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Therapists Log On To WoW To Counsel Addicts

Soulskill posted about 5 years ago | from the sometimes-an-elf-is-just-an-elf dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 187

eldavojohn writes "So, you can't find the time to leave the World of Warcraft to seek help for your World of Warcraft addiction? Sounds reasonable. Well, addiction therapists are coming to meet you so you don't have to quit playing as they counsel you and your addiction. From the leader of this initiative, Dr. Graham: 'We will be launching this project by the end of the year. I think it's already clear that psychiatrists will have to stay within the parameters of the game. They certainly wouldn't be wandering around the game in white coats and would have to use the same characters available to other players. Of course one problem we're going to have to overcome is that while a psychiatrist may excel in what they do in the real world, they're probably not going to be very good at playing World of Warcraft.' Send in the level 5 counselor and let the games begin!" What happens when the therapists become addicted?

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Obligatory SNL (4, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 5 years ago | (#28864687)

I'll take "The Rapists log on to WoW" for $400, Trebek.

Re:Obligatory SNL (5, Funny)

ciderVisor (1318765) | about 5 years ago | (#28864733)

The Rapist Finder []

Re:Obligatory SNL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864817)

In soviet America, rapists find you.

Re:Obligatory SNL (1, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 5 years ago | (#28864777)

I'll stick to doctor Funke, thank you very much.

He's the world's first analyst-therapist, or "analrapist" as his business card states!

Re:Obligatory SNL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28866351)

This isn't off-topic, troll mod. As soon as someone mentioned The Rapists, I thought of Tobias Fünke as well. Remember that line in the moderation FAQ about focusing on modding up rather than down?

Can someone explain why Libs hate the Constitution (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865347)

I'm just curious how it came to be that the Constitution specifically gives Americans the right to bear arms (and DC vs. Heller reaffirmed this obvious statement), while mentioning NOTHING about a right to exterminate inconvenient children in utero, and yet Liberals will fight to the death to uphold the latter imagined right over the former explicit right. What kind of abominable mental acrobatics must one have to go through to come to the absurd conclusion that the framers didn't intend for individuals to be able to defend themselves, but that they did intend for people to be able to murder those who were inconvenient to them? The message here: apparently murdering babies is morally superior to you being able to defend yourself from crime in your own home. Abortion was just the first step, folks. The disabled and the elderly are next. Did anyone bother to read the House version of Obamacare? Forced end-of-life counseling for anyone 65 and up. You're going to have some mouth-breathing half-wit government bureaucrat whispering into your ear that you should just kill yourself rather than have that expensive prostate cancer surgery...

Re:Can someone explain why Libs hate the Constitut (1)

gstep (1583577) | about 5 years ago | (#28865377)

Can someone explain how your rant is relevant to the topic being discussed?

Re:Can someone explain why Libs hate the Constitut (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 5 years ago | (#28865563)

Libs are TehRapists?

Re:Obligatory SNL (4, Funny)

2names (531755) | about 5 years ago | (#28865417)

I am the best therapist in the World...of Warcraft.

how ironic... (1)

mcfatboy93 (1363705) | about 5 years ago | (#28864695)

On WOW last night i was talking to a friend who was thinking about quitting, but i convinced him to to. however he is no where near a level of addiction the could require consoling

Re:how ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864775)

you on the other hand...

Re:how ironic... (1)

Devout_IPUite (1284636) | about 5 years ago | (#28864813)

If your friend was talking about quitting, it was because they are suffering because of their addiction. You did them a disservice.

Re:how ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864897)

See you in two weeks.

Re:how ironic... (1)

mcfatboy93 (1363705) | about 5 years ago | (#28864905)

you don't get it. we are just players. not addicts.

Re:how ironic... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864957)

I'm not an addict, it's cool, I feel alive...

Re:how ironic... (0, Offtopic)

therufus (677843) | about 5 years ago | (#28865351)

For those of you not familiar with K's Choice [] and didn't get the parent comment...

Re:how ironic... (2, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#28864849)

On WOW last night i was talking to a friend who was thinking about quitting, but i convinced him to to. however he is no where near a level of addiction the could require consoling

"You know why alcoholics always drink in a group? To make sure nobody quits." -- Mark Cunningham

Re:how ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28866365)

Alcoholics drink alone, actually. Nice try, Mark Cunt-ingham.

Re:how ironic... (1)

iamapizza (1312801) | about 5 years ago | (#28864947)

I've been testing this for some time now. I asked my therapist to roll a Night Elf Druid and meet me outside Orgrimmar.

Re:how ironic... (1)

jeffasselin (566598) | about 5 years ago | (#28865595)

He's trying to treat your WoW addiction by getting you into bullying?

What happens when the therapists become addicted? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864747)

We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on dragging therapists away from their computers.

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864789)

Yes, but what happens when the gorillas become addicted?

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (1)

mrdoogee (1179081) | about 5 years ago | (#28866537)

Ah that's the beauty of the thing, come winter the gorillas will freeze to death.

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (3, Insightful)

SterlingSylver (1122973) | about 5 years ago | (#28864819)

You've got a good point. I mean, a true addict isn't going to listen to some level 2 noob chatting with them from the barrens! Come back when you're level 90 in tier 7 dragonraid gear and we'll talk!

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (2, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | about 5 years ago | (#28864883)

Level 2 is not even the Barrens.

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (1)

jeffasselin (566598) | about 5 years ago | (#28865765)

And level 90 isn't in the game, and tier 7 gear is nubbish and...

I started thinking those thoughts reading this post, and then thought: does knowledge of the game make me an addict?

For full disclosure, I'm not currently playing the game, I usually cancel my account in the summer, and have stopped playing for extended periods before. I've been pretty hardcore in the past but I've also had periods where I played more casually. I've thought I may be addicted, but I never had trouble canceling my account and stopping. I usually re-subscribe because I'm bored and have no other interesting games to play, not because I want to play the game as such.

But to come back to the main point, does deep knowledge of a field makes one an addict? Does knowing a lot about wine/spirits makes one an alcoholic? Does knowing a lot about WoW makes you an addict? How about computers, the internet, technology? Am I addicted to philosophy because I read a lot of philosophy books? Or then maybe I'm addicted to reading!

The problem is that addiction is hard to define. Because deep involvement and knowledge in a subject, game or activity is not a sign of addiction as such. It is only so if it becomes exclusive and prevents other activities: social interaction, other ludic activities, work. If I know a lot about the game, but in the same period I've also had time to immerse myself in other hobbies, read Dostoyevsky and had fun with friends in RL, is it a problem?

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28866737)

Every time addiction is brought up, there is the "what is addiction???" comment(s). And it's always the same stuff, rehashed. You have contributed nothing new. Just stop trying.

Re:What happens when the therapists become addicte (5, Funny)

Weeksauce (1410753) | about 5 years ago | (#28865077)

What I've been thinking is how can I declare myself to be a pyschiatrist so as to buy a level 80 in T7 gear and write it off as a business expense...

Blizzard reaction (3, Insightful)

beowulfcluster (603942) | about 5 years ago | (#28864755)

"Blizzard Entertainment was unavailable for comment at the time of publication."

I'd guess they might not be thrilled with an organized effort directed at making people stop giving them money, taking place on their own servers no less. I wonder how they'll be making contact with these players. The kind of players they want to talk to is hardly the kind that will seek out counceling on their own. How will they know who to contact, will they count on friends to connect them? How will they get past the (probably) inevitable /ignore that will result from an unsolicited therapy session attempt?

Re:Blizzard reaction (5, Insightful)

archen (447353) | about 5 years ago | (#28864991)

I don't know, I mean what would you expect Blizzard to say about this anyway? Even one of the loading tips says "all things in moderation, including world of warcraft". I think Blizzard is a company that honestly is concerned about people having fun. Idealy I would think a game company like that would want you to have a healthy activity in playing their game, not an overwhelming addiction - just for the simple fact that it's a better image to portray on the game. They also make money whether you play for 30 minutes a month, or 100 hours. Drawing out the subscription is the important part, so people having an "addiction" would probably mean that when they quit, they have to quit all together. Casual play is a huge money maker for them.

Re:Blizzard reaction (2, Insightful)

noundi (1044080) | about 5 years ago | (#28865363)

I don't know, I mean what would you expect Blizzard to say about this anyway?

Ching ching! More revenue for us!

That's what I'd expect Blizzard to say. I'm referring to the fact that therapists subscribe to their service in order to help the addicted.

Re:Blizzard reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865455)

It's nice that Guild Wars reminds you every hour, "You've been playing for 1 hour...You've been playing for 3 hours, please take a break"

Re:Blizzard reaction (-1, Flamebait)

sjwest (948274) | about 5 years ago | (#28865051)

There are some real odd balls on wow, sorry but i yes i did try wow for 15 minutes and kept getting slaughtered by some experienced idiots in the newbie section while wandering about.

At least Blizzard is getting a monthly fee from the people who always know what an addict is classed as -ironic.

Just waiting for a wow addict to mark this as a troll go on you know you want to.

Re:Blizzard reaction (1)

Vohar (1344259) | about 5 years ago | (#28865215)

'Troll' would be appropriate. Even on a pvp server the newbie zones are safe territory.

-1 Trolling and terrible at it.

Re:Blizzard reaction (1)

iamapizza (1312801) | about 5 years ago | (#28865921)

Toggle /pvp or join a PVE server.

Re:Blizzard reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28866199)

I'd probably go for redundant, not troll. This was very boring. I'm not even sure correct punctuation would have helped.

Re:Blizzard reaction (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about 5 years ago | (#28865237)

Oh ? Game companies, the next big guys after alcohol companies and tobacco firms ?
Anyway, there is a world between spending less than 3 hours a day in WoW and completely canceling an account. Unlike tobacco companies, Blizzard do not get more money from total addicts than from occasional users.

I'm in therapy for my alcohol addiction (5, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | about 5 years ago | (#28864759)

I meet my therapist at the bar every afternoon for drinks at happy hour.

Dumb Idea (4, Insightful)

iYk6 (1425255) | about 5 years ago | (#28864937)

This is a dumb idea, and I do not believe that any legitimate therapists would come up with it. In order for a person to get help, they must take the first step. Contrary to what we often see in movies, a person who is not willing to take the first step to help themselves will not solve their problems. If an addict will not leave their addiction to seek help, then they are not seriously looking for help, and nothing can be done for them until they recognize their problem and take the first step.

Nothing can be done? (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 5 years ago | (#28865103)

Atually stuff can be done to help people against their will.

However this is generally avoided since it's usually against the law (places like China could be different though ;) ).

In general people are only allowed to stop others from taking the final step of self destruction.

After all, is it legal to use force to stop an alcoholic from drinking? How about using force to stop someone from stabbing themselves? Or stop someone from chopping their own fingers off? Or stop them from getting a really awful tattoo? :)

Re:Dumb Idea (1)

FTWinston (1332785) | about 5 years ago | (#28865725)

I can imagine them advertising on general chat, something like:

"Find yourself playing WoW at the expense of everything else? You *can* resist it, but you have to take the first step! /w me for info"

Re:I'm in therapy for my alcohol addiction (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 5 years ago | (#28864961)

Actually that can work well if your therapist is there to ensure you have taken your naltrexone before you drink. []

Epic fail just waiting to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864763)

Bill you have a few patients piling up...

Hmmm? I'll get to them after this mission.

A cure for slashdot ? (0, Offtopic)

dargaud (518470) | about 5 years ago | (#28864799)

Oh, I get it, kdawson must be the cure against /. addiction...

Re:A cure for slashdot ? (0, Offtopic)

aicrules (819392) | about 5 years ago | (#28864875)

+1 Mean spirited

Camping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864803)

Although my playing habit is on the low side I can see it now... >>There's camping the shrinks in ice crown !!! Everyone come on down and support your online medical team !

Soon to be a common sight (4, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 5 years ago | (#28864805)

Drakkenmensch [whisper]: Well doctor, I guess that this game fills for me a void in my life that ooops tank is about to pull Deconstructor wwwwwwww223333333sssww33333

Re:Soon to be a common sight (1)

zuruiboy (1501763) | about 5 years ago | (#28865885)

This has got to be the funniest post on this entire thread....I'm still LOL'ing...."wwwwwwww223333333sssww33333" - great stuff.

Oh yeah, this will be great.... (2, Funny)

Orleron (835910) | about 5 years ago | (#28864823)

S0 t3ll m3, doOD. Wh3n I kill this m0b, what is teh first thing j00 want 2 kill?

Re:Oh yeah, this will be great.... (3, Funny)

Sebilrazen (870600) | about 5 years ago | (#28865101)

I hate that I can read that without thinking about it.

so (4, Funny)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | about 5 years ago | (#28864841)

a death knight, a warlock and a therapist are in a bar ...

Re:so (1)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | about 5 years ago | (#28865365)

a death knight, a warlock and a therapist are in a bar ..

"So, when did you first believe Chuck Norris was your father? (DK drops bloodworms) Ewwww... what are those?

Re:so (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 5 years ago | (#28865653)

Warlock: Luke, I am your father!
Therapist: Warlock, how do you feel about being DK's father?
Death Knight: N000000oooooo!!!!

what about them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864855)

Surely I'm not the only one wondering who is going to counsel them when they get addicted.

Re:what about them? (1)

zwei2stein (782480) | about 5 years ago | (#28864943)

We have reserves, send in more councelors!

New Trade Chat link (2, Funny)

WeirdingWay (1555849) | about 5 years ago | (#28864857)

Anal [Therapist]

This seems a little off. (4, Insightful)

thesandtiger (819476) | about 5 years ago | (#28864863)

I know quite a few clinical psychologists who won't participate in over-the-phone counseling except in cases of emergency because they feel that there is a staggering amount of information lost from the interaction due to the inability to perceive body language, eye-contact, or focus. I've staffed a hotline during an internship and a large part of the training was in dealing with those short-comings and it was universally recognized that it was not an optimal situation, but in the case where it was either talk to them on the phone or nothing, the phone is obviously preferable.

On top of that, it's notoriously difficult to convey any kind of emotional content or tone online or through text. I can't imagine any kind of reasonable therapeutic interaction taking place... "Hey, let's talk about how you feel compelled to only grind humanoid mobs..." "LOL FAG FEELINGS R 4 NUBS!" "..." "MeloveuGOLD most happiness! Many loves! Give you 10% CRAZY EXTRA FUN FUN GOLD gogogo now to wendygold.crom now!!!" Humor aside, I suppose it would be possible to talk over ventrillo or other voice methods, but even so, there would be so many distractions it'd be ridiculous.

If someone truly is addicted to WoW to the point where they are literally unable to tear themselves away from the game long enough to go to a therapy session in real life (and I would say the number of people in this situation is vanishingly small, approaching zero), then yes, this might be preferable, but as it is, it just sounds like something done to capitalize on the popularity of the game. It is, I suppose, an interesting thing to try this new avenue to test the efficacy, but I'm very strongly doubting that it'll be terribly effective.

Re:This seems a little off. (4, Insightful)

thesandtiger (819476) | about 5 years ago | (#28865085)

Forgive the self-reply, but I did also forget one other huge thing: confidentiality.

Because it would be taking place in an on-line setting where a 3rd party (or several 3rd parties, if using a combination of WoW's servers and a ventrillo/teamspeak server, or an addon that might capture all incoming/outgoing text), the confidentiality of the relationship would be exactly zero. GM's could simply get their kicks on eavesdropping on conversations between known "therapist" characters, for one obvious example.

I'm actually stunned that I forgot this in my first post, seeing as how it's a rather big deal. I suppose the client could waive confidentiality, but I can't imagine anyone actually opening up enough to get some benefit if they think they'll be overheard.

This would be the equivalent of trying to have a private conversation at a busy Starbucks.

Re:This seems a little off. (1)

mqduck (232646) | about 5 years ago | (#28866401)

If someone truly is addicted to WoW to the point where they are literally unable to tear themselves away from the game long enough to go to a therapy session in real life (and I would say the number of people in this situation is vanishingly small, approaching zero)

I made a post [] below before reading this one, which it would have been better as a response to. Summary: people who live in fantasy worlds are often unable to open up to anyone unless it's on their own terms, in their own world.

on other word (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28864909)

Those "therapist" are taking the role of Morpheux and suggesting to take the RED pill pretty much!

Get out while you can,,,,it's just a game and frankly, the problem i see with WoW is that people fear losing their character if they leave it at that, i dont play Wow or any MMO, i'm more of a single RPG type, but is there a way to cancel your account but keep your character somehow and maybe start back like a year after and upload your character?

that would pretty much solve some of the "ADDICTION",if people were able to let go and come back anytime

Re:on other word (1)

gx5000 (863863) | about 5 years ago | (#28865027)

Yes actually, they can bring it back up from backup... I had a friend that quit for over a year and got her 60 lvl toon back within a few weeks. Might be faster now who knows...they do a lot to keep clients...

/dnd Occupant disturbed enough (1)

Sinn3d (1594333) | about 5 years ago | (#28864925)

Hello, Ill be you counceler for tonight!

Sinn3d is set to Do Not Disturb: Occupant disturbed enough. Fighting Yogg-Saron, 78% health remaining, 19/25 raidmembers remaining.

Motivation (1)

elhondo (545224) | about 5 years ago | (#28864933)

I think someone just figured out a way to expense his wow account.

You know something is massively addicting (1)

defireman (1365467) | about 5 years ago | (#28864989)

When therapists have to go into the game to solicit customers. Smart move, but I have a feeling that they will be paid in WOW Gold and/or soulbound loot...

Only for the dwarves to get them hooked on e-booze (1)

Boetsj (1247700) | about 5 years ago | (#28864993)

"Care for a pint"?

I doubt MMO Addiction really exists (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865053)

People play WoW because they like playing WoW, not for some addicting need that your going to suddenly become physically ill if you don't play. I never heard of the term "mmo addiction" till after WoW came out. There was no Everquest addiction problem. Why? Because only geeks and nerds were playing it, and well the social norm is, is that these people are socially inept recluses who don't leave their parents basement or attic anyway.

It wasn't until WoW came out that "normal" people started getting into the MMO scene, and suddenly it becomes and addiction. People that lack time management skills is their own fault, not WoWs. WoW just gave them an avenue to illustate how much they lack the ability to manage their time.

Re:I doubt MMO Addiction really exists (2, Interesting)

beowulfcluster (603942) | about 5 years ago | (#28865177)

Did you never hear Everquest being referred to as 'Evercrack'?

Well I guess not if you never heard about mmo addiction before WoW. It certainly happened though.

Re:I doubt MMO Addiction really exists (3, Interesting)

RogueyWon (735973) | about 5 years ago | (#28865657)

Talk of addiction to MMOs long-predates WoW. Another reply to your comment has already made the "Evercrack" point.

My own beliefs on the issue are a bit of a middle ground. I believe MMO addiction does exist, but I do think it's far rarer than is genuinely supposed. The problem is that a lot of people who've never really been into computers have always had trouble distinguishing between gaming as a hobby and an addiction to gaming.

I'm a fairly heavy gaming hobbyist. Always have been, ever since the mid 1980s. In recent years, I've played two MMOs, Final Fantasy XI and WoW, and played them quite extensively, but I don't think I've ever been addicted. With FFXI, I played it fairly heavily for about two and a half years, then my interest in it just started to wane. At the most extreme peak, I was logging into the game five, sometimes six days a weel. Then suddenly, I couldn't really be bothered before. I dropped to playing twice a week, then once a week, then just logging in every couple of weeks. My account's not been touched now for over a year.

With World of Warcraft, I started playing it a couple of months after I stopped playing FFXI. I started off fairly casually - maybe one night during the week and a few hours on a Saturday. Then I dinged 80, started raiding and ended up back to a 5 or 6 days per week play cycle. Then my enthusiasm waned somewhat. Unlike with FFXI, I haven't stopped playing. As a matter of fact, I raid with a fairly decent raiding guild (Ulduar 25, including a couple of hard modes, on farm, for those who know what that means). So I log in to raid 3 nights a week and spend a bit of time on a Saturday morning making the gold I'll need to fund my raiding. The rest of the week, I do other stuff, both on and off the computer, during my leisure time. I've been playing fairly stably at this level for around 12 months now. Sure, there was a brief spike in my play-time when Wrath of the Lich King hit, but that was over after about 3 weeks.

The real reason I know I'm not addicted is that every year, I spend a couple of weeks away from home. I don't see my parents very often (they live at the other end of the country), but to make up with this, I go on holiday with them every year. And while I'm away, I have no WoW and only fairly limited net access. And it doesn't bother me.

However, there are cases I've seen at first hand of people who've become hopelessly addicted. When I was a student, a friend of mine failed his second year exams and crashed and burned out because of an addiction to Planetarion (basically multiplayer Excel). There's also a guy in my WoW guild who is logged in 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, but he's the exception rather than the rule.

I think as a general rule, if you have a personality that tends towards addiction, and no over-riding factors in your life (such as a job, or a family to support) that constrain the time you can spend in game, MMO addiction is probably something you'd want to be aware of. For everybody else, however, the risk is very slight.

Re:I doubt MMO Addiction really exists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28866369)

I re-started playing wow a month or two before WOTLK hit. At that point, knowing that the gear / gold reset was coming, I played the game recreationally, knowing that all time spent making more gold than I actually needed beyond a certain point was wasted because of the inflation that would hit when WOTLK came out. Also, all the gear I got, I knew would be replaced. At this point, all the hard TBC instances had been nerfed, so I could go in and see the content with my not-so-hardcore guild.

WOTLK came out and I played too much, because I wanted to get to 80. Then, I got to 80 and my playtime dropped off because the only thing left for me to do was do heroics occasionally with a guild. Rather than spending 4 hours trying to pug 2 heroics, I would spend 1 hour running one heroic with my guild. Eventually, I got geared, then basically quit the game to focus on school, and started up in the summer. I finished up my heroic gearing and got myself Naxx 25 geared, and am now having fun with occasional completion of dailys (45 minutes for me) maybe twice a week to keep the gold flowing just fast enough to keep raiding, with one 5 hour session once a week for Uludar 10. When I quit for a few months for school reasons, I never felt "WoW cravings" and know that my 6-8 hour a week WoW habit is not interfering with doing other things in my life. I have seen the consequences of WoW addiction through WoW; I know a guy who has 6-7 Naxx25 geared characters and is working on getting one of every class, while simultaneously upgrading his Naxx25 geared characters to Uludar geared. Insane.

This is a complete mystery to me. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865089)

Why did I read that as "The Rapists"? Is there some kind of connection I'm missing here?

Simple solution (0, Flamebait)

xednieht (1117791) | about 5 years ago | (#28865107)

Income tax on items and gold in the "game".

Monopoly, checkers, chess .... are games. WoW is an economic activity.

Add up the man-hours (or boy-hours) of all the players that would otherwise be engaged in other revenue producing activities. My guess is it has an impact on the real economy. WoW potatoes (like couch potato only glued to WoW instead of the couch) don't spend much sitting in front of the computer, but the time that is spent comes out of the same pool of real-world time.

Tax them, no more addiction.

I wonder who.. (1)

joelmax (1445613) | about 5 years ago | (#28865155)

I wonder who is going to rescue the therapists once they are fully addicted...

Speaking as an addict... (3, Interesting)

carbonautomoton (972777) | about 5 years ago | (#28865157)

I have to say that any addiction counselor with even a modicum of knowledge in their chosen field would know going into this that it's bollocks.

The fact is that you don't approach people who have a problem while they are in active addiction. Doing this is the equivalent of going to a bar to have a chat with an alcoholic. Beyond even that, no amount of pestering someone with an addiction is going to make them quit or even HELP them to quit. They simply have to come to the point that they personally are ready to take action and then you just have to make sure that the information on where they can go to get help is widely disseminated in order to ease that transition for them.

One thing that I'm not totally clear on here: Are these counselors responding to actual requests for aid or are they just hanging out and yelling to everyone that they're selling their wares? "I'll give you 10k to talk to me about your addiction...or at least be in my raid."

If they're just hanging out unsolicited and looking for people who want to talk about their problem...well it's good for them to BE there if someone wants to talk about it, sort of the way that you can pick up the phone and call an AA central office in your area when you feel that you may need help with THAT addiction, but I still don't feel that this is the best use of their time.

Maybe it would have been better for them to pressure Blizzard into including some kind of service for this. Where if someone feels that they need help with their addiction they can link to it through the Blizzard website or maybe even contact a counselor in-game. A bunch of counselors walking around unsolicited asking people if they'd like to talk about addiction though? That's a little too much like the Jehovah Witnesses for my tastes.

"Talked to therapist for hours" achievements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865337)

If you *really* wanna reach the folks who are addicted to WoW, maybe they should get Blizzard to make achievements based on how mauch time you've spent talking to the therapists (starting at several hours minimum, of course) :-)

Make the addict's addiction work for the goal rather than against it...

Re:Speaking as an addict... (1)

mqduck (232646) | about 5 years ago | (#28866503)

The fact is that you don't approach people who have a problem while they are in active addiction. Doing this is the equivalent of going to a bar to have a chat with an alcoholic.

I suspect this isn't for simple WoW addicts. Addiction is one thing, but some people can spend so much time in a fantasy that the line between fantasy and reality blurs for them, and they lose the ability to engage with people on other terms. Requiring that they meet you in the real world is requiring that they step back into reality before therapy can even begin.

Re:Speaking as an addict... (1)

mqduck (232646) | about 5 years ago | (#28866549)

some people can spend so much time in a fantasy that the line between fantasy and reality blurs for them

I should be been clearer when I wrote this. Simply spending enough time in a fantasy world doesn't guarantee that it'll blur with reality for them, and it probably won't for the large majority of people.

To twink or not to twink... (0, Offtopic)

SavTM (1594855) | about 5 years ago | (#28865183)

'Keep it Real' and suffer like the rest of the grinders or abuse your personal resources to obtain authority like the rest of the world?

I suggest joining the Horde.

Fatally flawed plan (1)

T.E.D. (34228) | about 5 years ago | (#28865251)

OK, so now who is going to log onto WoW to help therapists with their MMO addiction?

Perhaps this is just a secret plan to rid us of all those annoying therapists.

Let the Ganking Begin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865301)

If i ever see one, i will gank them for so many hours

Word of advice for them (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | about 5 years ago | (#28865321)

Don't try that on a PvP server, bucko!

"Your gold is welcome here." (4, Funny)

Povno (1460131) | about 5 years ago | (#28865335)

"Well Mr. Bloodhoof Ragescar, it would appear that our time is up for this week."

Trade window opens

"That will be 100 Gold please..."

"Quit trying to save me!" (1, Interesting)

ChaoticCoyote (195677) | about 5 years ago | (#28865469)

"Quit trying to save me! You're killing me!"

Such was the comment from my 18yo daughter, directed at the psychiatrist in the original article. And she hasn't played WoW in 6 months!

Daughter like father -- I, too, am sick and damned tied of people telling me what I can do with my own body and life.

Until a hundred years ago, a person could simply pick up and go somewhere to get away from meddlesome, prying, and officious egotists who assume they have the only "right" answers. You could go to the "frontier", and be free of such stupidity and arrogance. But now the frontier is gone, there is nowhere to escape, and society is eating itself to death as more "do-gooders" try to "save" us.


Goldshire's Therapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865479)

Goldshire Girl: "Hi my name is Tina and I will be your Therapist for the evening. Time for you to get laid."

Simple cure (4, Insightful)

javakah (932230) | about 5 years ago | (#28865587)

Just remember folks, if you do have a friend in WoW who is showing signs of heavy WoW addiction, there is a fairly simple way for you to help them.

Make them your 25 man raid leader.

This always seems to (fairly quickly) reduce the amount of time that they player in question is online playing WoW.

So that griefer is my therapist? (1)

popo (107611) | about 5 years ago | (#28865597)

I feel so much better now...

gnomes (1)

axl917 (1542205) | about 5 years ago | (#28865617)

What about counseling for us gnomes who are constantly picked on?

Fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28865745)

Where can I find the therapist trainer in SW? What's the endgame profession bonus? Hopefully some couch trinket that makes opponents lie down for an hour.

Next up, AdultFriendFinder discover WoW (1)

biscon (942763) | about 5 years ago | (#28865831)

Nelfs from Goldshire wanna have sex with you!

I would so laugh... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | about 5 years ago | (#28866039)

The thought behind this is to emulate the witchy mother that sometimes gets you so riled up you up
and leave the game to get out of the house... duplicating the effect inside the game so you logout... sort of...
I can just see it now...
doctor> you are not doing much with your life are you...
patient> wait a minute i just need to pick up one more of these herbs to get a new potion..
doctor>pick up herbs...?
patient> yeah they even have some cool hidden terms for herbs that mean something else..
doctor> how do you pick up ...these ...herbs?
patient> you just right click etc...

1 week later
doctor (soundign like a crack addict)>
        so when you go raiding in black temple, what do you really need as potions to make it through?
patient> i could help you dude, but I would have to start charging you for these consultations!

    ; )

Fantasy Worlds (3, Interesting)

mqduck (232646) | about 5 years ago | (#28866279)

My Abnormal Psych teacher tells a story about a man she used give therapy to. He had invented his own elaborate sci-fi fantasy world that he spent most of his time pretending to live in. He couldn't open up to her, since she wasn't part of that world. What finally had to happen is that she had him give her a rank in his fantasy's galactic empire or whatever.

The point she was making was that, if you want someone to open up to you, you can't question their reality.

Make them Roll Priests! (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 5 years ago | (#28866287)

I'll Rez you when you log off.

Therapists in wow (1)

Mysund (60792) | about 5 years ago | (#28866325)

Personally i would never take advice from a lvl42 ratadin therapist.

And how do you pay them? Runecloth, saronite, boost thru naxx10?

To gain just a minimum amount of respect and credability, they should be in purple iLvl226 average, and above 6k achievment points.

helping players is one thing (1)

Faaln (1004586) | about 5 years ago | (#28866385)

No therapists in my guild without at least a 3k gear score; if these guys are going to "help" players they may as well help with their guild progression ;)

Vent Required? (1)

Andruil (971627) | about 5 years ago | (#28866403)

Given the fact that communication is 55% Body Language, 38% Verbal, and 7% the actual words used, how does this work? Over the phone has got to be tough enough given that you are missing 55% of communication. Perhaps they'll use vent?

What is left to be addicted to? (1)

petrus4 (213815) | about 5 years ago | (#28866451)

If you're hooked on the Arena, then that I might understand, but there's really nothing else left.

The levelling game? Dead.
Twinking in battlegrounds? Dead.
Doing 5 mans in anything but end-game instances? Dead.

So what is a WoW addict these days, addicted to?

I don't think this will work very well. (1)

Clomer (644284) | about 5 years ago | (#28866493)

There are multiple issues that the therapists will have to overcome before they can be reasonably effective at this. They've already acknowledged 1 of them with the line quoted in the summary: "Of course one problem we're going to have to overcome is that while a psychiatrist may excel in what they do in the real world, they're probably not going to be very good at playing World of Warcraft." Related to this, and a challenge that they may not yet be aware of, is the fact that there are over 200 realms in North America alone and they have to be on the same realm as the person they are trying to help. The quoted line indicates that they are planning on actually playing the game with the addicted players, and that means that they will need a level 80 character on each and every realm that one of their patients plays on. That's a lot of time spent leveling.

If the person they are trying to help hasn't already agreed to meet with them, they aren't going to get very far. Unsolicited attempts in-game will be seen about as favorably as gold spammers and will get the /ignore. If the therapists persist and attempt to get around the /ignore (by using other characters or whatever), then they cross the line of what is acceptable under the game's Terms of Use and may find their accounts suspended if their target decides to report them to a GM. Additionally, if they attempt to hire a power-leveling service to get their therapist characters up to 80, they'll quickly find that to be very much against the rules - I've heard of cases of permanent bans with no warning for people caught doing that.

In short, I forsee this endeavor falling flat. I hope they aren't spending any taxpayer money on it.

From your Therapist: (1)

TheGrapeApe (833505) | about 5 years ago | (#28866579)

WTF!!! We had a raid last night, where were you?

One addiction for another. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28866623)

My WoW counselor's solution was heroin. The good news is I haven't played wow in 3 months... The bad news is I still haven't left the house for 3 months. Probably should have just stuck with the wow.

Yeah, so... (1)

Thorkull (597748) | about 5 years ago | (#28866633)

... if you're a WoW addict with mulitple level 80s and full tier 8 gear on all of them, would you listen to some level 1 nub trying to counsel you to quit?

In other news WoW Therapist Class Nerfed. (1)

neo (4625) | about 5 years ago | (#28866901)

WoW Patch Announcement:

"The new Therapist Class was simply too powerful. We had no idea that these new powers like 'chat', 'counsel', and 'a/s/l' were so dangerous. This goes beyond normal player killing behaviors to final death where players actually have their accounts deactivated. Worse yet, it appears as if the player has deleted their own accounts which makes it very hard to uncover the bug. We have taken major steps such at removing the Couch item and the entire Freudian skill tree. Players who were affected have had their accounts automatically reactivated with a free years subscription and a personal account representative has been sent to their homes to help them get back online."

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