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Ireland Criminalizes Blasphemy

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the who-wants-a-flogging dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Another European country clamps down on free speech. From the article: 'It does seem bizarre that, in 2009, a modern European nation would seek to shield religious belief from criticism — yet that is what is happening in Ireland right now. In repealing the 1961 Defamation Act, the Irish government sought to expunge the worst excesses of Ireland's draconian laws restricting free speech, but in the process it has ended up making offending religious belief a criminal offence. Aside from a 25,000 fine (reduced from the 100,000 originally sought by the government), the new Defamation Act gives the authorities the power to stage raids on publishers: the courts may now issue a warrant authorising the police to enter, using "reasonable force," premises where they have grounds for believing there are copies of "blasphemous statements."'"

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It's so very odd..... (5, Insightful)

allaunjsilverfox2 (882195) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757525)

It's like watching V for Vendetta in real life. 0.o

Re:It's so very odd..... (3, Insightful)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757559)

Fuck God!
(and Allah, Yahve...)

Attn: MODS (0, Troll)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757841)

The moderation of the above [slashdot.org] acurately depicts the biggotry of /.ers.
I guess they'd gladly keep their one nation "under gawd"...
Fuck them and their virtual undead deities...
and fuck Star Wars/Trek too.

Re:It's so very odd..... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757655)

In the US, people often wonder why the ACLU gets its panties in a knot over seemingly trivial government involvement in religious matters. This kind of shit is why.

If you give the Bible-thumping idiots an inch, they will take the field.

Re:It's so very odd..... (2, Insightful)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757743)

Yep, beginning to feel a little embarrassed by my agnosticism. Best just to hide my true feelings and side with reason.

Re:It's so very odd..... (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757757)

You place the blame at religious people, but on the other side, things like "hate speech" still follows this absurdity of lack of freedom of speech yet there is (comparatively) less uproar about it. We need freedom of speech for absolutely -everything- one thing banned from freedom of speech is one thing too many.

Re:It's so very odd..... (1, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758003)

Reading your post, I can only assume that you must be very young.

Free speech for absolutely everything would mean free speech for planning and advocating genocide and murder.
Free speech for absolutely everything means free speech for fraud and deception.
Free speech for absolutely everything means "fighting words" that provoke another to attack.

I'm glad that I live in a country that carefully regulates certain forms of speech.

Re:It's so very odd..... (2, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757667)

More like Father Ted. You know that Ireland isn't part of the UK, right?

Re:It's so very odd..... (1)

allaunjsilverfox2 (882195) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757741)

Yes, I do understand basic geography. But the concept behind V was overarching political power using media, religion and fear. Something that seems to be sweeping normally sane nations.

Re:It's so very odd..... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757873)

I just get frustrated that people mention V for Vendetta every time a story remotely involving the UK comes along. People could at least provide a bit of variety by mentioning 1984 every now and then if they're always going to compare real life to over the top fiction.

Re:It's so very odd..... (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757821)

Hmm, let's see, major motion picture that has elements relevant to the topic or tv show that's only on the bbc, which one do I use to make an analogy...

You knew enough about V for Vendetta to know it was set in the UK. A good chunk of ./ probably has never seen or heard of Father Ted.

Re:It's so very odd..... (3, Informative)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757973)

It's like watching V for Vendetta in real life. 0.o

it gets worse

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/all-email-text-and-phone-records-to-be-kept-for-2-years-1820026.html [independent.ie]

The records of every email, text and phone call will soon be kept to facilitate criminal investigations.

New laws will be published today obliging internet service providers to store data of email and website activity for a year.

All phone and text traffic from everyone in the country will also be stored for a two-year period.

The GardaÃ, the army and the Revenue Commissioners can access the information as part of investigations into serious crime.

Justice Minister Dermot Ahern says it will be well monitored.

âoeItâ(TM)s very important that the police are able to insist that the data be retained by the Internet companies so that they can prove cases against these people who peddle child porn,â Mr Ahern told RTE radio today as he published the Communications (Retention of Data) Bill.

The Bill implements an EU directive which brings Ireland into line with other EU member states.

god dammit (5, Insightful)

malignant_minded (884324) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757527)

No see its ok. It's with a lowercase g so it's my god and not the real God.

Re:god dammit (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757671)

No see its ok. It's with a lowercase g so it's my god and not the real God.

bite your blasphemous monotheistic tongue!

Re:god dammit (4, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757749)

No, seriously... check out this quote from the article:

Some commentators have sought to portray the blasphemy law as the desperate move of an unpopular ruling party, Fianna FÃil ...

(emphasis added) The Failbus pulled up, and Ireland's ruling party hopped right on in a literal English interpretation of their name.

God hates censorship. (4, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757529)

What happens if I have a religious belief that censorship offends god? Can I get those advocating censorship tried under this law?

Re:God hates censorship. (5, Informative)

LeneJ (190881) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757675)

Ireland is a Catholic country. They are to some degree, still very strict. It's the only European country that has a law against abortion (on religious ground), I believe. The nurses and doctors are not allowed to give information about abortion, even, and England has an influx of Irish girls going over to get an abortion, despite the risk of going to jail.

Re:God hates censorship. (1)

thirty-seven (568076) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758027)

England has an influx of Irish girls going over to get an abortion, despite the risk of going to jail.

Why don't they just go to Northern Ireland?

Jesus titty-fucking Christ (2, Insightful)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757535)

Jesus titty-fucking Christ on a pogo stick, that is a draconian law.

Its 2010 and some people still long for the middle ages.

Re:Jesus titty-fucking Christ (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757637)

Its 2010 and some people still long for the middle ages.

And I was so close to being the first to discover time travel. DARN YOU!

Re:Jesus titty-fucking Christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757997)

It's 2010 already? Damn this year went by fast.

Ok, really? (1, Flamebait)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757545)

Expect this to be coming to the USA, though replace religious beliefs with some far-off claim about terrorism. Also expect it to have full bi-partisan support in congress.

Re:Ok, really? (1, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757773)

Do you ever get tired of blaming the US for every one of the world's ills? Americans can be dumb, but no more or less than Europeans in many ways. Look at British privacy laws, or the anti-muslim shit France is always trying to pull. Face it you guys are no angels either.

Not really (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757959)

Europe, unlike USA, has experienced a true invasion of muslim immigrants and their culture on its territory in recent years. USA didnt because it became far more restrictive about who to let in. UK is particulary open because of all the ol' Empire stuff. It may be just my guess but I have a feeling this law has been influenced by muslim lobby and will mostly be executed towards offending muslim faith, which takes any signs of offence waaay too serious. Unlike any other religion.

Re:Ok, really? (2, Insightful)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758019)

Who marked this interesting? Are you serious?

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Ireland is a Catholic nation whose politicians are all pretty much on the same page concerning religion. There is so much religious diversity in America that defining "blasphemy" from a political standpoint would be impossible without endorsing a single religion. It's not like Christianity is one religion. I'm Lutheran and my church has no problem with abortion or contraceptives. The Catholics find both blasphemous while the Baptists just find abortion to be.

I hope you're not an American because everyone in this country should be aware of our freedoms of speech and religion. Even if congress were to ever pass an anti-blasphemy law all the smaller sects would take it to court and win. The Mormons and Scientologists have more power than you think, also. I couldn't see any Congressman, Republican or Democrat, supporting such a blatantly anti-American law. How do you disguise an anti-blasphemy law as anti-terrorist anyway? "Praise Allah" and "Praise God" mean the same thing and they reference the SAME GOD.

YRO??!! Why Is This On Slashdot?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757567)

This isn't really nerd news here, the online part of this story is ancillary to the main issue.

This isn't news for nerds or stuff that matters.

Re:YRO??!! Why Is This On Slashdot?? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757621)

Free speach is NOT stuff that matters? Wakey wakey ...

Re:YRO??!! Why Is This On Slashdot?? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757709)

Its news because this is something that is out of touch with reality. It shows that a post WWII world is increasingly becoming very dystopian, and nerds read a lot of dystopian fiction and don't want the world to end up like how Orwell saw the future in 1984. The modern world basically decided to get rid of all these stupid laws and regulations after the American and French revolutions and the enlightenment just how WWII and the fall of the USSR marked the end of fascism and communism in the modern world respectively (well, with the exception of China).

Re:YRO??!! Why Is This On Slashdot?? (3, Insightful)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757711)

This isn't really nerd news here, the online part of this story is ancillary to the main issue.

This isn't news for nerds or stuff that matters.

Hmmm... this might seem like "stuff that matters" to people who live in Ireland.

Nobody expects... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757585)

the Irish inquisition!

Re:Nobody expects... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757971)

Norway used to have this law. Life of Brian was actually banned when it came out.

Re:Nobody expects... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757975)

the Irish inquisition... to be sober!

Re:Nobody expects... (2)

HertzaHaeon (1164143) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757981)

Their three weapons are stupidity, narrow-mindedness and oppression of freedom... and and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.

Re:Nobody expects... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757995)

the Irish inquisition!

That's not what I expected....

Will at be enforced fairly? (4, Insightful)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757589)

For example, if someone blasphemes my diety, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, will they be treated the same as somebody who blasphemes against Jesus of Nazareth, (who is clearly an undead minion of Satan?)

Re:Will at be enforced fairly? (3, Interesting)

boaworm (180781) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757685)

If they would also make Jedi an official religion like in Australia (IIRC), so next time people have a Star Trek convention they could go there, start a flamebait topic between Star Wars-fans and Trekkies, and start collecting cash. On the other hand... Trekkies rarely have tons of cash.

1: Pass a law preventing making fun of religion
2: Start a new, silly religion (like I believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing being who needs your MONEY!)
3: Profit!

We don't even need the "???" :-)

Re:Will at be enforced fairly? (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757845)

2: Start a new, silly religion (like I believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing being who needs your MONEY!)

You missed step 2b: Get silly celebrities to become prominent members and spokespersons for you religion.

Worked for L.Ron

Re:Will at be enforced fairly? (1)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757879)

1: Pass a law preventing making fun of religion
2: Start a new, silly religion (like I believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing being who needs your MONEY!)
3: Profit!

They have this. Its called Catholicism.

Re:Will at be enforced fairly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757833)

For example, if someone blasphemes my diety, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, will they be treated the same as somebody who blasphemes against Jesus of Nazareth, (who is clearly an undead minion of Satan?)

No, but if you blaspheme Mohammed expect to have your country's embassies car-bombed [sky.com] and your country's products boycotted [boycottwatch.org]

Re:Will at be enforced fairly? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757989)

"my diety, the Flying Spaghetti Monster"

I wish it were possible to mod something +5 Unintentionally Funny.

Blinded by Religion (5, Insightful)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757595)

This is the biggest reason why I can't stand religion. If you are so frightened by others' opinions as to attack them if they disagree with you then you have no right to make any decisions. It's the same with censorship. If you don't like it, ignore it.

Can we outlaw thinking for ourselves while we're at it? (/s)

Re:Blinded by Religion (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757649)

Can we outlaw thinking for ourselves while we're at it? (/s)

Sarcasm aside, not thinking for yourself is not mandatory yet but it is strongly encouraged so I don't think you'll need to wait too long. This is definitely quite a good start for Ireland. As another poster mentioned I wonder in what form and when this is coming to the US?

Religion didn't call for this (2, Informative)

Reziac (43301) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757707)

In fact, per TFA, the Church has nothing to do with it. Rather, it's the Big Brother socialist control freak segment of the political class.

The article makes many excellent points. Read it, even if doing so is against *your* religion.

Re:Religion didn't call for this (2, Insightful)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757857)

The church might not be asking for it directly, but it is still being done because of religion. Same outcome either way except I would expect it coming directly from the church.

Re:Blinded by Religion (4, Insightful)

JeanPaulBob (585149) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757851)

This is the biggest reason why I can't stand religion. If you are so frightened by others' opinions as to attack them if they disagree with you then you have no right to make any decisions. It's the same with censorship. If you don't like it, ignore it.

Can we outlaw thinking for ourselves while we're at it? (/s)

Hmm... Does broad-brushing "religion" with criticism that should be aimed at "forced religion" count as "thinking for yourself"?

I suppose it does. Sloppy, unreasonable thinking is still thinking, after all. It just doesn't deserve any more respect than what you're (rightly) criticizing.

Re:Blinded by Religion (1)

iloveGod08 (1367609) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758009)

I'm a christian and this blatant censorship is a huge no in my book. Freedom is a double edged sword and I, for one, don't mind hearing the other side if anything just to provoke critical thinking from all sides.

I feel sorry for all Irish black metal bands... (3, Funny)

meketrefi (1590185) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757601)

I feel sorry for all Irish black metal bands and for those in Ireland that would expect Cradle of Filth to play there...

Chilling (4, Insightful)

Jawn98685 (687784) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757613)

...and I mean that literally. When I read that a modern western country has enacted a law that allows for the prosecution of the "crime" of "blasphemy", I got a cold chill down my spine. What's next? Imprisonment and torture for various forms of heresy?
WTF?

Re:Chilling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757835)

But it's OK for those same western countries to suppress/fine/jail Christian theologians who preach that homosexuality is a sin?

Re:Chilling (1)

VirginMary (123020) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758011)

> But it's OK for those same western countries to suppress/fine/jail Christian theologians who preach that homosexuality is a sin?

Yes, yes it is!

Re:Chilling (1)

ForShizzle (1365021) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757867)

In this day, all it takes is enough money and you can really push about any agenda you want. In the USA, we have religious conservatives who wish to align our constitution with the laws of the christian bible. With the right amount of money and persuasion, we could be facing the exact sort of thing that Ireland is dealing with. That being, making it a crime to say anything blasphemous regarding jesus and pals. While I honestly believe most politicians use the christian religion as a means to further their political gains, there are still enough people in this country who do 'cling to their guns and bibles' to make the threat of a theocracy a feasible reality. All you need is the right amount of money and a mastermind with a horrible vision to high jack a country. It could happen any time and it scares the hell right out of me!

God is smart; Religion is stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757619)

'nuff said

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice (4, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757623)

Isn't it funny how the religionists keep whining about antagonistic and mean atheists are, and how that is their primary rebuttal to the arguments of public intellectuals like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and yet, given the free hand to manipulate the government, they go and pass laws like this. They'd do it in America too, have done it in the past, if not for that pesky First Amendment and the strident efforts of "militant" atheists and civil rights organizations.

Re:Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice (5, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757863)

Its true. They keep saying how religion is under attack... but whats so under attack?

It doesn't matter whether the issue is abortion, same sex marriage, prayer in school, its always the same broken record about how they need to "defend", and they are "under attack". Yet, are never able to actually articulate how other people having choices in life constitutes an attack on them and theirs.

Apparently its an attack on their youth because of their children were to grow up with choices, they might choose not to be boneheaded, zombie worshiping, fucktards, and THEN what would happen to the world?!?

I recently saw a facebook discussion between an old friend who went hardcore muslim and some of her friends about opening a dialog with other "people of the book" but how "we have to be sure they know we see them as wrong and they need to come to the light of allah" and all that bullshit.

All the same bullshit, all the same "we are the victim", "our way of life is under attack". All just sounding like somebody needs to grow the fuck up and realize that its a big world and not everyone is going to be duped into believing in some random set of myths about some god that you can't see, hear, touch, or taste, but assuredly, must exist.... and all the other mythological beings that you also can't see hear, touch, or taste must obviously not exist.

Yet their all powerful god can't protect them from a small number of people who aren't even organized, and couldn't care less what silly crap they waste their time with. Yes, they have a very powerful god indeed.

-Steve

Re:Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice (0)

strack (1051390) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757887)

"Criminalizes Blasphemy." yeah dude. this is a atheist plot alright. you just hit it right on the head.

Cue the next Soutpark episode! (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757645)

Seriously, the Southpark guys are frikken heroes when it comes to freedom of speech and expression and trampling on stupidity. They depicted Muhammad without causing riots somehow. They exposed scientology to the world for all its ridiculousness and countless other things. Southpark needs to create an answer to all of this and the spokesperson for Ireland really needs to be the Lucky Charms guy ... and/or the Irish Spring guy going around and cutting into everyone's soap.

Religion is a choice that people make. It is rooted into culture and geography and nearly all other aspects of human existence, but it is not beyond question or criticism.

All hail the flying spaghetti monster.

Re:Cue the next Soutpark episode! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757929)

"I'm sorry Mormon was the correct religion."

"Ooooohhhhh..."

Re:Cue the next Soutpark episode! (3, Interesting)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757991)

FYI, in one of the best displays of irony in recent memory, Comedy Central actually censored the image of Muhammad during that South Park episode. I shit you not.

Tonight At 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757663)

U.S.A. to follow shortly

Fuck Ireland.

Yours In Allah,
Kilgore Trout

And yet some people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757679)

still don't understand why we don't want a united ireland...

Wait I thought this only happened in the US! (0, Flamebait)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757683)

or at least that is what I'm told by my hip American hating Euro friends. Nice to know you guys are just as dumb as we are really.

Re:Wait I thought this only happened in the US! (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757809)

or at least that is what I'm told by my hip American hating Euro friends. Nice to know you guys are just as dumb as we are really.

Europeans tend to have a medieval view of speech rights. This isn't surprising at all if you look at Europe as a whole.

Parse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757717)

I parsed it as [offending religious belief]{is-a}[criminal offence]. I guess it's supposed to parse [offending][religious belief]{is-a}[criminal offence].

I like my parse better. It's all offensive to me. Was so looking forward to slap the next batch of jesus-mongers down when they ring the door.

'It's been 10 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment'. Yet here I am, trying to post another one. Wasting time. For what? Because my lowid, full karma account can't be trusted with posting twice within 10 minutes? Jesus Fucking Christ that's as stupid as a Christian who's never heard of Gilgamesh.

As a Religious / Spiritual Person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757725)

...I find this to be terrible. I don't like it when people run around with "fuck god" and "religious people are all idiots", but it should not be a criminal act to have those opinions and voice them. This is a step towards yet another police state. I never expected something like this out of Ireland - maybe France, or Britain, or California.

Thats Why I use a French Domain Registrar (3, Interesting)

kk49 (829669) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757729)

My domains are Blasphemous in English and the French Government seems refuse to recognise English and France is pretty ant-religious zealotry to boot.

As a Christian...... (1, Informative)

Kr1ll1n (579971) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757731)

I find laws like this incredibly offensive, but my second biggest problem (other than the law itself) is those so mentally weak as to blame religion for it. Did you miss the part where the government was seeking fines of 100k? Stuff like this is just a money grab. Some minor sect of the populous agrees with it, it becomes law, and the one entity responsible for it, the government rarely gets the blame.

Re:As a Christian...... (1)

spaten (513670) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758007)

money grab? i seriously doubt it.

if those in power were simply looking for a money grab, they'd slap a tax or fine like this on something much more mundane that would slip through the news tendrils without even a wince.

to use something as incredibly inciting as this for the base of nothing more than a money grab seems a bit daft, even for those in political power.

Guinness is Piss! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757753)

Take that, Defamation Act!

Ugh (3, Insightful)

sircastor (1051070) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757793)

I'm a very religious person and this kind of stuff makes me sick. One of the foundations of my country is that it has no state-sponsored religion, or that it's not a (specific) religion-sponsored state. Governments have responsibility to protect their citizens from harm, but not at the expense of freedom. I may not agree with what you teach, what you share, what you distribute, but it is your God-given right (or as some may prefer, your natural right, or Spaghetti-given right) to believe, practice, share, and disagree. This kind of thing is a tragedy as it will hamper the rights of individuals and their ability to express themselves.

Better than the alternative! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757815)

Seriously this Irish law certainly has precendent. A few millenia ago they'd crucify anybody silly enough to offend the established religious order!

Step 2 (4, Insightful)

JJJK (1029630) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757847)

I guess now it's up to the religious leaders to redefine what "blasphemy" means. We'll see what they come up with...

So when a religious person and an atheist meet and say something like "I find your views completely ridiculous" at the same time to each other then the religious person can sue the atheist but not vice versa?
Reminds me of this [smbc-comics.com]

Blasphemy. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757853)

a victimless crime.

When Blasphemy is outlawed, only Blasphemers... (2, Insightful)

number6x (626555) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757889)

If I had 2p for every time my grandmother took the lord's name in vain, I'd have enough to pay off several offender's fines.

This is a woman who used to carry food to republican fighters hiding in fields and graveyards at night during the revolution.

Though she was a deeply devout woman, she would have had no qualms about any divine beings know just how screwed up they were. If she felt she should take the belt to God or Jesus, no blasphemy laws would have stopped her.

If they classify the abuse of minors by clergy and religious orders as a form of blasphemy, there might night be enough room in gaol.

Good Luck!

Typo in title (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757891)

Surely it was supposed to read "Afghanistan Criminalizes Blashphemy" or "Iran Criminalizes Blashphemy". This isn't supposed to happen in "modern", "enlightened" western countries.

Jesus Christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28757897)

Perhaps the Second Coming is upon us?

How is this different from "hate speech" (1, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757903)

I realize that most people are going to be complaining about this without reading the article.

So my question is, how is this different than shielding from "hate speech" about... say, homosexuality? Go look at Canada's laws. It's pretty much against the law to say anything bad about homosexuality up there, from what I understand from some Canadian friends that I have.

I'm not saying this law is a good thing. I'm a pretty conservative Christian, in fact, and I don't particularly think this is a good law, and I think if anything it will drive more people away. Plus it kind of implies a religion-set-up-by-government, which - Ireland being "Catholic" and thus claiming to believe in Jesus Christ from the Bible - is NOT what Jesus talked about. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to have the law - and I don't see how anyone else can say "this law is wrong!" without some basis for what is right or wrong. However, I don't see that it's necessarily right either. Just explaining my conservative Christian viewpoint. I think most slashdotters are going to be thinking that conservative Christians are going to think this is a great thing.

Anyways. I'm still interested in knowing why this is any more frightening, annoying, upsetting, infuriating, unfair, or censoring than saying I can't tell people that being gay is ... hmmm, let's say, condemned by God, or ... bad for humanity ... or morally bad ... or bad for society... or any number of other "bad" things that would be "hate" speech in some countries.

I'm not asking if it IS condemned, bad, or hateful. I'm asking how this is different, just because it's a different belief. Yes, belief. Homosexuality being good or bad for society is a belief, too...

Re:How is this different from "hate speech" (2, Insightful)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757955)

"how is this different than shielding from "hate speech" about"

There isn't any difference. Which is why so many people are against hate speech laws.

not a religious thing (3, Informative)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757909)

From the article, which is just one journalist's opinion:

while the Catholic Church grumbles about a decline in spiritual values it has not actually demanded this law, nor are there many votes to be picked up on a âCatholic Irelandâ(TM) ticket. Even the other usual suspects, the âmad mullahsâ(TM) of Islam, are notable by their absence from the debate. Put simply, the religious lobby is not behind the move to criminalise blasphemy.

Dawkins appears to have misunderstood the nature of the proposed legislation. The reintroduction of blasphemy as an offence isnâ(TM)t evidence of Ireland backsliding into traditional religious superstition â" in fact, it shows just how up-to-date Ireland is when it comes to contemporary conceits.

In fact, the new law is a very modern phenomenon. Rather than harking back to the days of God-fearing, or at least priest-fearing, Ireland, the blasphemy law has more in common with contemporary politically correct measures of social control.

Good luck with that (3, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757927)

I'm of Irish ancestry. I've been to Ireland. Stopping blasphemy would require shuttering the Guinness plant and every bar in Ireland, and believe me, that will cause a LOT more swearing!

As an American, allow me to say... (2, Insightful)

DragonPup (302885) | more than 4 years ago | (#28757951)

Fuck the corrupt politicians and religious leaders of Ireland who passed this travesty of freedom. In fact, I hope they just fuck themselves rather than underage boys. Again. Oh, and a special fuck you to the religious leaders whose faith is so weak they can not stand any criticism of their beliefs.

Three questions (1)

Gauchito (657370) | more than 4 years ago | (#28758001)

Although I probably know the answer to the first one:<BR>

1)  Is it strictly blasphemy against Christianity?  Or any religion?  So would, say, a certain book that refers to a particularly religion's verses as being satanic be outlawed in Ireland?

2)  Kind of follows from the first one in a way.  Does that mean the Irish judges will now be deciding what is blasphemy or what isn't?  If they cast a wide net on affected religions, does that mean that they'll need to be theologians on several major religions for this law not be the so obviously biased for Christians?

3)  Scary freedom of speech backpedaling and medieval thinking resurgeance aside (two dumb enough reasons not to do this), is this a monumentally stupid law to pass in a country that not so long ago and for the longest time had half of the country at the other half's throat based on to which Christian sect they belonged?  The first Protestant judge that passes this judgement on a Catholic or vice versa will, I expect, be somewhat explosive.

The country of paganism? orly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28758031)

Color me surprised....but this also goes to show you how arbitrary laws are. They can be about anything and can just as easily be more about conformity than justice.

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