was Re:URLs) (1)

SEAL (88488) | more than 14 years ago | (#967172)

There's usually a couple week span between the time a game is "done" internally, and the time it hits store shelves.

All this says, is that Blizzard was pressed to ship this thing, but they decided to take advantage of those extra couple weeks. You try not to do that, but it's sort of like a little extra insurance (to help avoid situations like Ultima 9)...

Re:The Patch (was Re:URLs) (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 14 years ago | (#967173)

Wheel of Time had the patch out first as well

The *real* reason (2)

TrumpetPower! (190615) | more than 14 years ago | (#967174)

Aha! Now we know the real reason Slashdot has been so flaky the past day or so....

b7

Re:Only Collector's Edition for me. (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 14 years ago | (#967175)

I wasted four good days trying to call in (since you couldn't order it online) to their sales dept and I never got any further than a busy signal. A least they could have taken online pre-orders...this isn't 1996 after all.

Huh? I had mine preordered for months (ebworld)

Macintosh Release (2)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 14 years ago | (#967176)

Oh no! You mean I have to wait until Q3 to get my copy? Everyone's going to be high-level by then. (Even worse, they might get tired of the game.)

Hopefully the insanity will have died down in time for the Macintosh release.

It would be nice if companies actually started releasing Mac and PC versions simultaneously. I guess that would be too much to ask though, right? Oh well, back to my Alpha Centauri.

Re:Diablo II is mindless (1)

jidar (83795) | more than 14 years ago | (#967177)

yeah yeah.. blah blah blah...

translation: Im an old fuddy duddy.

Re:if only... (1)

einstein (10761) | more than 14 years ago | (#967195)

That was a big issue when they were developing the game. they fixed it by storing your character information on the battle.net server, so no more duping or hacking of your inventory. hopefully they fixed it. I never ran into anyone during the beta who has cheating, (to my knowledge anyway :)

Re:if only... (1)

SEAL (88488) | more than 14 years ago | (#967196)

I don't think anyone ever managed to decrypt the character files in Diablo 1. In-memory editors were used to hack the characters while you were playing the game.

Re:Whee... (1)

jidar (83795) | more than 14 years ago | (#967197)

In case you haven't noticed, tons of people start big ambititous software products in Linux, but nobody follows through. I frequent linuxgames.com and happypenguin.com but I'm sick and tired of reading about this or that new project when 90% of them go unfinished. I just wish someone would do a -mildy- ambitious game and finish it, something along the lines of dragonwarrior 1 for the nes or something...

Re:Games are for losers (1)

DustyHodges (174738) | more than 14 years ago | (#967198)

Actually, as one of the beta stress testers, I can tell you it IS a signifigantly different game. It's a MUCH larger world, it has 3 new character classes, and it actually has a plot, with a backstory and the whole nine yards.

All in all, Diablo II is a far superior game to the original, in graphics, sound, plot, playability, lack of cheats, and a whole slew of new abilities. I don't really remember alot of people complaining about Quake III because it was the same game as DOOM...

Re:Second post (1)

mllenerd (196593) | more than 14 years ago | (#967199)

Grr! Stupid lameness filters.

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Re:if only... (2)

Sludge (1234) | more than 14 years ago | (#967200)

There's a bit of a political issue. I'm only interested in supporting games that run under Linux with my hard earned dollar. This way, I can play Linux games in the future. This is common sense and logical in theory, but in reality, it takes some actual willpower.

I will warez and borrow Windows-only games, and purchase them when they become available under Linux.

Re:if only... (1)

Pemdas (33265) | more than 14 years ago | (#967201)

decode the file format then hack your char to your heart's content" like in Diablo 1.

Actually, I never saw a hack for the file format for Diablo 1. All the hacks I saw dealt with the character information after it was loaded into memory, where it was stored, presumably, in an unencrypted state.

Did anyone else ever see a true file hack? My impression was that Blizzard did a pretty good job of sercuring the char files, unfortunately, the whole chain-weak-link thing is ESPECIALLY true with security.

Re:The Patch... (2)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 14 years ago | (#967202)

The Software, Etc. where I picked my game up today (Cedar Falls, Iowa) opened my box in front of me, as they did everyone else's.

I think what I would do in that situation is say:

"You know, I've decided I don't accept the license for this software, so I want to return it since I haven't opened it."

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Re:Where is everyone? (1)

mllenerd (196593) | more than 14 years ago | (#967203)

I will cross oceans of time to find you....

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Re:So, why is CmdrTaco playing a sorceress? (2)

kaphka (50736) | more than 14 years ago | (#967204)

- He wants horny guys to give him free stuff.
You know what really pisses me off about people who do that? It works. At least, it works in EverQuest... Diablo 2's graphics might be too primitive to trigger those protective instincts.

I've wasted so much time and money helping out naked wood elves. I know they're all played by creepy middle-aged men, but... they're just so cute!

Re:So, why is CmdrTaco playing a sorceress? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#967205)

The reason he chose this character is for the spell casting abilities of the Sorceress over other characters. There is no male sorcerer to choose, unless you count the necromancer. You should really check out this guide for characters (anyone who is playing), but be forewarned, this is based around the beta, so it may have changed for the normal game:

Diablo2 Character Guide [galactus.org]

According to this, I'd choose the Sorceress for her skills and for her ass. Whoops.

What about support for Windows NT 4.0? (1)

martinde (137088) | more than 14 years ago | (#967206)

One thing I couldn't find on the web pages is if there's 3d support in Windows NT. Any comments?

Doesn't work with Kenwood drives... (2)

Sethb (9355) | more than 14 years ago | (#967207)

If you look on the little yellow troubleshooting note that came with the game. It says "Some Kenwood drives may have problems, check out http://www.blizzard.com/support/ for the solution"

Guess who has one of those Kenwood drives? Guess who can't install the game? There's no info there pertaining to the problem, and an e-mail to their tech support 4 hours ago hasn't produced a response yet.

Meanwhile, I'm now installing the game from my CD-RW drive. It only writes at 2X, I'm hoping it reads faster than that, or that the full install doesn't use the CD much.

If all else fails, I'm going to have to yank my Kenwood 52X and put in a DVD-ROM drive I brought home from work. I was a closed beta tester for this game, and I had the same problem then. Why didn't Blizzard fix this? No other CD has problems with my drive.
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Here we go again.... (2)

HomerJ (11142) | more than 14 years ago | (#967223)

Two points I want to make.

1) There is a pretty good majority that want Windows only games in their own catagory. Windows only games are something that's mentioned alot and there should be it's own icon. Picture of a Sidewinder maybe, or that "pc cd-rom" symbol that is on Windows game packaging. Quake has it's own section, other specialized things have their own. The same should hold true for Windows only games such as Diablo 2.

2) Nice to hear the vast majority of the Slashdot crowd supporting Windows only games. What better way to show that you want Linux ports of games then ot rush out and get Windows games the day they come out.

I respect that people run Windows and they buy games for their platform. But most of us run linux, FreeBSD, etc. and want games for OUR os. But most don't back up our words with our pocket books and rush out and buy games on the first day that will never see the light of day on anything else but Windows.

Do I have "sour grapes" over what games are avaliable for Linux over Windows? No. I'm happy with Sim City 3k Unlimted, Solider of Fortune, Quake 3, Unreal Tourney, and the load of other fine games that will apear on shelves for linux this year. These are the games that will get my gaming dollars.

All those that support Windows gaming will get a reward. It will be more Windows games. My reward for supporting Linux games is that there will be many ohter Linux games to purchase. Most of the slashdot readership WANTS more linux ports of games. Show that support by not buying Windows only games, and spend it on a game for your platform.

Re:The Patch... (3)

Sethb (9355) | more than 14 years ago | (#967224)

The Software, Etc. where I picked my game up today (Cedar Falls, Iowa) opened my box in front of me, as they did everyone else's. Apparently they received several copies that only had two of the three CD's inside. They were missing the Cinematics disc. Thankfully, my copy had all three CD's. Did anyone else experience this, or are the guys at my store smoking crack?
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Re:URLs (1)

TGR (95004) | more than 14 years ago | (#967225)

There seems to be some indications that it's just for those with lingering beta files lying about, and not those doing fresh installs.

Re:When will EB restock? (1)

Tihstae (86842) | more than 14 years ago | (#967226)

Anyone how often will EB stores restock D2 orders? I was unable to get it from three local EB stores. :( Does Best Buys and CompUSA (too expensive) have them yet?

Best Buy in my area didn't have any but the Comp USA did. Retail is $59.99.

Diablo 2 hits the shelves... (2)

NoWhere Man (68627) | more than 14 years ago | (#967227)

Diablo 2 hits the shelves...and the FTPs and Warez Sites! I knew a friend was downloading the game from an FTP before I knew it was available for purchase. (Okay I really didn't care when it came out, but I still plan to play for hours on end).

Very popular, long awaited game. I think its going to be one of the more slower downloads, as everyone is going to want it.

Re:What's the difference? (2)

aonifer (64619) | more than 14 years ago | (#967228)

6) small but cool difference: "socketed" weapons. These are weapons that have sockets for gems you can collect. Naturally, the slotting a sapphire in to a club makes the club a better weapon (!?).

Never underestimate the power of a pointy rock.

Re:WELL LA DEE-FREAKING-DA (1)

TeknoDragon (17295) | more than 14 years ago | (#967229)

and if you play games like this, you'll end up LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!

Re:Diablo 2 in Finland... (1)

gedanken (24390) | more than 14 years ago | (#967230)

I find it doubtful that this will become the best selling PC game in history.

When the first diablo and doom came out there really wasn't a whole lot of other games like them before. So if new people wanted to play a game *like* the aforementioned well they didn't have a choice.

The market is a lot bigger and varied now and people have more choices in the genre of RPGs. One such example is the recently released Ice Wind Dale which is sure to attract all the people who bought Buldar's Gate(sp?) which sold incredibly well.

The game will sell well, this was guranteed by the blizzard brand name alone, but best selling game in history? doubtful, but only time will tell.

Re:The Patch... (1)

Kowh (61371) | more than 14 years ago | (#967231)

Patch also wipes out single player games supposedly, so patch before you start a single player game (or just play multiplayer, the game's the same on or offline :)).

Re:So, why is CmdrTaco playing a sorceress? (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 14 years ago | (#967232)

Duh! -- Britishing . . .

Damn it. My DSL won't be ready for anotehr four weeks, at least. And the network at the office blocks UDP. God damn, I feel left out!
---
seumas.com

Re:Sorceress? (1)

gedanken (24390) | more than 14 years ago | (#967233)

well its massive in that a lot of people will be playing it at any given moment. but each game is limited to 8 players at a time. Your online characters are saved server side so each time you come back to the game you can still build up your character(s). Things such as saved items and completed quests also carry over. One thing that ruined the original for me was the over abundance of cheating, server side character storage should help. So they will avoid the common pitfalls of MMORPGS by simply not being one but still having so many of characteristics that make them fun.

Re:Er, what is diablo 2? (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#967234)

I'm assuming you're a techie.

You would love it!! The pay is substandard, the hours are longish, but when was the last time you got to play video games on a half million dollar machine?? Or take a $90,000 Compaq home for the week to make sure it was 'up to snuff'?? Or do things to a powered S80 that would make hardened IBM engineers blush? Or juggle $150,000 processor plates from an IBM 370 mainframe?

Nuff said.

Re:if only... (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#967235)

The only political issue would be the purchase of Windows to run the game; The game companies could care what platform they wrote the game for, as long as they could sell it.

Using Wine to keep cash out of the pockets of Gates & Company is not poiltical. It's the right thing to do.. Pirating Win32 games does nothing to improve the situation, it's just wrong.

Re:Diablo 2 in Finland... (1)

funkycat (201974) | more than 14 years ago | (#967236)

Well considering that Blizzard already has sold 1.5 million copies just with the pre-order and my estimate that at least another million will get bought in the first month, thats more then halfway to the 4 million mark, and theres still 3 months to go till september.

Re:if only... (2)

colinm1981 (185957) | more than 14 years ago | (#967237)

Well, there were about 100,000 testers in the stress test, and as far as I know none of them figured out how to cheat... I'd say this game is fairly cheat-proof if you ask me. All your character info is stored server-side rather than client-side, so it's not a matter of "decode the file format then hack your char to your heart's content" like in Diablo 1.

-colin

Re:Games are for losers (2)

synaptic-impulse (188412) | more than 14 years ago | (#967241)

Diablo II is very late - and nothing new. The game is the same, the play is near the same - and unless they have unveiled a SUBSTANTIALLY larger world - pointless.

The game employs features that have been around for ages, is sprite based, and has a very linear gameplay. BORING.

Now pool of radiance seems to be the better fit for yall ex nethacks... Remember when RPG/Fantasy games actually enthralled you with a story.

I am absolutley amazed at how Diablo II can even sell. It is obvious that ppl are getting it just because they liked Diablo (which was goodfor its time - um... 1995!!!)

rant rant rant

5 years WAY too late. I mean, UO had better gameplay/everything and it was released in 97....

Re:if only... (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#967244)

WINE

Seriously.. I'd betcha WINE runs it..

CmdrTaco?!?
Cowboy Neil?!?!
Someone cycle their dual-Xeon back into Linux and check for us!

Diablo 2 in Finland... (2)

Jouni (178730) | more than 14 years ago | (#967246)

This popular game store in Helsinki, Finland might get "only" 1000 copies. I'm sure glad I made a pre-order on mine, as they are very likely going to be drained out of the store by end of the day. The store opens in about 10 hours.

I have a pint of beer that says Diablo 2 becomes the best selling PC game in history, by end of September. I'm obviously biased by the stress test, but any takers on a bet?

Kudos to Blizzard for finishing the game (finally) even if they lost several of the core guys to startups. Lookin' good, too.

Tidbit of semi-useless information; in Japan it's apparently illegal to publish role playing games on weekdays as the number of sickdays become a big issue in the promised land of the otaku.

Jouni
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Jouni Mannonen : 3D Evangelist @ SurRender3D.com [surrender3d.com]

Re:Games are for losers (1)

synaptic-impulse (188412) | more than 14 years ago | (#967248)

oops - forgot pool of radiance link:

http://www.poolofradiance.com

What's the difference? (2)

antizeus (47491) | more than 14 years ago | (#967253)

Presumably the storyline and the quests are different -- that's a given. I'm interested in reading about changes in the game mechanics. Can anyone give us some tasty nuggets to chew on before we actually go out and buy the game?

Re:Games are for losers (1)

seanson22 (202693) | more than 14 years ago | (#967255)

True, true. There are always games like Ultima Ascension, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate, etc. There are always quality games out there, they just don't sell that well. The one bonus of that is that all the deep, enthralling, quality games usually end up in the bargain bin. Curse of Monkey Island anyone?

Re:What's the difference? (1)

mikpos (2397) | more than 14 years ago | (#967259)

IINM, there is also more than one town.

Re:Only Collector's Edition for me. (1)

kpitta (172417) | more than 14 years ago | (#967260)

I thought the idea of getting them directly from Blizzard was so they could be fed-exed earlier than the 30th when they'd be hitting the stores. How many at the compound have the collector's Ed., btw? Being that I'm a little curious

I think it all depends on how close you are to the distribution center. I got my copy yesterday (the 28th) from Babbage's in the S.F. area (close to Blizzard North) They only had copies of the C.E. for preorders though, and it was only $10 more for it. I thought it was worth it to get the soundtrack cd and dvd of the cinematics...


Re:Here we go again.... (1)

Rico_Suave (147634) | more than 14 years ago | (#967261)

Regarding #2 - Yep, the hypocrisy astounds me. Nice to know ethics can be bought by a bit of video game entertainment.

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fscking servers (1)

Zomart9th (125454) | more than 14 years ago | (#967262)

I wouldn't be reading /. if any of the diablo 2 realms would stay up consistently. Even Rob only took time out for a quick post.

Honestly, if i were blizzard, and i had sold 1.5 million copies, i would be damn sure that i had enough servers to handle 1.5 million concurrent connections. It really damages the initial user experience when you can't play your brand new character on your brand new game (which you are required to do for 2 hours in the first 2 days or it's deleted). I hope the server down time only represents a momentary lapse and will not be come a characteristic of the game.

I finally have my copy =) (1)

Omicron (79581) | more than 14 years ago | (#967263)

I kept procrastinating on the pre-order, and me and three other guys drove to a city an hour away to get our copies. There was Diablo 2 promo stuff everywhere, and that's all anyone was talking about. I've been playing for about two hours...in utter bliss. =) Just wanted to say I love the game.

Re:Only Collector's Edition for me. (1)

LogicallyROgue (197790) | more than 14 years ago | (#967264)

Try www.babbages.com - I only JUST ordered mine - $64.99 with 2nd Day FedEx for $2.95
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Re:No thanks, I'll stick to Vampire (1)

menasius (202515) | more than 14 years ago | (#967265)

I dunno I thought Vampire got a little old .. maybe it was the interface that bugged me. There were too many ways to mis click and drain your teamates blood while getting wacked in a big fight.

I have to agree though the Storytelling stuff is cool, but I think I'll wait for the freedoms that a game like Neverwinter Nights should offer. Until then Diablo2 has gotten me much more addicted than Vampire did.

-Bort

it won't matter anyway (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#967266)

Since the majority of users out there are windows users, a linux community boycott of Diablo 2 would not send a clear message to Blizzard. Even if they did notice that sales were below the expected amount, they would attribute it to inadequate advertising, inherent flaws in gameplay, or something else. They would point to their windows-only offering after they had exhausted all other possibilities.
I think the real solution is for everyone to buy linux games. Once big companies see that sales are decent for linux, they will allow Loki to port (or port themselves).

Look... (4)

Shut (164630) | more than 14 years ago | (#967267)

Blizzard can get on with its legions of fans spending countless dollars on its incredible games. 1.5 million were preordered. 1.5 million .

They will eventually port it to Linux (via their extraordinary and friendly staff, or thrgouh another channel, like Loki), as I have read, and can afford to. If you don't want to play an extremely high quality game, fine, don't buy or warez it. But Blizzard won't be crying about not satisfying the Open Source OS crowd immediately when they have already presold 1.5 million copies. They'll be smiling. On giant piles of money.

By the way, I've heard Warcraft 3 will be released on all OSes at once (Linux, Mac, Windows). This is just a rumor, however.

As to quote or paraphrase another poster's insight "It says news for nerds." not "News for Linux/BSD/Unix Zealots who have nothing better to do than make fun of Microsoft and Windows".

And finally, here's the Diablo II Character Guide [galactus.org] for those who didnt catch my Anonymous Coward post above.

Re:Er, what is diablo 2? (1)

tringstad (168599) | more than 14 years ago | (#967268)

Get yerself a copy and enjoy calling in sick fer the next three days!!

I would hate your job. Having to call in sick just to get a weekend of gaming in.

Save us, Lokisoft! (1)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | more than 14 years ago | (#967271)

Oh what, Windows only, you say? Cough. I don't pay money to reboot.

Diablo II seems to be high on the list of games that Linux users want to see ported, and that Loki wants to port. I'd certainly buy this game if it were ported to Linux. Heck, I'm still trying (off and on) to get the original Diablo to run under WINE. Anybody heard any juicy rumors about possible ports?

Save us, Lokisoft!

Joe Sixpack is dead!

TCP/IP Support (1)

Chrysomite (184965) | more than 14 years ago | (#967272)

If you don't want to risk it on Battle.net and you actually have friends (face it, some of you don't), there's always TCP/IP Multiplayer. Then the only one to blame when you lose all your cool stuff is yourself or the moron who found a bug that Blizzard didn't.

I suppose that doesn't mean you can't still gnash your teeth and shake your fists at them though.

Availability (1)

Vladinator (29743) | more than 14 years ago | (#967273)

How likely is it that people who didn't preorder will get a copy? Should I even bother to try yet, or should I wait for the next pressing or what ever of CD's?

Fawking Trolls! [slashdot.org]

No thanks, I'll stick to Vampire (2)

Trunks (35615) | more than 14 years ago | (#967276)

I dunno if it's just me, but after a while the gameplay in Diablo/Diablo II just gets boring for me. I think I'll just stick to Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption and it's wonderful Storytellers mode. Games are much more fun with a ST/DM type running things and controlling NPCs. That and VtMR is much more flexible when it comes to game mods. There's a SDK out that allows you to make new levels, templates, even a scripting language that lets you change almost anything in the game or add your own code.

The Codex scripting language is a derivative of Java, a programming language, with a number of special native function calls that allow interaction with the game engine. Most standard Java code should successfully compile and run in the game.

Re:What's the difference? (5)

gribbly (39555) | more than 14 years ago | (#967277)

Well, first of all it's not that different. It looks and plays very much like the first Diablo. But there are some key differences:

1) the maps are _much_ bigger.

2) due to 1), you can now run as well as walk. This is a Good Thing.

3) the combat is more or less identical (stand and slash), but you can now simply hold the LMB down and your character will repeatedly hack away. No more RSI!

4) you can get NPC characters who follow you around and help you fight.

5) the skill system is much more involved (it's now a "skill tree").

6) small but cool difference: "socketed" weapons. These are weapons that have sockets for gems you can collect. Naturally, the slotting a sapphire in to a club makes the club a better weapon (!?).

And that, as far as I can tell, is the extent of the difference! Oh, the character classes are different, yet somehow exactly the same :)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it =

grib.

"Realm" Characters... (1)

Psi-kick Guy (149014) | more than 14 years ago | (#967279)

From what I understand, they've removed the ability to cheat if you're a "Realm" character..

"Realm" characters are stored on Diablo's servers, so you can't edit them... For the people who want their characters stored on their own computers, there is nothing stopping you from cheating this way.

One thing to note, the two character types are not allowed to adventure together (ever), so you don't have to worry about someone hacking their non-realm character to get Godly Plate of the Whale, then giving that to a realm char.

All in all, looks like a nice tradeoff to me..

Re:Here we go again.... (2)

ODiV (51631) | more than 14 years ago | (#967284)

"But most of us run linux, FreeBSD, etc."

Just nitpicking here. Where do you get your information? How do you know? While this is a site that strongly supports alternatives to Windows, I'm willing to bet that many of its readers (possibly even a majority) use win xx as their primary OS (if they even use more than one OS).

"All those that support Windows gaming will get a reward. It will be more Windows games. My reward for supporting Linux games is that there will be many ohter Linux games to purchase."
How can you both get different rewards? This doesn't make any sense to me.

"Most of the slashdot readership WANTS more linux ports of games."

Once again, where do you get your information? How many Slashdot users are there? How many posts do articles on Windows only games generally receive? How many of those posts say "I want a port of this." I have no idea how you can take 5 or so posts and their upward moderation to mean that the majority of slashdot users want more linux ports.

Re:What's the difference? (1)

Sodakar (205398) | more than 14 years ago | (#967287)

As others have mentioned, the key difference is the fact that you can RUN... Hehe. Other than that, that you can train in different disciplines - for example, in beta, the Barbarian could choose between weapon skills, proc skills, or other combat skills when allocating skill points. That was quite fun, and quite a challenge... Several of my level 15 beta characters just had the *wrong* skills, and it was hilarious.

The other highlight is the fact that you can hire "help" (hired NPC chars that help you) and have two-way portals that let you jump to the next waypoint. Well, the original Diablo had something like this via different entrances, but I still like the idea of everything being planar, and being able to jump from one region to another.

So.. how good/bad is it? Well, I installed Diablo I just to see how much better Diablo II was. Well, I can say this - I would never play Diablo I again. Now... is Diablo II "great" for a game released in 2000? Honestly, I don't think so. The main concept of hack-and-slash hasn't changed, and while you have alternate tactics and skills to work with now, it's still just a hack and slash game.

I find it odd saying this, but I would rather have named NPC's die off completely once they die... It's just too weird running through the whole continent killing all the boss NPC's you've killed 50 times already... oh well... maybe it's just me...

Re:Er, what is diablo 2? (1)

Signal 10 (199067) | more than 14 years ago | (#967290)

Dood... i don't get your sig... i watched it for like, 20 minutes! Nothing happened!

Do you have a mouse in your pocket? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#967291)

To whom are you referring when you talk about _us_? I think it quite arrogant to think you can speak for the whole of the /. reading community.

Personally, I love linux and I do pay extra respect to software companies that develop for multiple platforms, but I don't hate companies that choose not to do so. And I don't feel that I need to be branded a traitor to the linux movement because I don't boycott Diablo 2 on principle. I am not that petty.

The reality is that Blizzard is one of the largest game companies out there, and sorry to say it but the fact that Blizzard is a BUSINESS means that judgement calls are made regarding what platforms to support and when. I am sure that everyone, including many people within Blizzard itself, would love for every new game released to be on windows,linux,mac,be, etc., but unless they can convince the people at the top whose primary concern is the bottom line, we are booting into windows to play Diablo II. And I hate to break it to you but most of the people at the top are not programmers and could give two shits how many platforms are supported as long as the profit margin is maximized.

Life sucks, get a f**king helmet.
-Dennis Leary

Re:Doesn't work with Kenwood drives... (2)

Dreamweaver (36364) | more than 14 years ago | (#967293)

I've had to do the same thing (install from cd-rw) because my 32x mitsumi died about a month ago and i don't game much. Apparently it *does* read from the cd fairly often as the game lags like mad when i move from one area to another.. though you've probably already discovered this.

As a side note, if you think the game's not running when you start it from CD, just wait about 10 minutes.

Anybody know of one of those cd emulation programs so i can just run it off my HD?
Dreamweaver

EQ jobs to Diablo II (1)

sugarman (33437) | more than 14 years ago | (#967294)

EQ was down for 8 hours today for "patches". Yeah right. Sounds to me like too many sysops were checking out the competition.

But on the plus side, Norrath could be quite quiet over the weekend, with blow-out sales to follow during the Sunday markets. Mmmm. Quiet...

Re:Games are for losers (1)

synaptic-impulse (188412) | more than 14 years ago | (#967295)

Yes and no.

My point was really that Diablo II is a failure already. They should have called it: Diablo: millenium edition. It is the same game - but they spent all their time taking out all the cheats (good)

But that is why they lost so many ppl - who wants to work on the SAME GAME for 7 years....

For the amount of time they put into this and what you get, it shows that all the best game devs work somewhere else :P

Sorceress? (2)

cxreg (44671) | more than 14 years ago | (#967297)

So I guess CmdrTaco is one of the 50% of guys that like to play as females in games. Or maybe he just likes to dress up in women's clothes and act powerful? By the way, is this a MMORPG? I didn't play the original Diablo but heard it was a lot of fun. Just wondering how they plan to avoid the common pitfalls of MMORPGs if it is...

So, why is CmdrTaco playing a sorceress? (5)

Guppy (12314) | more than 14 years ago | (#967299)

"I'm a level 10 Sorceress named CmdrTaco, so if you see me, give me cool amulets or something."

Some time ago, there was a story on Slashdot that dealt with Men Playing as Women [slashdot.org] , as I see CmdrTaco is now doing. Here's a quick list of some possible reasons why the commander is playing a female...

- He likes the way the sorceress looks.
- He likes the technical characteristics of that character class.
- For, um... exploration of gender issues.
- He wants horny guys to give him free stuff.

Now, given that request for amulets, I'd have to say he's playing a sorceress for that last reason there. So all you guys out there playing male characters -- might I suggest you make Taco work for those items by forcing him to flirt outrageously with your characters before you give him anything?

Like Diablo 1 (1)

cage_lynx (152709) | more than 14 years ago | (#967301)

I'd suppose they are already working on expansion packs for diablo 2 .... like Hellfire for Diablo 1..... does anyone know anything aboit it??

Whee... (2)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 14 years ago | (#967303)

Another roguelike to add to the roguelike games list. Pity I don't do Windows...

I wonder why we haven't seen a isometric graphical roguelike for Linux yet. I don't reckon it'd be all that hard to code one. UO was OK except they dropped Linux support and we were basically paying to beta test for them anyway. Worldforge seems to be making good progress, but I'm not entirely certain how to classify them yet (Are they a roguelike?) and it looks like they'll be in development for a while yet.

Re:What's the difference? (1)

Psi-kick Guy (149014) | more than 14 years ago | (#967305)

Lots of differences..

The rendering engine is completely re-done - it uses a 3D modeler-type now.. which means it will also take advantage of your 3D card (Glide and DirectX 3D stuff).. it does tr

New character classes (5 of 'em) - the old ones are gone, plus a completely new system of stats & experience...

All in all, looks good...
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