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Microsoft Exec Says, "You'll Miss Vista"

samzenpus posted about 5 years ago | from the cold-day-in-hell dept.

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Oracle Goddess writes "'Years from now, when you've moved on to Windows 7, you'll look back at Windows Vista fondly. You'll remember its fabulous attributes, not its flaws.' That's the opinion of Steve Guggenheimer, vice president of the OEM division at Microsoft. 'I think people will look back on Vista after the Windows 7 release and realize that there were actually a bunch of good things there,' Guggenheimer said in a recent interview. 'So it'll actually be interesting to see in two years what the perception is of Vista.' A dissenting opinion comes from Bob Nitrio, president of system builder Ranvest Associates, doesn't believe organizations that skipped Vista will ever regret their decision. 'I don't think for a second that people are suddenly going to love Windows 7 so much that they will experience deep pangs of regret for not having adopted Vista,' said Nitrio. If I had to bet, I'd go with Bob's take on it." My first thought was, Steve meant Windows 7 is designed to be virtually unusable as payback for all the complaints about Vista, but I might be biased.

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Windows 7 is Vista SP3 (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812413)

So you won't have to look far to see Vista...

Thanks to Vista's crapiness (2)

zymano (581466) | about 5 years ago | (#28812841)

No ones older hardware works anymore.

pretty sure some of the corrupt companies went along for the ride.

Thanks HP. My scanjet scanner wont work anymore. have to use the XP live cd.

Fuck Ballmer. Fuck Gates.

Re:Thanks to Vista's crapiness (3, Informative)

greatica (1586137) | about 5 years ago | (#28812979)

Yep, two of my scanners died in Vista. At work we can afford to order new ones. At home, Microsoft lost a customer to Linux.

A customer who happens to be an IT manager with a newfound respect for FOSS and a dislike for complex licensing.

Re:Windows 7 is Vista SP3 (0, Offtopic)

clang_jangle (975789) | about 5 years ago | (#28812995)

*sob* You guys are gonna be sorry when I'm gone! *sniff*
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Business schemes of an effective monopoly (3, Insightful)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 5 years ago | (#28813133)

A profitable business scheme for Microsoft is calling an update to a product by an entirely new name.

Another profitable scheme is charging the full price for an upgrade, as though it is a totally new product.

My understanding is that releasing versions of products that aren't finished is also profitable for Microsoft, because then most customers buy new versions immediately. Microsoft Windows Vista, Windows ME, and DOS 3.0 are three examples I think of immediately.

Secretly... (5, Funny)

vertinox (846076) | about 5 years ago | (#28812419)

I miss Windows ME.

What? Why is everyone looking at me like that?

Re:Secretly... (3, Funny)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | about 5 years ago | (#28812591)

Never miss again, with the RJX-21 Laser Scope []

Re:Secretly... (2, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | about 5 years ago | (#28812793)

if it runs Windows ME you just might.

Re:Secretly... (3, Funny)

Flea of Pain (1577213) | about 5 years ago | (#28813207)

What about the best Windows version of all...Windows CEMENT!! []

Re:Secretly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812777)

Windows ME made me feel good, because it was all about ME.

"You'll miss Vista" (3, Insightful)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | about 5 years ago | (#28812887)

Only because we haven't been practicing our aim enough.

And what sort of idiot comment is that really from someone at the company? "You'll miss the old product we're replacing." I mean his entire comments are ridiculous. We'll miss the "good things" implying that Windows 7 has removed them.

Surely saying "All that DRM crap that stole your resources and restricted you in Vista... That IS missing from Windows 7" would be the only GOOD thing to miss.

One good thing about winME (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#28813025)

Is that it made a lot of 'pc service guys' money.

Re:Secretly... (0, Redundant)

sheepofblue (1106227) | about 5 years ago | (#28813101)

OK Bob

Re:Missing Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813235)

Most average users are really complaining about IE8 and Office 2007 when they say VISTA. Of course, there are all the old applications that ran on XP and won't run in VISTA that creates some additional ire.

Re:Secretly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813337)

For me Windows ME never crashed.

I cannot say that about XP or Vista. Once you turned all the unnecessary garbage features that separated 98 and ME it was one of the most stable windows releases ever. Just turn off auto backup, auto everything and never turn it off. Shut down to sleep mode and there will be no crashes. Funny thing is I upgraded the install to XP and ran it for 3 years before it crashed. I literally took the HD out of an AMD k6-3 and put it in a Athlon XP. Never reinstalled it just booted up and looked for Windows driver updates.

The crash was due to ram failure that made the HD corrupt.

and I miss VT-100's (2, Insightful)

hawk (1151) | about 5 years ago | (#28813417)

Their text was such a pretty green color, and they could scroll text pixel-line by pixel-line instead of by text rows (or was that just the VT-102?).

I suppose that one could have a similar reminiscence for the vista background color . . .


Do they mean... (5, Funny)

FlyByPC (841016) | about 5 years ago | (#28812437)

...that Windows 7 will be horrific enough to make us miss Vista? Wow.

I missed Vista (3, Insightful)

spun (1352) | about 5 years ago | (#28812567)

And I plan on missing Windows 7, as well.

Re:I missed Vista (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813515)

Good luck running your computer without a Windows on it.

Re:Do they mean... (2, Insightful)

Bigby (659157) | about 5 years ago | (#28812659)

That was my impression of the summary. What a stupid comment for an Executive to make.

Re:Do they mean... (2, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | about 5 years ago | (#28812851)

Same. I took it as a threat.

Re:Do they mean... (2, Funny)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | about 5 years ago | (#28813059)

You'll remember its fabulous attributes, not its flaws.'

Maybe he is mocking and deriding his end users by implying that they forget faster than an amnesia-stricken goldfish, and is counting on their short attention spans to distract them from ... OOOH! Look! Something shiny!

Well (1)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | about 5 years ago | (#28812445)

I mean, I guess that's how we all feel about Windows ME. Right? Totally.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812665)

that was my first thought

Mod parent up! (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | about 5 years ago | (#28813315)

I don't think I've ever wished I had mod points as much as I do right now! Well said. They should have just let it die quietly. Reading this just reminded me of the bad memories...the fact that they went backwards in intuitiveness of the GUI, not to mention performance, stability, and HW / SW support. The biggest thing that I like about Windows 7 is that it's NOT VISTA!!!!! The unmitigated audacity of Guggenheimer spouting this crap should get him fired. Nothing worse than a corporate Yes-man in my eyes, especially when it is in public, and it's such obvious horseshit. Windows XP was what Me was supposed to be, and Win7 is what Vista should have been. Maybe if they skipped this trash and concentrated on the real deal they'd actually get some kind of decent reputation back.

Miss? (3, Funny)

The_church_of_funzie (940003) | about 5 years ago | (#28812467)

That will only matter if we don't buy more ammo!

Why will they miss Vista? Thats that mean 7 Sucks? (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 5 years ago | (#28812471)

We're all going to miss it when we upgrade to windows 7 :)

I like vista in many ways, but not enough. Its still a poor OS in terms of UI, DRM, memory usage, and features.

BUT i do like that MS has been able to force hardware makers to supply 64bit and 32bit drivers for their hardware.

Re:Why will they miss Vista? Thats that mean 7 Suc (1)

tixxit (1107127) | about 5 years ago | (#28812919)

Unfortunately, they were not able to force software vendors to create Vista-compatible versions. While, I agree, Vista had many useful features, unsupported software is probably what held back most companies. I mean, speed-wise, it didn't matter it was marginally slower, it was being sold on computers that were significantly faster. However, some of the more obscure software used around here (but very important) was not running on Vista correctly until recently. No, its not MS' fault, but sometimes some crappy piece of software written by horrible code monkeys is more important to our organization then a shiny new OS. That said, I do applaud them for getting people to realize that backwards compatibility is not a given.

"You'll miss Vista" (2, Funny)

mayberry42 (1604077) | about 5 years ago | (#28812483)

Wait! So, they're saying Windows 7 is actually going to be worse?

Maybe... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812493)

...but after I realign the sites on my rifle, I doubt it.

Re:Maybe... (1)

tempest69 (572798) | about 5 years ago | (#28812771)

well the box is large and shiny.. should be a reasonable standing rifle target at 100 yards.

Really Now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812501)

My Uncle Bob still misses Windows 98 and is mad at me because I wont install it on his new HP

Re:Really Now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812989)

While I'm aware you may be (probably are) joking, have you looked into virtualization?

Re:Really Now (1)

ChefInnocent (667809) | about 5 years ago | (#28813293)

Win98 SE was a reasonably good OS (from MS). It's easy to use, quick to boot on new hardware, and does everything most home users want. Is it secure? Not really, but most home users don't think about that. I'd guess most home versions of Vista & soon to be Win7 aren't either. If my uncle asked me for Win98, I would install it without much after thought. One of the nice features of the OS was that you could reload it on your box every month, and never have to call MS. So, I'd say I miss Win 98, but I doubt I'll ever miss Vista. I won't miss XP either.

Dear Mr. Guggenheimer (1)

xednieht (1117791) | about 5 years ago | (#28812511)

You are full of shit. KK Thanks

Threat (4, Funny)

gambit3 (463693) | about 5 years ago | (#28812513)

You know, that sounds like a threat to me...

I may miss Vista (5, Funny)

mcmonkey (96054) | about 5 years ago | (#28812515)

But just give me time to reload.

Uh no? (1)

CrimsonKnight13 (1388125) | about 5 years ago | (#28812525)

I'm looking forward to 7 & forever denouncing any future installations of Vista. I do miss 98 SE though. 2K was nice & XP gave better gaming performance but overall 7 is where my preference lies.

What's with all the Steve's? (1)

XPeter (1429763) | about 5 years ago | (#28812533)

Seriously. Guggenheimer, Ballmer, Jobs, and Wozniak. That name must have something to do with their products...

Re:What's with all the Steve's? (1)

starglider29a (719559) | about 5 years ago | (#28812697) []

From the Greek word for "Crown". It must go to their head.

Coincidentally, Stephen was the first recorded Christian martyr... thus setting the precedent for that name as being equated with "the Ultimate Fanboi."

Re:What's with all the Steve's? (1)

mustafap (452510) | about 5 years ago | (#28812897)

How could you possibly put Wozniak in the same sentence as Ballmer! Shame on you!

Re:What's with all the Steve's? (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | about 5 years ago | (#28813255)

Don't forget the great green Steve [] .

Alas, poor Vista (5, Funny)

Anonymusing (1450747) | about 5 years ago | (#28812581)

(holding the empty remains of a Vista Ultimate package)

Alas, poor Vista! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent eye candy: he hath booted me on his disks a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rims at it. Here hung those dialog boxes that I have clicked I know not how oft. Where be your gibes now? your gambols? your MP3s? your flashes of BSOD, that were wont to set the table on a roar? Not one now, to mock your own grinning? quite chap-fallen?

Now get you to Windows 7's chamber, and tell her, let her Photoshop an inch thick, to this favour she must come; make her laugh at that.

Re:Alas, poor Vista (2, Insightful)

failedtoinit (994448) | about 5 years ago | (#28812717)

Sigh, I find this after I've already spent all my mod points. Excellent parody, well played!

Re:Alas, poor Vista (1)

unitron (5733) | about 5 years ago | (#28812973)

And of course I find it 15 minutes after my points expired.

Re:Alas, poor Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813193)

"My gorge rims at it."

I love the reference but the quote was "My gorge rises" not "rims". He was physically ill seeing his old friend's skull.

Re:Alas, poor Vista (3, Interesting)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28813471)

This is quite possibly the best Slashdot post I've ever read.

Coaster (2, Funny)

sgt scrub (869860) | about 5 years ago | (#28812587)

Maybe occasionally, but my Vista coasters are used way more often then the WindowsME ones.

How? (3, Funny)

goober1473 (714415) | about 5 years ago | (#28812601)

How exactly will I miss something that I have never used?

Re:How? (4, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 5 years ago | (#28813463)

Well, sounds like you missed it to me.

Title misleading, er, totally wrong (5, Interesting)

devleopard (317515) | about 5 years ago | (#28812603)

This proves how incompetent the /. story moderators are. The actual quote says nothing about MISSING Vista. It only says you'll appreciate it. The idea is this: Vista has an overall bad user experience, so all new features of Vista are generally lumped into the "bad" category. With an operating system that corrects those flaws, yet keeps what are supposedly nice innovations, you'll eliminating "guilt by association", and people can appreciate them for what they are.

Re:Title misleading, er, totally wrong (3, Informative)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about 5 years ago | (#28813391)

This is the problem with anti-MS zealotry. There are a LOT of cool improvements in Vista which any geek would appreciate, many of which are not present in Linux. For example, per application volume control, network and disk access priority levels for processes, superfetch etc. [] All those have been swept under the carpet of twitter style 'lalalala M$' discussion and moderation. This is not really a news for nerds site.

The only improvement I've found in Vista (2, Interesting)

JSBiff (87824) | about 5 years ago | (#28812617)

Having used Vista for awhile, there's only 1 improvement I can actually think of: the sound mixer/volume control thing in Vista will let you mute or control volumes of individual applications.

Not the most earth-shaking thing in the world (most apps have a mechanism built in to do volume control or mute the sound, but not all, so it is nice; and some apps bury sound control in layers of menu that make it a pain to quickly mute them).

Also, I see no reason why that couldn't have been done in XP, other than MS wanted to have something to tout as an improvement in Vista.

Re:The only improvement I've found in Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813257)

Yup, I second that. I've used Vista and 2008 server, and the volume control is the ONLY improvement.

My job or promotion is in the hamper. (1)

moankey (142715) | about 5 years ago | (#28812627)

Perhaps some sort of job saving move by this Guggenheimer. If anything I think many will really miss XP, regretfully.

"Years from now..." (4, Funny)

brennanw (5761) | about 5 years ago | (#28812679)

"Years from now, you'll look back at Vista and realise how horribly you wronged it. If only you'd known! If only you'd seen the truth! But it's too late now, because Vista is dead, it died alone and unloved, spurned by the coldness of your heart and your disdain for it's ungainly sincerity. Now you find yourself wedded to an operating system that is capable but distant, it's caresses mechanical and devoid of warmth. You'll spend your nights lying in its cold embrace and think 'oh! Vista! How I wish I'd stuck with you instead of reaching for the stars!' But it will be too late. Vista is gone, and all that remains is an echo of a memory that could have been."

Yes, some will look back fondly (4, Funny)

stox (131684) | about 5 years ago | (#28812705)

Vista has done more to promote the use of Linux in the Office than anything yet. We can only hope that Windows 7 continues this fine tradition.

What is up with the jew tag? did this become storm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812715)

What is up with the jew tag? did this become stormfront?

Miss What? (1)

lawnboy5-O (772026) | about 5 years ago | (#28812721)

What's Vista? When did it come out? Who makes it?

Re:Miss What? (1)

ioshhdflwuegfh (1067182) | about 5 years ago | (#28813099)

What's Vista? When did it come out? Who makes it?

I believe it's some kind of operating system from Microsoft.

Re:Miss What? (1)

lawnboy5-O (772026) | about 5 years ago | (#28813439)

Their still in business?

Re:Miss What? (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | about 5 years ago | (#28813505)

It's the OS from MS, destined briefly for greatness in 2007, but quickly overshadowed by the superior Mojave.

I already missed it... (1)

Xerotope (777662) | about 5 years ago | (#28812735)

I don't have it on any of my machines and haven't really had to use it.

WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28812739)

Either this proves the bubble the dumb@sses live in, or they expect Windows 7 to be worse.

SOBs don't get it. (4, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 5 years ago | (#28812763)

As an end user, I don't want to notice my OS at ALL.

Re:SOBs don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813131)

I suggest giving Google Chrome OS a try.

Rose-colored Glasses (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | about 5 years ago | (#28812769)

Sounds like Guggenheimer is betting on nostalgia. It's not uncommon for the mind's eye to view the past with rose-colored glasses. People forget past hardships and latch on to fond memories. Given enough time, I'm sure the same will happen with Vista.

Which might eventually put Vista on the same footing as The A-Team and Transformers.

I actually preferred WinMe to Vista (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 5 years ago | (#28812781)

That doesn't mean I loved WinMe. I only had it because I was skint when I came to the UK and had to use a 2nd hand computer that had WinMe. I learned with very careful management it wasn't that bad and it at least looked like Win 98 so I could pretend I had Win 98.

Vista moved too many things around, tried to look like Mac in a typical PC "too nerdy to get style" way and it was bloated. What's there to like about that?

What a stupid thing to say.. (1)

greywire (78262) | about 5 years ago | (#28812821)

Who cares, even if it came to pass?

All that matters is that people thought Vista sucked while it was their main OS product. They lost sales and lost brand loyalty and image because Vista sucked while it was on sale. Who cares if people look back on it fondly in the future after its no longer for sale?

It really goes to show the arrogance of Microsoft. They're still sticking to their belief that Vista was f*cking awesome and we all were just too lame to see it, they think history will prove them correct. That sort of attitude and obstinance isn't going to help their business.

Hes right!!! I will miss vista (2, Funny)

smd75 (1551583) | about 5 years ago | (#28812823)

I missed it alright. I didn't upgrade to vista, but went from XP to 7. Damn.

I, for one, already miss Vista. (1)

BlueKitties (1541613) | about 5 years ago | (#28812843)

I upgraded to XP last year, and I do remember the fond times I had with Vista. Loading the OS, seeing the new sleek Aero Theme... wondering why my apps had stopped working. Why, that very same day I upgraded not only Vista, but most of everything else I had! Good times, good times. Then there was the security guard, who warned me it was a bad idea to allow this file to open which may be bad so maybe I shouldn't do it so make sure I'm sure just in case are you sure yes okay maybe okay are you sure yes or no? But seriously, I think the creator of this article was eating popcorn when he posted it. Like throwing a cat to the dogs...

Miss Vista ?? (2, Informative)

Archfeld (6757) | about 5 years ago | (#28812867)

Yeah I've been shooting at it for like 3 years now and still haven't hit it, so I guess I will just keep on missing it. Seriously I've never even installed it on a system, and have ripped it out of like 30. I really doubt it will be missed anymore than say polio, or whooping cough.

Re:Miss Vista ?? (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | about 5 years ago | (#28812925)

I have never installed it our bought a system pre-installed. I might have touched a machine once that was using it. I still run XP-Pro. It works perfectly.

Fondly, heh. (1)

greatica (1586137) | about 5 years ago | (#28812893)

Windows 98 was what Windows 95 should have been.
Windows XP was what Windows ME should have been.
Windows 7 is going to be "what Vista should have been."

However in this case, Windows 7 is barely different than Vista. The only reasons I hated Vista was:

1. Like previous MS operating systems, they relied too heavily on Moore's Law. Only this time it bit them. Requirements for reasonable use were way too high, and hardware didn't catch up until just recently. On the contrary, people were used to their 5 year old XP running nice and quickly.

2. Vendors were still failing with drivers left and right, and then there was the whole 64 bit thing that people had been refusing to embrace.

3. The interface change was "different".

What's actually different in Windows 7? Nada. It was supposed to run faster than Vista, but the closer it gets to release time, the more I hear of "The speed is about the same, but at least our hardware has matured now."

Vendors who didn't build drivers for Vista are finally saying "Gee, we're two operating systems behind so maybe we should support Windows 7." Vendors who previously built drivers for Vista did little to no tweaking to get things working for 7. So now your support is covered.

Virtually nothing has changed other than our hardware finally caught up, and people are adjusting to the "Vista"-esque UI. So once people get used to Windows 7, err, "Vista SP3", the dumb ones will say "Why was Vista so bad?" The semi-smart ones will say "Why did we waste our money on an operating system that's not new?", and the geniuses will be cleaning up on the 2nd-hand market building home Linux servers.

This can only mean one thing... (3, Funny)

phillymjs (234426) | about 5 years ago | (#28812903)

Microsoft has finally succeeded at copying the Apple Reality Distortion Field!

Yep, I'll remeber it fondly, (1)

mustafap (452510) | about 5 years ago | (#28812949)

like I fondly remember Dysentery

last refuge (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | about 5 years ago | (#28812955)

*sob* You're gona miss me when I'm gone, just wait and see *sniff*

Ummm no. (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#28813007)

I didn't even install it, so how could i miss it? I don't miss WinME either.

Unless he means that 7 will be so bad it will make Vista look good?

He is correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813013)

It makes OS X look like a piece of crap

if true, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813119)

why did it take all-powerful Microsfot 9 years to catch up?

If we skipped it... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 5 years ago | (#28813039) my family and friends and employer did, howinhell could we look back on it fondly?

Wow, talk about losing touch with reality...

!theonion hahaha! (1)

rawiswar (1605157) | about 5 years ago | (#28813087)

now, there is someone vying at Ballmer's job .... I mean being a wacko of course ... BIOS shut down my PC because the processor was overheating .... my pc came with XP Pro and it was Vista certified (of course).... :P Vista.

Pop Up (1)

erbbysam (964606) | about 5 years ago | (#28813093)

I got a weird pop-up last night on my Vista box, it greyed out the rest of my screen and read:

How much will you miss Windows Vista?

and had two choices:

"A lot" or "Like Michael Jackson"

Biased? (1)

exley (221867) | about 5 years ago | (#28813125)

On Slashdot? Say it ain't so! This is where I come for fair & balanced news for nerds.

Re:Biased? (1)

Kr4u53 (955252) | about 5 years ago | (#28813299)


Reef or??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813143)

I want what he's smoking - must be strong :)

For the record, other than Win ME, Vista is the WORST os I have ever used - bar none...
Mind you, I do miss the three minute boot times - it was just enough time to make a coffee :)

Probably not far from the truth (1)

seekret (1552571) | about 5 years ago | (#28813167)

This may actually not be far from the truth for Windows users. We tend to look back on all memories and remember only the fond parts, or exaggerate how great the past was. That combined with the fact that most of the Vista hate was due to the OS being released when it wasn't ready and full of bugs and bloat will cause people to look back and remember how it was now. Rosy Retrospection [] I'm not a Windows user but I do think that Vista has come a long way since its release, my Windows fanboy friends praise the fixes Microsoft has done to it with the service pack and the following patches.

What is this guy smoking?... (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | about 5 years ago | (#28813187)

They should have just let it die quietly. Reading this just reminded me of the bad memories...the fact that they went backwards in intuitiveness of the GUI, not to mention performance, stability, and HW / SW support. The biggest thing that I like about Windows 7 is that it's NOT VISTA!!!!! The unmitigated audacity of Guggenheimer spouting this crap should get him fired. Nothing worse than a corporate Yes-man in my eyes, especially when it is in public, and it's such obvious horseshit.

Re:What is this guy smoking?... (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 5 years ago | (#28813263)

Windows 7 is Vista.

And why the hell is slash dot so screwy today. I'm typing in a tiny box the size of a postage stamp.

Completely true (1)

Kr4u53 (955252) | about 5 years ago | (#28813269)

After using the windows 7 release candidate for a few weeks now, I can say I already miss the taskbar and the ability to use a classic start menu from Vista.

ReallY? (1)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#28813285)

Does win 7 SUCK so much?

It will be my new sig, ill tell you that.

It's office's fault (1)

Twillerror (536681) | about 5 years ago | (#28813345)

99.9999999 percent of all complaints about Vista is actually Office 2007 Vista. People are creatures of habit if we needed any more proof.

Vista is usable now, but... (1)

Sarusa (104047) | about 5 years ago | (#28813357)

Well technically Vista is usable now, though I can't see why you'd ever use it instead of just XP or Win7.

But I had hoped they would realize now that you can't launch with an OS that is so broken that it can't even reliably copy or delete files, and no driver support because you changed the APIs so late in the game. Apparently this marketing d-bag did not learn that lesson.

jew?? (1)

Aidos (624295) | about 5 years ago | (#28813395)

whats with the Jew tag

Urm (1)

sjames (1099) | about 5 years ago | (#28813411)

Once you take a bite of the dog turd sandwich you'll be begging me to bring back the fillet of old shoe!

Why listen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813447)

Why would anyone listen to this guy, let alone make an article about it? This is a blatant stab at Microsoft to influence people not to upgrade. Windows 7 is great! Windows Vista was good (except for some back-end management). From a consumer standpoint, it's better than XP.

Vista to Win7: A Capitalistic Journey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28813453)

Steve Guggenheimer is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. In the overall reality of how Vista slammed the landscape, it created more problems than it solved, thus opening the doorway to the solution that is Windows 7. It was a dirty, dirty ploy used by Microsoft on a population that had actually grown accustomed to XP and had even begun to foster some sort of respect. As a result, Microsoft, for the first time in its history, had to lay off at least 3,000 employees during the recession. Had it not been so aggressive with Vista, it's likely that that number would have been less, if anything at all.

Don't use Windows 7? (1)

halcyonandon1 (1568125) | about 5 years ago | (#28813461)

If this is saying that after using Windows 7, I'll miss Windows Vista, when I never liked Vista, what does that say about Windows 7?

I know what he means (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 5 years ago | (#28813473)

I miss Windows ME. I have fond memories of reinstalling it, doing registry backups, carrying around the 13 most common patches on floppy, disabling features that didn't work yet, it's lugubrious performance. Sigh... those were the days. As I approach my eighth year on Windows XP, I still occasionally take my ME media out and caress it.

C'mon, who are we kidding? ME was a joke, Bob was a joke, Vista was reductio ad absurdum. 95 was very nearly a joke -- I switched to NT 4 the moment it became available because I actually had to get some WORK DONE, something the OS engineers, in their enthusiasm, seem to sometimes forget.

Microsoft marketing needs to get over it. If they spent as much energy on the first service pack for Windows 7 as they did trying to retroactively justify Vista, they might really have something.

Remember the slogan Ford had for a long time: "Have you driven a Ford lately?" A clear admission that "yeah we put out some crap products in the past, but we've got our act together now". Doesn't that play a lot better, and give you more confidence in a company, than continuous denial in the face of indisputable consumer dislike?

This is not a cheap shot -- I depend on XP daily for my work and many of my hobbies. I've been test-driving the Windows 7 beta, and -- hey -- it's not half bad. Will be upgrading at least one of my machines on day zero, something I'd never have thunk of doing in 2007.

Look, Microsoft: I'm willing to forget Vista if you are. Keep bringing it up, and we'll keep bringing it up.

George W. Bush (4, Insightful)

hey (83763) | about 5 years ago | (#28813521)

Yes, and history will redeem George W. Bush too.

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