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District 9 Rises From the Ashes of Halo

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the duck-and-cover dept.

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JohnSmedley sent in a story about what might be the last SciFi film worth caring about this summer. He writes "Wired has an interesting piece up on the upcoming District 9 release. District 9 rose from the ashes of a failed Halo movie and expands on 'Alive in Jo'Burg' which is a South African short film by Blomkamp. Both the short and full feature films expand and explore a premise in which aliens in space are treated as badly as illegal immigrants and the underclass. The story begins as a damaged alien craft lands in Africa. The foreign race is quarantined in a remote area called District 9, and from there are subjected to xenophobia, and the desire of a multi-national conglomerate to steal their technology. The film is an exploration of what would happen in terms of segregation between an alien race and humans, subjecting the stranded visitors to the very human condition of greed, fear, and exploitation. District 9 will be in theatres on August 14'th, and you can view the trailers from the viewpoint of Multi-National United."

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207 comments

Interesting parallels (2, Interesting)

woutersimons_com (1602459) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835675)

The referenced site in the article on Wired for the trailer and the D-9 site in the article here do not work for me it seems. I found a good trailer on the site Sony made for it [district9movie.com] .

This is sure to be a movie that I am going to watch, very interesting story. It also interests me that the director is from South Africa, the way the aliens are moved to camps does seem to have some parallels with the Apartheid [wikipedia.org]

Re:Interesting parallels (-1, Flamebait)

Tiber (613512) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836119)

Well, it could be worse, it could be a MICHAEL BAY film.

I tagged this article "spaceniggers".

Re:Interesting parallels (4, Insightful)

Bakkster (1529253) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836705)

I'm still hoping that this movie will actually be a good, cerebral Science Fiction story; rather than just another disposable alien-action movie built on what would otherwise be a great plot to explore.

Still crossing my fingers.

Re:Interesting parallels (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836771)

Except for the fact that the aliens in the film were well behaved and had valuable resources.

In a recent poll, 25% of south-african adults stated that they had raped someone, 10% in the last year.

Please challenge this to be blatantly untrue, so that I can provide a link and thereby show your personal bias AGAINST this being the case from the fact that you dismiss it out of hand.

Re:Interesting parallels (2, Insightful)

davidsinn (1438403) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837143)

I don't have an opinion one way or another but the burden of proof is always upon those making a claim. In other words, put up or shut up.

Re:Interesting parallels (3, Informative)

krou (1027572) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837209)

Even though there are obviously parallels with Apartheid, I think there are much closer parallels to the recent and growing xenophobia against immigrants (illegal or not) in South Africa. Incidentally, there's a good interview with Blomkamp here [slashfilm.com] where he notes that both of these played crucial roles in the film. He also mentions that in the first week of filming, the recent xenophobic riots took place where people were murdered and burnt alive etc. Alive in Jo'Burg was also clearly influenced by xenophobia.

Moon (3, Informative)

u38cg (607297) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835715)

Another fantastic sci-fi piece recently released is Moon, directed by one Duncan Jones. Strongly recommend it, if you can find it - it's been reasonably widely released in Britain, not sure about the US and the rest of the world.

Re:Moon (1)

rrwood (27261) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836017)

Fantastic? Meh. It was a rehash of a lot of ideas we've seen done in films and books over the past 20-30 years, with nothing particularly new added. Go re-watch 2001, Bladerunner and re-read some early John Varley instead.

If, on the other hand, this is the first time you've seen these ideas explored in film or fiction, I could see this being a very interesting movie.

Re:Moon (4, Insightful)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836125)

Same could be said about "V for Vendetta [imdb.com] " and "Equilibrium [imdb.com] ". Bah, just go read or watch "1984".
However, watching or reading 1984 just flat drains the soul. The other two movies are more entertaining, have a happier ending, yet still deliver the core of the same message as 1984. Does it soften the message? Somewhat. However, they reach far more people, and those that watch it don't usually kill themselves during the closing credits.
Respect the originals, yet keep refreshing it to new audiences. Often, those that like the new versions end up hungry to read about the original source material.

Re:Moon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836323)

You gotta be kidding me, those movies are shit.

Re:Moon (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836329)

Besides, how are we all supposed to read 1984 when Amazon.com deleted it from all our Kindles?

Re:Moon (3, Insightful)

Minwee (522556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836871)

You could consider investing in more reliable cellulose-based storage media. You'll find that a lot of popular ebooks have been translated into this "paper" format over the last, oh, 500 years and there's a good chance that your city even has one or more brick-and-mortar retailers who specialize in them.

Get 'em before the fad passes.

Re:Moon (3, Insightful)

Bakkster (1529253) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836927)

Does it soften the message? Somewhat. However, they reach far more people, and those that watch it don't usually kill themselves during the closing credits. Respect the originals, yet keep refreshing it to new audiences. Often, those that like the new versions end up hungry to read about the original source material.

That's, of course, assuming that the first exploration of a theme is the best. I would venture that while 1984, V for Vendetta, and Equilibrium explore the same space, they do it in unique ways. None are, what I would consider, a definitive work; neither are the newer movies a simple rehash of 1984.

In 1984, the 'resistance' comes from within the government and is a trap, while Equilibrium has the government using its own agent who defects, yet V for Vendetta is a resistance of an outsider. These are unique explorations, and it would be disappointing if anyone thought that any single piece was a sufficient exploration of the theme. Taken as a whole, however, the reader/viewer can make their own, deeper connections.

"1984" vs "WE" (3, Interesting)

jbssm (961115) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836967)

Actually I'm a big fan of Orwell, but after reading We from Zamiatine. I must say that Orwell, was at least "heavily inspired" (not to say an harsher word), by the much less know work of Zamiatine.

Re:"1984" vs "WE" (1)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837167)

Thank you for that, I'll have to look Zamiatine up.

Re:"1984" vs "WE" (1)

ImNotAtWork (1375933) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837675)

dropping the last 'E' will help you find it easier. Eugene Zamiatin.

Re:"1984" vs "WE" (1)

jbssm (961115) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837861)

Actual is Yevgeny Zamyatin in English.

Since he was Russian and the original name is in Cyrilic, different Languages "translate" the name differently. In Portuguese and French (for instance), it's Zamiatine (we don't have Y in the Portuguese alphabet).

Re:"1984" vs "WE" (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837685)

I agree, much of the setup is nearly identical (the journal aspect for example). You do have to give it to Orwell for 'newspeak' though. Absolutely brilliant, and completely missing from We.

Re:Moon (2, Interesting)

Kurusuki (1049294) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837011)

I don't know. I tried watching 1984 once, and only made it about 30 minutes in before I had to stop watching. The movie is just so bland. It's a movie about the message, one of those artsy political movies that doesn't need any semblance of flow. The people who watch it will already be well versed in the mantra it preaches. However, V for Vendetta and Equilibrium both set out to entertain with an undertone of the 1984 mantra. This lets people take in the meaning without having to put forth any thought. Watch, enjoy, and receive political propaganda (from the good side of the fence albeit) without even knowing it. It's like separating a movie like An Inconvenient Truth to a movie whose plot revolves around those downtrodden by global change, the animals in the arctic regions for example. Someone seeing An Inconvenient Truth already someone leans in that direction and is already expecting a message, disregarding the fact the movie is a documentary. Someone seeing the later genre of movie will probably be seeing it for entertainment, and take away the important message at a subconscious level. They are more likely to start acting eco-friendly without attributing the shift in habits to the movie or its message.

Re:Moon (2, Insightful)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837213)

I agree, watching 1984 is a painful experience. I think the book is less so, since you're not forced to consume it all at once like a movie.
And your point about "An Inconvenient Truth" is a good one, "The Day After Tomorrow" is the entertaining version of it. I think there are some people that would have never watched "Truth" without first seeing "Tomorrow" and getting a spark of intrest that allows them to sit through the bland power point.

Re:Moon (1, Insightful)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837679)

The Day After Tomorrow was not entertaining. I'd rather watch a 2 hour presentation by Al Gore.

Re:Moon (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837433)

I found that watching 1984 before reading the book was extremely boring and bland. However after reading the book, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. The adaptation could be considered too literal, but once put into proper context is truly a masterpiece. A little like 2001 in a way (yes, yes, I know the book was written after the movie).

Re:Moon (4, Insightful)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837639)

The whole point of 1984 is to make you feel like shit. If you were uplifted by a hollywood type happy ending, it would lose much of its power. Why is it that many people think a movie that makes you feel bad is a bad movie ?

The two movies you mentioned are the typical hollywood stuff ... entertainment and almost nothing else. Not bad for blowing a couple hours, but nothing that will change the way you look at the world like 1984 has done for many people.

Re:Moon (4, Insightful)

agrif (960591) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836237)

I think the biggest thing about Moon is that it is the first hard science fiction film in a long time that has gained even the meager attention it has. Hard Sci-Fi is a dying breed, as far as I can tell from the last decade or so.

Maybe Moon didn't introduce any new ideas. But it did present those ideas in a medium where it is easier to evoke an emotional response, if it's done correctly. Moon did it very well, at least in my opinion, and it reached a wider audience than most sci-fi.

If Moon is playing near you, I highly recommend you see it.

Re:Moon (1)

mbourgon (186257) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836303)

The fact that you get to reference Varley (and not in conjunction with "Millenium") is why I so loved it. Yup, it's got pieces in there from Phantoms of Kansas, but it's an actual Science Fiction flick. Not scifi, not SciFi/Action. And for that reason alone it should be commended. And it doesn't hurt that it's a really well-done movie. Saw it and The Hurt Locker last week - and while it was a bit draining, emotionally, that was the best movie experience I've had in a while. If you like Science Fiction, go find it - it's worth it.

Re:Moon (1, Troll)

TheLink (130905) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836735)

I don't care if it's a rehash, if it's a good rehash it could still be entertaining, interesting and even mind provoking.

After all, lots of movies/stories are a rehash of ideas more than 2000 years old.

Re:Moon (5, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836837)

Fantastic? Meh. It was a rehash of a lot of ideas we've seen done in films and books over the past 20-30 years, with nothing particularly new added. Go re-watch 2001, Bladerunner and re-read some early John Varley instead.

I'm getting so tired of this nonsense. Bladerunner was a film noir [wikipedia.org] set in the future with robots. It wasn't new. Asimov did androids struggling with their (lack of) humanity in the 50s, and all Dick added was his drug addicted sense of a decaying reality to which Scott added a very provincially 1980s aesthetic. Go watch Metropolis and the Maltese Falcon. There, see how easy it is to throw stones at a good and viewing-worthy film?

Fact of the matter is that premise doesn't matter. Every premise has been done. Every idea has been pushed through the salad-tosser that is the writer's pen. What remains is the actual writing, and in the case of film acting and directing. Moon is, as I've heard (and I really do want to go see it), well written, acted and directed. If the idea is also compelling, that's great, but do we go to see a murder-mystery because we've never seen a detective confront the suspects before? Do we go to see space opera because we've never seen ships shooting at each other before? No, we go because we, as humans, enjoy the act of story-telling. It's an art, and good art is good art, even when the subject has been painted/drawn/written about/sculpted or filmed before.

Re:Moon (2, Funny)

ajs (35943) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836875)

salad-tosser that is the writer's pen

Yeah, I think I meant Salad Shooter(tm) [saladshooter.com] there. We'll just ignore what salad-tossing pens might be a metaphor for....

Re:Moon (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836051)

It's was pretty widely released here in the U.S. a few weeks ago. It even played in one of my local multi-plexes (though there was only me and three other people in the theater when I went to see it, sadly). I really wish more people would show up for this excellent and thoughtful piece of science fiction, instead of just turning out in droves for Michael Bay blow-em-up movies that just use sci-fi as an excuse for a lot of gee-whiz FX shots.

Re:Moon (1)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836267)

My wife and I went to see it after seeing the trailer. We both felt that while the revelations that occurred about what was going on somewhat obvious pretty quickly, it was well worth watching. We agreed that the lack of slasher/blow-em-up type movie was refreshing. Sam Rockwell did a pretty good job playing basically the only part (parts??) in the movie other than GERTY. The plot even had an opportunity for a 'final show-down' sequence involving lots of blood and mayhem, but it was very well directed to a different place. One thing that bugged me was the full gravity while at the moon base. But I guess watching everyone moon-bouncing around indoors for 90 minutes would have been a little much also.

Re:Moon (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836171)

Agreed, Moon was fantastic. It draws a lot from 2001, but that's not a bad thing. It was refreshing to see such a well made sci-fi movie that was not dressed up for mass audiences. In other words, they didn't add explosions, comic relief characters, etc. for the sake of selling tickets.

The movie website has a release schedule [sonypictures.com] - go see it if you can!

Re:Moon (2, Informative)

yincrash (854885) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836193)

In case anyone doesn't know, the one Duncan Jones is the son of the one David Bowie.

I saw the movie at the Tribeca Film Festival followed by a question and answer with him. It's a fantastic scifi feature for a directorial debut. I hope he continues making more films in the future.

It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (5, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835723)

At least these aliens are slightly more alien, but they're still bipedal oxygen breathers with bilateral symmetry. I look forward to the District 9 TV series, but not to the romantic relationship between Detective Matt Sikes and (what is now) a giant bug living in the apartment next door.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (4, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835881)

At least these aliens are slightly more alien, but they're still bipedal oxygen breathers with bilateral symmetry.

FWIW, it took evolution billions of years to come up with that this is a very efficient way of moving intelligent beings with use of free appendages (arms + hands) around a solid earth crust with an oxygen atmosphere. I'm not so sure this is a "one in hundreds" of potentially useful evolutionary ideas, but rather one in very few. That it's symmetric comes from cellular division, and there is so far little supporting evidence that alternative mechanisms can support a two meter tall intelligent organism well.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835953)

Um 6 appendages with 4 legs and 2 arms would work just as well if not better.
Stop giving Evolution so much credit. Evolution is dumb, it does not care what is best, just what causes the longest survival to allow more evolution changes. It will allow stupidity to win if dumb is allowed to breed unchecked.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836349)

Um 6 appendages with 4 legs and 2 arms would work just as well if not better.

Add another pair of legs to a human, and see how well they do climbing trees.

You know it would work just as well how? Because you created your own virtual earth and ran genetic simulations on it for a million years?

Evolution is dumb, it does not care what is best, just what causes the longest survival to allow more evolution changes. It will allow stupidity to win if dumb is allowed to breed unchecked.

Stupidity doesn't win, but you might need a bigger head to hold a bigger, more complicated brain in order to get more intelligent, and that might get you killed. Which is almost the same thing, but no, stupidity doesn't win. Intelligence just doesn't necessarily win either. Our brain's need for high blood flow is a liability...

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (3, Funny)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837809)

You know it would work just as well how? Because you created your own virtual earth and ran genetic simulations on it for a million years?

Yes, I played Spore, and came up with a wide variety of different body plans that worked just as well. So there.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (4, Insightful)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836459)

Um 6 appendages with 4 legs and 2 arms would work just as well if not better.

Nonsense, you are looking only at the (presumed) benefits of an extra pair of legs without considering the costs. An extra pair of legs requires more energy, it requires more neurons devoted to controlling the extra legs, etc. The benefits? You're slightly less likely to get knocked over?

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837061)

An extra pair of arms would help when soldering stuff :). Plenty of other uses - being able to firmly hold stuff while doing things to it.

As for an extra pair of legs - I don't think something like a centaur would really be that disadvantaged. A centaur would be able to be a very effective predator, and thus consume high energy density food (e.g. other animals) if necessary. Imagine being able to use a spear, and sprint almost as fast as a horse. Perhaps centaurs wouldn't have as much endurance - depends on whether they still have to have human sized air intakes and horse style lungs.

Now getting to "centaur" from some other precursor creature might take a huge evolutionary leap :). But stuff like butterflies are pretty amazing too.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (1)

SoVeryTired (967875) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837783)

The benefits? You're slightly less likely to get knocked over?

You can run like a horse, or climb trees like a leopard.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835959)

You're assuming an oxygenated environment, a solid crust, a certain range of gravitational pull, composition from cells that divide, etc.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (3, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836037)

If they didn't originate from somewhere vaguely earthlike they'd find it difficult to survive here.

comment on website on 4th planet of canopus: (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836655)

FWIW, it took evolution millions of years to come up with a wheel. this is a very efficient way of moving intelligent beings with use of biomagnetics (repulse + attract) around a solid water crust with a nitrogen atmosphere. I'm not so sure this is a "one in hundreds" of potentially useful evolutionary ideas, but rather one in very few. That it's trilaterally symmetric comes from cellular agglomeration, and there is so far little supporting evidence that alternative mechanisms can support a three meter tall intelligent organism well

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836929)

What are the non primate candidates on our own planet? Whales, Dolphins and Octopuses. Whales and Dolphins lost theirs legs and Octopuses went down a different route. There's some argument tool users need this configuration but we are one planet out of billions of potential planets so odds are we aren't the dominant form. Really this is more about film/TV show budgets traditionally as well as the audience needing references they can understand. It's hard to relate emotionally to an Octopus like thing or do an action scene with a blob of jelly in a jar.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837983)

FWIW, it took evolution billions of years to come up with that this is a very efficient way of moving intelligent beings with use of free appendages (arms + hands) around a solid earth crust with an oxygen atmosphere.

Why not just two fingers and an opposable thumb, wouldn't that be more efficient and just as effective? Why two testicles, or two nostrils, instead of just one? Why not 2 stomachs instead of just one?

That it's symmetric comes from cellular division,

What about life forms that are non-symetric, where does that come from?

...there is so far little supporting evidence that alternative mechanisms can support a two meter tall intelligent organism well.

I know an 800lb gorrilla who would disagree with you...

There are plenty of primarily earth mobile creatures that walk on more than two legs, and there are more such creatures 2+ meters tall than humans.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (1)

Volda (1113105) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836957)

I guess if you drink enough spoiled milk it wont matter either way.

Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation (4, Insightful)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837531)

Because yes, if you have a choice of crash landing on a planet that is hospitable and contains life like your own, or on the toxic silicoid life sustaining one you should defiantly choose the one most unlike yourself, you know, just for the sheer challenge.

Of course I don't know how desperate they were to crash, or what the range of the partially disabled craft was, or if they were low on fuel, because I am not an alien... and you know more importantly, I havn't seen the movie... and even more importantly, it is a freaking' movie.... you know, entertainment?

On a conceptual level I generally feel the same way about most Science Fiction particularly in movies and tv where 99% of all life encountered is pretty much identical to us with the exception of some forehead ridges, colour, or perhaps some weird facial hair or antennae or something. There has been some exceptions like the Lava monster in old star trek, or stuff like crystalline entity or tar monster later on... Bottom line the reason this is likely the case isn't due to lack of imagination, but rather the reason is for entertainment purposes. James T Kirk can't exactly sleep with the lava monster can he? (well he could try anyway). So they make a green woman alien and call it a day. People need to be able to interact in some meaningful way for it to be entertaining. Why do you think everyone can also communicate so easily? Because it would really suck if you had to sit through an hour of confusion. I can barely comprehend the Japanese language, how the fsck can we comprehend a language developed on another world with no context? Magic technology of course... but again... movie magic.

Alien Nation (3, Interesting)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835735)

So.. it sounds like the premise of the Sci-Fi series 'Alient Nation'.. which was a very good series.

Re:Alien Nation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28835775)

Which was based on a fantastic movie.

Re:Alien Nation (2, Informative)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835833)

That was my first thought. Actually, I thought of the Alien Nation [imdb.com] movie, which I thought was even better than the series. "Your mother mates out of season!"

Re:Alien Nation (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836081)

The moment after that, when James Caan realizes they don't have testicles, is hilarious too.

Re:Alien Nation (1)

mbourgon (186257) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836359)

"What is it?"
"Casull .454 Magnum. You're talking twice the impact energy of .44 Magnum hot loads."
"Only holds five."
"Yeah, the shells are too big for six in an cylinder. Hell, Matt, you don't need but one."

Re:Alien Nation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28835913)

So.. it sounds like the premise of the Sci-Fi series 'Alient Nation'.. which was a very good series.

parent isn't 5 yet

Re:Alien Nation (1)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835915)

Thanks for saying it first.

That May Work as a South Africa Satire (-1, Troll)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835743)

But if space aliens were to suddenly land in the U.S., they'd be voting, given free healthcare, and have their own Emmy-winning reality TV show before anyone could even examine them for xeno-viruses or concealed particle-beam sidearms..

*That's* the movie I want to see made.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (3, Insightful)

mdda (462765) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835819)

As a legal immigrant in the States, I can state that (although I'm paying just as much tax as anyone else) : I have no vote, no free healthcare and no constitutional rights (let alone a TV show).

But then you're obviously a troll, aren't you?

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (2, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835933)

You're either not a citizen, or a troll, or uninformed. Your taxes do not pay for constitutional rights, either--they pay for the benefits that you DO reap (law enforcement, road upkeep, sewage, fire protection, emergency care even if you cannot pay, etc). Also, I'm a citizen and do not have this free healthcare I keep hearing mentioned-- it is one of my employment benefits. Are you sure that you are referring to the right country?

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (2, Interesting)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835999)

Green card holders pay taxes yet can't vote - something that you citizens held a tea party over a few centuries ago.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (2, Informative)

Tangent128 (1112197) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836539)

The fuss back then was that British citizens were not given representation.

A Green Card holder is still a citizen of another country, and is thus denied a vote on the basis of national sovereignty.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

navygeek (1044768) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836617)

Out of curiosity. You seem to suggest that green card holders should be afforded the right to vote (though I could be mistaken) - why? They aren't citizens, they shouldn't have full rights of a citizen. They have several paths towards becoming citizens, and rightfully so. On another note - the tea party held in the, then, colonies wasn't because those people weren't citizens and not allowed rights, it was because they WERE citizens of Britain and STILL getting crapped upon.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837975)

The point of the tea party was: "No taxation without representation." If you don't want to give non-citizens the right to vote, that's fine. But according to the US's own core beliefs, you shouldn't be taxing them in that case.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836643)

We citizens held a tea party a few centuries ago because we were establishing a legislation and levying taxes on ourselves for upkeep of the colonies, and then Mother Britain imposed additional tariffs on our consumables without our consent. Green card holders are not (normally) beholden to additional tariffs from their home country while here in the States, and they know coming into the situation that they need to pay taxes. They also know that when they get their citizen status then they will be given all the rights and responsibilities of the People as laid out in the US Constitution.

Except they cannot run for President at the moment, but we anticipate that that might change when Ah-nold wants to throw his hat into the ring and fulfill one of the prophesies laid out in Demolition Man.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836679)

I'm afraid you didn't quite get the point of that tea party then. The residents of the colonies were British citizens. At that time most of them had even still been born in Britain. If they were still living in merry old England they would have been eligible to vote and hence had representation in the tax forming body. They were born in Britain, were still considered citizens of the British Empire but had apparently lost their right to vote when they moved to the colonies, part of said British Empire.

Green card holders are not US citizens. They are citizens of another country working in the US. I am not aware of any foreign country that allows non-citizens to vote in its elections. And, as already pointed out, paying taxes does not buy you constitutional rights nor citizenship. Paying taxes provides funding for the common defense and general welfare. Something Green Card holders benefit from as well as citizens.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836717)

Wow. Congratulations on winning "Historical Distortion of the Day."

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836009)

Don't let anyone tell you that you don't have constitutional rights. The Constitution does NOT only apply to citizens. Even illegal immigrants have constitutional rights.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (5, Informative)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836019)

You can state, but that doesn't make you entirely correct. You do so have constitutional rights. The only constitutional rights you lack are the ones specifically granted citizens such as voting rights, or people born here, such as eligibility to be president, or a few age requirements. Everything else in there which applies to "the people" applies to you. Quoting the ACLU for examples because it's much easier than compiling myself:

"every person in the United States has the right to due process and equal protection; to criminal proceedings that afford a right to counsel, a jury trial and freedom from double jeopardy; to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment; to freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and to freedom of speech, religion and association."

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

hercubus (755805) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837087)

Everything else in there which applies to "the people" applies to you.

I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that technically non-citizens are supposed to have certain rights. But the folks at the Department of Homeland Security haven't heard of these "rights" you speak of.

No one I've ever talked to can believe how awful it is to have to deal with DHS. If you get a paranoid case worker you're just fucked. Sure you can hire a lawyer but DHS closes ranks around their own and they sit in judgement of themselves. It's a pretty deep hole to climb out of if you're a non-citizen.

I could go on but until you've had some paranoid delusional psycho bitch with a gun screaming about "putting you people on the next flight out of here" you just wouldn't believe it. Not in America, we're not like that. Land of the free, home of the brave and shit...

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836069)

Apparently you didn't have hyperbole in your country.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836093)

Some rights under the constitution apply to non-citizens who are there legally. FAIL.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

nevillethedevil (1021497) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836347)

What are you talking about? I'm a legal immigrant in the US and aside from the vote issue (which should not stop you from being politically active) I have all the same constitutional rights as a person born here. I am interested in knowing which specific rights you don't have?

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837163)

You may be the one illegal immigrant that makes so much money that you actually pay taxes. But that would be the exception (income/payroll). Most illegals would either be working under the table, and pay ZERO! taxes. Or using a fake social security number, their income will be low enough that all payroll taxes would be refunded as tax credits.

Healthcare, if you live in California, they have county hospitals & all private emergency rooms are required to take anyone, for anything. Illegals give fake addresses, and yes, get free healthcare.

(Free as in taxpayers pay either for the county hospital or paying customers get charged more to try to keep the game afloat, or some private hospitals have had to close their emergency rooms). Yeah that's free.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835943)

Yeah, we just fucking love aliens here in the US. Also, everyone who looks different from us.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836131)

Of course. This place is so welcoming that Africans used to come over here by the boatload.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836503)

"Also, everyone who looks different from us."

Who is "US"? Again, here's some ignorant wiener head rebel without a clue spouting off just because it's cool to rail against the system. Please define "different"? I can find people from just about any nation/culture wherever I go in the United States so who/what are these people that are so different that all Americans give them a hard time? Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone in the United States? Did you do a survey in your room of all people with an IQ of less than 2 and 100% of responders think like this?

It's funny, the whole point of your post is to say that Americans are prejudice, but the fact of the matter is that it's obvious you are the one who is prejudice since you've prejudged that attitudes of the entire country. Way to go!

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837677)

Who is "US"?

My bad, I meant those who have traditionally (and until very recently, overwhelmingly) dominated American politics and the public sphere: Caucasian males.

Please define "different"?

Sure: "of darker complexion". Though I'm sure tentacles and exoskeletons would fit into that category, too.

so who/what are these people that are so different that all Americans give them a hard time?

Did I say all? You don't need all people to give someone a hard time.

Did you do a survey in your room of all people with an IQ of less than 2 and 100% of responders think like this?

Now, that's just an unrealistically low IQ score; probably wouldn't even be measurable.

but the fact of the matter is that it's obvious you are the one who is prejudice since you've prejudged that attitudes of the entire country.

I can't be prejudiced against an entire country - I could be prejudiced against individuals from a country (though I do try to avoid doing that), with a country I can only have an opinion of the currently prevailing attitudes.

And yes, based on my experience, I don't believe extraterrestrial asylum seekers would do well here.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837879)

What?

In some parts of the U.S., 'lighter compelxion' would be different.

You need to get out more. The U.S. is not nearly so homogeonous as it was when I was young. And this is not a bad thing, just inevitable. We allow legal immigration on a scale much greater than most nations on Earth. Illegal immigration just tilts the statistics. And causes other problems that legal immigration does not.

Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836951)

But if space aliens were to suddenly land in the U.S., they'd be voting, given free healthcare, and have their own Emmy-winning reality TV show before anyone could even examine them for xeno-viruses or concealed particle-beam sidearms.

Why is everybody always talking about Paris Hilton?

Documentary style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28835773)

Am I the only one who was disappointed that Blomkamp didn't stick to the documentary-style story-telling for the movie itself?

I was rather disappointed when I saw the second trailer that looked like a regular action flick, rather than the first trailer and "Alive in JoBurg".

grotesque propaganda (0, Flamebait)

dickbot (1116661) | more than 4 years ago | (#28835827)

I remember a time when aliens in fiction were used as a mean to explore the intricacies of our own evolution as a species, or to reflect on our own tendencies toward self-destruction, the H-Bomb, the cold war, that sort of stuff.

When Stanislas Lem wrote Fiasco, aliens were a way to reflect on the nature of communication and its philosophical conundrums. Good stuff.

Saddening to see political correctness take over that too, and turn a potentially mind-boddling discovery into a mere pretext for bigoted post-cultural and post-racial propaganda.

They surely won't get my money for that one.

John Smedley? Stop F-ing with Me, /. ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28835847)

JohnSmedley sent in a story about what ...

What ... what .... brain die! The last story about the Matrix Online was about sony online entertainment ruining something. He's the president of SOE and ruined star wars galaxies too. Who submitted this? And who linked to John Smedley clothing!?!?? Does not compute! Christ, it's only 9am on a Monday morning, stop F-ing with me, Slashdot!

Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (3, Interesting)

theolein (316044) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836011)

I'm South African so yay for South Africans of all colours, shapes and broken accents, and yay for an SA director making a really interesting SF movie set in SA. It is really nice to see something that isn't shallow Hollywood crap. It might be shallow South African crap, but at least it's different and interesting shallow South African crap.

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (0, Troll)

dickbot (1116661) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836031)

"I'm South African so yay for South Africans of all colours, shapes and broken accents"

How long since your last trip to J-Burg ? Remember the city as it was 15, say, 20 years ago maybe ? Clean and ordered ?

guess not.

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836253)

got any statistics to back that up? crime rates? anything?

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (1, Troll)

dickbot (1116661) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836313)

a good picture being better than a thousand words...

http://deathofjohannesburg.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837015)

a good picture being better than a thousand words...

http://deathofjohannesburg.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Wow. There's some pretty twisted racial overtones in those comments. I wonder how far South Africans have really come?

"Interestingly, there was a hijacking in Innaloo some months ago, it turns out the perpetrators were.... yep, Black Africans from Jo'burg! :-O"

"Funny that I sat at the pleasant tables of the Mark/Sands Hotels dining rooms arguing against a black takeover. I wonder what my opponents would say to these pictures now."

It's definitely much easier to blame the poorer occupants who moved in only to find city services and investment capital denied than to... you know, blame themselves for overbuilding or denying blacks civil services and opportunities. Perhaps this movie will say more about SA than locals will want to hear?

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (1)

zakkie (170306) | more than 4 years ago | (#28837177)

Did you have to link to that one-eyed, racist blog? Yes, there's urban decay in Joburg. It was inevitable given the inequality and injustice of the previous system, and has happened in other places too. Using race to apportion blame is being narrow minded in extremis.

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (1)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836401)

I thought Charlie Jade was pretty good South African sci-fi. Not a movie, a TV series, but still pretty good.

Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836603)

Agreed - its a pity Charlie Jade was never renewed :(

Halo? (2, Insightful)

mkiefte (646004) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836079)

To suggest that District 9 rose from the ashes of a failed attempt at Halo is disingenuous at best. First off, yet another movie based on a video game is a bad idea anyway. District 9 is more directly an expansion of the short film which can be seen on YouTube. However, an attempt to link it to Halo is most likely a cheap advertising gimmick to get fanboys out to the cinema.

Re:Halo? (1)

f33dback (1458941) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836219)

Semi right, but he did direct the Halo: Landfall shorts. http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Landfall [wikia.com] So people who enjoyed that may have a vested interest in this.

Coming in 2009: "District 9" (1)

mblase (200735) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836191)

...not to be confused with "9", "Nine", and "9.99", all of which will also be released in '09.

I swear, it's worse than all the "Blankety Blank 2000" films we had at the start of the decade.

Re:Coming in 2009: "District 9" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836959)

I swear, it's worse than all the "Blankety Blank 2000" films we had at the start of the decade.

Didn't you see all of the "2000" crap at the turn of the millenium?

Very Human (1)

minijedimaster (1434893) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836235)

"subjecting the stranded visitors to the very human condition of greed, fear, and exploitation."

Considering no one has ever met an alien from another world before, I don't see how these "conditions" can be attributed to humans alone. As far as any of us know greed, fear and exploitation could be the three most common things in the universe.

Why? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836373)

Yes, just what we need. More "I'm a more (illegal) immigrant/minority whining.

Why is Michael Jackson the "King of Pop"? Because he kept saying he was. Why are minorities/aliens(as in immigrants not from space) always victims? Because they always say they are too. Look at Mr. Gates claims of profiling which turned out not to be true. Isn't it possible that the people crying foul about 'isms are themselves the problem?

Either way, this is just another gay attempt at social engineering through popular media.

Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836393)

This is an example. "Minorities aren't victims! It is so gay to say that! Those gay niggers are so retarded!"

Way to shoot yourself in the foot there.

Re:Why? (1)

gishzida (591028) | more than 4 years ago | (#28836469)

Either way, this is just another gay attempt at social engineering through popular media.

No. It is a straight attempt a social engineering by little grey men from space. You know them guys and gals from Roswell that do kinky stuff to Humans in the name of weird science. If INS and DHS could get a hold of them I betcha they'd make it in to a reality TV series: Cops Vs. Aliens.

How funny that "anti-racist" films are FICTIONAL. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28836665)

There's a million films out there about innocent people on death row.

The vast majority of them are fictional. Why is this?

There's a few films about immigrants being mistreated.

The majority of them are fictional. Why is this?

The answer to the first question is: Because, although it would inevitably happen that people are given the death penalty, these have all raped and murdered before. People do not get the death penalty under uncertain circumstances without a prior record. The intention of the filmmakers is often to create sympathy for death row inmates, and because knowing that the person has butchered a couple of families before might diminish the viewer's sympathy, they conveniently let this out.

Please, prove me wrong by classifying the top-20 IMDB films about death row inmates as either fictional or close to factual as reasonably possible.

The counter to this is: Is it okay for people to get the death penalty for things they didn't do, if they have done other bad things before? The counter-counter is: No, it's unfortunate, but it does not justify misrepresenting reality even if you feel it's for a good cause.

In this case, the illegal immigrants are very badly treated. In most countries, they are treated FAR better than this. How is hence this film relevant to anything at all?

Of course, you MUST include the factors that the illegal immigrants in the FILM are extremely well bbehaved (unlike e.g. Norway, where 55 out of 55 assaults with rape in the capital over the last X years were committed by immigrants according to official confirmed numbers). You must also naturally include that the illegal immigrants has a VALUABLE RESOURCE which the people who treat them badly are trying to sap and extract at their expense, rather than vica versa.

Last question: Would anyone be ABLE to create a film where things were different: the illegal immigrants were very well treated, and they exploited the people they moved to? If the answer is "no", why is this?

Re:How funny that "anti-racist" films are FICTIONA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837149)

for the rapes in Norway, I'll bet it was the goddamned Pakis for all 55.

As badly as illegal immigrants?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837125)

"...in which aliens in space are treated as badly as illegal immigrants..."

Maybe they are treated badly because they are criminals for dodging legal procedure to enter the United States and become a citizen like our family had to do.

Illegals should not receive any sort of social benefits including social security and public education. They should be deported and forced to enter the country legally.

an0nymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28837181)

Man, you guys sure are behind the times. the trailers have been out for over a month now.

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