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UK Police Raid Party After Seeing "All-Night" Tag On Facebook

Soulskill posted about 5 years ago | from the clicking-buttons-is-much-easier-than-walking-a-beat dept.

Privacy 628

An anonymous reader writes "Apparently the police like to spend their time trawling our private information on Facebook looking for criminals. 'Riot police stormed a man's 30th birthday barbecue for 15 guests because it was advertised as an "all-night" party on Facebook. Four police cars, a riot van, and a force helicopter were dispatched to a privately-owned field in a small village near Sowton, Devon in the UK on Saturday, ordering the party shut down or everyone would be arrested. The birthday barbecue was busted up before they even had a chance to plug the music in, reports the BBC. It was about 4pm when eight officers with camouflage pants and body armor jumped out of their vehicles and ordered everyone out about an hour into the party.' The event's organizer, Andrew Poole, said, 'The police had full-on camouflage trousers on and body-armour, it was ridiculous. There were also several plain-clothes officers as well ... they kept on insisting it has been advertised it as an all-night rave on the internet. The times on it were put as "overnight" in case people wanted to sleep-over, but after being explained this they were still banging on saying it was advertised on the internet. They wouldn't accept it wasn't a rave. It was in a completely isolated field.'"

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628 comments

Wow (5, Funny)

inKubus (199753) | about 5 years ago | (#28738601)

I guess everyone should put all night party tags on their Facebook pages tomorrow night.

Re:Wow (5, Interesting)

Tokerat (150341) | about 5 years ago | (#28738617)

I, for one, will be tagging every Facebook event I list from now on as an all-night party in Sowton, Devon, UK. I encourage you to do the same.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

sumdumass (711423) | about 5 years ago | (#28738791)

Isn't that going to get kind of expensive having all your parties shut down by the cops?

Whoosh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738835)

The GP was suggesting everyone put "party in Sowton" (the town from TFA) regardless of the what the event is or the actual location.

Re:Wow (1, Funny)

bluemonq (812827) | about 5 years ago | (#28738837)

Yes it would... if any of those events were actually in Sowton, Devon, UK.

Re:Wow (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | about 5 years ago | (#28738669)

Since when do the police have the power to separate a party?

Surely that authority rests only with the home owner.

Re:Wow (5, Informative)

mark_hill97 (897586) | about 5 years ago | (#28738743)

Since 1994 with the introduction of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994. [opsi.gov.uk]
I cant take credit for this info though, shamelessly stolen from the discussion on reddit [reddit.com] yesterday.

Re:Wow (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738927)

Since Thatcher took exception to the actual all-night raves that went on in the early nineties. The government take a dim view of anyone having fun, Thatcher (and Blair and Brown for that matter) take a dimmer view of spontaneous communities forming for the purpose of socialising, dancing and casual drug-taking. This is due to the neo-Liberal tenet that people are entirely selfish entities, plotting and scheming against one-another, the only way they should be able to express themselves is through the free market.[1] The point being that these raves were legal, but were not taking part in government-approved capitalist venues, people there were not consuming government-approved drugs (such as alcohol) and even more galling: they went against the principle that people are essentially selfish.

So. Thatcher had to shut them down, because they went against the government's philosophy of how the world should look. It was an amazing time though, and if you meet a 40-something Brit, who wears a suit to work, has two point four children[2] and you assume they're a boring old git, think again. Chances are a few years ago they were standing in a field, listening to great old school rave[3], and enjoying a sense of community the population of Britain can now only dream of. All thanks to the jackbooted thugs who have been forcing their Cold War derived ideologies on our fair isle for too long.

One of these days we're going to go Wat Tyler[4] on their arses.

[1] See The Trap [wikipedia.org] .

[2] British idiom Two point four children [tvtropes.org] , referring to the average number of children per-household in the UK.

[3] Just a small example: Prodigy - Out of Space [youtube.com] (not for everyone, but that's not the point)

[4] Wat Tyler, leader of the Peasants Revolt [wikipedia.org] .

(captcha is 'corrupts', how apropos!)

Re:Wow (2, Informative)

h4rm0ny (722443) | about 5 years ago | (#28739105)


The police have plenty of "power". What they have the right to do is something else. If you want a really good example of police doing as they please, watch the following link:
http://hamishcampbell.com/2009/03/investigation-of-policing-at-climate.html [hamishcampbell.com]

Worth watching for a few minutes in to see some of the more absurd examples of the police abusing their power.

Re:Wow (1)

Blue Shifted (1078715) | about 5 years ago | (#28738709)

i used to think that the steps rave organizers went to, to keep it hard for the law to bust, were extreme, and that they were too paranoid, and thought there was no way the cops would be wasting their time on the internet trying to figure out codewords and such.

guess i was wrong....

Re:Wow (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738801)

There's the rub. If it were a real rave, it wouldn't have an obvious tag like all-night on it. Raver's use a cryptolect for a reason. Apparently the cops think the ravers are as dumb as they are.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

barefoothannibal (967579) | about 5 years ago | (#28738829)

Residents were quoted as saying "OMGWTFBBQ!?!"

Re:Wow (1)

Bob_Who (926234) | about 5 years ago | (#28738873)

I guess everyone should put all night party tags on their Facebook pages tomorrow night.

Here here!! Thats exactly how we handle it! Who needs to wait a decade for the anachronistic incestuous and lumpy legislative process to take effect. This is a great idea and true demonstration of the public view. We can be far more efficient at handling this pinhead misuse of authority, by commanding the authority in exactly the way that you suggest! Good Citizen!! Slashdot for Parliament and Congress. God Save the Free! Live Long and Prosper! Nanu-nanu! Tin foil hat salute! Kumbayah!

Re:Wow (1)

basementman (1475159) | about 5 years ago | (#28738891)

I think we should just tag this Slashdot post allnightparty. We can all drop e together and contribute to an open source project. You know, what Slashdot admins were doing when they coded the CSS of this site.

What a good idea (4, Interesting)

Tokerat (150341) | about 5 years ago | (#28738611)

Instead of keeping people you know to possibly be intoxicated confined to an event all night where they can only do harm to themselves (if even), let's break these gatherings up so some of these people get intoxicated elsewhere, and have to drive home early.

Raving is not a crime.

Re:What a good idea (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | about 5 years ago | (#28738619)

Raving is not a crime.

Correct you are. Taking drugs might be, but partying and listening to loud music in an isolated field out in the middle of nowhere, isn't.

Re:What a good idea (1)

Tokerat (150341) | about 5 years ago | (#28738635)

Not sure how it is in the UK, but in the US it's not illegal to be under the influence unless you are disturbing the peace (unless this has changed without my knowledge. Haven't done anything like that since college). Possession and sale, however...

Re:What a good idea (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 5 years ago | (#28738915)

It's awfully hard to be under the influence of something without possessing it, even if it is only possessed in trace amounts in your bloodstream.

Re:What a good idea (1)

Swizec (978239) | about 5 years ago | (#28739041)

Possession for personal use isn't illegal though. If you have one shot, or perhaps a few shots, nobody is going to bug you over it. Not the cops who will have more trouble than it's worth doing the paperwork, nor the justice system who doesn't really care about minor crimes like "Possessed half a gram of marihuana, an unsellable amount"

On the other hand, I've heard of people who have gotten away with a possession-for-personal-use defence when having 30 grams of marihuana on them. That must've been a glorious moment.

Mind police (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | about 5 years ago | (#28739049)

I hope the mind police don't read your post, you'll give them ideas.

Re:What a good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738853)

Not just an isolated field but PRIVATE PROPERTY. If it were me, I would have politely told the cop to bugger off.

This is what you get... (4, Insightful)

decoy256 (1335427) | about 5 years ago | (#28738963)

This garbage really pisses me off. The next time one of you whiny little maggots start crying about how some criminal got off the hook and you start to say "We should have 'tougher laws' to fix this", think about this story... this is what "tougher laws" get you... a super uptight nit-picking police force that busts up a RUTTIN' BIRTHDAY PARTY because it used the "wrong words" in the invitation.

Re:This is what you get... (1, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | about 5 years ago | (#28739039)

Most people would be happy with this, less criminals, and the occasional party broken up.

You can fight this, but you can't win. The world changes, has been changing for the last 200 years. Your kids are getting used to this, and think nothing of it. Just as there are many things you put up with, and your parents never would.

Just make sure you are one of the ones giving out the soma, rather than forced to take it. This is all you can do.

Re:What a good idea (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 5 years ago | (#28738875)

Terrorist lover.

Re:What a good idea (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 5 years ago | (#28738903)

Unless your trespassing. Assuming that's not happening, rock on.

Re:What a good idea (1, Informative)

b4upoo (166390) | about 5 years ago | (#28738629)

For some reason police squads seem to get completely, over the edge, stupid on an all too regular basis. And it is not just in the UK. In Miami Florida we had a police raid in which the cops simply got the wrong address. In the middle of night they knocked down the front door of a home and tossed the sleeping couple up against a wall and then one of the cops tore off the female residents top and began playing with her teats while making racial remarks. It just happens that the home owner in question was a minister in a substantial church and the naked teats that were being fondled by the cop belonged to the reverend's wife. OOOOPPPPPS!

Re:What a good idea (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738815)

Pics or it didn't happen.

Re:What a good idea (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738897)

Sadly, the only thing that will probably happen in that case is the cop getting a two week paid vacation- erm, I mean suspended a couple weeks with pay.

Re:What a good idea (5, Informative)

xdotx (966421) | about 5 years ago | (#28738957)

Raving is not a crime.

TFA: "[...] section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, which grants police powers to remove persons attending or preparing for a "rave" (defined as playing amplified music "wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats," during the night)."

Well, apparently it is.

Re:What a good idea (4, Insightful)

SputnikPanic (927985) | about 5 years ago | (#28739067)

I've never been to the UK but over the years I've read no small number of stories coming from across the pond that just leave me shaking my head: the ever-present cameras, the citizen databases, the monitoring and surveillance, etc. How are the good folks in the UK not in the streets about all this? Maybe I'm wrong -- in fact I hope that I am -- but the UK seems to be barreling down the road to Big Brother. To see a Western nation going down this path truly disturbs me.

We are not alone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738613)

Somehow I find the fact that the U.K. utilizes their police force just as disproportionately to minor situations as the U.S. does.

If other nations are crazy that means that we're normal by default, right?

Re:We are not alone! (1)

bensafrickingenius (828123) | about 5 years ago | (#28738623)

...citation needed.

Re:We are not alone! (4, Funny)

node 3 (115640) | about 5 years ago | (#28738631)

...citation needed.

Just post it to facebook, the police will take care of the citation...

Must suck (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738625)

Must suck for those guys to live in a police state. Man am i ever glad to live in a free an democratic country.

Oh, wait...

And If It *Had* Been a Rave...? (2, Insightful)

ewhac (5844) | about 5 years ago | (#28738637)

Honestly, what's the justification for this nonsense? Are the local constabularies that bored? And what the hell was with the SWAT-like response? Do they seriously think Osama bin Laden is going to turn up and spin techno for three hours?

Did the owner of the field give informed consent for the gathering? If so, then the police had no business being there. Apologies are almost certainly in order.

Schwab

Re:And If It *Had* Been a Rave...? (2, Insightful)

Tokerat (150341) | about 5 years ago | (#28738647)

That's the other thing I never understood. I've never seen a rave turn violent. You could just sent one or two cars and break it up. 5 officers, MAX. It's not like partykids carry guns!

Re:And If It *Had* Been a Rave...? (3, Interesting)

MarkusQ (450076) | about 5 years ago | (#28738673)

Honestly, what's the justification for this nonsense? Are the local constabularies that bored? And what the hell was with the SWAT-like response? Do they seriously think Osama bin Laden is going to turn up and spin techno for three hours?

It would be interesting to see if there were any political connections--local officials in this country have been known to use almost almost identical "SWAT-like" tactics [talkingpointsmemo.com] to break up an opponent's fund raiser, for example.

The "we thought it was a rave" BS would make a lot more sense as a cover for some stronger (but presently obscure) motive.

-- MarkusQ

Re:And If It *Had* Been a Rave...? (0, Flamebait)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 5 years ago | (#28738819)

It would be interesting to see if there were any political connections--local officials in this country have been known to use almost almost identical "SWAT-like" tactics to break up an opponent's fund raiser, for example.

Pfft. If you've read about the Busby affair, the dems in question were acting like little princesses and attacked a sheriff. They deserved to get pepper sprayed for their idiocy.

As the (winning) republican in the district said, "If that's how she handles leadership at her own events, how could you trust her with running a country?"

$100 BILLION (1, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 years ago | (#28738733)

"Honestly, what's the justification for this nonsense?"

"War on drugs" ring any bells? - it's a euphemisim for oppression.

High ranking police all over the planet have built beuracratic kingdoms around the idiotic idea of declaring war on a social problem. In the US where this moronic idea came from it costs $100 billion/year to police just pot alone, yes $100 BILLION every YEAR just to stop people smoking pot. $10 billion of that goes directly to the DEA who LOBBY legislatures to keep the status quo. One american is arrested and has their life ruined every 18 seconds just for smoking pot. UK, Australia, etc, are no different.

Re:$100 BILLION (3, Informative)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 5 years ago | (#28738855)

High ranking police all over the planet have built beuracratic kingdoms around the idiotic idea of declaring war on a social problem. In the US where this moronic idea came from it costs $100 billion/year to police just pot alone, yes $100 BILLION every YEAR just to stop people smoking pot. $10 billion of that goes directly to the DEA who LOBBY legislatures to keep the status quo. One american is arrested and has their life ruined every 18 seconds just for smoking pot. UK, Australia, etc, are no different.

Oh, please. The entire DEA budget is only $1.9B, so I kind of doubt they spend $10B a year just on pot prevention. And where is the other $90B coming from? /rolleyes

Facts - your new best friend: http://www.usdoj.gov/jmd/2010summary/pdf/dea-bud-summary.pdf [usdoj.gov]

Sure, there's other things like the National Drug Information Center, and the ICDE, but their total budget is penny change, maybe $0.5B or so.

I love hyperbole as much as the next guy, but seriously, being off by two orders of magnitude is just ignorant.

Re:$100 BILLION (0)

ildon (413912) | about 5 years ago | (#28738887)

Too bad it's from the government so his conspiracy-theory-addled mind will never accept it.

Re:$100 BILLION (3, Insightful)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 5 years ago | (#28738939)

>>Too bad it's from the government so his conspiracy-theory-addled mind will never accept it.

Yeah... he's got a crackpot notion that our federal government has nothing better to do than pour billions of dollars into wasteful programs that won't make a lick of difference. What a nutjob, eh?

Eh?

Re:$100 BILLION (3, Insightful)

Anti_Climax (447121) | about 5 years ago | (#28739075)

Not that I think your figures on the DEA budget are wrong, but stopping folks from smoking pot involves a lot of additional enforcement costs shouldered by local police, border patrol, coast guard and the courts. The DEA typically, though not always, spends their budget going after growers and trafficers and in the process they utilize a lot of local resources.
 
When you consider the cost of that local utilization, the cost of jailing these non-violent offenders, the costs incurred in public defense, prosecution and lost productivity (in the courts and in the lives of those being tried) - I'd be inclined to think it's much closer to 100B nationally than to 1.9B - still hyperbole but not just hand-waving.
 
I'd honestly be interested in seeing what those costs total out to nationally but I'd doubt there are numbers that would allow for a decent projection of those costs as they relate to marijuana and not all drugs combined.

Even if it was a rave... (3, Informative)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | about 5 years ago | (#28738651)

What's worse, even if it was a "rave" (*gag*) it technically shouldn't have been illegal. While ravers and raves are probably one of humanity's least finest inventions there's nothing inherently wrong with listening and dancing to shitty techno (a redundancy?), waving around glowsticks like a fruitcake, and taking a drug that hurts no one 'cept yourself. Ravers in all their idiocy are like modern retardo hippies; it's not like raves are an assembly of violent people. The root of this all is the War on Drugs.

So it's doubly-wrong.

(sorry for any possible ravers that read this, 'though I suspect most ravers don't know how to read)

Re:Even if it was a rave... (2, Informative)

Tokerat (150341) | about 5 years ago | (#28738661)

Let's not pretend that other concerts aren't just as full of retards doing just as dumb things. Simply because you never got anything out of it doesn't mean it sucks; I mean, plenty of people swear by vi, for Chrissake ;-) DISCLAIMER: I'm a raver and I write code.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (2, Interesting)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | about 5 years ago | (#28738693)

Well, if you want your silver lining then there's always the slutty girls at raves. Slutty girls are a big plus anywhere. Just be sure to wrap it.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (4, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 5 years ago | (#28738811)

Ravers only write Java and Python code.

Real programmers don't go to parties, unless they have bearded men with homebrew beer or possibly pen and paper role-playing games (but not miniatures!)

Re:Even if it was a rave... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28739019)

Ravers only write Java and Python code.

Real programmers don't go to parties, unless they have bearded men with homebrew beer or possibly pen and paper role-playing games (but not miniatures!)

Wow I'm a raver and I never knew it. Thanks for clearing that up!

Re:Even if it was a rave... (1)

Splab (574204) | about 5 years ago | (#28739107)

I got to Java and was about to start the flame thrower, but then it said python and I thought.. Damn he's right.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (1, Troll)

oblivionboy (181090) | about 5 years ago | (#28738737)

No, don't mod him up -- the guys a troll through and through. Just substitute whatever music you listen to (heavy metal, jazz, etc) and see if you'd like what he's saying about you. Think about it -- you're one step away from becoming Digg, if you give him a +1.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | about 5 years ago | (#28738871)

Raves are more than just bad techno. It's a type of culture.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (4, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#28738773)

The root of this all is the War on Some Drugs.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (1)

init100 (915886) | about 5 years ago | (#28738981)

Ravers in all their idiocy are like modern retardo hippies

Depending on one's own point of view, I think analogous statements can be made about many of the subcultures associated with various music genres.

Re:Even if it was a rave... (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | about 5 years ago | (#28739003)

Got no problem with that, 'cept I think the hippie part applies to ravers moreso than any other. Neon and pastel colors are the new tye-dye.

So... (1)

Datamonstar (845886) | about 5 years ago | (#28738653)

Raves are illegal in the UK? Amazing.

Re:So... (4, Informative)

jisatsusha (755173) | about 5 years ago | (#28738725)

The actual legislation [opsi.gov.uk] if anyone's interested.

Re:So... (2, Informative)

josiebgoode (754961) | about 5 years ago | (#28738757)

As reported by the Register [theregister.co.uk] , police can break up a rave party under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act since 1994. And it is not for any kind of music festivals... No, no, no, only raves: "playing amplified music wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats during the night".

Re:So... (1)

bluemonq (812827) | about 5 years ago | (#28738841)

Hrm... Carmina Burana has some repetitive beats. ...that'd be an interesting rave, wouldn't it?

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 5 years ago | (#28738895)

>>No, no, no, only raves: "playing amplified music wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats during the night".

Interesting law. It specifies that it applies to people regardless of if they're trespassing, so they can be used to order people off their land, as long as a superintendent of the police thinks that 2 or more people are "making preparations" to hold a rave there.

If they don't leave their own land, a constable can arrest them without a warrant.

Crazy times.

However, it does define a rave as a nighttime party of 100 or more people, and I think the 15 dudes BBQing under a tent during the afternoon doesn't look much like a nighttime rave. The police were acting against the law.

Re:So... (3, Insightful)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 5 years ago | (#28739005)

and I think the 15 dudes BBQing under a tent during the afternoon doesn't look much like a nighttime rave. The police were acting against the law.

This is where the part making preparations comes in play. From the face of it the law is pretty much on the police's side. They see some people setting up a tent, building up music equipment, arranging some catering - there you go, looks just like preparations for a rave party.

And of course ravers are very scary, extremely dangerous and highly aggressive people who are likely to be totally high on whatever drug is in fashion nowadays which is why there is clearly a need for a helicopter, body armour, and the rest. (/sarcasm)

Re:So... (1)

iron-kurton (891451) | about 5 years ago | (#28738943)

I'm just in shock that "emission of a succession of repetitive beats" doesn't actually include rock (beatles, stones), punk (sex pistols, the clash), metal (iron maiden, judas priest), and just about any music to have deep roots in Britain.

Bday BBQ != 'rave' by law ...of H most Excellent M (1)

D4C5CE (578304) | about 5 years ago | (#28739001)

And it is not for any kind of music festivals... No, no, no, only raves: "playing amplified music wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats during the night.

No, it would be a rather vague blunkett authorisation (most spellings intentional ;-} though this section may already have been on the statute books in 2001) to crack down even on non-disturbing events, as that definition alone matches pretty much any playback of all but the most experimental recordings.

However, the respective section [opsi.gov.uk] "applies to a gathering on land in the open air of 100 or more persons (whether or not trespassers)" and continues regarding the music "(with or without intermissions) and is such as, by reason of its loudness and duration and the time at which it is played, is likely to cause serious distress to the inhabitants of the locality".
Does not exactly look like the definition of an average birthday party, no matter whether the "kids'" friends were invited by way of (as opposed to the event being advertised on) the apparently suspicion-generating Evilnet.

Safety rave (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28739109)

They can break it up if they want to
They can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends can rave and if they rave
Well they're no friends of them

Time to house arrest all citizens (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738659)

'Had it gone ahead, it is likely that far more of our resources would have been used to police the event and there would have been considerable disruption to neighbouring properties.

That's from a spokeswoman of the police there.

I mean seriously, you're gonna say that because it's easier to make people stop doing something that you have suspicion it might be illegal it's better to mess up a tax paying citizen's freedom?

To loosely quote Sam Vimes of Discworld, "It's better to say we caught the guy what done it instead of saying we caught the guy who looked like he'd do it. Especially when they say, Prove it."

Also...

'It was fortunate that the force helicopter was able to fly over the site as they were returning from another task.'

Really. In the same article the spokewoman says that it cost them 200 pounds to deploy the helicopter for 20 minutes. The birthday boy spent 800 pounds to get his party RUINED by the police. Fuck you guys, seriously. What the fuck.

Re:Time to house arrest all citizens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738951)

From the comments section, in TFA...

"but I was not a terrorist so I said nothing.

Then they came for the paedophiles, but I was not a paedophile so I said nothing.

Then they came for the Birthday parties, but it wasn't my birthday so I said nothing."

Nice one, bobbles31

Not private (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738691)

Protip: If you put it on facebook, it's not private. Fucking idiot.

legal options (1)

martas (1439879) | about 5 years ago | (#28738705)

does anyone know if this dude can get payback legally in any form? (and by payback i mean something like getting the entire police force fired or something...)

And now you know why ... (0, Flamebait)

Skapare (16644) | about 5 years ago | (#28738707)

... we had to break away from their empire. If this had been the Roman Empire, the cops would have joined the party.

When Bar-B-Q Party's Go Bad? (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 5 years ago | (#28738711)

How rude, people show up, not invited, for a party and there's no party. It's quite obvious that it was a slow day at #10 Downing, and so someone said, "hay! I know were a party is, let's go crash it!". I guess they just forgot that when you crash a party, it's helpful to bring some drugs, and booze. Of course there's the other aspect, someone at #10 Downing gets paid to surf Facebook. Nasty people, those Facebook users are. I wonder how much law enforcement training is required to break and enter into someone else's secured Facebook enviornment, how ever lightly secured. But hay, cops can hardly be expected to Actually abide the laws they have to enforce. They're under so much pressure, and they know how to break the law so that no one gets hurt. We should all just look the other way? But wait! It's all to save the children!

Started with a barbeque, but.. (4, Informative)

andersa (687550) | about 5 years ago | (#28738717)

Frankly I am old enough and bitter enough to just want kids like that off my lawn, my neighboors lawn, and if they are loud enough, the field next to it as well for that matter.

From BBC news [bbc.co.uk] - "But local people, fearing a rave was going to take place after previous events with loud music at the same premises, alerted the police."

In other words, this bunch were notorious around town for partying all through the night, playing loud music and generally being a pain in the ass to everybody else. They may have been just barbequeing when the police showed up, but the locals knew what was comming and decided enough was enough.

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (2, Informative)

Repossessed (1117929) | about 5 years ago | (#28738735)

Kids? The guy whose birthday they were celebrating just turned 30.

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738775)

yea, that's an old raver kid too.

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (0)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 5 years ago | (#28738845)

My sister is a bit of a raver ... and she lives in the UK ... and she just turned 30. Maybe I should give her a call, check to see if she is in the lockup. OTH I will just check facebook. I am sure there is something to set to say you have been locked up by the UK police because you went to a rave party.

...ended in a rave 1 hour later? (1)

Timmy Topshelf (1600493) | about 5 years ago | (#28738781)

Because you're old, everyone should be old!

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (3, Insightful)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | about 5 years ago | (#28738813)

"But local people, fearing a rave was going to take place after previous events with loud music at the same premises, alerted the police."

Ok, so they may have gotten a little rowdy in the past; send patrols by to make sure things stay calm, and break it up after if it starts getting out of hand. Go up and ask questions a bit, make your presence known, to make sure it stays under control. There are ways of controlling a bad situation without much fuss, and without eliminating the possible bad situation.

This was just plain horrid reactionary behavior that points out flaws in laws that, while have good intentions, allow for abuse and make people despise them.

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (2, Insightful)

ildon (413912) | about 5 years ago | (#28738907)

"We've gotten some complaints about parties around here in the past. If you don't keep it quiet and under control we'll have to break it up."

Nope, too hard. Get the riot squad.

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (2, Insightful)

MartinSchou (1360093) | about 5 years ago | (#28738893)

this bunch were notorious around town

How do you figure? The reports say "after previous events [...] at the same premises", not "after previous events with the same people".

How would you feel if you visited a bank the day after it had been robbed, and random people accused you of being a bank robber, just because you happened to be at the scene of a previous robbery?

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738911)

Why would anyone go to the bank two days in a row? If that actually happened I would suspect that the person was indeed the robber.

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (4, Insightful)

Psychotria (953670) | about 5 years ago | (#28738899)

From BBC news [bbc.co.uk] - "But local people, fearing a rave was going to take place after previous events with loud music at the same premises, alerted the police."

In other words, this bunch were notorious around town for partying all through the night, playing loud music and generally being a pain in the ass to everybody else. They may have been just barbequeing when the police showed up, but the locals knew what was comming and decided enough was enough.

Where did you get that they were "notorious around town" from? I don't see mentioned anywhere that the "bunch" were notorious around town for causing trouble. All I see is that a bunch of locals decided that they'd contact police. A bunch of locals giving police "information" is not reason enough for the police to respond in the way they did. Heck, if YOU lived in my neighbourhood I just might be tempted to get me and my friends to make up stories about YOU and get the police to raid your house. How would you like that? Not very much I am guessing.

In case you don't understand what I just said, let me put it in another way. Lets just say I have a bunch of friends here on slashdot and that I got together with them to accuse you of being a troll. All of us (me and my friends) will agree and email the slashdot admins that you're a troll. Upon hearing this, the admins revoke your account and ban you. How would this be right?

Re:Started with a barbeque, but.. (1)

andersa (687550) | about 5 years ago | (#28738969)

Oh please do that! Please!

You realise you can just stop fucking posting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28739085)

There's no need to use your slashdot account.

How about this: some people say to the police that they've seen you selling small packs of what looks like heroin or something to people in your house, since the packet was seen in a pocket of someone leaving your house.

Police raid at 2am.

Sure, yeah, I can believe that (4, Funny)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | about 5 years ago | (#28738789)

Yeah, I have neighbors who do the whole "BBQ" thing. They like to stay up "barbecuing" until about 4:30 a.m., and one of them in particular likes to rap an entire song's worth of memorized rap lyrics in a loud monotone for several minutes at a time.

Now, I don't want camouflaged police showing up, but when I call the cops and these guys demand to know "which neighbor was it?" and STILL don't shut up after the cops are gone, I have to think that somebody with a Facebook account and a field is probably driving his neighbors FREAKING insane.

Thank goodness for my linux box and synths that can play a nice loud PSHHHHHHTTTT sound, brown or pink as you like it. (Had to work linux in there somehow)

Re:Sure, yeah, I can believe that (1)

martas (1439879) | about 5 years ago | (#28738843)

Thank goodness for my linux box and synths that can play a nice loud PSHHHHHHTTTT sound, brown or pink as you like it. (Had to work linux in there somehow)

+1 Funny. damn, no mod points...

Okay, now here's where we need to spank police (1)

Bob_Who (926234) | about 5 years ago | (#28738807)

This behavior of law enforcement must be punished. Send the gun monkeys to the projects or Afghanastan if they prefer gunfire. But for God's sake, keep these dim wits out of the social networking and online porn because when it mixes with their testosterone and weightlifting they start to act like criminals and thugs. Maybe we can even let them go coach rugby instead, since its a total waste of tax dollars to have them storm trooping facebook parties. The idiots never even figured out that the really "cool" and "hip" and "happening" kids all RUN CIRCLES AROUND THESE BABOONS so they might as well just give it up. The day they actually get an invitation to a rave BEFORE its a bunch of losers is the day the kids find another way to get viral. Sorry thrugs, cheerleaders still don't wan't you around clunking heads, so why not just get a clue and FIGHT CRIME LIKE YOUR OWN INVASION OF PRIVACY. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME WITH YOUR PUNITIVE ATTITUDES AND IMPOTENT LITTLE MINDS. If Police can't exercise common decency and intelligence then we shall pass LAWS that spell it out for them. Job security is not earned by acting like morons. We need to BUST bad behavior from the public servants that we PAY. Unfortunately, the State is run by a bunch of Government Employees.....

C'mon big brother! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738859)

We kicked your government out of our country some 200+ years ago, maybe it's time you guys followed suit?

Love,
The United States of America

Little did they know... (1)

ipX (197591) | about 5 years ago | (#28738881)

...the wtfbbq tag would have been more appropriate :/

At least not everyone was disappeared by way of... (1)

D4C5CE (578304) | about 5 years ago | (#28738889)

...blackbagging [imdb.com] this time, but wait what T.H.E.Y. may have in store for some 11/5 soon. ;-/

Remember, remember that Diesel commercial:
"If we put all (30-year) young people in jail today, we will have no criminals tomorrow!"

This just in..... (2, Insightful)

stuartdb (1590329) | about 5 years ago | (#28738931)

private information on Facebook

Idiots think putting information on internet is private.....

15 friends (2, Insightful)

otter42 (190544) | about 5 years ago | (#28738945)

He'd rented a sound system for 17 friends in a field? Well, I'm not going to judge before all the facts are in, but it seems a little excessive. And considering that local residents had complained about raves in the area before, it seems a little suspect.

However, the fact that the police shut down the party before they had anything more than suspicion is still wrong, I think. If they had the guys assurances that it wasn't a rave, wouldn't it have been enough just to send someone back at 8PM and someone at midnight?

Criminal Justice Bill (4, Interesting)

Inda (580031) | about 5 years ago | (#28738965)

Probably arrested under the Criminal Justice Bill.

I went on two London marches to fight against this bill 15 years ago. They were determined to stop us having free parties, "Illegal Raves" as the media called them. No conveys of more than 6 cars, no parties in fields, no freedom to enjoy life without corporate involvement. In my eyes, this is where CCTV Britain started. This was the start of anti-social laws. The nanny state.

These parties still go on though. Fuck the police.

England Prevails (1)

SeanBlader (1354199) | about 5 years ago | (#28738967)

Is this one of those "England Prevails" moments? Or a "God save the Queen" one? I'm confused.

Facebook != private (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28738971)

| ... private information on Facebook ...

Are you new to the internet? Since when is anything posted on facebook "private"??

Grow a backbone (1)

davro (539320) | about 5 years ago | (#28738977)

Facebook == Baitbook It time to stand up and take the fight to them, these idiots have restricted are liberty for long enough.

"private information on Facebook" (3, Interesting)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 5 years ago | (#28738979)

read that again... breathe... there.... you got it, champ.

step one to being a successful "criminal": don't advertize whatever illegal stuff you're going to do...

and no, facebook is not private...

This is what happens... (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 5 years ago | (#28738999)

This is what happens when you throw money at police to "fight crime" (drugs, prostitution, violence, whatever) and then tie their hands in apprehending criminals (eg. violence, coercion, and so on). The police get bored and start going after stupid things like this, while the rates for violent crime sky-rocket (as they have in Britain since the 1980s).

Re:This is what happens... (1)

jbacon (1327727) | about 5 years ago | (#28739027)

Brilliant plan! Let us untie the hands of police, and give these super-civilians the power to shit all over us peon-civilians to an even larger degree than is already possible. This way, we can eliminate all our violent crime, and replace it with violent justice. But then, there wouldn't really be much of a difference between crime and justice, would there?

RTFA - misleading summary (5, Informative)

Cougem (734635) | about 5 years ago | (#28739015)

1) The police didn't scour facebook - locals did, saw it, and reported it as a rave.

2) The helicopter was out anyway, and they just asked the helicopter to fly over the site to really check if there was a party on its way back

It was not police scouring facebook and dispatching a helicopter.

It embarrasses and annoys me that this happened in my own country, which I do love dearly, but I wont let the usual anti-UK/US/Australia facebook crowd exaggerate it further.

Re:RTFA - misleading summary (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28739097)

Apparently, they had caused problems before and were told to get a license before having the next party.

They acknowledge this by saying they pointed the speakers away from the village to reduce the noise.

If you have ever lived in the country, you know how far sound travels at night. Pointing the speakers in any direction would have little effect.

They knew they had caused problems before, and were told they had to get a license befoe having another party. They failed to observe the warnings. Enough is enough. I would have them boiled in oil.

It is amazing how Slashdot publishes articles with such misleading descriptions. It is becoming a useful exercise to try to analyze the facts as stated, then figure out what to look for to find the truth.

Mike Monett
Midland

It is the LAW people (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 5 years ago | (#28739047)

You see a lot of kiddies complaining along the lines of "a rave shouldn't be illegal". But in britain, it is. Yes, really. Not concerts or parties, but raves.

The reasons are probably that overtime raves became a problem for some and they wanted something done against them. The other side was not intrested in fighting it and so things got passed into law and voila, you got a specific type of party made illegal.

England, believe it or not is still democracy. More so now then in the last couple of decades because it is no longer ensured who is going to win an election in a region. Safe seats aren't that safe anymore.

If YOU don't fight for your rights, then someone else wins with their rights. The problem with raves is simple, it is the struggle between the neighbours who want a quiet night and the party people who don't. Both have rights but they can't both excersise them fully without restricting the other.

So either the ravers turn down the music or the neighbours give up their quiet night. Ideally, both sides should work this out but as you can see on this side, working things out ain't part of human nature. The anti rave laws have come into being to deal with "illegal" events being held at random location with absolutely no care being given for the consequences. This doesn't just upset the neighbours, it upsets others in the entertainment industry. Not entirely fair is it that a local pub has to spend a fortune on sound isolation but a random group can just hold a rave anywhere, break every law that exists, not pay taxes and get away with it?

The law didn't come into place because YOU played techno in your yard and the neighbour complained. It came into being from 1000+ parties being held in location with no fire safety, no securty, causing serious disturbances. Not just noise, but traffic and things like fights breaking out.

The ravers suffered the public wrath and did NOT regulate themselves to fit into society. Of course, that is not a rebel thing to do but it is the thing to do if you don't want society to turn against you. Because as silly as this story is, the average voter (that is people who actually do vote, not just people who can vote) doesn't give a shit. They just see the tabloids depiction of ravers as crazed druggies, heared from someone at work how a rave is a warzone and are all in favor.

Democracy is just another word for dictatorship of the many. The raves that got out of control created these laws, which weren't oppososed by the ravers themselves and now you got this silly situation.

Most laws are silly, but exist because people are silly. If a lot of rave parties didn't cause such a nuisance (you could hold a rave party the same as any other concert and follow laws of fire safety, drugs laws and noise pollution) then there would be no desire to have them restricted. There are laws that says you can't drill into your wall after or before a specific hour in a building that isn't standalone. Why? Because someone found it neccesary to drill all night in an apartment block. Well not SOMEONE. A LOT of someone's. The apartment block is actually a good example, an old flat might easily have several hundred of apartments and drilling in one sound through the entire building. If a person only drill once every 3 years, it takes less then 1000 people to have drilling going on day in day out.

That is the reason there are rave laws and lots of others. Because without them people just can't be consider the affect their action have on others.

Want to protest that? Then don't say "it shouldn't be illegal". You should made sure when the laws were introduced that it didn't become illegal by doing the same thing the petitioners did. Make your case and show that YOUR case benefits the greater good (gets the most people to vote for you).

worst "article" ever (1)

timmarhy (659436) | about 5 years ago | (#28739079)

private information? what kind of retard thinks facebook is private?
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